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Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.05.15 13:29:00 -
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Have you all gone insane? Yes, I'm talking to you Concord-killer wannabee's, to all you band-wagon jumpers and political opportunists. Are you even aware what has happened? For those who are blissfully unaware, here a few simple questions and answers:
What is this about? Sansha forces have been attacking populated planets in Empire space through wormholes, trying to abduct citizens. Capsuleers are angry at Concord because they accuse them of some kind of 'coverup' and feel Concord should have communicated certain information earlier.
What should have been communicated earlier? Reports about increased Sansha activity and unusual operations held by Sansha forces in W-space.
Who knew about this before the attacks?
- Concord. The Inner Circle Tribunal received direct copies of the reports. Concord chose to try and actively keep it out of the media.
- The Sisters of EVE. In fact, Santimona Sarpati, CEO of the Sisters, even directly received a copy of one of these reports. The Sisters of EVE chose not to make any of this public
- The intelligence services of the Amarr Empire, Caldari State, Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic. They chose to never make this public.
- Julianus Soter, former Syneose Accord CEO, was aware of these operations as a leak provided him with classified reports. He chose not to publish any of this until *after* the attacks started.
- ISD. A leak provided them with details of the operation. After an initial report they not to publish any more material under pressure from Concord.
Did anyone of the parties above know that Sansha would try and attack Empire space through wormholes and try to abduct citizens? Most likely no. There was no indication in the recovered reports that the Sansha were planning this.
If people had known the Sansha would do this, would it have helped prevent the Sansha attacks? Most likely no. Even now after many of these attacks the method and purpose of the attacks is still a mysterious and nobody has been able to predict where the next attack will strike.
Is Concord under any obligation to make its covert operations public? Definitely no. Concord does not answer to 'the public', let alone the capsuleer community.
What would have happened if Concord had made this operation public? At best it would most likely tip off the targets of the investiation, rendering the operation itself useless. At worst capsuleers will converge on the location and actively interfere in such operations by shooting at reconaissance vessels in X-7OMU.
Who is Concord obligated to inform? Representatives of the four major powers. These powers were informed. In fact, they were part of the operation itself, including the Sisters of EVE.
Is it unusual for organizations to keep their covert operations, well, covert? Not at all. In fact, all organization carefully guard their knowledge. Even Julianus Soter and the Syneose Accord kept the classified reports they got their hands on under the table until after the attacks.
What would have happened if Concord didn't send out an expedition? The attacks would still have taken place. Perhaps the four major powers and Concord would have even been less prepared. The only advantage would be that there would have been no accusations of 'coverups' and or petitions against Concord.
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Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.05.15 13:35:00 -
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Why are capsuleers shooting at Concord vessels during the Sansha attacks? Because they can. Apparently they think it is justified to kill employees of an organization who's leaders decided that they wanted to keep a secret they were not under any obligation to share, and the sharing of which would likely have had only detrimental effects.
Why aren't capsuleers shooting at other parties who knew about this and didn't make it public as well? I haven't got a clue. Perhaps they hold some grudge for Concord destroying their vessels in the past for some crime. Perhaps they are outlaws and are using this incident to discredit Concord and rehabilitate themselves?
Who stand to gain the most from the public outcry against Concord? The Sansha. Capsuleer outlaws and criminals.
What would happen if Concord agreed they have failed, agreed that they are corrupt and dismantle their organization? The Sansha attacks would still go on, but with Concord falling away something far more dangerous than Sansha attacks would happen. Capsuleers would be given free reign to shoot at whomever they pleased in high-security space, causing trillions of deaths and most likely a complete economic collapse in a matter of weeks.
A Timeline:
28th of March Concord organizes a four-week reconaissance mission in the Stain region. A taskforce consisting of DED forces, the intelligence divisions of the four major powers and the Sisters of EVE was send to Stain. The purpose of the mission was to investigate increased communication activity of Sansha forces.
2nd of April Elements of the Concord taskforce have spotted a large Sansha fleet entering X-7OMU from wormhole space. Concord reports mention of a 'media-block' concerning this investigation which has been penetrated by a leak to the ISD.
1st of May All contact is lost with a Ducia Foundry expedition into W-space which started from X-7OMU. At request of Ducia Foundry a Sisters of EVE vessel is sent into W-space to investigate the matter.
7th of May The Scope acquires sensor logs from the Sister of EVE vessel mentioned above. The sensor logs show all crew missing and superficial damage to Ducia Foundry vessels not in accordance with Sleeper weaponry.
7th of May Justin Valler of the Syneose Accord publishes an analysis on the Intergalactic Summit, noting that this is an unusual attack pattern for Sleepers. He theorizes the attacks are Sleepers trying to use the people as vessels or Blooder Cultists expanding their area of operations.
7th of May Concord notes that the report of Justin Valler has brought the Ducia Foundry incident to the awareness of more capsuleers and state that they will be monitoring developments and will start surveillance operations directed at the Syneose Accord.
