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Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
866
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Posted - 2012.07.12 15:40:00 -
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So I've been seeing huge plumes of destruction on my map and I'm hearing a lot of conflicting rumors about what exactly is happening in Delve. Is it true that the Goons control most of nullsec in eve (over 50%?!). Is SoCo dead? Did they break up? Can anyone give me a brief synopsis of what happened?
Thanks for any replies...
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The Djentleman Paulson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.07.12 15:42:00 -
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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Test_Alliance_Please_Ignore/changes
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Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
866
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Posted - 2012.07.12 15:44:00 -
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The Djentleman Paulson wrote:http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Test_Alliance_Please_Ignore/changes
Daaaaaaammmmnn. You guys have been busy.
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Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
158
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Posted - 2012.07.12 15:48:00 -
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I'm not a fan of blob warfare, but it's actually pretty impressive to see the speed of sov changes on dotlan.
Edit: I mean especially looking at the map. |
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.07.12 15:48:00 -
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We're on the highway to hell. |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
171
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Posted - 2012.07.12 15:55:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:We're on the highway to hell.
Hiiiighwaaaay toooo theeee danger zoooneeee "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
158
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Posted - 2012.07.12 15:58:00 -
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TheBreadMuncher wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:We're on the highway to hell. Hiiiighwaaaay toooo theeee danger zoooneeee
Top Gun == 80s gay movie |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:02:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:We're on the highway to hell. Hiiiighwaaaay toooo theeee danger zoooneeee Top Gun == 80s gay movie
You take that back. |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
171
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:02:00 -
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Haquer wrote:Cebraio wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:We're on the highway to hell. Hiiiighwaaaay toooo theeee danger zoooneeee Top Gun == 80s gay movie You take that back.
Take it back NOW. "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |
Cpt Roghie
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
31
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:02:00 -
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Like SoCo could win that war anyway. They did however win something, the "staying docked up the longest" award. Zzzzzzzz.
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Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
199
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:04:00 -
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Haquer wrote:Cebraio wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:We're on the highway to hell. Hiiiighwaaaay toooo theeee danger zoooneeee Top Gun == 80s gay movie You take that back.
I don't know about that...
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Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
200
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:06:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:I'm not a fan of blob warfare, but it's actually pretty impressive to see the speed of sov changes on dotlan. Edit: I mean especially looking at the map.
I see TEST pretty much sweep the place. I wonder, from the remaining players in Delve, who's with TEST and who's against. Anybody could provide update on that based on the dotlan map?
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highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
129
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:06:00 -
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SEE YOU IN 319 STATION!!
WWOOO HOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:07:00 -
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TheBreadMuncher wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:We're on the highway to hell. Hiiiighwaaaay toooo theeee danger zoooneeee Uhhh you're thinking of a different song.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_to_Hell is not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Zone_(song) |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
158
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:13:00 -
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TheBreadMuncher wrote:Haquer wrote:Cebraio wrote: Top Gun == 80s gay movie
You take that back. Take it back NOW. LOL
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Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:16:00 -
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Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics. Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
Nex apparatu5
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
301
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:22:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:Cebraio wrote:I'm not a fan of blob warfare, but it's actually pretty impressive to see the speed of sov changes on dotlan. Edit: I mean especially looking at the map. I see TEST pretty much sweep the place. I wonder, from the remaining players in Delve, who's with TEST and who's against. Anybody could provide update on that based on the dotlan map?
The enemies of Test at this point have pretty much split.
Nulli/HUN/VCUZ/Pengu evacuated to lowsec and are planning on moving west, abandoning their sov.
RA is essentially dead.
Solar never really deployed in the first place, they're still doing their own thing.
Raiden/Init were kinda halfhearted from the beginning, they are back in their own space.
WALLPAPERS still hold T-IP, and have fought like lions, but unfortunately will still lose their sov. Hopefully they take space and keep growing, they're a great bunch of dudes.
-A- has basically abandoned the fight entirely and have started evacuating to NPC space in anticipation of losing their sov. They've decided to take the stance of "don't fight, they'll get bored and go home" |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
867
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:56:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:Cebraio wrote:I'm not a fan of blob warfare, but it's actually pretty impressive to see the speed of sov changes on dotlan. Edit: I mean especially looking at the map. I see TEST pretty much sweep the place. I wonder, from the remaining players in Delve, who's with TEST and who's against. Anybody could provide update on that based on the dotlan map? The enemies of Test at this point have pretty much split. Nulli/HUN/VCUZ/Pengu evacuated to lowsec and are planning on moving west, abandoning their sov. RA is essentially dead. Solar never really deployed in the first place, they're still doing their own thing. Raiden/Init were kinda halfhearted from the beginning, they are back in their own space. WALLPAPERS still hold T-IP, and have fought like lions, but unfortunately will still lose their sov. Hopefully they take space and keep growing, they're a great bunch of dudes. -A- has basically abandoned the fight entirely and have started evacuating to NPC space in anticipation of losing their sov. They've decided to take the stance of "don't fight, they'll get bored and go home" Good synopsis... thanks!
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highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
130
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:59:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:Cebraio wrote:I'm not a fan of blob warfare, but it's actually pretty impressive to see the speed of sov changes on dotlan. Edit: I mean especially looking at the map. I see TEST pretty much sweep the place. I wonder, from the remaining players in Delve, who's with TEST and who's against. Anybody could provide update on that based on the dotlan map? The enemies of Test at this point have pretty much split. Nulli/HUN/VCUZ/Pengu evacuated to lowsec and are planning on moving west, abandoning their sov. RA is essentially dead. Solar never really deployed in the first place, they're still doing their own thing. Raiden/Init were kinda halfhearted from the beginning, they are back in their own space. WALLPAPERS still hold T-IP, and have fought like lions, but unfortunately will still lose their sov. Hopefully they take space and keep growing, they're a great bunch of dudes. -A- has basically abandoned the fight entirely and have started evacuating to NPC space in anticipation of losing their sov. They've decided to take the stance of "don't fight, they'll get bored and go home"
Nulli and friends can't move west. If you look at physical map of eve, "west" is fountain.
-A- gave up after they lost their loki fleet in about 30 seconds.
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Nex apparatu5
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
303
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Posted - 2012.07.12 17:01:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Nex apparatu5 wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:Cebraio wrote:I'm not a fan of blob warfare, but it's actually pretty impressive to see the speed of sov changes on dotlan. Edit: I mean especially looking at the map. I see TEST pretty much sweep the place. I wonder, from the remaining players in Delve, who's with TEST and who's against. Anybody could provide update on that based on the dotlan map? The enemies of Test at this point have pretty much split. Nulli/HUN/VCUZ/Pengu evacuated to lowsec and are planning on moving west, abandoning their sov. RA is essentially dead. Solar never really deployed in the first place, they're still doing their own thing. Raiden/Init were kinda halfhearted from the beginning, they are back in their own space. WALLPAPERS still hold T-IP, and have fought like lions, but unfortunately will still lose their sov. Hopefully they take space and keep growing, they're a great bunch of dudes. -A- has basically abandoned the fight entirely and have started evacuating to NPC space in anticipation of losing their sov. They've decided to take the stance of "don't fight, they'll get bored and go home" Nulli and friends can't move west. If you look at physical map of eve, "west" is fountain. -A- gave up after they lost their loki fleet in about 30 seconds.
East, not west. I'm terrible at space directions. |
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Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
101
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Posted - 2012.07.12 17:04:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics. Or, you know, people who defend them. |
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2012.07.12 17:22:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics. Or, you know, people who defend them.
Typical response from an alliance that has always been someone elses pet. Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
173
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Posted - 2012.07.12 17:38:00 -
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Now measure how much I care on a scale of one to didn't want that titan anyway "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |
The Djentleman Paulson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2012.07.12 17:42:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics.
EHP doesn't matter if no one comes to DEFEND THE STRUCTURES
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Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1819
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Posted - 2012.07.12 17:52:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics. Or, you know, people who defend them. Typical response from an alliance that has always been someone elses pet.
I assume you haven't been paying attention at all, so I'll just spell it out here.
-A-'s strategy - without any kind of bias-filter, this is actually what they've done (someone less lazy can link you the recordings of their comms) - was to stay docked and let us get bored.
Let me repeat that.
-A-'s strategy was to stay docked and let us get bored.
Makalu's strategy was to stay docked and let us get bored.
Makalu, apparent head FC of the entire SOCO, decided to stay docked and let us get bored.
Makalu, instead of defending his sovereignty, decided to stay docked up and let us get bored.
Makalu, terrified of rifter webs, decided to dock his immortal T3 fleets and let us get bored in Eve Online, a boring space game.
Better consult the chart. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
126
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Posted - 2012.07.12 18:35:00 -
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Degren wrote:Let me repeat that.
-A-'s strategy was to stay docked and let us get bored.
Makalu's strategy was to stay docked and let us get bored.
*snort*
You should listen to your enemies instead of your leaders. |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
225
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:30:00 -
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Well... at least I got an album of some of the biggest fights. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
494
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:41:00 -
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There was once this guy cloacked spamming local how other null alliances, and specially Goons, were afraid of fights and bad pvprs who couldn't handle fights decently, and yadayada if ever -A- decides to come around you'll get your arse kicked blahblahblah...
You know, that same guy often posting in Eve News, can't remember his nick. Well, why doesn't he post any more his crap? brb |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
804
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:44:00 -
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Their k/d ratio is still very high though! That's just as good as defending sov. Why did you take my wings away? |
Charles Baker
Federal Mineral Acquisition
39
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:51:00 -
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The south will rise again! |
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Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1825
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:32:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Degren wrote:Let me repeat that.
-A-'s strategy was to stay docked and let us get bored.
Makalu's strategy was to stay docked and let us get bored. *snort* You should listen to your enemies instead of your leaders.
Thank you for supporting my argument with your helpful link. Better consult the chart. |
Zoe Athame
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
106
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:39:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:I'm not a fan of blob warfare, but it's actually pretty impressive to see the speed of sov changes on dotlan. Edit: I mean especially looking at the map.
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png
This map is prettier. |
Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
205
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:47:00 -
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I kinda like this one myself...
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Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:48:00 -
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Degren wrote:GOON PET NUMBA ONE F1 BUTAN PUSHA.
What started out as good fights, Turned into a big steaming pile of propaganda. You say you went there for "Good Fights" which in the begining probably was true. When it escalated you should have only brought in One back up alliance to "Even" the numbers and you would have had your "GoodFights". But instead you screamed at your masters and then Goons jerked the leash and everyone was TOLD to go to Delve.
Nulli and friends, Screw -A-, dont have the ISK that TECH income brings to an Alliance. While you are able to **** out ships for RISK FREE PVP, SoCo dosent. Nulli was at war with RA before Pet Legion decided to make it a 3 way. Then this **** storm of a circle jerk happened.
Congrats on being able to win EVE by just putting people in the system. The results of you camping and watching a station is a direct result of your actions and Mastser and Pets. Maybe we should contact the Guinness Book of World Records to see if it Qualifies.
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
133
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:51:00 -
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I love it when all the goon pets start acting like smart asses about how much leet sov space pvp they are doing and how much of an impact its having, when in reality goons dont even need you lol. The alliance itself has a large enough memberbase to just stomp over anyone anyways.
Soon all eve will belong to goons, cant wait. I can just do 10 jumps to kill a goon rather than 40 to VFK :D Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1825
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:54:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Degren wrote:Correct things angry things
Sounds like someone should have undocked in something besides T3s.
This is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
72
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:56:00 -
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In fairness, wallpapers have shown more balls than the rest of the SoCo put together, massive props to those guys. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
127
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:00:00 -
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Degren wrote:Or, assuming you're Nulli, probably shouldn't have batphoned and chest thumped.
Please, feel free to continue blaming everyone but yourselves.
TEST's unique factional Casus Belli: "Someone said things about us that were meeeeeeeeeeeeeeean." |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
869
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:01:00 -
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You know what really struck me on that influence map? Against All Authorities. Man do they have staying power.... hat's off to you gents o7
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MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
961
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:03:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics.
or it means they could of brought out just as many ships and DEFENDED THEMSELVES. The fix isn't some buff or game design change. It's working as intended. You have to actually defend your systems! gasps! over expanding shouldn't be safe. They are eating undefended systems, of course it's easy. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
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Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1825
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:04:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Degren wrote:Or, assuming you're Nulli, probably shouldn't have batphoned and chest thumped.
Please, feel free to continue blaming everyone but yourselves. TEST's unique factional Casus Belli: "Someone said things about us that were meeeeeeeeeeeeeeean."
You're just embarrassing yourself, now. Go take space in the east or something. This is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
466
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:14:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote:Like SoCo could win that war anyway. They did however win something, the "staying docked up the longest" award.
i would warn ccp about getting rid of isk faucets... seems like if you are reliant on "renters" for isk then your ability to fight is not so great as you cannot take that much risk... (furhtermore the first sign of a war going wrong and the nullbears pack up and run)
when tech gets nerfed i hope they do it by reactions... that way you can make your own tech with lesser moongoo...
from what i can see eve the arcade game seems more fun then eve the sandbox... PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
157
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:14:00 -
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oh look, another delve/soco/cfc/goons/nullsec thread! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
466
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:17:00 -
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but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...
so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started. PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
68
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:20:00 -
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I am interested in this as well as I remember the other fights for Delve over the years. What has been apparent afterwards is the chest-beatings of the victor stating how they won and why - and it is still continuing in this thread VASTLY exaggerated and blown out of all proportion ...by the victors. As we see in history, when the victor has the writing tools we see a very one sided view of how things happened.
However, Eve is a DB that allows matching dates with numbers, so I would like to see what happened on the relevant date with the relevant system and the relevant alliance. That would be a story!!!
Would we see overwhelming blob warfare killing PL or the Goons helping their pets out a tight spot because of the amount of ships lost? Come on you keeper of numbers - SHOW US THE FACTS!!!!!
I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
466
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:24:00 -
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Klandi wrote:I am interested in this as well as I remember the other fights for Delve over the years. What has been apparent afterwards is the chest-beatings of the victor stating how they won and why - and it is still continuing in this thread VASTLY exaggerated and blown out of all proportion ...by the victors. As we see in history, when the victor has the writing tools we see a very one sided view of how things happened.
However, Eve is a DB that allows matching dates with numbers, so I would like to see what happened on the relevant date with the relevant system and the relevant alliance. That would be a story!!!
Would we see overwhelming blob warfare killing PL or the Goons helping their pets out a tight spot because of the amount of ships lost? Come on you keeper of numbers - SHOW US THE FACTS!!!!!
if you want to know how they won go look up William Tecumseh Sherman and how war of attrition works... PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
28
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:24:00 -
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Degren wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Degren wrote:Correct things angry things Sounds like someone should have undocked in something besides T3s. Or, assuming you're Nulli, probably shouldn't have batphoned and chest thumped. Please, feel free to continue blaming everyone but yourselves. o7m8 You mean like PL shouldn't have batphoned you and chest thumped? Though in hindsight we should have wondered whether us batphoning our allies would be as effective as you batphoning yours... It clearly wasn't, mistakes were made and sov lost. But no sense in crying over what could have been, we have to face realities and get back on the horse from where we are right now.
Sadly (And we agree here, eww), -A- held the firm belief that sov wars are won by docking in an NPC station and never risking fleets, so of course those who actually dared undock would have even less numbers when the majority stayed in station. The small alliances who defied the overwhelming opponents - PANGU and WALLT especially - puts the rest to shame. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
804
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:30:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:if you want to know how they won go look up William Tecumseh Sherman and how war of attrition works... Did his enemies also give up after 1 week and huddle in an impregnable space station to save their assets? Why did you take my wings away? |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
158
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:37:00 -
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is it my imagination or are all the smaller alliances the ones who have really proved anything in this war? |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1827
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:40:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:stuff.
To be completely honest, a lot of us really like Wallpapers, PANGU and Nulli.
I do, especially, because the idea of flying in a spanish speaking or chinese speaking fleet is too delicious, and the three of you actually gave us fights. Wallpapers are actually ******* legit, too, I ******* love them.
We give you guys **** for batphoning because we were genuinely enjoying just fighting you guys until the **** posting started. This avatar is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
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Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
870
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:44:00 -
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So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in...
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
141
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:46:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:MeBiatch wrote:if you want to know how they won go look up William Tecumseh Sherman and how war of attrition works... Did his enemies also give up after 1 week and huddle in an impregnable space station to save their assets? The inhabitants of Georga, in that sixty mile wide path to the sea, wish they could have. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:55:00 -
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Gogela wrote:So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in...
It was two.
Solar, -A- and co. kicked them out of the east and gave them pity space in delve which they have now all but lost. |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
871
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:59:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:Gogela wrote:So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in... It was two. Solar, -A- and co. kicked them out of the east and gave them pity space in delve which they have now all but lost. Wow. If I were a betting man I would be broke. I would not have thought there would be a significant war in null sec before winter. What brought this on? What sparked this big Delve shipstorm?
