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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:03:00 -
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Krysta Bourne wrote:And claiming that it was the targets own fault for dying? Really? I have yet to see a PvP player that I'd actually consider befriending, so far my only views of them are that of the schoolyard bullies boasting about beating up the handicapped kid in school. You certainly don't help that view by blaming the victim of the attack.
They have a mentality that looks like what happens in RL, where people make guilty the victim not the aggressor. "You just had to not get out so late", "you just had to wear an armor suit".
Now I'll get all sorts of trolls "LOOOOL you compare a game to RL". Yes I do, because the behavior pattern is the same.
And it's one of the major reasons to not want to stick with such nasty people. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ukrane Bob
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:17:00 -
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I can only give you an answer for myself..
I don't give a rats a$$ about isk per hour or profit margins...
I don't give a rats a$$ about pvp or killmails.. if I want kill counts I'll go play CoD or some other fps..
I don't give a rats a$$ about why/how you play.. But I think it is hilarious that the play styles of pve folks gets under the skin of pvp folks.
I simply love the crafting aspect of this game. You actually have to work to gather the materials (work includes watching your back the whole time from the folks that play for pvp) and then turn them into almost anything in the game that can be bought and sold. I love the fact that you have to learn skills to do anything in the game and the fact that it is real time learning makes it even better. Well maybe not real time but it takes more time than stopping off at a trainer and throwing money at him and magically gaining the Titan pilot skill.
In short, at least for me, I love to create things. If they are destroyed I rebuild and create more. Does it bother me that they can be destroyed? Not at all.. That is the nature of this game after all.
edit: Yes I copy pasted and edited this from another post very similar to this. I didn't feel like retyping. I like to **** people off.. Get Over it.. Adapt .. Survive! |
Lubba Luft
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:22:00 -
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3 ships against my T1 frigate is what keeps me away. Warp bubbles backed by a cloaked fleet is what keeps me away. Players with 2 or 3 accounts playing against 1 player is what keeps me away. Stupid exploits that other more hardcore players know and I have no time or interest to learn is what keeps me away. T3 cloaked full time gamers who enjoy shooting anything in sight. Even cans. Is what keep me away. And sometimes I don't feel like killing others, is that so bad? And lastly..money. can't afford to loose a ship every day.
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Gerald Taric
86
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:31:00 -
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TL;DR: An example of an possible PvP encounter in high sec with a carebear, and why the carebear avoided the match. Conclusion at the bottom of the text.
yesterday night i had a "usual" carebear encounter - lets take that for an possible example.
I decided to do some standing improvement towards Gallente with my Tengu. At that point of time i was just able to take lvl2 security missions. So i did with patience. The mission send me to a neighbour system of a starter area -> 0.9 sec. I entered the pocket and did the drudging job, leaving most of the wreks, where they are because i was just interested in standing gain. No big damage to my ship, no big deal, all fine, uninteresting so far.
Suddenly a foreinger appeared.
"Hm, must have scanned me ... nevermind ... "
The strangers name in overview got crying red, with red skull and blinking yellow brackets.
"wtf ... ... ?"
I saw some unknown optical effects, as if some "draining weapon" was targeted at me. But i did not saw any unusual sign or damage.
I stopped shooting at the mission targets and evaluated the situation.
"hm, this is high sec ... he must have stolen something ... cheeky."
He did not leave. He was flying a ... i'm not sure ... i suppose, it was a Raptor. Nothing special. Someone in chat wrote, it's unusual to target a Tengu with a Raptor. Nevertheless, he did obviously.
So what was the situation?
* It was high sec. He could not attack me first without being CONCORDed. * As someone other in this thread already stated: "No one wants to loose." Therefore he must be sure to win something from this situation. But what? * dscan revealed nothing unusual * local chat contained too much individuals to check everyone in individual, if he/she was from same corporation as the enemy * If i would attack him, i *might* have won, but i would just gained probably some crab loot and a killmail. I cant buy anything with an killmail. No profit. * Enemy could get bigger ship after being killed the first time -> high risk to loose my Tengu. There must be some trap.
Therefore: unknown high Risk versus low profit.
Decision: Let him being flashy red,as i had no interest in the loot.
I continued the mission pretending to ignor the enemy, but keeping an eye on him.
As i destroyed the last mission object (an building), that resulted in an loot containter apearing
"maybe the mission objective or an unusual item?"
I aproached the container.
but so did the enemy very fast ...... and got it before me.
"Ah ... he want's me to fail the mission, and me getting in rage."
I checked the mission text again, but mission was marked as solved ("just destroy, nothing to collect").
*smiling evil*
I decided to orbit the enemy ... in order to wait for the next action.
And he did ... jettison the loot (?).
"aha .. he things, i might get fooled by that."