10th of May The Syneose Accord is re-activated and request capsuleer assistance for an expedition to Sleeper space. The reason for the re-activation is that they received information from classified documents which they judge dangerous.
10th of May Concord reports mention the re-activation of the Syneose Accord. Concord mentions they have agreed to a media block with ISD. The report mentions that they will monitor communication concerning this matter.
11th May Sansha attacks on Empire planets from W-space start. Julianus Soter leaks confidential reports from Concord to the IGS. Concord is unsuccessful in suppressing the reports.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.05.15 13:45:00 -
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You wouldn't think I'd say this in public, but Merdaneth makes a lot of sense here.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente SUECHTLER Inc. THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.05.15 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 15/05/2010 14:23:24 One question.
Is your faith in CONCORD so completely overbearing that you would trust them blindly in any and all reference to this situation we have currently?
I would refer you to some parts of our history recorded here on GalNET and other sources to show that not all members of CONCORD, D.E.D and other "Trusted" parts of our current governments are completely honest with us.
Specifically the logs of one pilot whose brother is in the D.E.D, whom on disobeying directives went out to help his so called "Pirate" brother in taking out the shields of a Sansha station. The station in question was out in immensea, exactly which I cannot remember.
In the logs were the opinions of a Jove pilot of unknown groundings who said that "Some parties within Concord/DED would probably defer allowing the general public information to this area because of possible personal or Corporationary gain" (Paraphrased I admit, I will have to find the logs and reference them for you when I have found a suitable meduim).
EDIT: The paper with the logs are covered in this article here: Logs and reference material ----------------------------
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.05.15 14:24:00 -
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Saying "this particular thing does not seem to be CONCORD's fault to the extent that capsuleer parties imply" is not quite the same as "trust them blindly in any and all reference".
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Llyandrian
Amarr Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2010.05.15 14:25:00 -
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Several of those responsible for the destruction of the Concord investigator's ship are known Sansha sympathisers.
The question is; Are the rest hoodwinked dupes or a Sansha fifth column?
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente SUECHTLER Inc. THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.05.15 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 15/05/2010 14:34:09 My point in the above post is not to ridicule yourself or anything you stand for. Believe me I am not that kind of pilot. But I do want fully educated (as far as intelligence allows) decisions and requests made by people that think (again not suggesting you don't you understand) and consider a number of possibilities for it all.
My main concern is that the Sansha tech that may have led to the capability of generating wormholes could well be a cover up of the governing bodies, considering that they could be the self same ones with which the Jove pilot had a problem with in the past and first place.
EDIT:
Quote: Saying "this particular thing does not seem to be CONCORD's fault to the extent that capsuleer parties imply" is not quite the same as "trust them blindly in any and all reference".
Ok. Point conceded, however it seems to me (maybe a language barrier, I am after all Gallente, still trying to get to grips with this "universal" language. (ooc: am english but I frequently misunderstand things when text is the medium rather than spoken words with inflection etc)
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente SUECHTLER Inc. THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.05.15 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 15/05/2010 14:45:30 Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 15/05/2010 14:45:09 For exact reference to my point I have extracted this from the logs:
Quote: ôThere are certain elements within the DED which stand to benefit directly from this information, Commander. Some would almost certainly use it to advance their own personal incentives, rather than promote the cause of the greater good, as the DED mission statement specifies.ô
As you see, if a Jove pilot wanted this to be public knowledge rather than leaving it to the governing bodies it may well be better to get more information before we can really say what is going on.
Now whether CONCORD and DED decide to release it themselves it is up to them. HOWEVER I would urge them to do so to further relations between CONCORD and Capsuleers... ----------------------------
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BloodBird
Nova Foundry
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Posted - 2010.05.15 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon You wouldn't think I'd say this in public, but Merdaneth makes a lot of sense here.
Elsebeth
I never understood this kind of idiotic concern.
Is Merdaneth an Amarrian?
Yes.
Is he a loyal Imperial?
Yes.
Is he a slaver?
Far as I know, YES.
Does this make him an 'opponent' to you, Elsebeth, and indeed myself?
Hell yes.
I'll make it simple and clear. Merdaneth is not my friend - nor yours. He supports a nation directly opposed to my own, and yours. He is an ENEMY, in a wide range of ways. Direct, political, ideological, moral and more.
And yet he is right in THIS MATTER. This absurd reaction to CONCORD is hardly explained better than what he has done right now. I agree with his claims here, and support it fully. I'm prett sure your reply of "Merdaneth makes alot of sense here." means that, in this case, you agree with him as well.
It is in no way shameful to say that in public, nor is it hard when the man is RIGHT. It won't magically make neither you nor me or anyone else who happen to agree with him in this case his friend or slaver-ally or anything, despite the fact several others might think so. Let them.
