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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku
Originally by: "Ankhesentapemkah" With enough digging, enough can be found about everyone.
Anyway, I don't feel the need to comment about the particular accusations this time either, because they are irrelevant and meaningless.
Sure sounds like she was not only refraining from denying it, but trying to excuse it.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.13 19:31:00 -
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[19:30:50] Ankhesentapemkah > I'l looking at a lawsuit to EVE tribune now tbh.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 19:38:00 -
[63]
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.05.13 20:52:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 13/05/2010 20:51:53 Bump so everyone will know the truth about this candidate
Vote for Ankhesentapemkah = RUIN THE GAME WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE!!
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Zarch AlDain
GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.05.13 21:07:00 -
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Eve Tribune writers have bias, it's unavoidable really. We also get accused of far more bias than we really have, but that's a different story!
That bias is why we have always offered anyone who disagrees with one of our articles the opportunity to write a counterpoint. (Obviously with the understanding that they need to raise genuine points/demonstrate sources/be reasonably well written/etc). That will be published and the person who writes it will be paid at the same rates as our writers.
That offer has never been taken up.
When offering interviews to all CSM Candidates (which will still include Ankh should she decide to run for future CSMs and be willing to be interviewed - which I will fully understand if she does not) I try to be as neutral/positive as possible. In fact you can see my interview with her in last week's issue.
Other writers though are also free to hold and expose their own opinions, and in this case the majority of our editorial staff agreed with the opinion of the writer so it has also been adopted as the Tribune's position.
Anyone expecting impartiality from newspapers has clearly never read one. We just finished an election in the UK and the level of bias in our papers was incredible. It's human nature when you believe something to try and get others to believe it too.
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2010.05.13 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zarch AlDain Eve Tribune writers have bias, it's unavoidable really. We also get accused of far more bias than we really have, but that's a different story!
That bias is why we have always offered anyone who disagrees with one of our articles the opportunity to write a counterpoint. (Obviously with the understanding that they need to raise genuine points/demonstrate sources/be reasonably well written/etc). That will be published and the person who writes it will be paid at the same rates as our writers.
That offer has never been taken up.
I wanted to go on the record as confirming that this is true. Some "interesting" comments were made about me in the context of "Larkgate". I was contacted and offered an opportunity to offer any sort of rebutal I thought was appropriate in response. I started to respond, had some RL distractions and by the time I could get back to it I realized I'd just as soon let the whole matter pass.
I have no doubt that the "Tribune" would be glad to offer Ank a chance to respond to the editorial. If she is upset I think she'd be better off exploring the possibility of creating a clever and insightful rebutal to the editorial instead of insinuating she is pursuing the possibility of justice in the Dutch courts. (/me wonders if the trial would be held in Jita)
The Eve Tribune is an amazing resource to the Eve comminity. An editorial related to CSM elections seems totally consistent with what I would expect from our best "Space Paper".
I can understand how someone that supports Ank might dissagree with the editorial but how they can then twist that into an attack on the Tribune's integrity eludes me.
To the folks that complain that this editorial somehow is inconsistent with a great newspaper all I can say is "what about political editorials in a newspaper" do you not undertand?
Issler Dainze Just renewed her virtual subscription to the Eve Tribune for life!
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 22:06:00 -
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Yep. I already offered, in this thread, to retract anything that Ank can actually show is untrue. It seems unlikely, as all the quotes were either from Ank's own posts on EVE-O or from chats whose participants have verified their accuracy. At best it seems that her response might be along the lines of her fans'.
That being said, if Ank can actually muster a cogent, coherent response we'll be happy to publish it and pay her for her time.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.05.13 22:15:00 -
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Eve tribune is indeed a great resource for the eve community. Nevertheless this article was horrible. (I gave more of an analysis of why the article stunk in the comment section of the article itself. And no I do not like Ank.) Eve trib is great for articles on game mechanics, tactics and strategy. But often the writers disdain for eve pilots who do things other than pvp is a bit overbearing.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Gith Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.13 22:23:00 -
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While i think CSM is a sham, if there is one single candidate that you should NOT vote for, it is most definatly Ankhesentapemkah.
Not only because she's probably born in kenya, but also because of the pure sleazy methods she has used to harvest votes.
Telling mission runners that voting for her would stop lvl4 missions being moved to lowsec, for example.