I decided to steal some futher time from him by orbiting him.
And the he gave up unsattisfied. He flew away. And so did i, not touching the wreks and the can.
TL;DR : It's a simple risk versus profit thinking. My goal was: Gain positive standing. Mission was successfull. No need to get into trouble and take a risk in loosing an expensive Tengu to an unknown trap.
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
148
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:39:00 -
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Honestly? Because PvP has become too predictable.
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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
35
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:49:00 -
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Also - Iv'e heard some of the people in Mining ships dont PVP because.. well... mining ships don't have guns. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Celeste Lovette
Down Girls Show Entertainment
88
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:56:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:Also - Iv'e heard some of the people in Mining ships dont PVP because.. well... mining ships don't have guns. I like your toon style Very English class, Mylord "Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." |
Michaelthe
TreadStone Standard The 99 Percent
0
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:59:00 -
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Inability to find relatively even fights as solo, duo, or small roam.
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Itis Zhellin
Zass Proteus Logistik Northern Associates.
14
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:16:00 -
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To be honest, whats scares me most is that the CCP devs are more active in topics like "wtf the avatar above/under you think" than the real issues. They don't really seems to give a frak about their product, they are here just to have fun on our wallet and launch worthless patches.
After 9 years or so they just discovered how to make a missile launcher animation and they are damn proud about it. And yeah,... the unique and awesome unified inventory. Go figure. |
Vellen Thoss
The Scope Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:20:00 -
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Itis Zhellin wrote:To be honest, whats scares me most is that the CCP devs are more active in topics like "wtf the avatar above/under you think" than the real issues. They don't really seems to give a frak about their product, they are here just to have fun on our wallet and launch worthless patches.
After 9 years or so they just discovered how to make a missile launcher animation and they are damn proud about it. And yeah,... the unique and awesome unified inventory. Go figure.
To play devil's advocate, they are people too, and I am sure they play the game as well, don't fault them for enjoying things the community offers, you have no idea what they are really doing, or that they *aren't* paying attention to player complaints and feedback. |
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
382
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:39:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Krysta Bourne wrote:And claiming that it was the targets own fault for dying? Really? I have yet to see a PvP player that I'd actually consider befriending, so far my only views of them are that of the schoolyard bullies boasting about beating up the handicapped kid in school. You certainly don't help that view by blaming the victim of the attack.
They have a mentality that looks like what happens in RL, where people make guilty the victim not the aggressor. "You just had to not get out so late", "you just had to wear an armor suit". Now I'll get all sorts of trolls "LOOOOL you compare a game to RL". Yes I do, because the behavior pattern is the same. And it's one of the major reasons to not want to stick with such nasty people.
Here's the difference.
EvE is a Game that people CHOOSE to play. If they don't enjoy some core aspect of the game, then I don't understand why they play.
You don't have a choice about participating in RL.
Complaining about getting shot at in EvE is like complaining about getting shot at in a Paintball match. It's ludicrous. -RubyPorto
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S'No Flake
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:42:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:EvE is a Game that people CHOOSE to play. If they don't enjoy some core aspect of the game, then I don't understand why they play.
Because they enjoy a different part of the game. Or maybe your 'core aspect' of the game is different than 'my core aspect' of the game :)
Yesterday i fitter my first rifter and went in low sec to try to find something to shoot at. A 2h waste of time as all i found were gate camps or solo pilots in jaguars or loki trying to catch me at next gate.
You take a rifter and fight them ... i will have my fun wasting their time lol. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
387
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:56:00 -
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S'No Flake wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:EvE is a Game that people CHOOSE to play. If they don't enjoy some core aspect of the game, then I don't understand why they play. Because they enjoy a different part of the game. Or maybe your 'core aspect' of the game is different than 'my core aspect' of the game :) Yesterday i fitter my first rifter and went in low sec to try to find something to shoot at. A 2h waste of time as all i found were gate camps or solo pilots in jaguars or loki trying to catch me at next gate. You take a rifter and fight them ... i will have my fun wasting their time lol.
CCP Wrangler wrote:EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
EvE is, to its core, a PvP game. You can try to avoid ship to ship combat, but you can't avoid affecting other players.
You can enjoy a different part of the game from ship to ship combat, and that's fine. But if a core concept of the game (non-consensual PvP combat) affects your enjoyment of the game so much you feel the need to threaten to quit and otherwise rage on the forums or call people who gank miners Evil (not saying you've done this, Flake, but many miners certainly have), maybe EvE isn't the game for you.
Kristoffer Touborg/CCP Soundwave wrote:It isnGÇÖt really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and thereGÇÖs customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally donGÇÖt like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. EVE isnGÇÖt for everyone. I wish it was, but the reality is that there are some people who just enjoy playing another game more. And thatGÇÖs not really that bad. http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/27/eve-devs-our-game-is-the-mmo-equivalent-of-running-inferno-solo-with-a-naked-barbarian/ -RubyPorto
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Olan Dumis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:06:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote: So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.
