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Gallente Echtzeit AG
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Posted - 2010.06.04 18:48:00 -
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I demand a native Linux version of EVE. I don't think its to extreme. Thank you!
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saras fortrox
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Posted - 2010.06.07 04:49:00 -
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please linux client or at least a wine install script that works
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T00NCES
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Posted - 2010.06.09 03:07:00 -
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Edited by: T00NCES on 09/06/2010 03:07:23
Originally by: mrkaczor Maybe in next voting for CSM we should vote for some1 playing on linux? If we could organize ourselves properly we would have high chances for linux players to have their voice heard?
I totally agree with you! I would vote for a linux user! We should get a Linux group together in advance for voting next year. But we need to make sure it's a Linux savy player.
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Geana Tem
Gallente The Order of Symbolic Measures
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Posted - 2010.06.09 06:58:00 -
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Seconded, if there is a Linux power user up for the glory of the CSM then they can count on my vote.
All I ask is that CCP <u>works with</u> the Linux community in compiling it's Windows client using Wine libraries and made available for download from the official site.
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AterraX
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.09 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Aera Aiana A native Linux client is probably out of the question, given their reliance on DirectX. Their use of Python really doesn't change anything. It's as much cross-platform as any other language is in it's uncompiled state. It's the bindings to os-specific features that are the problem.
I think most people would be fine if CCP could just test their stuff on Linux/Wine, too and avoid releasing broken stuff like the jukebox, if it isn't a really important feature. I mean most people probably wouldn't have minded to wait another patch for the jukebox, especially given how buggy it's on windows, too.
Forget it, why should I be punished because you run a sup-par gaming OS?! ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character... |
Xianthar
STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.09 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: AterraX
Forget it, why should I be punished because you run a sup-par gaming OS?!
Every time i look at my web/mail servers logs i ask myself why i have to be punished because so many people run an OS with sub par security
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.09 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: AterraX
Originally by: Aera Aiana
I think most people would be fine if CCP could just test their stuff on Linux/Wine...
Forget it, why should I be punished because you run a sup-par gaming OS?!
That reply has no business in this section. I could understand the trolling if this were in general, but give me a juvenile break here. -sigh. The original quote regarding testing isn't unreasonable nor does it "punish" anyone.
As to the entire "sub-par" argument, its only tossed out by those who haven't used anything other than windows, OR gave up because x, y or z didn't work like they thought it should.
As to the linux client stuff being native, that too has been done to death over the years, and as long as CCP insists on directx for gfx, then we won't see native, either on linux nor on the mac. (transgaming's cider app isn't "native" by the by.)
Aera's post regarding wine testing is at this point the most valid and least problematic solution.
Of course when I was last active over a year ago following the debacle of Transgaming's attempt at a linux client, CCP at fanfest and in posts indicated that:
A. Linux WAS a superior platform, but they were entrenched with directx making it extremely difficult to move toward openGL AND:
B. They at that time indicated that they would be doing a "sniff test" with in-house linux + wine computers before releasing anything. Apparently they gave up on that because the jukebox issue plus a couple of installation glitches don't pass the "sniff test" over here.
Not really complaining as its very easy to fix, but there ya go.
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AterraX
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.10 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Xianthar
Originally by: AterraX
Forget it, why should I be punished because you run a sup-par gaming OS?!
Every time i look at my web/mail servers logs i ask myself why i have to be punished because so many people run an OS with sub par security
Everytime I read a thread about linux gaming performance I ask myself why people chosse a sub-par OS for the job.
Hint: I have root on a lot of servers(Network technician for an ISP), but the run FreeBSD...a much better tool for that sort of job that Linux.
Two can play that game n00b...And, once again, why should +90% of the payerbase suffer because you choose a sub-par tool for the job?
I bet you don't have an answer but will try some other sort of fallacy? :) ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character... |
Xianthar
STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.10 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: AterraX
Everytime I read a thread about linux gaming performance I ask myself why people chosse a sub-par OS for the job.