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Aliariam
Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.13 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
Originally by: Malcanis
It says that he's not a guy who supports someone who abuses the mother of a disabled child.
By the way, can I get a cite for that? If it's true it belongs in the article.
Happy to confirm that the chat logs are accurate. Sadly I don't have the originals, just what I copied into an email, however everything from when Ankh first spoke in corp chat to when the conversation turned back to a discussion of the sorry state of the CVA jump bridge network is there. Feel free to PM me in game if you need further info. |
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.05.13 23:09:00 -
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Aliariam
I just wanted to say that although I don't think eve trib did a good job on this article that doesn't mean I think what ank said was in any way acceptable. It was completly out of line and standing alone is good enough reason to not vote for her. I think it indeed shows she does not care about the people flying the pixel ships, and given her claims in that regard, that is really eyeopening. I hope you don't let people who make comments like that get you down, and I wish you the best.
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Resonanza
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Posted - 2010.05.14 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Resonanza on 14/05/2010 08:46:28 Edited by: Resonanza on 14/05/2010 08:45:46
Originally by: Terminal Insanity Not only because she's probably born in kenya[...]
Do you have a problem with ppl born outside of teh US, let alone Kenya? Do i smell racism there?
Quote: Telling mission runners that voting for her would stop lvl4 missions being moved to lowsec, for example.
Well all CSM farm votes more or less in the same manner. You forgot to mention those PvP-orientated CSM who really want level 4 mission removed from highsec empire and all PvE with that:
Originally by: Corbeau Lenoir Highsec rebalancing
Level4 highsec missions are one big mistake. CCP should move them to lowsec or reduce mission rewards.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308261
So stop telling and spreading lies and crap here. The majority of CSM are PvP only players, who care a **** about us PvE players. But we are the majority of EvE players and we want to be heard as well. Ankh is our candidate. Of you don't agree with her opinions about EvE, that's fine. But personal attacks and discrediting someone, just before you detest the opion of that person, that is a low blow.
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Zarch AlDain
GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.05.14 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Zarch AlDain on 14/05/2010 10:04:43 Actually there are a number of "carebear" candidates out there and this is the only one Tribune has run a negative article about.
http://match.eve-csm.com/ will allow you to find candidates who share your point of view on many matters or if you read the interviews run on Eve Tribune over the last few weeks you can see that a number of those are not interested in PvP.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.14 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto [19:30:50] Ankhesentapemkah > I'l looking at a lawsuit to EVE tribune now tbh.
I totally hope she does this.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.14 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto [19:30:50] Ankhesentapemkah > I'l looking at a lawsuit to EVE tribune now tbh.
I totally hope she does this.
Same, it would be hilarious. I'd be up for donating to get a decent defence (defense?) lawyer.
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Virtuozzo
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.14 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kuluskitur
And under Dutch law, Eva has been an 'unpaid employee', for which a contract of employment is not a requirement.
I do apologise, but under Dutch law that is not correct. An unpaid employee, regardless of a format of 0 hour or ad hoc, has a contract, this is required by law to protect the employee. A volunteer has an agreement. The difference between these formats may often escape observation, is very often mostly irrelevant to the person in question, but constitutes quite a tangible difference to the employer since it is the employer which has to set aside good old monies for a range of legally required purposes (insurance, for one, pension fund, andsoforth).
Keep in mind the legal status of employee in the Netherlands, in fact in most countries of the EU, something which does not apply to a volunteer status.
I don't particularly care for all the drama, and I must admit, I have seen my share of c.v.'s with far stranger collusions, in the range of a few dozen a year, but please note the difference between these formats.
Technically, factually, or even principally, Ankh should not have listed her activities as employment.
Practically, it is not uncommon to see people make mistakes like these, and quite often it is found that even though the actions reside in the category of volunteer work they do form a base of experience. Sometimes even expertise.
Whether this was the case, constituted relevance or the absence of, that was up to her employer when validating the c.v. prior to engaging in contract. This is irrelevant for the debate here.
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Stovo kor
Firebird Squadron
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Posted - 2010.05.14 13:23:00 -
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No matter what this Ank characters flaws the Tribune going out of its way to discredit her kinda made me cringe
Maybe I'm hoping a bit much from an in-game publication, but seems like the editor saw some easy prey & decided to get in on some "cheap action" Possibly the lure was too great.