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Bolow Santosi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:00:00 -
[55] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote:Like SoCo could win that war anyway. They did however win something, the "staying docked up the longest" award. i would warn ccp about getting rid of isk faucets... seems like if you are reliant on "renters" for isk then your ability to fight is not so great as you cannot take that much risk... (furhtermore the first sign of a war going wrong and the nullbears pack up and run) when tech gets nerfed i hope they do it by reactions... that way you can make your own tech with lesser moongoo... from what i can see eve the arcade game seems more fun then eve the sandbox...
The income from renters is pretty decent. The problem is how that money is managed. We choose to spend it on ship reimbursement, in house super cap subsidies and things that improve the line members quality of life.
-A- on the other hand uses it to line their own pockets and give their directorate personal titans or super carriers. On top of you know fining people for losing certain ships when the person handing out the fine lost over 7b isk 10 hours prior to his own massive stupidity. |
Y'nit Gidrine
Gold Horizons Industrial
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:05:00 -
[56] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:Gogela wrote:So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in... It was two. Solar, -A- and co. kicked them out of the east and gave them pity space in delve which they have now all but lost. Wow. If I were a betting man I would be broke. I would not have thought there would be a significant war in null sec before winter. What brought this on? What sparked this big Delve shipstorm?
Boredom. |
Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:08:00 -
[57] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:Gogela wrote:So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in... It was two. Solar, -A- and co. kicked them out of the east and gave them pity space in delve which they have now all but lost. Wow. If I were a betting man I would be broke. I would not have thought there would be a significant war in null sec before winter. What brought this on? What sparked this big Delve shipstorm?
TL;DR PL and TEST went to delve for 'gudfites' with Nulli and RA. They wouldn't fight to begin with so Test started to accidentally the region. Nulli and RA batphoned the SoCo and they took an 800 man fleet to fight PL and TEST's 300. Test went 'heh two can play at that game' and batphoned the cfc who have annihilated the SoCo at every turn.
EDIT: But yeah boredom covers it. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
964
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:08:00 -
[58] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...
so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started.
AND that's the downside of the the SOV system in eve. no reasons to not own SOV is 100's of empty systems you never use or defend. This is just a natural effect of that. The war will happen when they reach the real borders of the allaince. The rest is empty space, tech income. eve null sec warfare is wierd like that.
hopefully the winter expansion i hear has some changes to sov warfare to make it so you have a reason to own 40 systems, versus 300. You could strill moon mine in those systems and push your infulance into them by setting up POS and roams. But you shouldn't be able to get sov at such large levels. I think it's ok if the sov map in eve had large empty areas between players, that would MAKE SENSE. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:12:00 -
[59] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:MeBiatch wrote:but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...
so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started. AND that's the downside of the the SOV system in eve. no reasons to not own SOV is 100's of empty systems you never use or defend. This is just a natural effect of that. The war will happen when they reach the real borders of the allaince. The rest is empty space, tech income. eve null sec warfare is wierd like that. hopefully the winter expansion i hear has some changes to sov warfare to make it so you have a reason to own 40 systems, versus 300. You could strill moon mine in those systems and push your infulance into them by setting up POS and roams. But you shouldn't be able to get sov at such large levels. I think it's ok if the sov map in eve had large empty areas between players, that would MAKE SENSE.
Why would it make more sense than alliances owning everything they can? You don't see a no-man's-land between countries. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
804
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:12:00 -
[60] - Quote
SoCo's strategy of 'we'll take it back' relies on CFC+HB not actually, you know, filling that space with allies. Exactly like all the space we didn't fill elsewhere. Why did you take my wings away? |
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Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
874
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:15:00 -
[61] - Quote
Cameron Cahill wrote:MotherMoon wrote:MeBiatch wrote:but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...
so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started. AND that's the downside of the the SOV system in eve. no reasons to not own SOV is 100's of empty systems you never use or defend. This is just a natural effect of that. The war will happen when they reach the real borders of the allaince. The rest is empty space, tech income. eve null sec warfare is wierd like that. hopefully the winter expansion i hear has some changes to sov warfare to make it so you have a reason to own 40 systems, versus 300. You could strill moon mine in those systems and push your infulance into them by setting up POS and roams. But you shouldn't be able to get sov at such large levels. I think it's ok if the sov map in eve had large empty areas between players, that would MAKE SENSE. Why would it make more sense than alliances owning everything they can? You don't see a no-man's-land between countries. N. & S. Korea? Berlin Wall? no-man's-land will fill in between any hostile countries that don't have a MAD policy.
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Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:16:00 -
[62] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:SoCo's strategy of 'we'll take it back' relies on CFC+HB not actually, you know, filling that space with allies. Exactly like all the space we didn't fill elsewhere.
Exactly, I mean look at Branch and Tenal. No one moved in there after we took it. |
Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:18:00 -
[63] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:MotherMoon wrote:MeBiatch wrote:but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...
so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started. AND that's the downside of the the SOV system in eve. no reasons to not own SOV is 100's of empty systems you never use or defend. This is just a natural effect of that. The war will happen when they reach the real borders of the allaince. The rest is empty space, tech income. eve null sec warfare is wierd like that. hopefully the winter expansion i hear has some changes to sov warfare to make it so you have a reason to own 40 systems, versus 300. You could strill moon mine in those systems and push your infulance into them by setting up POS and roams. But you shouldn't be able to get sov at such large levels. I think it's ok if the sov map in eve had large empty areas between players, that would MAKE SENSE. Why would it make more sense than alliances owning everything they can? You don't see a no-man's-land between countries. N. & S. Korea? Berlin Wall? no-man's-land will fill in between any hostile countries that don't have a MAD policy.
Both sides still own the zone next to the border though. In eve this border is the regional stargate. |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
874
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:19:00 -
[64] - Quote
Cameron Cahill wrote:Gogela wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:MotherMoon wrote:MeBiatch wrote:but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...
so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started. AND that's the downside of the the SOV system in eve. no reasons to not own SOV is 100's of empty systems you never use or defend. This is just a natural effect of that. The war will happen when they reach the real borders of the allaince. The rest is empty space, tech income. eve null sec warfare is wierd like that. hopefully the winter expansion i hear has some changes to sov warfare to make it so you have a reason to own 40 systems, versus 300. You could strill moon mine in those systems and push your infulance into them by setting up POS and roams. But you shouldn't be able to get sov at such large levels. I think it's ok if the sov map in eve had large empty areas between players, that would MAKE SENSE. Why would it make more sense than alliances owning everything they can? You don't see a no-man's-land between countries. N. & S. Korea? Berlin Wall? no-man's-land will fill in between any hostile countries that don't have a MAD policy. Both sides still own the zone next to the border though. In eve this border is the regional stargate. Yah.... that's a good point. I guess it's not a good analogy.
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:27:00 -
[65] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:SoCo's strategy of 'we'll take it back' relies on CFC+HB not actually, you know, filling that space with allies. Exactly like all the space we didn't fill elsewhere. So, which pets allies get Delve?
EDIT: or are you just going to carve it up into little dachas / country cottages? "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
804
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:31:00 -
[66] - Quote
Probably not the Great Worker's Union of Aliastra, sorry. Why did you take my wings away? |
Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:33:00 -
[67] - Quote
Mortimer Civeri wrote:KrakizBad wrote:SoCo's strategy of 'we'll take it back' relies on CFC+HB not actually, you know, filling that space with allies. Exactly like all the space we didn't fill elsewhere. So, which pets allies get Delve? EDIT: or are you just going to carve it up into little dachas / country cottages?
No idea TEST are distributing it as they see fit. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
964
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:42:00 -
[68] - Quote
Cameron Cahill wrote:MotherMoon wrote:MeBiatch wrote:but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...
so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started. AND that's the downside of the the SOV system in eve. no reasons to not own SOV is 100's of empty systems you never use or defend. This is just a natural effect of that. The war will happen when they reach the real borders of the allaince. The rest is empty space, tech income. eve null sec warfare is wierd like that. hopefully the winter expansion i hear has some changes to sov warfare to make it so you have a reason to own 40 systems, versus 300. You could strill moon mine in those systems and push your infulance into them by setting up POS and roams. But you shouldn't be able to get sov at such large levels. I think it's ok if the sov map in eve had large empty areas between players, that would MAKE SENSE. Why would it make more sense than alliances owning everything they can? You don't see a no-man's-land between countries.
Yeah that's the point though, in eve you DO see a "no-man's-land between countries" it's just empty system after empty system. That's not what you see real counties doing in real life. People live in and use every area they can, unless it's unlivable. But in eve we don't have that problem.
The fact of the matter is that people just take systems without any intent to defend them, or use them. Because there is no downside to it. So it leaves all of 0.0 choked up and smaller alliances can't fill in the no mans land. If you had to actually defend and hold space to get that sweet sweet moon tech income, then eve could be an exciting battlefield in null sec again.
Basiclly saying , hey you need sov to mine moons. And then setting goals on how to take sov. basically require some build up and infrastructure before the map says "you own this space"
Then when you get more members you can expand your empire, and so on. Every system would be full of people, but empty systems would fall because you can't just passively gain sov in my dream version of eve online. you have to live in your space. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:46:00 -
[69] - Quote
Degren wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Degren wrote:Correct things angry things Sounds like someone should have undocked in something besides T3s. Or, assuming you're Nulli, probably shouldn't have batphoned and chest thumped. Please, feel free to continue blaming everyone but yourselves. o7m8
Sounds like someone should stop assuming I am a member of any party in this war.
Then maybe your posts would be worth the time to read.
m8m8m8m8ohseven
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:51:00 -
[70] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics. or it means they could of brought out just as many ships and DEFENDED THEMSELVES. The fix isn't some buff or game design change. It's working as intended. You have to actually defend your systems! gasps! over expanding shouldn't be safe. They are eating undefended systems, of course it's easy.
So what you are saying is they should nerf jump bridges and capital/super jump range. That would help not over extend themselves.
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
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Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:52:00 -
[71] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:MotherMoon wrote:MeBiatch wrote:but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...
so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started. AND that's the downside of the the SOV system in eve. no reasons to not own SOV is 100's of empty systems you never use or defend. This is just a natural effect of that. The war will happen when they reach the real borders of the allaince. The rest is empty space, tech income. eve null sec warfare is wierd like that. hopefully the winter expansion i hear has some changes to sov warfare to make it so you have a reason to own 40 systems, versus 300. You could strill moon mine in those systems and push your infulance into them by setting up POS and roams. But you shouldn't be able to get sov at such large levels. I think it's ok if the sov map in eve had large empty areas between players, that would MAKE SENSE. Why would it make more sense than alliances owning everything they can? You don't see a no-man's-land between countries. Yeah that's the point though, in eve you DO see a "no-man's-land between countries" it's just empty system after empty system. That's not what you see real counties doing in real life. People live in and use every area they can, unless it's unlivable. But in eve we don't have that problem. The fact of the matter is that people just take systems without any intent to defend them, or use them. Because there is no downside to it. So it leaves all of 0.0 choked up and smaller alliances can't fill in the no mans land. If you had to actually defend and hold space to get that sweet sweet moon tech income, then eve could be an exciting battlefield in null sec again. Basiclly saying , hey you need sov to mine moons. And then setting goals on how to take sov. basically require some build up and infrastructure before the map says "you own this space" Then when you get more members you can expand your empire, and so on. Every system would be full of people, but empty systems would fall because you can't just passively gain sov in my dream version of eve online. you have to live in your space.
Full systems are a nightmare to actually live in though we prefer having 5 people in 10 systems over 50 in one. You're vision is fin but you're ideal population density is miles off.
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Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:52:00 -
[72] - Quote
triple posting like a boss. Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:53:00 -
[73] - Quote
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics. or it means they could of brought out just as many ships and DEFENDED THEMSELVES. The fix isn't some buff or game design change. It's working as intended. You have to actually defend your systems! gasps! over expanding shouldn't be safe. They are eating undefended systems, of course it's easy. So what you are saying is they should nerf jump bridges and capital/super jump range. That would help not over extend themselves.
Did we gank your hulk or something? You seem angry brother. |
Nex apparatu5
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
305
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Posted - 2012.07.12 23:18:00 -
[74] - Quote
Mortimer Civeri wrote:KrakizBad wrote:SoCo's strategy of 'we'll take it back' relies on CFC+HB not actually, you know, filling that space with allies. Exactly like all the space we didn't fill elsewhere. So, which allies get Delve?
TASHA and 99% will get their share for fighting alongside us. Goons will get some systems to stage out of for stomping -A- and to extend the Eye of Terror. PL may or may not take some sov. Hell, xXDeathXx might get some sov too, not like we don't have room.
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darmwand
Repo.
60
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Posted - 2012.07.12 23:56:00 -
[75] - Quote
Damn, this actually sounds like fun. Are there any decently-written blogs that follow the events and possibly give some background information to people that are not particularly familiar with null-sec politics? Maybe with some background information on the different power blocks? darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
804
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Posted - 2012.07.13 00:12:00 -
[76] - Quote
darmwand wrote:Damn, this actually sounds like fun. Are there any decently-written blogs that follow the events and possibly give some background information to people that are not particularly familiar with null-sec politics? Maybe with some background information on the different power blocks? Yes, read this: http://www.evenews24.com/2012/07/07/elise-randolph-regional-update-soco-failure-the-fall-of-delve/ Why did you take my wings away? |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2012.07.13 00:12:00 -
[77] - Quote
Cebraio wrote:I'm not a fan of blob warfare, but it's actually pretty impressive to see the speed of sov changes on dotlan. Edit: I mean especially looking at the map.
That's nothing compared to the speed they lost Delve when they forgot to pay their bills. |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
874
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Posted - 2012.07.13 00:36:00 -
[78] - Quote
I still can't believe something like this happened in the Summer
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darmwand
Repo.
60
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Posted - 2012.07.13 00:56:00 -
[79] - Quote
Thanks, great writeup, and wow, this is some crazy stuff that you people in null are getting yourselves into. I'll have to keep following this while I try to steer my little frigate through lowsec, pretending not to be at least slightly jealous darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1828
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Posted - 2012.07.13 01:14:00 -
[80] - Quote
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:abloobllooooo
Worthy enough to get a response, friend alt.
Attn Nulli, Wallpapers and PANGU: Seriously, no hard feelings. I had some seriously good convos with some of you folks. Except for your whole military ranking thing, Nulli, thats just awful. Really bad. But your people are mostly great.
-A- though...holy mother of **** you guys are just ****** people.
Stop following Makalu, I refuse to believe thats the best you guys have. There are quite a few of you. This avatar is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
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Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
51
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Posted - 2012.07.13 01:39:00 -
[81] - Quote
Cameron Cahill wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics. or it means they could of brought out just as many ships and DEFENDED THEMSELVES. The fix isn't some buff or game design change. It's working as intended. You have to actually defend your systems! gasps! over expanding shouldn't be safe. They are eating undefended systems, of course it's easy. So what you are saying is they should nerf jump bridges and capital/super jump range. That would help not over extend themselves. Did we gank your hulk or something? You seem angry brother.
thats a lot of words for a u mad post. please try to be edgier and less meme, and no, you havent blown up my hulk due to my lack of mining skills.
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
179
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Posted - 2012.07.13 03:53:00 -
[82] - Quote
Lol, Testies taking credit for something they were totally incapable of doing for themselves....well played kids, well played...
"CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature." |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
965
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Posted - 2012.07.13 09:25:00 -
[83] - Quote
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics. or it means they could of brought out just as many ships and DEFENDED THEMSELVES. The fix isn't some buff or game design change. It's working as intended. You have to actually defend your systems! gasps! over expanding shouldn't be safe. They are eating undefended systems, of course it's easy. So what you are saying is they should nerf jump bridges and capital/super jump range. That would help not over extend themselves.
Oh I think lots of things, I've got like 20 pages of sketch book with mock ups of a new SOV system, and new rules, like jump bridges being something only deployable in a system where you've gained sov 4 and worked with dust players to build that sweet sweet space elevator. The idea being that each constellation in eve should be treated as a control point. Not just per system. With border systems and core systems.
Allainces should be able to capture all regional gates in my design to lock down the 1st level of system control. Treating regional gates more like pos, where you put up a TCU, but behind the regional gates shield. 3 TCUs on each regional gate for so many hours and you claim the most basic constellation control and can mine moons and such.
Tie system control to planets instead of moons
Set one planets per constellation as the "core" planet. One thing I like about space is planets that support life are rare. And would be so in eve as well. Also different types of planets have different numbers of moons. Gas giants should have the highest moon counts, while barren planets should have basically none.
Because that's how it really works.
