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Xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.12 06:47:00 -
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Looking for bankers, financiers and the like IRL.
Execuse me if this is double post and/or I'm a lagger. (yeah I know, I know.)
Anyway, seriously, CCP is looking for you MD elites. Don't you guys have a word or two to drop there, especially when CCP is to hand you a *Megaphone* ?
Plus, I suppose MD is where that sticky should be posted from the first place. Well, at least, I can clearly see how CCP thinks of MD. |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.12 06:59:00 -
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Why would you assume a non-trivial percentage of the "MD elites" have a banking/financial background in real-life ?
For instance, I'm trained as an engineer, from what I remember Shar said he's a priest, and I don't recall what others have said what they work (or if they said it at all), but I don't recall many claiming to work in a related sector (I think there were some side-remarks from some, but to be honest, I can't remember any names). On the other hand, I know several other people that play EVE without ever bothering to visit MD (and not doing much MD-related in-game either) that are (or were) employed in the banking/financial sector.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.05.12 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T from what I remember Shar said he's a priest,
Being a minister (not priest) doesn't preclude any other professional skills or activity. Heck, I would argue that even the priesthood needs financial minded types to protect and harness what earthly riches are entrusted to its care. Might I also add: I was something else before the ministry. (I actually started out as a lowly accounting clerk having received such training from the Job Corps.)
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Xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.12 09:29:00 -
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Well, at least the way I see it, this is where isk talks, and talk about isk is talked about. IRL financial ppl would just stay away from anything related to money since they are too fed up with it, but some might not have been that successful to resist the urge to swing their second nature after all.
If you do one thing long enough, it just sticks, y'know. So that's why I double-linked the post, in case those some have missed it. No other serious thoughts were given to it.
Meanwhile, I'd like to CCP to take a better look into this gory section of their forum for their own good.
Companies needs to sell stories these days. And the closer those stories get to you, the better they are. Look around. Those names that pops up in ur head in no time disguise themselves with your neighbor; "guys like you", "girls like me", and etc.
I see CCP is trying to come up w/ some uninspiring stories about fictitious figures such as "Jamyl Sarum" from now and then, and that does not appeal that much after all. (In fact, that seems to ridicule me b4 my face. Ok, it might be just me, but what am I? a kindergarten kid?)
Why don't they instead reiterate relations with their users in EVEish way to give you a deeper fantasy of being a part of this, big messed-up called EVE?
Let's picture this; in a press interview, an infamous eve figure "Akita T" (Just for an example. If you don't like it, hand yer mic to me. I'll have a word or two with them. ) appears with Dr. Eyjo Gu=mundsson, and has nice little chat about how isk runs EVE.
Wounldn't it be x1000 times cooler than someone unknown comes in the interview? Is that really that much of matter to be an IRL financial person after all that?
I don't know about you, but that will surely seize my eyes for at least a bit. Hope you get my point.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.05.12 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 12/05/2010 10:17:16
Originally by: Xylopia Let's picture this; in a press interview, an infamous eve figure "Akita T" (Just for an example. If you don't like it, hand yer mic to me. I'll have a word or two with them. ) appears with Dr. Eyjo Gu=mundsson, and has nice little chat about how isk runs EVE.
+1 - would pay to read a transcript of that "nice" "little" "chat"
edit: doing free advertising for some company is stupid, hardly something desirable
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Rhivre
Caldari TarNec
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Posted - 2010.05.12 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Akita T from what I remember Shar said he's a priest,
Being a minister (not priest) doesn't preclude any other professional skills or activity. Heck, I would argue that even the priesthood needs financial minded types to protect and harness what earthly riches are entrusted to its care. Might I also add: I was something else before the ministry. (I actually started out as a lowly accounting clerk having received such training from the Job Corps.)
I wonder how many other theological / ordained / training to be ordained types there are lurking in MD...with Shar, thats 3 that I know of :o
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.05.12 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rhivre
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Akita T from what I remember Shar said he's a priest,
Being a minister (not priest) doesn't preclude any other professional skills or activity. Heck, I would argue that even the priesthood needs financial minded types to protect and harness what earthly riches are entrusted to its care. Might I also add: I was something else before the ministry. (I actually started out as a lowly accounting clerk having received such training from the Job Corps.)
I wonder how many other theological / ordained / training to be ordained types there are lurking in MD...with Shar, thats 3 that I know of :o
I work on the history of theology from time to time but am definitely not heading for ordination. Damnation, perhaps ...