That pretty much sums it up. The last alliance mail I got was outlining exactly who could yell/ scream/ nerd rage/ and berate other players while in fleet..... why anyone would volunteer to put up with such asses is beyond me.
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Something Random
The Barrow Boys
164
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:07:00 -
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nothing "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
271
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:09:00 -
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only thing that keeps me from pvp is isk but im managing it ok for the moment On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
S'No Flake
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:13:00 -
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I completely understand you. My point was, if for you (and most others) PvP combat is the core of the game, for a lot of other people building ships, planetary stuff, getting bored to death mining gas in a WH, etc is the core aspect of the game.
There is no black and white truth. Everything is a full shade of greys.
I personally don't feel any joy trying for two hours to find a kestrel, a merlin, hell another rifter to blow me up (or blow him up) when all i find are 10+ people camping gates or solo people flying T2 frigs or T3 cruisers trying to kill a less than a weak char.
Hence, i prefer to waste their time and i find casual PvP in EvE a mess. Well, i'm not sure casual PvP done for fun or to learn the tricks even exists outside RvB.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
450
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:31:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Krysta Bourne wrote:And claiming that it was the targets own fault for dying? Really? I have yet to see a PvP player that I'd actually consider befriending, so far my only views of them are that of the schoolyard bullies boasting about beating up the handicapped kid in school. You certainly don't help that view by blaming the victim of the attack.
They have a mentality that looks like what happens in RL, where people make guilty the victim not the aggressor. "You just had to not get out so late", "you just had to wear an armor suit". Now I'll get all sorts of trolls "LOOOOL you compare a game to RL". Yes I do, because the behavior pattern is the same. And it's one of the major reasons to not want to stick with such nasty people. Here's the difference. EvE is a Game that people CHOOSE to play. If they don't enjoy some core aspect of the game, then I don't understand why they play. You don't have a choice about participating in RL. Complaining about getting shot at in EvE is like complaining about getting shot at in a Paintball match. It's ludicrous.
What makes you think that people who buy EVE, buy the whole nine yards of it?
EVE is unique and thus it's the crossroads of many gameplay styles and backgrounds. EVE is a end-of-line game, its the ultimate "what else is there". There is nowhere to go further than EVE in complexity and player driven content. Also is one (1) of the two (2) last major spacefaring freelancing games in the market. And the other one is developed by a company one tenth the size of CCP, and is not an MMO.
It's not as if people was here just because they pick 100% of EVE from a wider range of alternate games. "We want your help to convince management to develop Incarna into 3rd person shooter dungeon raiding with friendly fire in nullsec space..."
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Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
187
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:53:00 -
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because i have no isk and suck at making isk. |
Pink Marshmellow
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
38
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Posted - 2012.07.13 21:05:00 -
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The universal unwillingness to engage in equal numbers and composition.
There is no fair fight.
Its all about superiority in numbers and guarantee of victory, along with abundance of intel that limits pvp.
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Aestivalis Saidrian
SplitPush Mercantiles
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Posted - 2012.07.13 21:15:00 -
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Because decorating someone's killmail as a "Look at my epic, max skilled Loki/Tengu with links shooting apart frigates, T1 cruisers" is dull and boring. |
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.13 21:28:00 -
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This forum is in big part to blame why people are not willing to go and try PVP. There is just a small part of PVP community that know how to explain and invite people to PVP properly .The other sadly much bigger part is acting like 12 year old kids with bad taste for jokes and stream of insults in their posts.
Mostly you see a lot of chest-beating how they will burn god him self ,but case is majority of them are just carried by people leading gangs.It is even worse when players from big alliances start to preach wisdom and most of them are just shooting what FC says,and that ask for almost no PVP skill apart from knowing how to track fleet announcement.
Don't get me wrong ,it is game and this is PVP game ,but no one like to play with pricks.It is sad that low sec is mostly empty but maybe people that represent that part of EVE on this forums are doing exactly opposite to help low sec.Pissing player off instead showing how much fun they have, and that loosing ship can sometime make you more happy than making tons of isk to fly pimped up mission runner. |
Pink Marshmellow
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
38
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Posted - 2012.07.13 21:32:00 -
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Ana Fox wrote:This forum is in big part to blame why people are not willing to go and try PVP. There is just a small part of PVP community that know how to explain and invite people to PVP properly .The other sadly much bigger part is acting like 12 year old kids with bad taste for jokes and stream of insults in their posts.
Mostly you see a lot of chest-beating how they will burn god him self ,but case is majority of them are just carried by people leading gangs.It is even worse when players from big alliances start to preach wisdom and most of them are just shooting what FC says,and that ask for almost no PVP skill apart from knowing how to track fleet announcement.