The idea being that finding a terra planet in null sec should be hard, and this planet should be key to SOV control. PLUS it makes it easy to fit dust into it, since we all know it's coming wether we like it or not. With only one planet being fought over for control points and districts per constellation, it creates natural HQs. Plus only that single system would be the one with WiS when it comes around one day. It's been confrimed that dust and eve players will be able to both meet in person in stations. With only a single areas to do eve/dust interactions, it becomes easier to see it's effect, easier to control.
Plus it's more fun than endless pos bashing!
The idea gets more complex with planets being the tech income, and POS being used to mine H3 as fuel for the system infrastructure, the more moons you have, the more tech you can mine at the planet. If the enemy harrases your moons, gets in the way of NPC convoys bring the H3 to and from the moon POS, *or it can be players that have to move it still a target* you can cuase the system to cost more fuel than the fuel income.
Basically kinda taking some hints from the eve game slay, and putting it back in sov warfare.
It'll be more clear when I make my shiny after effects video with female voice over work : ) Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
965
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Posted - 2012.07.13 09:28:00 -
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OH and one more thing, any already existing jump bridges, in my opinion should stay forever.
I mean one per constellation. If you come into an empty system no one has control over, but there is ajump bridge there connected to another un owned system, you should be able to use those jump gates. That way null sec over time gets built up.
same with outposts, if an outpost is in an empty system it becomes a Outlaw outpost. where anyone can dock, and anyone can kill each other.
Cameron Cahill
Quote:idea is fine but population density is way off
your 100% right. I don't mean to think we should cram 300 players into a system. I'm only targeting those systems that allready have NO ONE in them ever.
bring it down to 10 players per system, 80-90 players per constellation. If you have a 900 man alliance owning 9 constellations should be good. Don't forget how big eve really is. And if it's not, then it should expand UP. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
The Old Chap
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2012.07.13 09:50:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:highonpop wrote:Nex apparatu5 wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:Cebraio wrote:I'm not a fan of blob warfare, but it's actually pretty impressive to see the speed of sov changes on dotlan. Edit: I mean especially looking at the map. I see TEST pretty much sweep the place. I wonder, from the remaining players in Delve, who's with TEST and who's against. Anybody could provide update on that based on the dotlan map? The enemies of Test at this point have pretty much split. Nulli/HUN/VCUZ/Pengu evacuated to lowsec and are planning on moving west, abandoning their sov. RA is essentially dead. Solar never really deployed in the first place, they're still doing their own thing. Raiden/Init were kinda halfhearted from the beginning, they are back in their own space. WALLPAPERS still hold T-IP, and have fought like lions, but unfortunately will still lose their sov. Hopefully they take space and keep growing, they're a great bunch of dudes. -A- has basically abandoned the fight entirely and have started evacuating to NPC space in anticipation of losing their sov. They've decided to take the stance of "don't fight, they'll get bored and go home" Nulli and friends can't move west. If you look at physical map of eve, "west" is fountain. -A- gave up after they lost their loki fleet in about 30 seconds. East, not west. I'm terrible at space directions.
LOL my GF usually has the map upside down too!
Look into my eyes...-á-á and tighten that sphincter, kid. |
Servjen
Industrial and Mining Enterprises
4
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Posted - 2012.07.13 12:29:00 -
[86] - Quote
Gogela wrote:So I've been seeing huge plumes of destruction on my map and I'm hearing a lot of conflicting rumors about what exactly is happening in Delve. Is it true that the Goons control most of nullsec in eve (over 50%?!). Is SoCo dead? Did they break up? Can anyone give me a brief synopsis of what happened?
Thanks for any replies...
I don't care as long as i make money out of it. Go Go TEST. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1949
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Posted - 2012.07.13 12:36:00 -
[87] - Quote
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote: Typical response from an alliance that has always been someone elses pet.
Funny you say that about TEST's war. TEST invited the goons to join our war, not vice versa.
Also, RE: the war in Delve, basically, the CFC yet again annihilated an enemy who was convinced we were bad at this game. It really is nice to have a reputation of being terrible, everyone underestimates you so consistently, and its so crushing to their morale to lose every major engagement against "terrible players". TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1949
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Posted - 2012.07.13 12:37:00 -
[88] - Quote
Kuehnelt wrote:Degren wrote:Let me repeat that.
-A-'s strategy was to stay docked and let us get bored.
Makalu's strategy was to stay docked and let us get bored. *snort* You should listen to your enemies instead of your leaders.
we recorded those, you know. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1949
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Posted - 2012.07.13 12:39:00 -
[89] - Quote
Gogela wrote:You know what really struck me on that influence map? Against All Authorities. Man do they have staying power.... hat's off to you gents o7
The pain train hasn't reached their space yet. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
192
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Posted - 2012.07.13 12:42:00 -
[90] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote: Typical response from an alliance that has always been someone elses pet.
Funny you say that about TEST's war. TEST invited the goons to join our war, not vice versa. Also, RE: the war in Delve, basically, the CFC yet again annihilated an enemy who was convinced we were bad at this game. It really is nice to have a reputation of being terrible, everyone underestimates you so consistently, and its so crushing to their morale to lose every major engagement against "terrible players".
But their killboard's green. It was a moral victory. |
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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.07.13 12:52:00 -
[91] - Quote
Haquer wrote:Cebraio wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:We're on the highway to hell. Hiiiighwaaaay toooo theeee danger zoooneeee Top Gun == 80s gay movie You take that back.
What's wrong, Archer? We all know you aren't like that. Well, ok, there was that one time with that Cuban dissident that Castro tried to have killed... A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
30
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Posted - 2012.07.13 12:53:00 -
[92] - Quote
Aruken Marr wrote:But their killboard's green. It was a moral victory. -A- can stick their green killboards up so far their behinds that only 18+ tonnes trucks can ever get it back.
Anything else you'd want to know about -A- killboards? |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1949
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Posted - 2012.07.13 12:56:00 -
[93] - Quote
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Haquer wrote:Cebraio wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:We're on the highway to hell. Hiiiighwaaaay toooo theeee danger zoooneeee Top Gun == 80s gay movie You take that back. What's wrong, Archer? We all know you aren't like that. Well, ok, there was that one time with that Cuban dissident that Castro tried to have killed...
DANGER ZONE! TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
193
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Posted - 2012.07.13 13:00:00 -
[94] - Quote
Alphea Abbra wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:But their killboard's green. It was a moral victory. -A- can stick their green killboards up so far their behinds that only 18+ tonnes trucks can ever get it back. Anything else you'd want to know about -A- killboards?
Do I detect some love loss between you guys and -A-? What happened? I live under a rock you see. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
30
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Posted - 2012.07.13 13:08:00 -
[95] - Quote
Aruken Marr wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:But their killboard's green. It was a moral victory. -A- can stick their green killboards up so far their behinds that only 18+ tonnes trucks can ever get it back. Anything else you'd want to know about -A- killboards? Do I detect some love loss between you guys and -A-? What happened? I live under a rock you see. It also has something to do with -A- standing down fleets in order to keep their killboards green, and some other stuff as well, and the "dock up, hide beneath the blankets, and the bogeymen can't touch you". Which is true, we were docked up after all, but you could touch our stuff. |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.07.13 13:25:00 -
[96] - Quote
So, GoOns beat the game? GoOns win? Okay, we can all quit now since the winner has been announced. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
194
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:03:00 -
[97] - Quote
Alphea Abbra wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:But their killboard's green. It was a moral victory. -A- can stick their green killboards up so far their behinds that only 18+ tonnes trucks can ever get it back. Anything else you'd want to know about -A- killboards? Do I detect some love loss between you guys and -A-? What happened? I live under a rock you see. It also has something to do with -A- standing down fleets in order to keep their killboards green, and some other stuff as well, and the "dock up, hide beneath the blankets, and the bogeymen can't touch you". Which is true, we were docked up after all, but you could touch our stuff.
I guess that's the problem when your friends care more about their precious K/D than they do about having fun, you, your space or their own space for than matter.
Don't worry. We'll drag them through the dirt for you. |
Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:15:00 -
[98] - Quote
Aruken Marr wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:But their killboard's green. It was a moral victory. -A- can stick their green killboards up so far their behinds that only 18+ tonnes trucks can ever get it back. Anything else you'd want to know about -A- killboards? Do I detect some love loss between you guys and -A-? What happened? I live under a rock you see.
-A- left Nulli out to dry and now that Nulli have lost all their sov they're moving to faction warfare. |
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:43:00 -
[99] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote: Typical response from an alliance that has always been someone elses pet.
Funny you say that about TEST's war. TEST invited the goons to join our war, not vice versa. Also, RE: the war in Delve, basically, the CFC yet again annihilated an enemy who was convinced we were bad at this game. It really is nice to have a reputation of being terrible, everyone underestimates you so consistently, and its so crushing to their morale to lose every major engagement against "terrible players".
Actually it was Pet Legions war. They batphoned you, then you called your masters because you didn't out number them 3-1.
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
Bolow Santosi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:48:00 -
[100] - Quote
I guess -A- showing up and dumping 800 people in system to defend a CSAA was a figment of their imagination. Not our problem they can't/won't form that number consistently. |
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Beckie DeLey
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:11:00 -
[101] - Quote
Kuehnelt wrote:You should listen to your enemies instead of your leaders.
Oh man. That SoCo FC has to be the most unpleasant person to ever play a videogame.
With these comms out there for everyone, how can people still think of the goons as the bad ones? I mean, come on. How pityful and devoid of any selfrespect does a person have to be to join a spaceship game only to fly under such ridiculous pieces of dregs like this Maka guy?
Keep up fighting the good fight, TEST and Goons, until you purged every one of these soulless fun-haters from the game. Kudos for actually having fun playing this game. You rock. It's The Legendary Extraordinary Me |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
779
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:43:00 -
[102] - Quote
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics.
Not really. It was a blend of SoCo not giving a **** about Sov and the CFC bringing the highest DPS ever applied to structure bashing.
Still not over though ... there's all of querious and period basis for them to take so the record is still in the air =) The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
knobber Jobbler
195
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:49:00 -
[103] - Quote
Alphea Abbra wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:But their killboard's green. It was a moral victory. -A- can stick their green killboards up so far their behinds that only 18+ tonnes trucks can ever get it back. Anything else you'd want to know about -A- killboards?
I'll give it to nulli, you guys at least fought back with some semblance of effort. Your allies on the other hand...treated you guys like a meat shield. Sadly nulli leaders don't see it like that, at least reading soco leadership chat logs. Best -A- can hope for is we get bored or they can entice solar to help them. There pet renters sure won't. |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
779
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:55:00 -
[104] - Quote
I'd love to hear from people criticizing alliances such as nulli and my own what they would do in our place. Really, being honest here. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:01:00 -
[105] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:I'd love to hear from people criticizing alliances such as nulli and my own what they would do in our place. Really, being honest here. Undock. |
Bolow Santosi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:02:00 -
[106] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:I'd love to hear from people criticizing alliances such as nulli and my own what they would do in our place. Really, being honest here.
Don't get help from a bunch of delusional idiots who have no idea how to run an alliance or coalition. That would've been an excellent start. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
179
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:05:00 -
[107] - Quote
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:I'd love to hear from people criticizing alliances such as nulli and my own what they would do in our place. Really, being honest here. Undock.
Are you mad that they didnt ? |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
779
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:11:00 -
[108] - Quote
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:I'd love to hear from people criticizing alliances such as nulli and my own what they would do in our place. Really, being honest here. Undock.
Just did. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
779
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:14:00 -
[109] - Quote
Bolow Santosi wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:I'd love to hear from people criticizing alliances such as nulli and my own what they would do in our place. Really, being honest here. Don't get help from a bunch of delusional idiots who have no idea how to run an alliance or coalition. That would've been an excellent start.
So whose help would you try to get, if any?! The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Janeos
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:50:00 -
[110] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Bolow Santosi wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:I'd love to hear from people criticizing alliances such as nulli and my own what they would do in our place. Really, being honest here. Don't get help from a bunch of delusional idiots who have no idea how to run an alliance or coalition. That would've been an excellent start. So whose help would you try to get, if any?! You might want to ask the Wallpapers. They're hard as coffin nails. |
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Nex apparatu5
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
307
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:51:00 -
[111] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Bolow Santosi wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:I'd love to hear from people criticizing alliances such as nulli and my own what they would do in our place. Really, being honest here. Don't get help from a bunch of delusional idiots who have no idea how to run an alliance or coalition. That would've been an excellent start. So whose help would you try to get, if any?!
The CFC offered to help you take -A- space to live in but stay neutral for ~gudfites~, but you guys wouldn't backstab -A- despite them being ****** allies because of e-honour
Edit: Also ******* Wallpapers are Spartans |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
808
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:01:00 -
[112] - Quote
Serious respect to Wallpapers, we should just leave them their Sov. Why did you take my wings away? |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:02:00 -
[113] - Quote
I realized my last post was a little flippant, for which I apologize. An honest question deserves an honest answer, and if it wasn't an honest question, well, you're getting an honest answer anyway. Nullsec wars aren't fought for (or won by) isk, sov, or killboards. It's about morale, prestige, and pride - hence the often hilariously minor slights that spark incredibly resilient blood feuds. As such, the loss of sov itself isn't a huge blow - sov, while nice, offers no overwhelming benefit, as any lowsec alliance will attest. The reason nullsec alliances hold sov is that holding sov is what nullsec alliances do. WIthout sov, you're not a true nullsec alliance, and therefore not important to nullsec politics. (There are exceptions, but I would think their rarity and notability would make it clear they prove the rule.)
The SoCo leaders accurately realized what this war wasn't about (sov), but completely failed to miss what it WAS about. Realizing their own willingness to commit and their relative numbers, they decided the war was unwinnable in terms of direct combat. I'm sure they know their own alliance better than me, so they were probably right. But their strategy of 'blueballing' and refusing to undock was complete folly. I'm frankly amazed they so completely misunderstood the CFC and HBC mindset to think that it was a good strategy.
Leaving aside the final stage of the plan (wait for the DelveJam forces to get bored and go home) hasn't taken place yet - which, I might add, I expect the SoCo leaders will be sorely disappointed in terms of northern bloody mindedness - they've already concede a huge victory for absolutely no reason. Some of you have pointed at the loss of morale from structure grinds, blue balls, and lack of any real fights. You completely missed the huge coup scored in terms of morale and prestige in protraying us as the unstoppable gods of the North, whose mere rumor of deployment causes a panicked retreat to NPC space, and who in a few short days rule the field.
You see why this would stoke our ego, right? Perhaps it's not completely true, but it's not difficult at all to mold the facts to fit this narrative, and that's effectively the same thing.
Which, if you pardon my digression, brings me back to my original post - you should have undocked. Not because I think you would have fought us off, I doubt you could succeed in that if your own leaders have already decided it was a pipe dream. But because through easy, cheap fleet compositions, you could have caused no small amount of annoyance - turning the unopposed steamroll into something closer to the much mocked ~wulfpax~ guerrilla war. T1 cruiser fleets are cheap and easily replaced, and have to be treated with as much caution by sieged dreads as a loki or tengu fleet. You could have easily run daily harrassment ops with these disposable fleets. You would lose MAYBE two billion isk for welping a drake fleet, and would have easily extended the war a week. A halfway decent commitment of supercapitals in low-risk situations, and it could have been a month, easily. An entire month where you lose nothing that line members could rat up in a few hours, commit to fights entirely on your own terms, and finangle the occasional hilariously painful welp. If you don't believe me, just look at the Wallrippers.
If your alliance leaders accepted that defeat was a foregone conclusion, why didn't they make it a Pyrrhic victory? Why didn't they boost member morale with active and ultimately painless resistance? Why did they let us win an overwhelming propaganda victory at practically no cost?
Moreover, there's the issues of coalition politics. When fighting a war where you had no stake in victory, the advantage was entirely on your side. You could have fostered cross-corp relationships - having your line members fly with ally FCs, and grow that valuable cult of personality that gets people to X up. You could have improved coalition communication. Heck, you practically had a practice war to breed a new crop of bloc FCs! And if you lost, well - throw out a billion isk in reimbursement, and remind everybody that you were never going to win anyway, so who gives a toss about a few dead omens, or hurricanes, or drakes, or whatever you got killed.
Meanwhile, on the other side, you gave us an easy, ego-boosting war to patch up any cracks that might have appeared between the CFC and the HBC. That, alone, is probably the most hilariously stupid thing your leaders did. You had a small, supposedly buried, but still not altogether forgetten rivalry between two powerful alliances, and you gave them an overwhelmingly successful joint campaign to patch it up over. Everybody is friendly when everything is going well. The old rivalry is all but forgotten. Shadoo has renewed and strengthened his cult of personality among the CFC line members. Countless newbie FCs have gotten to take out strategic fleets with their training wheels on, achieving victory and defeat with no long term consequences. Pay attention to the name of those newbie FCs, by the way. They'll be leading bloc-level fleets in the next major war.