Hint: I have root on a lot of servers(Network technician for an ISP), but the run FreeBSD...a much better tool for that sort of job that Linux.
Two can play that game n00b...And, once again, why should +90% of the payerbase suffer because you choose a sub-par tool for the job?
I bet you don't have an answer but will try some other sort of fallacy? :)
Well first, considering your reply i'm pretty sure you didn't understand my post, which is rather odd considering your a 'network technician' but i'll just set that aside.
Your initial fallacy is that you assume as truth the following statement:
"If CCP supports Linux i will be punished"
Which you have not provided any support or evidence for.
If testing under wine increases testing time by 5% but gains 5% (or even fewer) additional subscribers then it is a good choice from a business perspective. CCP being a successful business benefits all players.
Your also assuming that we are just being dumb by trying to play a game on linux. Many of us don't keep an entire separate PC sitting to run as a wintendo nor do we want to reboot every time i want to play (hell i haven't rebooted my desktop in 6 months).
Running windows as my day to day OS is completely out of the question for numerous reasons.
Considering the current state of things, linux doesn't seem to be getting much attention from CCP anyway. If you wish to pound your 'spend more money on windows' drum i suggest you travel over to the mac forum as CCP does spend a fair bit of $ maintaining that client.
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saras fortrox
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:22:00 -
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window software suckes under then the lack of eve online support and zfs , dtrace. oh two of those are not and windows. and i hope i can get this two work some how. oh if any linux run for csm you got all 4 of my account i will start a few i you need.
And linux is grow where it counts, oh i by the way i do put my money my mouth is i only buy pc with linux on them system76 rules and crossover is not that made but i fell for any in that business.
If ccp start give us a client to per release maybe 1 week or month and let test it for linux if their are issue they can fix them.
linux will take the lead in the os world if google has anything to say about it. oh google employes don't get windows computers. **** i will pay more if need of linux for client. If crossover gets eve working they will get $40 i would like that money to go to the game i love.
Oh linux is grown os and ccp to lead this change.
ps i pry that i get this to work.
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2010.07.02 05:26:00 -
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It's unlikley to happen any time soon. A OpenGL native client I mean. There is too much invested in Microsoft's technologies. Lets be honest here Microsoft are often mentioned as one of the sponsers/prefered vendors during CCP stuff.
Now I can't see it doing any harm for CCP to test against the latest build of Wine and unofficially make sure its compatible. But for all I know they do that already.
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Gyokerke
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Posted - 2010.07.03 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Solbright
The first step in that process is to replace Direct3D with OpenGL. Second step would be to wedge a cross-platform library between Eve and DirectX so that Eve's source for all platforms is just the one edit like it is right now.
Actually, Direct3D is the tough part, if Eve just used OpenGL instead of Direct3D then I'm sure the rest would be handled just as well by Wine as if it was a native Linux build. No real need for Eve to be a fully native app.
I am sure many have already answered this proposal but here are my thoughts. OpenGL is a nice thing, it would be totally possible to port the engine to OpenGL from Direct3D. CCP would even have the man power to do it but that would mean consequences. First of, that would take time, possibly months or years. CCP just won't allocate the resources to do that job as the linux user base is so small.
Instead of that I suppose another idea that came up here. Employ someone who helps the Wine project run EVE online better :) Sending patches, bug fixes or create a eve version of Wine. That would totally be possible and I agree if CSM brought it up, something might even happen there.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.03 16:06:00 -
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Quote: Everytime I read a thread about linux gaming performance I ask myself why people chosse a sub-par OS for the job.
Every time I read a thread about linux gaming performance I thank myself for being a jedi admin with better performance than a windows box with double the specs.
For the record ubuntu is the vista of linux. If you want to game in linux run gentoo or slackware or build it yourself. This is clearly a signature. |
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