I mean seriously how much of a threat is she even with outrageous ideas. Isn't there voting involved in CSM ? So like seriously, since the ideas are not gonna get traction and CCP definitely won't get swayed with stuff like PVP is bad .... why systematically tear her apart Found some easy prey and suddenly everyone is at their trolling best feeding off themselves Weak sauce
To put it in context, there have been many bad candidates before. I even recon some of them still get back in despite that due to political backing /e-fame ? Based on the attendance records and actual contribution seems that a few others enjoy a free ride & that seems like quite the travesty I guess that's much "tougher topic' so no need for tribune to go out of its way to ruffle feathers
Maybe If you really want to make some "public service announcement" the editor would consider something not so opportunistic & don't stoop to bashing someone who is already down
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.14 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Stovo kor
No matter what this Ank characters flaws the Tribune going out of its way to discredit her kinda made me cringe
So, even if her character flaws are obvious and proven by her own words expressing her own views, posted on her own account... it was wrong to point them out and represents some sort of extreme effort on our part. Seriously?
Originally by: Stovo kor but seems like the editor saw some easy prey & decided to get in on some "cheap action"
The Victimology nonsense does nobody any good. What we saw was a candidate manifestly unsuited for a position on the CSM, so we gathered the facts and wrote the piece. You seem to agree with it. If she was a strong candidate then we wouldn't have had "easy prey", now would we?
Originally by: Stovo kor
I mean seriously how much of a threat is she even with outrageous ideas.
It's fairly obvious, actually. We can have a CSM with as many capable, knowledgeable people as possible, able to speak intelligently and constructively about all aspects of the game. Or we can have some of those folks and some others whose very presence has to be neutralized and who would do real damage to the game if they were able to implement their views unfettered by opposition. When faced with the option between those who can contribute and those who can only hinder, why would you argue that we should have someone who hinders the process because, hey, they can be outvoted anyways?
Originally by: Stovo kor
To put it in context, there have been many bad candidates before.
No. To put it in context while there are candidates who aren't great or who are even bad, none approaches the level of Ank. Which yet again, is why she's unsuitable for the CSM and why even you admit that she's "easy prey".
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T'Amber
www.shipsofeve.com
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Posted - 2010.05.14 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Terminal InsanityTelling mission runners that voting for her would stop lvl4 missions being moved to lowsec, for example. [/quote
Did I miss a patch note?? Why would they move level 4s to lowsec?
On another note, while all this is extremely interesting its not to my taste; everyone has something in their past that the public can pull apart and torment them with and/or expressed extremely stupid things and changed their mind about it later. All these comments have the potential to significantly boosting her ratings and chances of getting a full seat as she'd probably not have had so much limelight with so many great candidates this round; this is a game where people love tears and I hope for your sake that karma is looking the other way when people are selecting someone to vote for.
-T'amber
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.14 15:44:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Resonanza
Originally by: Terminal Insanity Not only because she's probably born in kenya[...]
Do you have a problem with ppl born outside of teh US, let alone Kenya? Do i smell racism there?
It's an obvious joke. Read up on the original "born in Kenya" debate here
Originally by: Resonanza So stop telling and spreading lies and crap here. The majority of CSM are PvP only players, who care a **** about us PvE players. But we are the majority of EvE players and we want to be heard as well. Ankh is our candidate.
There are very, very few people in Eve rich enough to be PvP only players, unless you think ratting or missioning with an alt is PvP.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.14 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Resonanza
Originally by: Terminal Insanity Not only because she's probably born in kenya[...]
Do you have a problem with ppl born outside of teh US, let alone Kenya? Do i smell racism there?
It's an obvious joke. Read up on the original "born in Kenya" debate here
No use arguing with him the guy has as much humour as the pieces of roten shark they feed you in Iceland.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.14 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz No use arguing with him the guy has as much humour as the pieces of roten shark they feed you in Iceland.
I've done a lot of internet arguing. A surprisingly large amount was done with the knowledge that I didn't have a hope of changing the mind of the person I was directly arguing against. It's done for the benefit of onlookers, who usually aren't nearly as pigheaded as the people who are actually willing to spend their time yelling at people they'll never meet about issues that don't really matter.