So yeah, you stayed docked, gave us a huge propaganda victory that we can crow about for the next nine months, healed an old rivalry that threatened to one day destroy the bropact, and provided a training grounds for the future military leaders of the CFC and HBC coalitions, and ultimately gambled that we'll get bored and not give the space to competent allies. Next time, I would suggest undocking. |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:09:00 -
[114] - Quote
PS I have asperger's. |
Caldari Acolyte
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:09:00 -
[115] - Quote
Only thing happening here is the biggest example of game imbalance ever seen in Eveonline, one side controls all the TEC otherside dosen't, rest you be able to figure out. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
196
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:12:00 -
[116] - Quote
Caldari Acolyte wrote:Only thing happening here is the biggest example of game imbalance ever seen in Eveonline, one side controls all the TEC otherside dosen't, rest you be able to figure out.
I'm not sure tech has a lot to do with it really. More like numbers and willingness to fight tbh. They wouldnt lose systems half as fast if they actually fought for them. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
808
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:25:00 -
[117] - Quote
Caldari Acolyte wrote:Only thing happening here is the biggest example of game imbalance ever seen in Eveonline, one side controls all the TEC otherside dosen't, rest you be able to figure out. Tech only incidentally mattered here when our enemies decided that their preferred combat ships for their line members were 500M each. Ours are 50. Why did you take my wings away? |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
780
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:39:00 -
[118] - Quote
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Post.
So ok then. "Undock".
While i could grab more kill-mails and reference all the times that we did, in fact, undock, i have the feeling that it would be a better idea to ask for specific times and situations where you believe that we should have undocked but remained inside the station.
But still, asking what you would do in our place is not a question that i expect an answer to, because while you can be honest on your answer its oh so very difficult to be true. People can't really imagine themselves on another man's shoe because they rarely have all the relevant information that they need to pass true judgement.
What this means on this case is that undocking a ship just to whelp it is a lot easier when you are not broke. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:52:00 -
[119] - Quote
Hey, I'm drunk, lazy, and on vacation. Somebody link to the soundcloud of Mala refusing to undock his loki fleet for two hours while we burned down sov. Or the pos.jpeg from oh, July 9th. Or, you know, a dotlan map of Delve. Or the Day Five commander channel intel leak, about a half hour in IIRC.
The fact of the matter is, sov mechanics favor the defender, but I don't think we missed a single timer. You can try to spin it, you can ignore your own leaders' orders, you can demand that I prove a negative, but the fact remains. You guys, as a conscious strategic decision, decided to stay docked, and I think it was a bad decision. |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:56:00 -
[120] - Quote
Also asking "Honest question, what would you do in our place" and then claiming that I can't tell you what I would have done in your place because I'm not you makes me think you weren't actually asking an honest question.
But maybe I wrong. Like I said, drunk, lazy, aspergers. |
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Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
127
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:56:00 -
[121] - Quote
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:You see why this would stoke our ego, right? Perhaps it's not completely true, but it's not difficult at all to mold the facts to fit this narrative, and that's effectively the same thing.
It's a good thing that nobody will ever summarize Delve like this:
1. TEST failed, then noticed that someone said meeeeeaaan things about TEST, then fell to the floor and wailed like a toddler. New strategic goal: take these three regions. For this reason: **** YOUUUUUUU.
2. CFC decided that the best way to take these regions for crybaby TEST was to do it as easily as possible: so, as much as possible, without fighting anything. So, fleet doctrine: maintain 3-1/4-1 odds, and punish the enemy for any decision to engage. There's a blob 3x their number at the undock? And they're engaging?! Light that cyno for dreads.. Com spy says they're about to undock? Into this?! We need more people nao. Bridge more in. We need a huge local spike.
3. Of course, to actively not-fight is boring as ****. And being a meatshield is not humiliating like "being +1 in local so that they won't fight us" is. People may propose alternative plans that are more likely to yield fights, like half of this blob ******* off. People may come onto the forums and whine (seriously, not for propaganda purposes) that they're not being engaged. People who are perhaps too brainwashed may popularize recordings of SoCo comms in which please-don't-engage-us manoeuveurs are always what the CFC is doing, whilst the alleged "we-just-stay-docked" faction are always appalled by this.
4. Thus, the heavy propaganda (mainly for your own members' consumption, but also to poison what rubes of the enemy coalition it finds), the quick digression to the next war which surely won't suck like this one, and... well, I'm still waiting for the next bit. Given that TEST space may as well display as 'Unclaimed' by how controlled it is, what do you plan to say when the blob really does recede and the space really is lost?
Anyway, for anyone for whom the spy comms are tldl, listen only to http://soundcloud.com/dariush_records/ra-meeting-07-07 . Not because it supports what I say above, but because it's totally awesome. Little gem in there: real allies, who are separate sovereigns and not one of them the pet of the other, are allies for a given end and will reset standings after that end. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
77
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:04:00 -
[122] - Quote
I love how butthurt SoCo supporters always conviniently ignore their 800 man blobbing of 200 man TEST fleets pre-CFC intervention when crying about how unfair this war was. Maybe if they spent less time pissing each other off and more time actually fighting, this war would have had a different end. Or more likely, would still be on going. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
32
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:21:00 -
[123] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:So ok then. "Undock".
While i could grab more kill-mails and reference all the times that we did, in fact, undock, i have the feeling that it would be a better idea to ask for specific times and situations where you believe that we should have undocked but remained inside the station.
But still, asking what you would do in our place is not a question that i expect an answer to, because while you can be honest on your answer its oh so very difficult to be true. People can't really imagine themselves on another man's shoe because they rarely have all the relevant information that they need to pass true judgement.
What this means on this case is that undocking a ship just to whelp it is a lot easier when you are not broke. I'm a volunteer armchair general with a 30-second online course, and I too think that it would have been better to die fighting than to die docked. Let's examine our options when both SoCo and CFC were involved (Around the time where RA lost their staging system to insider and the station was flipped by PL): As far as I can see, we had essentially 4 different options, all other options were variations or mixtures: 1) We could fight. That meant taking the timers, that meant dying lots and winning some, with the risk of losing sov, SRP & morale, and with the opportunity to push back, gain sov and destroy enemy morale. 2) We could dock up in unconquerable stations (Blueball etc). That meant losing sov and morale without having reasonable opportunities to regain it, and with PvP'ers docked up in a station in Delve it also meant that roaming CFC gangs in Querious or Period Basis would be pretty unopposed. 3) Pull out (To NPC 0.0 or to low-sec). That meant evacuating as many assets as possible and then drop sov to spare sov bills. It would probably also have meant to halt the CFC advance as long as possible to give time to pull out assets and capitals. 4) Surrender. To me, that would have been utterly disgusting.
For me, the morale loss from joining a fleet and some time later leave it because we're standing down is worse than joining a fleet and dying in a fire. I died vaingloriously in two Hurricanes when it was clear that the battle essentially was lost, because I'd rather die in them than sell them and run away without giving it a last fight. I don't think I was the only one. Fighting CFC in Delve would, no matter the outcome, have held the attacks on sov in Querious and PB for longer. I don't think it is unreasonable to state that when the RA station was flipped that SoCo could still fight, and still had opportunities to bring the fight to Fountain. What I am trying to say here is that if we had the ability to replay from that day and until now, basing each replay on my 4 different options, the only two options that would have the possibility of different outcomes would be 1) and 4) (Though at that time I would guess that 4) would be the same as 3), except a CFC mandated evac-timer). 1) had the chance of winning, while all the risks were either identical to the three others or it even diminished those risks. In the end, if I am going to die, be cast out to roam Nod, the land East of Eden, I'd rather be remembered by the victors as a worthy and at some points dangerous opponent, a real threat, than something like "Hey, what was that speed bump?" It's not something about internet honour or #### like that - it's about what I think is fun. In Nordic mythology (Asatru), those who die in their bed are sentenced to Hel (Unless they die in bed because of wounds attracted in combat), while those who die in combat have the chance of going to Valhalla. So dying in combat has the risks and the chances, while dying in bed has only the risks. To me, that choice is relatively easy.
So in the end, I wish CFC good luck in Catch. May you and -A- utterly destroy each other, or something else. That would just be the bitter irony of karma. |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
784
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:49:00 -
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Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Also asking "Honest question, what would you do in our place" and then claiming that I can't tell you what I would have done in your place because I'm not you makes me think you weren't actually asking an honest question.
But maybe I wrong. Like I said, drunk, lazy, aspergers.
Yeah in hindsight i should have made it more clear that this was a question that i simply wanted you to ask yourselves.
Also I thought you meant undocking for the skirmishes at 319.
If you meant "stay docked" as in "allow for all the sov to be steamrolled" without giving a fight then yes, that is true. The SoCo as a whole did that, refusing to give you guys any fight whatsoever. And honestly i will not pass judgement on that call because i don't know about all the factors that led our "leaders" to that decision. I don't really know what they were looking to accomplish with that and whether they did/are accomplishing it or not. What i do hear is that the general philosophy is "You want to fight, we'll fight. You want to take sov just because, **** you.".
I will not presume to talk about everyone else on this coalition about this philosophy and whether they follow it as best as possible or not, but my alliance follows it and i agree with it. If you want to fight, we will give you fights. If you want to take our sov because you need it, we'll give you fights for it even if we can't possibly win. But If you want to take sov "just because", and we can't possibly defend it then no, we will not give a fight for it.
You can spin it the way you want, but at the end of the day this is not our actual home we are defending and "e-honor" only goes so far when dictating how i enjoy the game that i pay for every month. I have fun fighting on equal grounds, i have fun fighting a worthy foe and dying to them knowing i did my best even if its 100:1. That is the spirit of the game, where people can have fun even when they are on the losing side. You win some you lose some ...
However the Goonswarm Federation (and those playing with it) have went out of their way to make fighting against it one of the most unpleasant experiences in this game. You have done such a good job at making sure that everyone hates you that now people hate even being on the same system as you are, so they will only "play" with you if they absolutely HAVE to, and people only "absolutely HAVE" to play against you if they know that they have any hopes of winning. That is why up until now you guys managed to get good fights despite yourselves. That was OK when you guys were the underdogs.
But now you are the "Gods of EVE", and there's no hope of ever winning anything against you unless you willingly handicap yourselves. Why should anyone fight you? To defend our "e-honor"?! You have just dismissed e-honor (and rightfully so in my opinion). To defend Sov?! You have also just dismissed "holding sov" as something of value. To give you good fights?! You have made sure that we hate you, and we won't give good fights to people that we hate.
So truly. You have beaten us and everyone else at this game. The south coalition is beaten, the DRF is an afterthought, Pandemic Legion are your friends now. The only people standing against you only have one system and a few cruisers to spare. Nobody else has the morale or the desire to fight you. I'll then say as honestly as i can, congratulations. You guys sit alone, uncontested, as the Kings of EVE.
No, i won't give any smarmy remarks. No sarcasm. This is it. You have beaten EVE. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1834
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:50:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:So much TEST hate
Did we refuse your app or something? This avatar is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
127
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:58:00 -
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Degren wrote:PS read Alphea Abbra's post right below yours.
His unironically very butthurt post that assails my zero references to fairness in war? Yeah, I read that. I'm not surprised that you find it a compelling rebuttal.
Since I felt like repyling to that, here's a reply to the rest of your post: Stop liking my posts to get my attention. This is not reddit. I say negative things about TEST because I believe the negative things I say to be both true and apt. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1834
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:00:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Degren wrote:PS read Alphea Abbra's post right below yours. His unironically very butthurt post that assails my zero references to fairness in war? Yeah, I read that. I'm not surprised that you find it a compelling rebuttal.
Oh, maybe I have you mixed up with the other nobody hating on this war.
Kuehnelt wrote:Since I felt like repyling to that, here's a reply to the rest of yoru post: Stop liking my posts to get my attention
No. This avatar is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
33
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:10:00 -
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Degren wrote:Edit: PS read Alphea Abbra's post right below yours. I'm not sure whether to feel relieved that you're not threatening to set us blue (As happened in 319 local over something trollish I said there), or disgusted that you refer to my post in order to make a point against one of my blues ... Either way, I am pondering on how long into Fountain I could get in a stealthbomber before you** shoot me, and whether that effort is worth it in terms of harassment.
Kuehnelt wrote:His unironically very butthurt post that assails my zero references to fairness in war? Yeah, I read that. I'm not surprised that you find it a compelling rebuttal. Wait, is this @ me? I'm not sure, because I don't think I wrote about fairness in war, really ... I mean, if you genuinely is in war to win, then you'll strive to eliminate fairness to get clear advantages on your enemy. I don't think that's fun in a game, but - whatever. To each their own, or some bull####. Also, if I am butthurt then it's not at CFC, it's at PL (For claiming "good fights" and then calling others in when they stand to lose) & -A- (For obvious reasons). I'm not butthurt for losing. Sov comes, sov goes. I think peoples' character becomes especially clear in adversity and other psychological/meta-referencing mumbo-jumbo, so though I'd clearly rather have sov than not I am not crying all that much over this loss. If you're deducing that I am butthurt over how we lost that sov - then yeah somewhat. I think that should be clear to everyone who has read my posts in this thread. It's not like I have tried to hide it or anything.
** meaning "you" as "your alliance & allies in the area". |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1951
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:18:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote: 1. TEST failed, then noticed that someone said meeeeeaaan things about TEST, then fell to the floor and wailed like a toddler. New strategic goal: take these three regions. For this reason: **** YOUUUUUUU.
PL deployed to pewpew. TEST turned it into a war.
Kuehnelt wrote: 2. CFC decided that the best way to take these regions for crybaby TEST was to do it as easily as possible: so, as much as possible, without fighting anything. So, fleet doctrine: maintain 3-1/4-1 odds, and punish the enemy for any decision to engage. There's a blob 3x their number at the undock? And they're engaging?! Light that cyno for dreads.. Com spy says they're about to undock? Into this?! We need more people nao. Bridge more in. We need a huge local spike.
You complain about 3-1 / 4-1, but completely neglect that it was inverted before TEST called in our friends, and completely fail to realize what it symbolizes: we wanted that space more. More of our pilots wanted to go blow up and have fun. You can cry all you want about it, but our collective will was far, far stronger, hence far higher participation numbers (and percentages). "Oh, but your alliances are so big!" you say. Can you guess why people seem to want to join us? Because we have a blast in space, ask little to nothing of our members, and tend to win wars.
Kuehnelt wrote:3. Of course, to actively not-fight is boring as ****. And being a meatshield is not humiliating like "being +1 in local so that they won't fight us" is. People may propose alternative plans that are more likely to yield fights, like half of this blob ******* off. People may come onto the forums and whine (seriously, not for propaganda purposes) that they're not being engaged. People who are perhaps too brainwashed may popularize recordings of SoCo comms in which please-don't-engage-us manoeuveurs are always what the CFC is doing, whilst the alleged "we-just-stay-docked" faction are always appalled by this.
So we're just supposed to tell two thirds of the people who eagerly want to blow your **** up and goof off in comms to go home? I don't think you have a very practical understanding of alliance organization or "fun". Also, avoiding combat? ****, the CFC always has flown most fleets with no intent to return home in ships. That never changed. You are so bitter you're losing touch with reality.
Kuehnelt wrote: 4. Thus, the heavy propaganda (mainly for your own members' consumption, but also to poison what rubes of the enemy coalition it finds), the quick digression to the next war which surely won't suck like this one, and... well, I'm still waiting for the next bit. Given that TEST space may as well display as 'Unclaimed' by how controlled it is, what do you plan to say when the blob really does recede and the space really is lost?
You're in for a surprise when you realize TEST, PL and several allies will be taking up permanent residence in the newly conquered regions.
Kuehnelt wrote:Anyway, for anyone for whom the spy comms are tldl, listen only to http://soundcloud.com/dariush_records/ra-meeting-07-07 . Not because it supports what I say above, but because it's totally awesome. Little gem in there: real allies, who are separate sovereigns and not one of them the pet of the other, are allies for a given end and will reset standings after that end.
Some advice: What you just described are allies of convenience. People who will fight alongside you only when it benefits them, and then stab you in the back. That isn't about having fun, its about manipulation and mutual benefit. Real allies are friends - they've got your back, you've got theirs, no matter the situation. There are no "pets" among friends. Allies find fights by organizing thunderdomes between each other or going out hunting for enemies, and ensuring enemies continue to exist for each other.Your very clear misunderstanding of fundamental concepts like this, of the CFC mentality, and your obvious bitterness leads me to believe some very sad things about you. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
127
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:23:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Kuehnelt wrote:His unironically very butthurt post that assails my zero references to fairness in war? Yeah, I read that. I'm not surprised that you find it a compelling rebuttal. Wait, is this @ me?