Don't get me wrong ,it is game and this is PVP game ,but no one like to play with pricks.It is sad that low sec is mostly empty but maybe people that represent that part of EVE on this forums are doing exactly opposite to help low sec.Pissing player off instead showing how much fun they have, and that loosing ship can sometime make you more happy than making tons of isk to fly pimped up mission runner.
What you say applies to most pvpers. Most pvpers are people who tag along, but are unable or refuse to lead.
The success of the fleet is determined most by the FC, the FC is the head of the fleet, everyone else is the body part that function at the brain's command.
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Gulboy
Severasse Mining Severasse Militarized Mining Union
0
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Posted - 2012.07.13 21:38:00 -
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Hmm. My alliance is at war, but not many people stands up to fight. From kill reports, I see that I cannot go against these guys without at least 3 people. I can't do pvp at lowsec, because I'm low on money (cruisers and above not optional) and hence prefer frigates and destroyers. Without scanning, the only place I can seek out PvP in this state is by waiting for someone to attack me, since the gate guns would 1-shot me. That leaves only nullsec for me to duke it out. I may try it, but that would leave me only frigates to use, and I'm not trained enough to get into tier 2 guns. I may try just to get blown though. How quick would an Amarr frig get picked in nullsec? Probably in seconds. Also I would lose my pod out there. I can always get my pod out at lowsec, but I'm not so sure about nullsec. I have 2 +3 inplants but still.
As you can see, PvP without other people seems pointless for me. Really, the answer to this question for many is "The circumstances aren't right." I listed mine here. What are yours?
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Krysta Bourne
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:42:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote: You can be shot anywhere in space, and you're free to shoot back if you want to. The question is, will you?
Nope. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
389
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:48:00 -
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Krysta Bourne wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote: You can be shot anywhere in space, and you're free to shoot back if you want to. The question is, will you? Nope.
Fair enough. Then the question is Will you Whine on EvE-O saying it's broken or will you accept that not shooting back is your choice?
If Whine: Then you're mistaken about what EvE is. If Accept: Then you understand EvE and are playing it right.
Nobody that I consider reasonable has any actual objection to people being carebears and avoiding combat. The objection is to those people whining on the forums and ultimately pressuring CCP into changing the game to suit them. -RubyPorto
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Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
169
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:08:00 -
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This is EVE. The only real non-PvP activity is ratting/missioning, and then only if you never touch the market (no selling or buying anything at all.)
But I'm guessing you're referring simply to flinging missiles at each other. I tend to not do that much because it's so much more boring than economics and politics.
If, on the other hand, you actually wanted to know why some people only run missions and/or rat while never touching the market, I couldn't tell you. I've never met anyone like that. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
Kyle Ward
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:10:00 -
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Ana Fox wrote:Mostly you see a lot of chest-beating how they will burn god him self ,but case is majority of them are just carried by people leading gangs.It is even worse when players from big alliances start to preach wisdom and most of them are just shooting what FC says,and that ask for almost no PVP skill apart from knowing how to track fleet announcement..
When I did PvP I really noticed this too. It seems most EVE players really don't know how to PvP beyond lock primary F1. And if you can get the drop on them alone they fumble and just generally explode without even realizing what just happened. Maybe thats why everyone seems to hate frigates, not enough time to react... The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:27:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players. So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of ' You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject. Thanks. EDIT: When I say high sec players, I am referring to what is keeping them from player combat in general. It is not specific to a location in the game. That said if you live anywhere in the game and don't engage in combat feel free to say why. Also I am seeing a lot of other players who do participate in player combat chiming in with the 'You're doing it wrong!' posts. Please just ignore them.
Hmmm, I'd have to say currently it is due to pursuing the industrial path. Now while doing that, I have trained up combat skills here and there, other things to increase powergrid and CPU capacity, but haven't pursued it hardcore. My thinking is, make a strong industrial character, capable of making money to buy the expensive toys and then pursue a line of training to make my ship handling skills better. |
Krysta Bourne
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:32:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Krysta Bourne wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote: You can be shot anywhere in space, and you're free to shoot back if you want to. The question is, will you? Nope. Fair enough. Then the question is Will you Whine on EvE-O saying it's broken or will you accept that not shooting back is your choice? Nobody that I consider reasonable has any actual objection to people being carebears and avoiding combat. The objection is to those people whining on the forums and ultimately pressuring CCP into changing the game to suit them.
I'm not the type to whine about so-called broken game mechanics simply because I don't like them. I do however reply to posts and questions honestly and how I truly feel. If a situation arises or is covered that really needs to be addressed and I'm asked for my opinion, I will give it. |
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