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Stovo kor
Firebird Squadron
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Posted - 2010.05.15 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Stovo kor
No matter what this Ank characters flaws the Tribune going out of its way to discredit her kinda made me cringe
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
So, even if her character flaws are obvious and proven by her own words expressing her own views, posted on her own account... it was wrong to point them out and represents some sort of extreme effort on our part. Seriously?
There is already a juicy thread on that topic of exposing her various flaws So why does a 'newspaper? ' need to jump on the bandwagon and crucify her. Seems opportunistic from a neutral perspective I mean the same publication is running interviews with CSM candidates If said publication was so concerned about policing 'weak' CSM candidates or whatever it would have done so on a regular basis towards other characters that don't perform.
Originally by: Stovo kor but seems like the editor saw some easy prey & decided to get in on some "cheap action"
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
The Victimology nonsense does nobody any good. What we saw was a candidate manifestly unsuited for a position on the CSM, so we gathered the facts and wrote the piece. You seem to agree with it. If she was a strong candidate then we wouldn't have had "easy prey", now would we?
I am opposed to Ank's views for the most part. I support PVP / suicide ganking and all other kind of 'bad' things that make EVE the sandbox it is. But it doesn't change the fact she is expressing an opinion. This opinion might be shared by many in the 'Carebears & Co' crowd Just cause the PVP /0.0 crowd is more vocal on the forums should not be an excuse to go full swing characters assassination on Ank from a newspaper
Originally by: Stovo kor
I mean seriously how much of a threat is she even with outrageous ideas.
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
It's fairly obvious, actually. We can have a CSM with as many capable, knowledgeable people as possible, able to speak intelligently and constructively about all aspects of the game. Or we can have some of those folks and some others whose very presence has to be neutralized and who would do real damage to the game if they were able to implement their views unfettered by opposition. When faced with the option between those who can contribute and those who can only hinder, why would you argue that we should have someone who hinders the process because, hey, they can be outvoted anyways?
Even if Anks views are out there isn't EVE a sandbox that caters to various play styles and isn't CSM a democratic process Let it run its course. CCP is not going to jeopardize the core tenants of its sandbox game.
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
Or we can have some of those folks and some others whose very presence has to be neutralized and who would do real damage to the game if they were able to implement their views unfettered by opposition.
CCP is under no obligation to implementation ideas from this CSM conduit. So unfettered and real damage don't come into the picture. CSM is an ingenious way to get the playerbase vested and involved. Its also partial PR exercise. But don't be under any illusion. CCP has its own priority Q
Hindering or alternate views Is it a group of people that are infallible and their way is the only way. Even good ideas have unforeseen circumstances If CSM is about catering to one segment that is beyond reproach then I guess thats hindering.
Originally by: Stovo kor
To put it in context, there have been many bad candidates before.
No. To put it in context while there are candidates who aren't great or who are even bad, none approaches the level of Ank. Which yet again, is why she's unsuitable for the CSM and why even you admit that she's "easy prey".
Some CSM members not contributing once elected. Isn't that more fail ? Those are "touchy' subjects so lets go full swing and bash a easy prey
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.15 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Stovo kor There is already a juicy thread on that topic of exposing her various flaws
So? Your argument is essentially a claim that since it's news, we shouldn't comment on it. And of course the point wasn't that the rest of the candidates are perfect, but that Ank is clearly unsuitable for a position on the CSM, for reasons detailed at length.
Originally by: Stovo kor
But it doesn't change the fact she is expressing an opinion.
"But it's only my opinion!" is the dodge of those who can't back up their claims. So what if her views are her opinions? Her opinions show she's not a suitable candidate for the CSM. Nor, should I add, are quoting her own words "character assassination". If the things she's said reflect so poorly on her, does that speak to the nature of her views, or the wrongness in pointing out her views?
Originally by: Stovo kor
I mean seriously how much of a threat is she even with outrageous ideas.
If she got her ideas implemented? She'd ruin the game. Even if she can't, she'd take up a CSM spot which could be filled by someone who can actually do some good and CSM members will have to counteract her influence. Like I just said and you just quoted.