Nope, sorry. I believe he meant Arkon Olacar's post. |
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Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
875
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:27:00 -
[131] - Quote
What were we talking about again?
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1952
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:30:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote: I'm not sure whether to feel relieved that you're not threatening to set us blue (As happened in 319 local over something trollish I said there), or disgusted that you refer to my post in order to make a point against one of my blues ... Either way, I am pondering on how long into Fountain I could get in a stealthbomber before you** shoot me, and whether that effort is worth it in terms of harassment.
Fountain is always completely crawling with SBs, all the people who live there are more than used to them. It wouldn't really be harassment, it would be Tuesday. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1835
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:32:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Kuehnelt wrote:His unironically very butthurt post that assails my zero references to fairness in war? Yeah, I read that. I'm not surprised that you find it a compelling rebuttal. Wait, is this @ me? Nope, sorry. I believe he meant Arkon Olacar's post.
No. I meant Alphea's. This avatar is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
127
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:42:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:You complain about 3-1 / 4-1, but completely neglect that WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I don't really want to help you out here, but do you realize that you can't rebut my summary by attempting to justify the portions that concern you? That actually, you support them, and assist me in destroying your faction's own false narrative for the war? Well, thanks anyway.
Quote:You're in for a surprise when you realize TEST, PL and several allies will be taking up permanent residence in the newly conquered regions.
OK, I'll look forward to that
Quote:Some advice: What you just described are allies of convenience. People who will fight alongside you only when it benefits them, and then stab you in the back.
"Stab you in the back", i.e., "fight you". -A- and RA can work together today even knowing that they may fight each other tomorrow. Do you suppose that this shows that they take the game less seriously, or as more as a game, than you do? Like your narrative for the war, I think there is also a lot of bullshit in TEST's propaganda about itself. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1955
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:46:00 -
[135] - Quote
Looks like my assumptions are true.
I pity you. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:50:00 -
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Arkon Olacar wrote:I love how butthurt SoCo supporters always conviniently ignore their 800 man blobbing of 200 man TEST fleets pre-CFC intervention when crying about how unfair this war was. Maybe if they spent less time pissing each other off and more time actually fighting, this war would have had a different end. Or more likely, would still be on going.
Hey bro, how does it feel to be a pet of a pet? Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
35
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:51:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Quote:You're in for a surprise when you realize TEST, PL and several allies will be taking up permanent residence in the newly conquered regions. OK, I'll look forward to that That's actually a part where I trust TEST & others to tell the truth right off the bat. They do have likely candidates to live in Delve, and probably also Querious and PB. If TEST also needs space (And with the size of Fountain and their membership count it's even an understandable wish for them) then it's even less of a mystery who will be living there. |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
182
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:04:00 -
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To say that our propaganda is bull misses not only the point of our media campaigns, but the very point of propaganda itself. Of course we don't spin things your way. Quite frankly, EVERY coalition level action should consider the propaganda aspect first. Propaganda wins wars. A smart alliance doesn't only have a propaganda campaign. The propaganda campaign should be indistinguishable from the truth. The narrative wins the war, and the SoCo leadership failed to effectively challenge the narrative. Is it any wonder why the counter narrative sounds hilarious to the average goon? |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1837
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Posted - 2012.07.13 21:38:00 -
[139] - Quote
Kuehnelt wrote:EDIT: Re. Degren
Its weird, even your *posts* avoid the fights and dock up. This avatar is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
725
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Posted - 2012.07.13 21:38:00 -
[140] - Quote
Some people seem very upset that the CFC tries to win rather than doing everything blindfolded and with one arm tied behind their back. As if the point of fighting a war, even a fictional war in a video game is to make it fun for your opponent. |
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Vellamo Lyr
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:01:00 -
[141] - Quote
Kuehnelt wrote:[quote=Doctor Benway Kado]
Don't be a bitter hate poster.
Your points all make no sense.
Fights started off well with PL+TEST vs Nulli/Vera/RA
Then -A- got called in to save timers. That is an escalation. Conveniently forgetting this makes SoCo look really bad in my eyes.
PL-TEST was usually a fleet of 200-220 people vs equal numbers.
CFC was called in, for several reasons. But mainly because -A- is ****. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
35
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:05:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Some people seem very upset that the CFC tries to win rather than doing everything blindfolded and with one arm tied behind their back. As if the point of fighting a war, even a fictional war in a video game is to make it fun for your opponent. My counterpoint would be that they can't both have an enormous advantage and expect people to fight against their advantage. They can't both have their cake and eat it, so to speak. If they want easy fights and steamrolling space, then yeah, higher numbers = easier victories = efficiency (And so on). If they want "good fights" and wanted us to undock, then it's pretty basic psychology that most people won't fight against clearly impossible odds. When SoCo got cornered in 319, it very quickly began to look like clearly impossible odds.
This isn't rocket science (It's psychology instead! - ha ha, I made a funny); if they had an advantage that our FC's and strategists thought we could counter, then we'd have undocked a lot more. But -A-'s FC's especially didn't want to fight uneven odds, and so the odds became further impossible for those who wanted, spiralling into none undocking since they all thought they'd be horribly outnumbered.
Vellamo Lyr wrote:Don't be a bitter hate poster.
Your points all make no sense.
Fights started off well with PL+TEST vs Nulli/Vera/RA
Then -A- got called in to save timers. That is an escalation. Conveniently forgetting this makes SoCo look really bad in my eyes.
PL-TEST was usually a fleet of 200-220 people vs equal numbers.
CFC was called in, for several reasons. But mainly because -A- is ****. This is factually wrong. Fights started with Nulli/Vera vs. RA vs. PL, a threeway fight. Then PL brought TEST in, and started that escalation, so we stopped our war to start our own escalation. |
Caroline Cosmos
Phoenix Rise Industries
9
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:12:00 -
[143] - Quote
I think a nice war between TEST and Goonswarm would really spice these forums up. |
Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:14:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote: My counterpoint would be that they can't both have an enormous advantage and expect people to fight against their advantage. They can't both have their cake and eat it, so to speak.
You guys wouldn't undock regardless of our fleet comp or advantage. That happened in a multitude of fleets I was in. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
494
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:21:00 -
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Caroline Cosmos wrote:I think a nice war between TEST and Goonswarm would really spice these forums up.
That will be epic some day because fight our own friends will be a hell of a real challenge, witch is completely different from what 319 is today ( a total joke) brb |
Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:24:00 -
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reset goons! |
Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:26:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Some people seem very upset that the CFC tries to win rather than doing everything blindfolded and with one arm tied behind their back. As if the point of fighting a war, even a fictional war in a video game is to make it fun for your opponent. My counterpoint would be that they can't both have an enormous advantage and expect people to fight against their advantage. They can't both have their cake and eat it, so to speak. If they want easy fights and steamrolling space, then yeah, higher numbers = easier victories = efficiency (And so on). If they want "good fights" and wanted us to undock, then it's pretty basic psychology that most people won't fight against clearly impossible odds. When SoCo got cornered in 319, it very quickly began to look like clearly impossible odds. This isn't rocket science (It's psychology instead! - ha ha, I made a funny); if they had an advantage that our FC's and strategists thought we could counter, then we'd have undocked a lot more. But -A-'s FC's especially didn't want to fight uneven odds, and so the odds became further impossible for those who wanted, spiralling into none undocking since they all thought they'd be horribly outnumbered.
You're right here. Sincerely.
When TEST has a deployment, like the start of the delve one, the attitude is thus: "Hey guys, let's go dumpster some nerds, **** up local a lot, train some newbros, probably win in the process." We aren't despondent, but neither do we chestbeat. That goes for straight up sov wars too.
We can, in that sense, lose a war and have few problems with it: see geminate. Now -A- for example, propaganda or not, consistently says how much better they are, how much they will beat us, how hard they are going to kick our asses. Also, they try their hardest to call everyone else pets, when they unironically and objectively do have pets.
From that point on, we basically had no mercy. Notice the lack of hellcamps and ship spamming pre- -A- deployment? Of course it was a different war then; it was also a laugh. But -A- can't psychologically afford to lose, even when beaten they still have to call it a victory. So we (northerners) hellcamped, blopsed, blobbed, blapped, all those things to keep you docked.
If -A- weren't such whiny nerdlords about it, we would have probably been a lot more inclined to set up "good fights", with less people being motivated for killing -A- in the first place. Another reason you lost so badly is that the morale of TEST,GSF, and to an extent PL doesn't really get affected a lot by in-game happenings. We don't rely on killboards and sov to have fun and drama.
You should have seen DHD's smug when he had 4 fights in one day in 319, essentially drakespamming and dropping dreads on anyone that undocked. It takes a special kind of ******, i.e -A-, to bring that kind of reaction out of a fun-loving alliance (not that he didn't have fun doing it).
To summarise, never let -A- lead anything ever again. They are selfish and uninspired (really how did you even get that few people online for CTAs). Just bc=ecause they're an old alliance who fly expensive ships doesn't make them the people to lead "the opposition". |
Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:28:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote: This is factually wrong. Fights started with Nulli/Vera vs. RA vs. PL, a threeway fight. Then PL brought TEST in, and started that escalation, so we stopped our war to start our own escalation.
This is factually wrong. Nulli and RA stopped fighting soon after PL killed RA titans. |
Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:29:00 -
[149] - Quote
Oh, the doomsdays on the station gaming carriers. So good. |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
789
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:31:00 -
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Katie Corb wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote: My counterpoint would be that they can't both have an enormous advantage and expect people to fight against their advantage. They can't both have their cake and eat it, so to speak.
You guys wouldn't undock regardless of our fleet comp or advantage. That happened in a multitude of fleets I was in.
So you don't bring overwhelming odds from nearby systems the minute one of your ships dips into armor?
Don't answer. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
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Caroline Cosmos
Phoenix Rise Industries
9
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:41:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Caroline Cosmos wrote:I think a nice war between TEST and Goonswarm would really spice these forums up. That will be epic some day because fight our own friends will be a hell of a real challenge, witch is completely different from what 319 is today ( a total joke)
Oh come now. Nobody here are really friends now are we? Space associates, maybe... Friends? Not really. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
494
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:42:00 -
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Katie Corb wrote:Oh, the doomsdays on the station gaming carriers. So good.
Escalation call for escalation, that simple. We might nor agree on some terms but when things happen you get a single voice man talking over your chest, like it or not, you can denie it, it's the most honourable action from eve players able put aside whatever differences to achieve a common goal.
That's null sec, love it or hate it, goons will leave their footprint forever and there's noting that can ever match this large scale common interest (glue) that makes every one at some point agree with each other.
You can hate things you're not aware, you can hate things you disagree but at the end of the line, you'll understand there's no other way to make "game player content " be as relevant as it is and probably will ever be.
Just a thought from a non senseless NPC alt. brb |
Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:43:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Katie Corb wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote: My counterpoint would be that they can't both have an enormous advantage and expect people to fight against their advantage. They can't both have their cake and eat it, so to speak.
You guys wouldn't undock regardless of our fleet comp or advantage. That happened in a multitude of fleets I was in. So you don't bring overwhelming odds from nearby systems the minute one of your ships dips into armor? Don't answer. I wouldn't know because none of your fleets have stayed undocked long enough to dip me below 75% shields |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:48:00 -
[154] - Quote
I hate to break it to you guys, but "You refused to undock to fight us while we took your sov" is kind of an unbeatable trump card. Spin it all you want, but in the end that's going to be how we see it. Sorry |
Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:52:00 -
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That being said, I -really- like the sound of the sov gained thing. |
Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:54:00 -
[156] - Quote
We are going to look so foolish when we run out of fuel and moral. |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
790
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:02:00 -
[157] - Quote
Hench Tenet wrote:Long post
So basically what you are saying is that if -A- didn't get involved in this then TEST would have never ever called for GSF help and would have accepted whatever defeat that might come? As if TEST had absolutely no interest in taking Delve and the surrounding regions by whatever means necessary?
I will concede that -A- involvement was a real sweetener when convincing the GSF to get involved, but sooner or later they would get involved anyway.
I won't get into a discussion about the merit of -A- involvement in this because my alliance's diplomat already hates me as it is. But don't expect people to believe that you only wanted goodfights and were only going to give as good as you got. You wanted to take everything the minute you saw the opportunity.
Come to think of, everyone knows that. I have no idea why i am stating the obvious here. I must be more bored than i initiatlly thought =) The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:04:00 -
[158] - Quote
Delve is where Alliances go to die. We just want it so we can die in Amarr ships. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
127
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:26:00 -
[159] - Quote
Hench Tenet wrote:Now -A- for example, propaganda or not, consistently says how much better they are, how much they will beat us, how hard they are going to kick our asses. Also, they try their hardest to call everyone else pets, when they unironically and objectively do have pets.
From that point on, we basically had no mercy. ... You should have seen DHD's smug when he had 4 fights in one day in 319, essentially drakespamming and dropping dreads on anyone that undocked. It takes a special kind of ****** ... to bring that kind of reaction out of a fun-loving alliance (not that he didn't have fun doing it).
So, back to what I said at the outset: someone said meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaan things about TEST, and their tender sensitive hearts just couldn't take that, and they cried and flailed around like angry toddlers, and then took a region in a manner so cowardly that the chief opposition to a long-time deployment of this strategy is going to be their own member's latent bloodlust.
Well, gotta have someone like that in a game, but can you just be upfront about it? Be as pathetic as you are without laying all this bullshit on everyone about it. It would at least be nice if your own members understood what was going on, and wouldn't dumbly pout about never having to lose their shields in this war :-(
'Fun-loving alliance', *spit*. |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:29:00 -
[160] - Quote
Kuehnelt wrote:So, back to what I said at the outset: someone said meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaan things about TEST, and their tender sensitive hearts just couldn't take that, and they cried and flailed around like angry toddlers, and then took a region in a manner so cowardly that the chief opposition to a long-time deployment of this strategy is going to be their own member's latent bloodlust.
Well, gotta have someone like that in a game, but can you just be upfront about it? Be as pathetic as you are without laying all this bullshit on everyone about it. It would at least be nice if your own members understood what was going on, and wouldn't dumbly pout about never having to lose their shields in this war :-(
'Fun-loving alliance', *spit*. You refused to undock to fight us while we took your sov |
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Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:30:00 -
[161] - Quote
Yeah, yeah, not actually in the SoCo on this alt. Whatever. |
Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:43:00 -
[162] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Hench Tenet wrote:Long post So basically what you are saying is that if -A- didn't get involved in this then TEST would have never ever called for GSF help and would have accepted whatever defeat that might come? As if TEST had absolutely no interest in taking Delve and the surrounding regions by whatever means necessary? I will concede that -A- involvement was a real sweetener when convincing the GSF to get involved, but sooner or later they would get involved anyway. I won't get into a discussion about the merit of -A- involvement in this because my alliance's diplomat already hates me as it is. But don't expect people to believe that you only wanted goodfights and were only going to give as good as you got. You wanted to take everything the minute you saw the opportunity. Come to think of, everyone knows that. I have no idea why i am stating the obvious here. I must be more bored than i initiatlly thought =)
That's not what I implied at all. If -A- didn't come, we may have still wanted the region, but even calling all our friends would have produced a much smaller number of pilots than it did with -A- about.
And even if that was more than you could handle, you and nulli and friends would have put up a fight to be proud of, I just know it. |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
205
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:45:00 -
[163] - Quote
Speaking of dumpster. Why hasn't this thread been moved to COAD already? |
Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:49:00 -
[164] - Quote
Kuehnelt wrote:Hench Tenet wrote:Now -A- for example, propaganda or not, consistently says how much better they are, how much they will beat us, how hard they are going to kick our asses. Also, they try their hardest to call everyone else pets, when they unironically and objectively do have pets.
From that point on, we basically had no mercy. ... You should have seen DHD's smug when he had 4 fights in one day in 319, essentially drakespamming and dropping dreads on anyone that undocked. It takes a special kind of ****** ... to bring that kind of reaction out of a fun-loving alliance (not that he didn't have fun doing it). So, back to what I said at the outset: someone said meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaan things about TEST, and their tender sensitive hearts just couldn't take that, and they cried and flailed around like angry toddlers, and then took a region in a manner so cowardly that the chief opposition to a long-time deployment of this strategy is going to be their own member's latent bloodlust. Well, gotta have someone like that in a game, but can you just be upfront about it? Be as pathetic as you are without laying all this bullshit on everyone about it. It would at least be nice if your own members understood what was going on, and wouldn't dumbly pout about never having to lose their shields in this war :-( 'Fun-loving alliance', *spit*.
You're really angry. Sorry about whatever we did.
Firstly, if we wanted to start a war because they called us gay, that would be fine. That's perfectly legitimate in eve, as far as wars can be legitimate. We have gone to war for less. We once deployed to NPC fountain to kill off a 400-man alliance just because we felt like it.