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Marcus Baltar
Savaran Zhayedan Spah
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Posted - 2010.05.12 12:47:00 -
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Possibly related to this (OP linked) thread;
<sarcasm>This is new!</sarcasm> --
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.05.12 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: SencneS on 12/05/2010 13:23:12 Blank post edit :)
For the longest time I've always taken it to heart that EVE is not like Real Life, and you have to work on a completely different set of rules and even a slightly altered point of view for anything to work in EVE.
If they are wanting an EVE Financial interview they need look no more then the top 2% wealthiest players. Those people may not be Bankers, Accountants, Financial minded in real life but they sure are successful in EVE. I believe I have a good mind to actually be one of those people, I'm also not rich but I'm certainly not poor or even hurting in RL, but why would I want to take one of the most stressful boring mundane jobs you can have when I qualify for much more personally rewarding jobs.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2010.05.12 14:27:00 -
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I am absolutely shocked to find out Shar is a minister. I can't imagine what goes on in the confession booth or how long it has been since someone was brave enough to wander into one...
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.05.12 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson I am absolutely shocked to find out Shar is a minister. I can't imagine what goes on in the confession booth or how long it has been since someone was brave enough to wander into one...
I'm guessing that being a freemason probably excludes him from being a Catholic priest. But the idea of Shar handing out penances is pretty terrifying .
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.12 14:41:00 -
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I'd expect most of us to be engineers IRL (myself included). All these market-related spreadsheets are way too complicated for most economics professionals.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.12 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 12/05/2010 14:44:28
Originally by: Shar Tegral Being a minister (not priest)
I know it's a bit off-topic, but what's the difference ? Minister, pastor, priest, chaplain, reverend, rabi, imam... aren't all of those basically the same (except the religion or the subdenomination of the religion involved) ?
Originally by: Xylopia Let's picture this; in a press interview, an infamous eve figure "Akita T" (Just for an example. If you don't like it, hand yer mic to me. I'll have a word or two with them. ) appears with Dr. Eyjo Gu=mundsson, and has nice little chat about how isk runs EVE.
I'd settle for DocEG showing up over in MD every now and then and having a "chat" in thread form. We've all been inviting him over here for ages, and he hasn't bothered to even say "thanks, but no thanks". Problem is, CCP doesn't want tough questions asked or interesting discussions, they only want a face (and corresponding CV) to go with their PR drive, nothing more. The LESS the people interviewed know about how EVE really ticks, and the more impressive their RL resume sounds, the better.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.12 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Barbicane I'd expect most of us to be engineers IRL (myself included). All these market-related spreadsheets are way too complicated for most economics professionals.
I'm just a PhD Candidate in information systems, not in economics, but I once wrote a textbook on Excel.
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Xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.12 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS If they are wanting an EVE Financial interview they need look no more then the top 2% wealthiest players. Those people may not be Bankers, Accountants, Financial minded in real life but they sure are successful in EVE.
More likely, they need to talk to someone with colorful character and experience of swimming in s***load of iskies, rather than one freshly sieved out of the subscription pool.
Originally by: Akita T CCP doesn't want tough questions asked or interesting discussions, they only want a face (and corresponding CV) to go with their PR drive, nothing more. The LESS the people interviewed know about how EVE really ticks, and the more impressive their RL resume sounds, the better.
CCP really needs to reach non-EVErs inside-out, not the other way around. Ok, talking to a IRL financial person from COAD could put some make-up on their face, but that's like a granma puts some lipstick on her chick.
Who would really fall for that other than drunken deadbeats in the dark corner of a bar? And what would eventually happen when they become sober? |
Xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.12 16:03:00 -
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@SencneS, thank you for letting Hexxx know of that thread. As soon as I see it, Hexxx and Akita come in my mind, and I wonder if they'd like to participate.
Since Hexxx posts his interest of being an interviewee, I think my job is done. Whether CCP goes with him or not isn't something I can touch, but if you think my clumsy post in GD could make some difference, let me know. I'll do what I can. |
SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.05.12 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Xylopia @SencneS, thank you for letting Hexxx know of that thread. As soon as I see it, Hexxx and Akita come in my mind, and I wonder if they'd like to participate.
Since Hexxx posts his interest of being an interviewee, I think my job is done. Whether CCP goes with him or not isn't something I can touch, but if you think my clumsy post in GD could make some difference, let me know. I'll do what I can.
You could post, it wouldn't hurt, either one of those two I have no issue with at least representing MD, and pointing out flaws in systems within EVE. But I somewhat doubt that is what they are really looking for. The impression I get is a puff piece, if it was serious and DEV really are going to pick the brain of people they wouldn't be asking for real life experience.