Originally by: Stovo kor Even if Anks views are out there isn't EVE a sandbox that caters to various play styles and isn't CSM a democratic process
Nobody, at all, has said we should eliminate or hobble PvE. Nobody is saying she's unsuitable for the CSM because she's a bear, but because of her lack of knowledge about the game, venomous hatred for PvP'ers, etc... (in other words, you're saying someone should be entitled to her own opinion when that opinion is that nobody else should be entitled to their own opinions). And I'm not sure exactly what you think democracy means. It doesn't mean that candidates can run for positions without being challenged or that voters can't make mistakes.
Originally by: Stovo kor
Some CSM members not contributing once elected. Isn't that more fail ?
No. A CSM member who is actively bad is worse than an empty chair. I would, in fact, vote for an empty chair before I'd vote for Ank.
Originally by: Stovo kor
Those are "touchy' subjects so lets go full swing and bash a easy prey
Again, if she's such "easy prey" that shows she's not a good candidate. People wouldn't have to be complaining about the fact that it's so easy to point out her flaws if she was a strong candidate. "she's a weak candidate, so don't point out how weak a candidate she is" is simply not persuasive. |
Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae
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Posted - 2010.05.15 07:05:00 -
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Confirming that quotation is a form of character assassination.
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Ecatherina W
Gallente AAA.FSI Holding Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.15 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku
OK, I've heard from a few Europeans now that Ankh's CV is fine. Perhaps this is because I'm an American, but as a general rule we don't cite part-time volunteer experience as part of the employment history, but rather as part of a miscellaneous experience section. So my first problem in particular with that entry is that it suggests that it was a full-time job, not part-time volunteer work. This appears inaccurate, but I can see how there might be different conventions in Europe. If I can get more confirmation that things are done differently on the other side of the pond, and Dutch/European CVs include part-time volunteer work as part of the employment section without some kind of differentiation, as Ankh does, then I'll gladly post a correction.
My second problem, which perhaps I should have made more clear, is that Ankh was not hired by CCP--i.e., the award-winning company which has developed a highly successful MMO--but rather elected by the player base--i.e., people who pretend to fly internet spaceships. This strikes me as fundamentally misleading, and something that cannot be easily explained away by different cultural conventions for CVs.
Danes don't. I know a lot about CVs. Listing CCP as a job for a CSM is ... embellishing. ***** Empress of the Multiverse *****
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Xutech
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Posted - 2010.05.16 03:14:00 -
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If I eat at McDonalds, do I have experience working for McDonalds?
If I live in a house, can I offer to build or design them?
How many other claims of hers are based around the same spurious logic that visiting CCP as a guest is the equivalent of at least a year of experience working for that company, having been successful against other applicants whose CVs are of a similar, accredited quality?
The fact that she is willing to take advantage of the ignorance of potential employers to gain a job requiring experience and training speaks volumes about her attitude to any role she is given.
It is not the size of the details upon which she lied, or even about what subject. It is the fact that she is happy to lie in her life to people who trust her to act responsibly.
If she can risk the success of one business by lying, why should we trust her to give a week of advice, paid, to CCP?.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.16 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Confirming that quotation is a form of character assassination.
Well, obviously, since it's her own words that reflect poorly on her own character, it's not character assassination. It's character suicide. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain! |
AterraX
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.16 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Edited by: Miyamoto Isoruku on 13/05/2010 19:24:31 Edited by: Miyamoto Isoruku on 13/05/2010 19:23:48
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 13/05/2010 19:16:03
Originally by: Malcanis
It says that he's not a guy who supports someone who abuses the mother of a disabled child.
By the way, can I get a cite for that? If it's true it belongs in the article.
Bottom of this, and top of the next post. Insert standard disclaimer about how chatlogs may be forged, etc. But near as I can tell Ankh never denied making that statement. Her only response (that I found) was the following:
Originally by: "Ankhesentapemkah" For those that whine about it, I'd like a copy of all their EVE chat logs in my mail. Won't be much effort to snip stuff out of there to paint you like a liar, thief, ******, antisocial ****, and mentally unstable character. With enough digging, enough can be found about everyone.
Anyway, I don't feel the need to comment about the particular accusations this time either, because they are irrelevant and meaningless.
Is ANk related to Joe? Sounds like the stuff he says... ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character... |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.05.16 17:04:00 -
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Dang, I knew I should've voted for Ank. Anyone's who's raised enough ire and bile for a concentrated smear campaign deserves at least a vote |
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