Secondly, we took the regions in a perfectly straightforward way, I am not sure what in eve can be considered cowardly other than not fighting. Please explain which part of winning a war in eve online is pathetic compared to not winning a war in eve online, thanks. |
Rene Fullchest
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
51
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:49:00 -
[165] - Quote
All this anaylsis of who and when and why is pointless now, isn't it?
We are where we are. We set objectives (more on this in a bit) and set about achieving them. None of us knew it would be this easy, and I imagine that none of you thought it would be so humiliating.
So, let's shift the analytical focus to the here and now, shall we?
-A- leadership initially thought they could stay docked (for whatever reason) and that we would eventually get bored and leave. That turned out to be wrong.
-A- leadership now seems to think that when their BS/support fleet gets welped in their home system the proper response is to reship and do it again, and again, two nights in a row. This strategy turns out to be wrong, again.
It seems to me that the REAL question now is how long the line pilots of -A- are going to stick it out. Some, obviously (by the fits seen in the latest BS kills) are running out of resources. I believe we are fast approaching the tipping point, where line pilots of the -A- corps finally and seriously question their alliance leadership and begin to 'jump ship'. This will start with a trickle and build to a torrent, moving on to involve whole corps, until the only thing left are some bitter, angry few. They will cease whining about the CFC and begin whining about their own traitors.
As I said above, our enemies have utterly failed to see the objective here.
The objective was always to crush -A-, and we are achieving that goal much faster than expected.
Will you, average -A- line pilot, be the last to leave, or will you see the reality and give up to live another day? |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1956
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:22:00 -
[166] - Quote
Caroline Cosmos wrote:I think a nice war between TEST and Goonswarm would really spice these forums up.
Relevant. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Caroline Cosmos
Phoenix Rise Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:37:00 -
[167] - Quote
You have to admit, it would be pretty awesome. When I first saw you guys (TEST) in 2010 buzzing around Orvole/Osmoden/PF. I even thought at that time... wouldn't it be cool if a new Goonswarm started up and challenged the old Goonswarm?
But I think the Goons made a very prudent early decision to "friend up" with you guys as to avoid such a catastrophe.
Now, of course I don't follow politics enough to know all the ins and outs of how your friendships formed, but that was just kinda what I gathered at the time.
All in all, I always thought Dreddit was very similar to the Goons in structure, but quite different on an individual pilot level. The Dreddit guys I have encountered were always pretty civil and relatively mature.
Blah, blah, blah. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1957
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:39:00 -
[168] - Quote
Caroline Cosmos wrote:You have to admit, it would be pretty awesome. When I first saw you guys (TEST) in 2010 buzzing around Orvole/Osmoden/PF. I even thought at that time... wouldn't it be cool if a new Goonswarm started up and challenged the old Goonswarm?
But I think the Goons made a very prudent early decision to "friend up" with you guys as to avoid such a catastrophe.
Now, of course I don't follow politics enough to know all the ins and outs of how your friendships formed, but that was just kinda what I gathered at the time.
All in all, I always thought Dreddit was very similar to the Goons in structure, but quite different on an individual pilot level. The Dreddit guys I have encountered were always pretty civil and relatively mature.
Blah, blah, blah.
It wasn't a strategic decision to "friend up" - we're more alike in terms of alliance culture and identity than any other alliances in EVE. We're natural friends, but its a lot like sibling friendship - lots of friendly mocking, competition, etc, but at the end of the day we will always have each other's backs no matter what. Also, you'd be *very surprised* how mature goons can be and how immature TEST can be. Our forums are polar opposites.
I think fleet warfare between our two alliances will certainly happen someday, and I guarantee we'll have more thunderdomes and goodfites between us. But as for actual warfare, trying to conquer each other's space and crush each other? I don't see that happening ever, to be honest. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
812
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:40:00 -
[169] - Quote
Marconus Orion wrote:Speaking of dumpster. Why hasn't this thread been moved to COAD already? Well originally, it was a non-involved thread by some hiseccers wondering what was going on who posted. Then after that question had been answered, some -A- alt sperged all over the thread.
It's apt really, CFC generally makes nice with hi-sec peeps (cause we don't care) until someone comes along who is particularly butthurt about how his side is losing, then it all goes to hell. Why did you take my wings away? |
Caroline Cosmos
Phoenix Rise Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:45:00 -
[170] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Caroline Cosmos wrote:You have to admit, it would be pretty awesome. When I first saw you guys (TEST) in 2010 buzzing around Orvole/Osmoden/PF. I even thought at that time... wouldn't it be cool if a new Goonswarm started up and challenged the old Goonswarm?
But I think the Goons made a very prudent early decision to "friend up" with you guys as to avoid such a catastrophe.
Now, of course I don't follow politics enough to know all the ins and outs of how your friendships formed, but that was just kinda what I gathered at the time.
All in all, I always thought Dreddit was very similar to the Goons in structure, but quite different on an individual pilot level. The Dreddit guys I have encountered were always pretty civil and relatively mature.
Blah, blah, blah. It wasn't a strategic decision to "friend up" - we're more alike in terms of alliance culture and identity than any other alliances in EVE. We're natural friends, but its a lot like sibling friendship - lots of friendly mocking, competition, etc, but at the end of the day we will always have each other's backs no matter what. Also, you'd be *very surprised* how mature goons can be and how immature TEST can be. Our forums are polar opposites. I think fleet warfare between our two alliances will certainly happen someday, and I guarantee we'll have more thunderdomes and goodfites between us. But as for actual warfare, trying to conquer each other's space and crush each other? I don't see that happening ever, to be honest.
Roger that. Yeah it's never a good idea to lump everyone into the same category and make assumptions. I suppose, in general, the Goons I have come across just seem more apt to draw ascii (?) penises etc. in local. That kinda thing. The Dreddit folks seemed to me to have a bit of a higher level of decorum. But I'm sure it varies upon the individuals.
I still say it would be awesome to see your two alliances go at it :) |
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Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
875
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Posted - 2012.07.14 04:53:00 -
[171] - Quote
So the fight is over in Delve now?
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Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1837
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Posted - 2012.07.14 05:01:00 -
[172] - Quote
Confirming that Goon forums have significantly fewer **** posts than TEST forums.
Also confirming that not a single member of either alliance gives any kind of regard to anything that happens in General Discussion except when a genuine newb has a question, or the rare times when discussions aren't posturing and are actually like...people talking. Yes, it does happen. This avatar is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1180
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Posted - 2012.07.14 05:04:00 -
[173] - Quote
Gogela wrote:So the fight is over in Delve now? Delve mostly. Now we're burning the space south and east of it.
I think some spunky chaps are holding onto their lone station system or something. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
10
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Posted - 2012.07.14 05:08:00 -
[174] - Quote
Confirming that the TEST forums are full of shitposting.
It's like... Reddit, or something. Reddit is terrible.
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Torneach
Apocalypse Exploration
271
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Posted - 2012.07.14 05:50:00 -
[175] - Quote
Gogela, you should be ashamed of yourself. Look at the mess you've started. |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
195
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Posted - 2012.07.14 06:28:00 -
[176] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Gogela wrote:So the fight is over in Delve now? Delve mostly. Now we're burning the space south and east of it. I think some spunky chaps are holding onto their lone station system or something. Walltreipers (aka wallrippers, walltrippers, wallstrippers, and wallpapers). They've actually developed something of a cult following now! A lot of the regular members think we should let them keep their one system as a prize for such a dedicated defense, but I guess there are larger strategic issues in play at the moment.
Still, you've got to admire the cajones on their small squad of cap pilots to ninja shoot SBUs. That's some serious Chutzpah, and I'll be pretty disappointed if one of the better coalitions don't snap them up immediately. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
79
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:12:00 -
[177] - Quote
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Arkon Olacar wrote:I love how butthurt SoCo supporters always conviniently ignore their 800 man blobbing of 200 man TEST fleets pre-CFC intervention when crying about how unfair this war was. Maybe if they spent less time pissing each other off and more time actually fighting, this war would have had a different end. Or more likely, would still be on going. Hey bro, how does it feel to be a pet of a pet? At least I'm allowed to undock. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
876
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:25:00 -
[178] - Quote
Torneach wrote:Gogela, you should be ashamed of yourself. Look at the mess you've started. This
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hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2012.07.14 10:01:00 -
[179] - Quote
Given tests success and their influx of members, would they be in a position to split from goons and cfc. If so who would likely side with them Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
794
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Posted - 2012.07.14 11:00:00 -
[180] - Quote
Gogela wrote:So the fight is over in Delve now?
The fight was over the minute that the CFC joined the fray.
At that point the decision for the defenders was either dock up, save resources, deny a fight and lose everything, or undock, lose a lot of ships, give them a fun (for them) fight and still lose everything.
Its not an excuse, it's a fact. Surprisingly, not many SoCo line members have the money, the resources and the desire to throw away ships however cheap and/or plentifull at a supercapital wall (that is IF the manage to evade the supercapital permacamp at 319 station [woohoo])
As TEST and friends are about to find out, Delve is a shithole and a resource sink to whoever wants the whole region. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
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Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
80
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Posted - 2012.07.14 11:10:00 -
[181] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Gogela wrote:So the fight is over in Delve now? The fight was over the minute that the CFC joined the fray. At that point the decision for the defenders was either dock up, save resources, deny a fight and lose everything, or undock, lose a lot of ships, give them a fun (for them) fight and still lose everything. Its not an excuse, it's a fact. Surprisingly, not many SoCo line members have the money, the resources and the desire to throw away ships however cheap and/or plentifull at a supercapital wall (that is IF the manage to evade the supercapital permacamp at 319 station [woohoo]) As TEST and friends are about to find out, Delve is a shithole and a resource sink to whoever wants the whole region. The fight was only over because SoCo decided it was.
Before the CFC got involved, SoCo were fielding fleets of 700 against TEST fleets of 200. CFC shows up and starts fielding fleets of 700, but rather than the SoCo matching them with their fleets of 700, they refused and only ever sent out fleets of 200, and so spent the rest of the war crying about blobs.
I for one was really looking foward to 700 vs 700 fleet fights, but SoCo decided against fielding the very fleets they had been using in the previous weeks.
Why did they do this? I have no idea, ask SoCo leadership. But I shouldn't really complain, given that you guys rolling over without a fight means we now have our own sov, so thanks. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
26
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Posted - 2012.07.14 11:12:00 -
[182] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Gogela wrote:So the fight is over in Delve now? The fight was over the minute that the CFC joined the fray. At that point the decision for the defenders was either dock up, save resources, deny a fight and lose everything, or undock, lose a lot of ships, give them a fun (for them) fight and still lose everything. Its not an excuse, it's a fact. Surprisingly, not many SoCo line members have the money, the resources and the desire to throw away ships however cheap and/or plentifull at a supercapital wall (that is IF the manage to evade the supercapital permacamp at 319 station [woohoo]) As TEST and friends are about to find out, Delve is a shithole and a resource sink to whoever wants the whole region.
You can afford t3 fleets but not to lose ships? I just realised that -A-'s entire philosophy is to not lose any ships. They literally can't afford to. |
forestwho
Foonfleet Investment Banking
30
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Posted - 2012.07.14 11:36:00 -
[183] - Quote
Degren wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics. Or, you know, people who defend them. Typical response from an alliance that has always been someone elses pet. I assume you haven't been paying attention at all, so I'll just spell it out here. -A-'s strategy - without any kind of bias-filter, this is actually what they've done (someone less lazy can link you the recordings of their comms) - was to stay docked and dont welp fleets against 4-1 odds minimum Let me repeat that. -A-'s strategy was to stay docked and dont welp fleets against 4-1 odds minimum Makalu's strategy was to stay docked and dont welp fleets against 4-1 odds minimum Makalu, apparent head FC of the entire SOCO, decided to stay docked and dont welp fleets against 4-1 odds minimum Makalu, instead of defending his sovereignty, decided to stay docked up and dont welp fleets against 4-1 odds minimum Makalu, terrified of rifter webs, decided to dock his immortal T3 fleets and let us get bored in Eve Online, a boring space game. SOCO, apparently not really into good fights, decided docking was a viable sovereignty defense strategy in Eve Online. Southern Coalition, in their indestructible Loki, decided fighting drakes was pretty hard and decided the best strategy for saving their space was to dock up. In a decent fight of about 1500 Clusterfuck Legion in drakes vs 400 Southern Coalition folks in T3s, Makalu insisted on staying docked while we picked off some bored bombers. We then had another fleet of supercaps go around popping structures. The supercaps were not going to form, but since they stayed docked...welp. PS: GG, Makalu. You are one of the biggest reasons SOCO collapsed so quickly.
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forestwho
Foonfleet Investment Banking
30
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Posted - 2012.07.14 11:37:00 -
[184] - Quote
Hench Tenet wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Gogela wrote:So the fight is over in Delve now? The fight was over the minute that the CFC joined the fray. At that point the decision for the defenders was either dock up, save resources, deny a fight and lose everything, or undock, lose a lot of ships, give them a fun (for them) fight and still lose everything. Its not an excuse, it's a fact. Surprisingly, not many SoCo line members have the money, the resources and the desire to throw away ships however cheap and/or plentifull at a supercapital wall (that is IF the manage to evade the supercapital permacamp at 319 station [woohoo]) As TEST and friends are about to find out, Delve is a shithole and a resource sink to whoever wants the whole region. You can afford t3 fleets but not to lose ships? I just realised that -A-'s entire philosophy is to not lose any ships. They literally can't afford to.
They dont have tech moons, so cant affort to welp endless fleets against bigger odds
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Degren wrote:GOON PET NUMBA ONE F1 BUTAN PUSHA. What started out as good fights, Turned into a big steaming pile of propaganda. You say you went there for "Good Fights" which in the begining probably was true. When it escalated you should have only brought in One back up alliance to "Even" the numbers and you would have had your "GoodFights". But instead you screamed at your masters and then Goons jerked the leash and everyone was TOLD to go to Delve. Nulli and friends, Screw -A-, dont have the ISK that TECH income brings to an Alliance. While you are able to **** out ships for RISK FREE PVP, SoCo dosent. Nulli was at war with RA before Pet Legion decided to make it a 3 way. Then this **** storm of a circle jerk happened. Congrats on being able to win EVE by just putting people in the system. The results of you camping and watching a station is a direct result of your actions and Mastser and Pets. Maybe we should contact the Guinness Book of World Records to see if it Qualifies.
soo tue
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forestwho
Foonfleet Investment Banking
30
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Posted - 2012.07.14 11:52:00 -
[185] - Quote
Gogela wrote:You know what really struck me on that influence map? Against All Authorities. Man do they have staying power.... hat's off to you gents o7
MeBiatch wrote:but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...
so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started.
KrakizBad wrote:SoCo's strategy of 'we'll take it back' relies on CFC+HB not actually, you know, filling that space with allies. Exactly like all the space we didn't fill elsewhere.
Caldari Acolyte wrote:Only thing happening here is the biggest example of game imbalance ever seen in Eveonline, one side controls all the TEC otherside dosen't, rest you be able to figure out.
Rene Fullchest wrote:All this anaylsis of who and when and why is pointless now, isn't it?
We are where we are. We set objectives (more on this in a bit) and set about achieving them. None of us knew it would be this easy, and I imagine that none of you thought it would be so humiliating.
So, let's shift the analytical focus to the here and now, shall we?
-A- leadership initially thought they could stay docked (for whatever reason) and that we would eventually get bored and leave. That turned out to be wrong.
-A- leadership now seems to think that when their BS/support fleet gets welped in their home system the proper response is to reship and do it again, and again, two nights in a row. This strategy turns out to be wrong, again.
It seems to me that the REAL question now is how long the line pilots of -A- are going to stick it out. Some, obviously (by the fits seen in the latest BS kills) are running out of resources. I believe we are fast approaching the tipping point, where line pilots of the -A- corps finally and seriously question their alliance leadership and begin to 'jump ship'. This will start with a trickle and build to a torrent, moving on to involve whole corps, until the only thing left are some bitter, angry few. They will cease whining about the CFC and begin whining about their own traitors.
As I said above, our enemies have utterly failed to see the objective here.
The objective was always to crush -A-, and we are achieving that goal much faster than expected.
Will you, average -A- line pilot, be the last to leave, or will you see the reality and give up to live another day?