Both are very different styles so it would actually be good to have both interviewed, Hexxx is a lot of theory and design, where is Akita is more number based and application/projection. So really push em both :)
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.05.12 16:53:00 -
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Well I posted on that thread early on (Page 2) mostly because no matter how bitter I sound (or am) there is no reason to treat every CCP offer/activity with suspicion.
I'll also add that I did an email interview last night - nothing to do with finance but I suspect my posting on that thread was part of why I was approached myself.
So, it never hurts. Who knows, it might help.
(Akita - I'm not hung up on denomination as I was baptized Catholic as a child, raised Baptist/Methodist, and ordained Lutheran. However the priesthood requires certain sacrifices that I am most happy that I have not had to make. I would not want to be a priest right now - to have to bear such shame(s) would be hard patch to hoe.)
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.13 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS The impression I get is a puff piece.
True. Nevertheless, however slight the impression is, it will add up in the end. Plus that impression is not for the peeps like you to get high. Its for newcomers to get interested.
Originally by: SencneS Both are very different styles so it would actually be good to have both interviewed, Hexxx is a lot of theory and design, where is Akita is more number based and application/projection. So really push em both :)
One says yes, and another says no. |
SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.05.13 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Xylopia
Originally by: SencneS The impression I get is a puff piece.
True. Nevertheless, however slight the impression is, it will add up in the end. Plus that impression is not for the old MD vets like you to get high. Its for newcomers to get interested.
Originally by: SencneS Both are very different styles so it would actually be good to have both interviewed, Hexxx is a lot of theory and design, where is Akita is more number based and application/projection. So really push em both :)
One says yes, and another says no.
I have no problems with incoming, but in the grand scale of things I'd rather they toss the time and effort into identifying issues with the financial sector of EVE then mealy talking about the relationship between RL and EVE. Because the relationship is thin at best :)
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Spooks'em
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T ... I'm trained as an engineer....
I KNEW IT! ...not really but I suspected it for a long time(between the methodical methodology, the desire to point out flaws, and the, often bitter, cynicism it fits) but don't know if it had been stated elsewhere.
Also, Shar a minister? Go figure. |
Xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.13 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS For the longest time I've always taken it to heart that EVE is not like Real Life, and you have to work on a completely different set of rules and even a slightly altered point of view for anything to work in EVE.
Originally by: SencneS Because the relationship is thin at best.
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.05.13 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Brock Nelson I am absolutely shocked to find out Shar is a minister. I can't imagine what goes on in the confession booth or how long it has been since someone was brave enough to wander into one...
I'm guessing that being a freemason probably excludes him from being a Catholic priest. But the idea of Shar handing out penances is pretty terrifying .
LOL I'd definitely steer clear of the confessional if he were my priest/minister ;)
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Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.13 21:36:00 -
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There is also the case of people like myself, who work in the sector (indirectly) and take their ethics contract seriously. This is doubly important when you're a Systems Admin.
Sorry, but cannot get involved directly in publicity like that. Did it once before, got far too wild and dropped out as soon as things calmed down.
I'm here to have fun, and learn better how markets work. That way when I retire, I'll have a better footing when dealing with the RL market...
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.05.13 22:42:00 -
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You know, I don't know which item disturbs my calm the most: 1 - Freemasonry as auto-exclusionary standard for anything 2 - The level of imagined trepidation of me & confessionals/penance. 3 - Having EON Magazine call me an "old dear" on facebook. Yeah... old dear wins by a landslide.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Rhivre
Caldari TarNec
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Posted - 2010.05.13 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
You know, I don't know which item disturbs my calm the most: 1 - Freemasonry as auto-exclusionary standard for anything 2 - The level of imagined trepidation of me & confessionals/penance. 3 - Having EON Magazine call me an "old dear" on facebook. Yeah... old dear wins by a landslide.
I would agree Shar. I cannot imagine anyone describing you as an old dear..at least not within hearing / internet range of you!
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Caleb Ayrania
Gallente TarNec
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Posted - 2010.05.13 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Well I posted on that thread early on (Page 2) mostly because no matter how bitter I sound (or am) there is no reason to treat every CCP offer/activity with suspicion.
I'll also add that I did an email interview last night - nothing to do with finance but I suspect my posting on that thread was part of why I was approached myself.
So, it never hurts. Who knows, it might help.
(Akita - I'm not hung up on denomination as I was baptized Catholic as a child, raised Baptist/Methodist, and ordained Lutheran. However the priesthood requires certain sacrifices that I am most happy that I have not had to make. I would not want to be a priest right now - to have to bear such shame(s) would be hard patch to hoe.)
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