The core -A- members are like cockroages, they are bitter vets with endless high moral. Space can be taken but your really doing them a favour. In my history i saw -A- dying almost once and that was caused by a 50j blue radius back when Atlas and Init were still blue'd up. Thats the only way you can kill -A-. Take their space or their blue's space and insert pets / renters and your doing them a favour. Its Win - Win for them. They really dont give a ****, and that is what makes -A- AAA. It is funny how half sided people are. Not saying they are not undocking form 319 and welping fleets in their home system. Cant rly be at 2 places at once, dont you think . CFC, you dont want gudfights your just want to steamroll it, which is fine. The bullshit story about escalating blah blah is also fine, quet coincedence it falls togheter with certain CSM announcemnts from CCP about ringmining...... thinking about next cashcow is smart move......will see what happens and what role delve is going to have.... if it does turn out to be important expect some rolling heads. The noobish propaganda is also fine, but how long can you keep this up . Meh, its like summer anyway, God forgives -A- doesnt.
And yes Tech is the biggest imbalancement this game has ever seen, i hope many ppl will quit as a lesson that CCP still hasnt learned anything from Barby-Online Gate a year orso back.... |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.07.14 11:54:00 -
[186] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Given tests success and their influx of members, would they be in a position to split from goons and cfc. If so who would likely side with them Yes, they already did, Honey Badger Coalition, you're welcome. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
164
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Posted - 2012.07.14 12:13:00 -
[187] - Quote
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Forestwho, why didn't you quote me? You quoted everybody else around, you hussy
aww, feeling left out? |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
36
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Posted - 2012.07.14 12:15:00 -
[188] - Quote
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Given tests success and their influx of members, would they be in a position to split from goons and cfc. If so who would likely side with them Yes, they already did, Honey Badger Coalition, you're welcome. Forestwho, why didn't you quote me? You quoted everybody else around, you hussy You're just not important enough in the eyes of the mighty CEO of the illustrious Foonfleet Investment Banking. I'm sorry, but you may have to rethink your life and your priorities after this crushing defeat. |
March rabbit
R.I.P. Legion Red Alliance
216
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Posted - 2012.07.14 13:22:00 -
[189] - Quote
Alphea Abbra wrote:Doctor Benway Kado wrote:hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Given tests success and their influx of members, would they be in a position to split from goons and cfc. If so who would likely side with them Yes, they already did, Honey Badger Coalition, you're welcome. Forestwho, why didn't you quote me? You quoted everybody else around, you hussy You're just not important enough in the eyes of the mighty CEO of the illustrious Foonfleet Investment Banking. I'm sorry, but you may have to rethink your life and your priorities after this crushing defeat.
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hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.07.14 13:40:00 -
[190] - Quote
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Given tests success and their influx of members, would they be in a position to split from goons and cfc. If so who would likely side with them Yes, they already did, Honey Badger Coalition, you're welcome. Forestwho, why didn't you quote me? You quoted everybody else around, you hussy I was under the impression that this was temporary, for the invasion of Delve.
Test have 7800 members going by Doltan goons have 9200. Everyone assumes Goon are the bosses of cfc, maybe Test/PL could usurp them?? Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
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Nex apparatu5
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
309
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Posted - 2012.07.14 14:20:00 -
[191] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Doctor Benway Kado wrote:hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Given tests success and their influx of members, would they be in a position to split from goons and cfc. If so who would likely side with them Yes, they already did, Honey Badger Coalition, you're welcome. Forestwho, why didn't you quote me? You quoted everybody else around, you hussy I was under the impression that this was temporary, for the invasion of Delve. Test have 7800 members going by Doltan goons have 9200. Everyone assumes Goon are the bosses of cfc, maybe Test/PL could usurp them??
We have no reason to usurp them, and no urge. Goons have been doing this far longer than us, and we respect that.
What will most likely happen is after we beat -A- and settle into our new space, two coalitions will develop: The CFC and Honeybadgers, with each as a separate entity. Goons will lead the CFC, and Test/PL will lead the Honeybadgers.
These coalitions, for all intents and purposes, would be neutral with a NIP, except when one is threatened. In that case, the Horn of Goondor will sound, and they will re-blue to destroy any opposition.
That way, CFC/Badger members can get ~gudfites~ from each other without any sov grinding, cap ships or blobs. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
80
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Posted - 2012.07.14 14:47:00 -
[192] - Quote
Arkon Olacar wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Gogela wrote:So the fight is over in Delve now? The fight was over the minute that the CFC joined the fray. At that point the decision for the defenders was either dock up, save resources, deny a fight and lose everything, or undock, lose a lot of ships, give them a fun (for them) fight and still lose everything. Its not an excuse, it's a fact. Surprisingly, not many SoCo line members have the money, the resources and the desire to throw away ships however cheap and/or plentifull at a supercapital wall (that is IF the manage to evade the supercapital permacamp at 319 station [woohoo]) As TEST and friends are about to find out, Delve is a shithole and a resource sink to whoever wants the whole region. The fight was only over because SoCo decided it was. Before the CFC got involved, SoCo were fielding fleets of 700 against TEST fleets of 200. CFC shows up and starts fielding fleets of 700, but rather than the SoCo matching them with their fleets of 700, they refused and only ever sent out fleets of 200, and so spent the rest of the war crying about blobs. I for one was really looking foward to 700 vs 700 fleet fights, but SoCo decided against fielding the very fleets they had been using in the previous weeks. Why did they do this? I have no idea, ask SoCo leadership. But I shouldn't really complain, given that you guys rolling over without a fight means we now have our own sov, so thanks. Quoting myself because not one SoCo member has responded to this arguement, which has been used by me and others in several threads, all they do is continue to shed tears about how we 'blobbed' them. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
794
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Posted - 2012.07.14 15:03:00 -
[193] - Quote
Arkon Olacar wrote:Arkon Olacar wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Gogela wrote:So the fight is over in Delve now? The fight was over the minute that the CFC joined the fray. At that point the decision for the defenders was either dock up, save resources, deny a fight and lose everything, or undock, lose a lot of ships, give them a fun (for them) fight and still lose everything. Its not an excuse, it's a fact. Surprisingly, not many SoCo line members have the money, the resources and the desire to throw away ships however cheap and/or plentifull at a supercapital wall (that is IF the manage to evade the supercapital permacamp at 319 station [woohoo]) As TEST and friends are about to find out, Delve is a shithole and a resource sink to whoever wants the whole region. The fight was only over because SoCo decided it was. Before the CFC got involved, SoCo were fielding fleets of 700 against TEST fleets of 200. CFC shows up and starts fielding fleets of 700, but rather than the SoCo matching them with their fleets of 700, they refused and only ever sent out fleets of 200, and so spent the rest of the war crying about blobs. I for one was really looking foward to 700 vs 700 fleet fights, but SoCo decided against fielding the very fleets they had been using in the previous weeks. Why did they do this? I have no idea, ask SoCo leadership. But I shouldn't really complain, given that you guys rolling over without a fight means we now have our own sov, so thanks. Quoting myself because not one SoCo member has responded to this arguement, which has been used by me and others in several threads, all they do is continue to shed tears about how we 'blobbed' them.
Was getting home from work, sue me =)
The minute the CFC entered the fight was the minute everyone saw the 120+ supercarriers and 40+ (60+ according to a friend of mine on Razor). Therefore, screw that.
I still don't get an answer from TEST as to why they had to bring over 20 supercarriers when we had our 60 man drake fleet bring down one of your dreads to armor on 319. You had over 100 battlecruisers, but decided to bring in the supercarriers because hey, that would never make us dock up right?
So again, if all the CFC did was bring in more numbers to match ours than fights would have been had. But nobody on the right mind will fight against you if they know you will field endless supercapitals the moment you begin to lose.
Argue against that. I'll be here.
Also this:
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Nulli and friends, Screw -A-, dont have the ISK that TECH income brings to an Alliance. While you are able to **** out ships for RISK FREE PVP, SoCo dosent. Nulli was at war with RA before Pet Legion decided to make it a 3 way. Then this **** storm of a circle jerk happened.
Congrats on being able to win EVE by just putting people in the system. The results of you camping and watching a station is a direct result of your actions and Mastser and Pets. Maybe we should contact the Guinness Book of World Records to see if it Qualifies.
Bolded the important part.
Don't mistake me with -A-. I'm not -A-. I'm not going to say anything harsh or my CEO and/or diplomat will have my hide, but don't assume i'm -A-. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
80
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Posted - 2012.07.14 15:18:00 -
[194] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote: Was getting home from work, sue me =)
The minute the CFC entered the fight was the minute everyone saw the 120+ supercarriers and 40+ (60+ according to a friend of mine on Razor). Therefore, screw that.
I still don't get an answer from TEST as to why they had to bring over 20 supercarriers when we had our 60 man drake fleet bring down one of your dreads to armor on 319. You had over 100 battlecruisers, but decided to bring in the supercarriers because hey, that would never make us dock up right?
So again, if all the CFC did was bring in more numbers to match ours than fights would have been had. But nobody on the right mind will fight against you if they know you will field endless supercapitals the moment you begin to lose.
Argue against that. I'll be here.
\o/ finally a reasoned response from a SoCo player on this issue.
Actually thats almost fair enough. However my point still remains - you (as in SoCo) cannot keep spouting 'outnumbered 4-1' crap when you are easily capable of fielding equal numbers. Not doing so because of our super fleet is a totally different (but to be honest valid) reason for not fighting.
Incidentally we didnt just have a load of supers on standby to reinforce drake fleets, they were out helicopter dicking structures and jumped in for ***** and giggles. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
205
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Posted - 2012.07.14 15:34:00 -
[195] - Quote
Hmm, yes, "Death to Supers", quite. |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
794
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Posted - 2012.07.14 15:44:00 -
[196] - Quote
Arkon Olacar wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote: Was getting home from work, sue me =)
The minute the CFC entered the fight was the minute everyone saw the 120+ supercarriers and 40+ (60+ according to a friend of mine on Razor). Therefore, screw that.
I still don't get an answer from TEST as to why they had to bring over 20 supercarriers when we had our 60 man drake fleet bring down one of your dreads to armor on 319. You had over 100 battlecruisers, but decided to bring in the supercarriers because hey, that would never make us dock up right?
So again, if all the CFC did was bring in more numbers to match ours than fights would have been had. But nobody on the right mind will fight against you if they know you will field endless supercapitals the moment you begin to lose.
Argue against that. I'll be here.
\o/ finally a reasoned response from a SoCo player on this issue. Actually thats almost fair enough. However my point still remains - you (as in SoCo) cannot keep spouting 'outnumbered 4-1' crap when you are easily capable of fielding equal numbers. Not doing so because of our super fleet is a totally different (but to be honest valid) reason for not fighting. Incidentally we didnt just have a load of supers on standby to reinforce drake fleets, they were out helicopter dicking structures and jumped in for ***** and giggles.
About numbers. Not really related to the 4:1 claims (can't say if they are true or not, i'm as far as possible from the south as possible at the moment, trying to have fun for a change), but show me a FC who says "Sorry guys, our numbers are already too big and we want to give them a good fight, so we don't want more than 200 people" and i will call you a liar. If you have a pvp fleet and you have people wanting to join you, you will let them join if they can bring something to help (no you can't bring a drake to our geddon fleet).
At that point, the whole "You are blobbing us!" argument becomes moot. Everyone brings the biggest number possible every time. Nobody handicaps himself in this game for the sake of the enemy team. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2012.07.14 19:20:00 -
[197] - Quote
You do realize that the reason most of our fleets are so big is not because our massive fielding of drakes and whathaveyou, but about 100-200 of those can be newbies in tackle ships that will get popped by one bomb because they perma MWD, right? |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
799
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Posted - 2012.07.14 20:07:00 -
[198] - Quote
Show me the guy here complaining specifically about overall fleet numbers and i'll bop him in the nose. Complaining about numbers is the go-to reason for the average annoyed line member (which TEST does a lot too, by the way).
What the more serious among us are on about is that you can't bring a steamrolling supercapital squad to do everything from sov flipping to station camping and still "mock" people for not undocking and not showing up to defend anything.
Well, you can, actually ... but nobody will take it seriously.
EDIT: I need to claim that as an alliance name ... The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
220
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Posted - 2012.07.15 02:39:00 -
[199] - Quote
What I really want to see is the Post War Promo videos showing up. I'm sure TEST has some wonderful footage and we all know they are capable of making great promo. Their Mid War video Delve 2012 was very good.... excellent actually. I hope they make more after all is said and done.
Other players in the conflict produced great promo in the past. But if you don't undock you don't get footage and no amount of video editing tools will help you.
I hope Walltreipers make something too. The promo video they made over a year ago was very good (Walltreipers Old Promo). I would love to see a new one made in that same style, but with the titans in it. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
194
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Posted - 2012.07.15 03:57:00 -
[200] - Quote
Gogela wrote:So I've been seeing huge plumes of destruction on my map and I'm hearing a lot of conflicting rumors about what exactly is happening in Delve. Is it true that the Goons control most of nullsec in eve (over 50%?!). Is SoCo dead? Did they break up? Can anyone give me a brief synopsis of what happened?
Thanks for any replies...
It was advertised as this massive 50k pilot GIGANTIC war.
http://youtu.be/ZNn3GDBLyFc
What it IS is them steamrolling everyone lol
gudfights indeed
I started watching the online population, looking for 50k spikes and left disapointed http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1974
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Posted - 2012.07.15 04:06:00 -
[201] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote: I started watching the online population, looking for 50k spikes and left disapointed
Please tell me you aren't dumb enough to think everyone would log in at the same time. EVE is about as international as an MMO gets. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
VooDooPimp
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
4
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Posted - 2012.07.15 04:21:00 -
[202] - Quote
I'm here to give you the official -A- version of what's going on. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
194
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Posted - 2012.07.15 04:29:00 -
[203] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote: I started watching the online population, looking for 50k spikes and left disapointed
Please tell me you aren't dumb enough to think everyone would log in at the same time. EVE is about as international as an MMO gets.
lol yeah nice excuses too http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1183
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Posted - 2012.07.15 04:30:00 -
[204] - Quote
Renan Ruivo wrote:Show me the guy here complaining specifically about overall fleet numbers and i'll bop him in the nose. Complaining about numbers is the go-to reason for the average annoyed line member (which TEST does a lot too, by the way).
What the more serious among us are on about is that you can't bring a steamrolling supercapital squad to do everything from sov flipping to station camping and still "mock" people for not undocking and not showing up to defend anything.
Well, you can, actually ... but nobody will take it seriously.
EDIT: I need to claim that as an alliance name ... Hi Vera Cruz, I heard that -A- and your other friends will help you take back your sov after we've been tired out taking it all.
Have you looked at rent contracts recently? It might be worthwhile to ask someone like The 99 Percent if you could become their pet. You might not be getting back in under -A-'s watch. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1183
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Posted - 2012.07.15 04:31:00 -
[205] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote: I started watching the online population, looking for 50k spikes and left disapointed
Please tell me you aren't dumb enough to think everyone would log in at the same time. EVE is about as international as an MMO gets. EVE is dying.
EVE, u dying bro? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
ito kazami
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.15 05:12:00 -
[206] - Quote
Soco' s leadership has failled big time so far ... no unified , and unapropriate ship doctrines, no strategy except " we' ll take space back later " , poor numbers ( Soco is not that far behing CFC in total avatars numbers ), bad FCing... extremly bad propaganda ( our kb is green ) , complete faillure at counter intelligence, internal leadership dramas...
now they claim " the real fight only begins " , as the first roams are being aimed at Catch. well we hope so ...
they can't really do worst , let's see if they can get their **** together. but nulli is gone.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
194
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Posted - 2012.07.15 05:16:00 -
[207] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote: I started watching the online population, looking for 50k spikes and left disapointed
Please tell me you aren't dumb enough to think everyone would log in at the same time. EVE is about as international as an MMO gets. EVE is dying. EVE, u dying bro?
we all dying bro; especially Goons. It just doesnt look like it Its just good acting :D
They were gonna fight back then they took an arrow to the Delve
um...
They didnt want that space anyways http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1184
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Posted - 2012.07.15 05:21:00 -
[208] - Quote
ito kazami wrote:Soco' s leadership has failled big time so far ... no unified , and unapropriate ship doctrines, no strategy except " we' ll take space back later " , poor numbers ( Soco is not that far behing CFC in total avatars numbers ), bad FCing... extremly bad propaganda ( our kb is green ) , complete faillure at counter intelligence, internal leadership dramas...
now they claim " the real fight only begins " , as the first roams are being aimed at Catch. well we hope so ...
they can't really do worst , let's see if they can get their **** together. but nulli is gone. Nulli were supposed to be pretty active fighters ... until they asked for -A- help, so that's a bit of a pity.
Oh well. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
ito kazami
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.15 05:29:00 -
[209] - Quote
i've been in DRF , fighting nulli , AAA , ROL and such ... for about a year.
nulli was by far the toughest opponent. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1184
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Posted - 2012.07.15 08:08:00 -
[210] - Quote
ito kazami wrote:i've been in DRF , fighting nulli , AAA , ROL and such ... for about a year.
nulli was by far the toughest opponent. Well I guess this is all according to plan for -A-.
You know, their "friends" being beaten up and losing their stuff etc etc. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Soldarius
TreadStone Standard The 99 Percent
261
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Posted - 2012.07.15 09:05:00 -
[211] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:...irrelevant words... Hi Vera Cruz, I heard that -A- and your other friends will help you take back your sov after we've been tired out taking it all. Have you looked at rent contracts recently? It might be worthwhile to ask someone like The 99 Percent if you could become their pet. You might not be getting back in under -A-'s watch.
The 99 Percent as Delve slum lords... I like it.
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Alara IonStorm
2632
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Posted - 2012.07.15 09:11:00 -
[212] - Quote
Nex apparatu5 wrote: What will most likely happen is after we beat -A- and settle into our new space, two coalitions will develop: The CFC and Honeybadgers, with each as a separate entity. Goons will lead the CFC, and Test/PL will lead the Honeybadgers.
These coalitions, for all intents and purposes, would be neutral with a NIP, except when one is threatened. In that case, the Horn of Goondor will sound, and they will re-blue to destroy any opposition.
That way, CFC/Badger members can get ~gudfites~ from each other without any sov grinding, cap ships or blobs.
The big so called Goonspiracy is to turn Nullsec into a giant RvB setup...
Didn't see that one coming. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1845
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Posted - 2012.07.15 09:12:00 -
[213] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:wut
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1223378#post1223378
You've had two and a half months to make a decent post.
Your forum privileges are hereby revoked. This avatar is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2012.07.15 09:37:00 -
[214] - Quote
:psyduck: |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1191
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Posted - 2012.07.15 09:47:00 -
[215] - Quote
Degren wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Nex apparatu5 wrote: That way, CFC/Badger members can get ~gudfites~ from each other without any sov grinding, cap ships or blobs.
The big so called Goonspiracy is to turn Nullsec into a giant RvB setup... Didn't see that one coming. A lot of us already have RvB and FW alts so naturally this is the next step Hunger Games, when you suck at trying to fight you get replaced with someone better.
Minus points for being as bad as say, certain FCs. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2012.07.15 10:10:00 -
[216] - Quote
What happened to Mittani FCing RvB fleets? That was all the rage to talk about in Fweddit. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
326
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:26:00 -
[217] - Quote
Degren wrote: PS: GG, Makalu. You are one of the biggest reasons SOCO collapsed so quickly.
I may have little PvP experience, but i heard that 5:1 odds were the reason they collapsed so quickly lol. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1981
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:30:00 -
[218] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Degren wrote: PS: GG, Makalu. You are one of the biggest reasons SOCO collapsed so quickly.
I may have little PvP experience, but i heard that 5:1 odds were the reason they collapsed so quickly lol.
Pretty sure 5:1 never happened.
Worst I saw was 3:1, and it was usually 1.5:1 to 2:1. Makalu is genuinely a bad FC, he calls frigates that are webbing him as primary.
Seriously, just look at any of the KB battle reports for the Loki graveyards. Lokis getting dismantled while they shoot at free rifters. Makalu was more concerned with surviving the fight and making his KB look good than he was with actually effectively leading. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1193
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:30:00 -
[219] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Degren wrote: PS: GG, Makalu. You are one of the biggest reasons SOCO collapsed so quickly.
I may have little PvP experience, but i heard that 5:1 odds were the reason they collapsed so quickly lol. I heard that from Makalu.
"We are elite pvp and they are blobbers" Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1193
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:31:00 -
[220] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Pretty sure 5:1 never happened. It probably did a bunch of times, but didn't result in a fight.
It would be like when they form up 100 in the station and two fleets are camping them, so they don't undock. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
80
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:35:00 -
[221] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Degren wrote: PS: GG, Makalu. You are one of the biggest reasons SOCO collapsed so quickly.
I may have little PvP experience, but i heard that 5:1 odds were the reason they collapsed so quickly lol. Before the CFC got involved, SoCo were fielding fleets of 700 against TEST fleets of 200. CFC shows up and starts fielding fleets of 700, but rather than the SoCo matching them with their fleets of 700, they refused and only ever sent out fleets of 200, and so spent the rest of the war crying about blobs.
^ the latest addition to my collection of copypasta answers to moronic statements. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
212
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:36:00 -
[222] - Quote
You know I keep seeing references to this Loki death wish fight and not any from other battles. Was that the only one that really happened? The only other so called 'battle' reports I see are just something about camping in people who wont fight.
This was the epic war you guys were going on about??... |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
501
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:37:00 -
[223] - Quote
That primordial renter slaver mentality needs to be purged for a better game for everyone.
It's just like bots, a never ending war to bring the light fairness and truth to everyone brb |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1196
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:39:00 -
[224] - Quote
Marconus Orion wrote:You know I keep seeing references to this Loki death wish fight and not any from other battles. Was that the only one that really happened? The only other so called 'battle' reports I see are just something about camping in people who wont fight.
This was the epic war you guys were going on about??... There was also a 60+ tengu welp I believe.
And one with battleships (abaddons I think).
But the loki one is great because of the comms.
"Guys why are you moving so slow, overheat afterburners." "There's a rifter here, kill the rifter." "Primary is blackbird"
Besides, killing their ships won't flip the sov. We have to shoot structures. And it helps if the enemy is camped into the station so the big rifters can go to work on the structures.
Welcome to structure-based, timer-dictated sov warfare, brought to you by CCP. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1984
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:39:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:You know I keep seeing references to this Loki death wish fight and not any from other battles. Was that the only one that really happened? The only other so called 'battle' reports I see are just something about camping in people who wont fight.
This was the epic war you guys were going on about??...
There were quite a few fights, but the Loki fleets failed so spectacularly that people bring them up most.
It really was hilarious, plus the SoCo comms are in the public domain now, so you get to hear Makalu flailing about like an oxygen deprived rabid dog. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1196
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:41:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:You know I keep seeing references to this Loki death wish fight and not any from other battles. Was that the only one that really happened? The only other so called 'battle' reports I see are just something about camping in people who wont fight.
This was the epic war you guys were going on about??... There were quite a few fights, but the Loki fleets failed so spectacularly that people bring them up most. It really was hilarious, plus the SoCo comms are in the public domain now, so you get to hear Makalu flailing about like an oxygen deprived rabid dog. And don't forget when they said the Mittani was dumb because he said lokis were bad.
Then they got swarmed by rifters and stuff and died. Hilarious. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1196
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:44:00 -
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Arkon Olacar wrote:Before the CFC got involved, SoCo were fielding fleets of 700 against TEST fleets of 200. CFC shows up and starts fielding fleets of 700, but rather than the SoCo matching them with their fleets of 700, they refused and only ever sent out fleets of 200, and so spent the rest of the war crying about blobs.
^ the latest addition to my collection of copypasta answers to moronic statements. You see, we were hoping for 700 vs 700 fleets, but then... somehow it turns into 1000 vs 200.
Not sure how that works but hey look that big rifter has a torch and it's setting their structures on fire, ohh. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
15
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Posted - 2012.07.15 12:40:00 -
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Soon Dotlan will have enough colors for ALL Sov holders in 0.0. They will be able to attribute one unique color to an alliance across the whole sov map. Just saying. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1196
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Posted - 2012.07.15 12:44:00 -
[229] - Quote
Random Majere wrote:Soon Dotlan will have enough colors for ALL Sov holders in 0.0. They will be able to attribute one unique color to an alliance across the whole sov map. Just saying. Not if there are 100 spots of renters everywhere. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
15
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Posted - 2012.07.15 12:48:00 -
[230] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Random Majere wrote:Soon Dotlan will have enough colors for ALL Sov holders in 0.0. They will be able to attribute one unique color to an alliance across the whole sov map. Just saying. Not if there are 100 spots of renters everywhere.
Yeah!!! Forgot about that.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
196
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Posted - 2012.07.15 19:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:ito kazami wrote:i've been in DRF , fighting nulli , AAA , ROL and such ... for about a year.
nulli was by far the toughest opponent. Well I guess this is all according to plan for -A-. You know, their "friends" being beaten up and losing their stuff etc etc.
Then they join the bropact and its all part of the plan
Yeah have fun with that pretending to be a moderator thing, I hear that gets you banned in some places.
Oh hey, this IS one http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2012.07.15 19:44:00 -
[232] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:You know I keep seeing references to this Loki death wish fight and not any from other battles. Was that the only one that really happened? The only other so called 'battle' reports I see are just something about camping in people who wont fight.
This was the epic war you guys were going on about??... There were quite a few fights, but the Loki fleets failed so spectacularly that people bring them up most. It really was hilarious, plus the SoCo comms are in the public domain now, so you get to hear Makalu flailing about like an oxygen deprived rabid dog. And don't forget when they said the Mittani was dumb because he said lokis were bad. Then they got swarmed by rifters and stuff and died. Hilarious. In the same breath, mocking a TEST FC and then getting his ass handed to him by the same person. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.15 20:11:00 -
[233] - Quote
Marconus Orion wrote:This was the epic war you guys were going on about??...
This was the epic war we were expecting to happen. Absolutely no one foresaw a one week fail cascade with like three large scale fights.
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Oh hey, this IS one
Sir, cease and desist. This avatar is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
196
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Posted - 2012.07.15 21:36:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Degren wrote: PS: GG, Makalu. You are one of the biggest reasons SOCO collapsed so quickly.
I may have little PvP experience, but i heard that 5:1 odds were the reason they collapsed so quickly lol. thought it was10-1 looking at the KBs
lol id rather cease and desist the TESTIE hey look, now all I see is a red bar. Works better than a report imo cause the post actually goes away lol http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
170
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Posted - 2012.07.15 22:03:00 -
[235] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Degren wrote: PS: GG, Makalu. You are one of the biggest reasons SOCO collapsed so quickly.
I may have little PvP experience, but i heard that 5:1 odds were the reason they collapsed so quickly lol. thought it was10-1 looking at the KBs lol id rather cease and desist the TESTIE hey look, now all I see is a red bar. Works better than a report imo cause the post actually goes away lol
you sound mad. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1205
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Posted - 2012.07.15 23:35:00 -
[236] - Quote
Dave stark wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:thought it was10-1 looking at the KBs
lol id rather cease and desist the TESTIE hey look, now all I see is a red bar. Works better than a report imo cause the post actually goes away lol you sound mad. Bro, I think he mad. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
16
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Posted - 2012.07.15 23:57:00 -
[237] - Quote
think? |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1851
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Posted - 2012.07.16 03:03:00 -
[238] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:lol id rather cease and desist the TESTIE hey look, now all I see is a red bar. Works better than a report imo cause the post actually goes away lol
Oh noooo This avatar is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
823
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Posted - 2012.07.16 05:17:00 -
[239] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Degren wrote: PS: GG, Makalu. You are one of the biggest reasons SOCO collapsed so quickly.
I may have little PvP experience, but i heard that 5:1 odds were the reason they collapsed so quickly lol. thought it was10-1 looking at the KBs lol id rather cease and desist the TESTIE hey look, now all I see is a red bar. Works better than a report imo cause the post actually goes away lol Would have been 1:1 but the south ran.
heh, they couldn't get organized to fight the supreme coordination and leadership structure of the north.
According to the south, we're all dumb F1 drones and they are better than us. You would have thought with all the intelligence in the south, they would have had the mental capacity to know they'd need dudes. Too bad your dudes didn't like each other.
See you in Catch.
A list of fixes for the new inventory
Dual Pane idea clicky |
Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
17
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Posted - 2012.07.16 06:13:00 -
[240] - Quote
#catch2012 |
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Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
880
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Posted - 2012.07.16 07:23:00 -
[241] - Quote
Katie Corb wrote:#catch2012 It's more than a feeling...
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Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
43
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Posted - 2012.07.16 09:36:00 -
[242] - Quote
oh you ass... this is what you got stuck in my head... Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |
Tallianna Avenkarde
O C C U P Y
365
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Posted - 2012.07.16 13:42:00 -
[243] - Quote
A bit of additiinal information that hasn't been mentioned here..
99 inadvertantly started the sov war in delve. Seeing Nulli/Ra being distracted by Test/PL further south we decided to ninja flip ZXB and start working on S-6 station with our awesomely huge fleets of 30 tier 3 BC's. On the final timer for S-6 Soco Decided to bring a 200 man fleet to wipe us out, and PL/TEST as the awesome big bros that they are came to save us.
After batphoning -A- and continued badposting Honey badgers decided that SoCo were not worthy of space any more, and #Delve2012 happened.
#Catch2012 And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
272
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Posted - 2012.07.16 13:47:00 -
[244] - Quote
Our eventual goal is to have a jumpbridge highway that goes all the way around the map
So far we've only got one that reaches from Tenal to Delve, and soon Period Basis once sov 3 kicks in. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
175
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Posted - 2012.07.16 14:11:00 -
[245] - Quote
Jafit wrote:Our eventual goal is to have a jumpbridge highway that goes all the way around the map
So far we've only got one that reaches from Tenal to Delve, and soon Period Basis once sov 3 kicks in.
...do we have enough corp bookmarks for that? Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
272
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Posted - 2012.07.16 14:34:00 -
[246] - Quote
Dave stark wrote:Jafit wrote:Our eventual goal is to have a jumpbridge highway that goes all the way around the map
So far we've only got one that reaches from Tenal to Delve, and soon Period Basis once sov 3 kicks in. ...do we have enough corp bookmarks for that?
...Hmm
The current 82 CFC jumpbridges require 164 corp bookmarks, What's the limit on corp BMs? 200? 256?
CCP we may need more corp bookmarks. 500 should be okay.
Alliance BMs would be cool too
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Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
175
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Posted - 2012.07.16 14:37:00 -
[247] - Quote
Jafit wrote:Dave stark wrote:Jafit wrote:Our eventual goal is to have a jumpbridge highway that goes all the way around the map
So far we've only got one that reaches from Tenal to Delve, and soon Period Basis once sov 3 kicks in. ...do we have enough corp bookmarks for that? ...Hmm The current 82 CFC jumpbridges require 164 corp bookmarks, What's the limit on corp BMs? 200? 256? CCP we may need more corp bookmarks. 500 should be okay. Alliance BMs would be cool too
250. between jump bridges and poses that runs out pretty fast.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
272
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Posted - 2012.07.16 15:09:00 -
[248] - Quote
Dave stark wrote:Jafit wrote:Dave stark wrote:Jafit wrote:Our eventual goal is to have a jumpbridge highway that goes all the way around the map
So far we've only got one that reaches from Tenal to Delve, and soon Period Basis once sov 3 kicks in. ...do we have enough corp bookmarks for that? ...Hmm The current 82 CFC jumpbridges require 164 corp bookmarks, What's the limit on corp BMs? 200? 256? CCP we may need more corp bookmarks. 500 should be okay. Alliance BMs would be cool too 250. between jump bridges and poses that runs out pretty fast.
CCP, please make JBs warpable from anywhere in the system via the overview, like gates, TCUs and SBUs. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
178
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Posted - 2012.07.16 15:17:00 -
[249] - Quote
Jafit wrote:Dave stark wrote:Jafit wrote:Dave stark wrote:Jafit wrote:Our eventual goal is to have a jumpbridge highway that goes all the way around the map
So far we've only got one that reaches from Tenal to Delve, and soon Period Basis once sov 3 kicks in. ...do we have enough corp bookmarks for that? ...Hmm The current 82 CFC jumpbridges require 164 corp bookmarks, What's the limit on corp BMs? 200? 256? CCP we may need more corp bookmarks. 500 should be okay. Alliance BMs would be cool too 250. between jump bridges and poses that runs out pretty fast. CCP, please make JBs warpable from anywhere in the system via the overview, like gates, TCUs and SBUs.
then they have to filter out if it's friendly or not else you'll just have cloakys camping your jump bridges... hassle, just give us more bookmarks. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
273
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Posted - 2012.07.16 15:51:00 -
[250] - Quote
Dave stark wrote: then they have to filter out if it's friendly or not else you'll just have cloakys camping your jump bridges... hassle, just give us more bookmarks.
POS guns are the reason JBs don't get camped, not the fact that they're not displayed like gates.
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Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
180
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Posted - 2012.07.16 15:58:00 -
[251] - Quote
Jafit wrote:Dave stark wrote: then they have to filter out if it's friendly or not else you'll just have cloakys camping your jump bridges... hassle, just give us more bookmarks.
POS guns are the reason JBs don't get camped, not the fact that they're not displayed like gates.
i keep forgetting poses have guns... Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1208
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:44:00 -
[252] - Quote
Dave stark wrote:Jafit wrote:Dave stark wrote: then they have to filter out if it's friendly or not else you'll just have cloakys camping your jump bridges... hassle, just give us more bookmarks.
POS guns are the reason JBs don't get camped, not the fact that they're not displayed like gates. i keep forgetting poses have guns... They're there to shoot people that try and camp :) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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