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Opposing CONCORD in this manner is detrimental ONLY to ourselves. All empires are under assault here, The Sansha's are out for revenge or whatever, and they have decided we are all equally yummy as Kuvakei's little mindless pets.
Opposing CONCORD for doing their jobs, indeed trying to contain mass-panic and unrest in the wider population is idiotic, killing their crews and yelling for the blood of their operatives childish and absurd. you might as well fire on your own navies and demand they all roll over and disband the nations.
I was there, in Arnon - I was on my way from FRARN, and 4-5 systems out I hear over coms the battle is over. 4-5 system jumps LATER, I arrive above the skies of the 11th planet and have time to see a CONOCRD ship blown up - long after the battle is over.
Sutola Endoma was not a danger to anyone present and the Capsuleers and the Federation Navy handled the attack admirably - they did not handle her actions as well.
Everyone on the precious kill-mail for Endoma's vessel has achieved nothing except kill a great deal of innocents in a moment's extacy of juvenile mob-justice. Your a disgrace to the huamn race, to Capsuleers in general, and should be ashamed. If you have issues with CONCORD doing what they were created to do, by all means take it up with them. In a civilized and grown-up manner. Taking this case to a protest in Yulai seems a far better idea, than shooting them. Voicing your concerns in public appears a far better option than brandishing your guns and yelling "do as we demand, or else!"
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Jandice Ymladris
Caldari Planet Patrol
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Posted - 2010.05.15 15:17:00 -
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While Merdaneth is correct on his points, he does forget to mention that Concord still tries to cover up the attacks.
At the Umokka assault Concord stated in local that there was nothing going on, that the attack was a result of a conflict between two rival corporations and nothing else. We were ordered to leave and leave the wreckage as Concord would clear it. This alone is strange behaviour from Concord who normally either come down hard on any offender (capsuleer firing at another in highsec without regulation) or just ignore the shootout (two corporations at war). By my knowledge Concord doesn't clean the wrecks, ever.
On the Concord BS destruction, the officer aboard ordered the present capsuleers to forget what they saw & that nothing happened. Anyone violating that would have faced consequences. Apparantly she also said it in a less then diplomatic way. The Federation Navy official present even stated she did not have the authority to make such demands and was ordered to leave. As she refused and kept making demands to keep it under lid & that everyone should keep silent about it, the capsuleers turned against Concord. This does NOT justify their actions, but it can be understood better.
While it is true that many organisations knew about the increased activity of the Sansha & nobody could foresee these largescale attacks from them. All major powers involved have been cooperative & assisted capsuleers in defens of systems & delivering information since it became clear with what we're dealing, Sansha raids on the 4 major empires. The only ones who still deny it are Concord, this is also the main reason so many capsuleers are angry towards them.
Should the information about the Sansha activity been opened to public sooner? Perhaps, but I fully understand why they didn't, it was a covert ops, and they probably assumed they could handle it, wich turned out not. But the best course of action for Concord is now to open up on their odd behaviour towards the Sansha's + the fact they denied that these invasions were the work of the Sansha Nation even as they were happening. -------------- Cleaning up wrecks others leave behind! Got to keep space clean! |
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Alyssa Rhiannon
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Posted - 2010.05.15 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: BloodBird
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon You wouldn't think I'd say this in public, but Merdaneth makes a lot of sense here. Elsebeth
I never understood this kind of idiotic concern.
You did notice it was not my concern; I did state that I agree with him.
Whether CONCORD tries or not to cover it up now does not really matter. They have zero chance in succeeding. Practically every capsuleer knows, which means most of the crews know, which means all docksides know. Keeping something like that from reaching anyone with any newsfeed access is impossible.
Elsebeth
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente SUECHTLER Inc. THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.05.15 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Alyssa Rhiannon
Originally by: BloodBird
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon You wouldn't think I'd say this in public, but Merdaneth makes a lot of sense here. Elsebeth
I never understood this kind of idiotic concern.
You did notice it was not my concern; I did state that I agree with him.
Whether CONCORD tries or not to cover it up now does not really matter. They have zero chance in succeeding. Practically every capsuleer knows, which means most of the crews know, which means all docksides know. Keeping something like that from reaching anyone with any newsfeed access is impossible.
Elsebeth
I take it this was relayed to us via you Elsabeth's sister because she was unable to directly reply at this time. Probably on another Sansha hunt. Correct?
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Utremi Fasolasi
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.15 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jandice Ymladris
On the Concord BS destruction, the officer aboard ordered the present capsuleers to forget what they saw & that nothing happened.
That is not what she said, the exact quote is in another thread here. It was clear to anyone with functioning translator devices that she said she was unable to discuss what was going on when people demanded answers from her in Local, and when further pressed with questions, began to state what the official version of her report would be - that it was just a mob of outlaw capsuleers firing on each other and out of control.. and the subsequent actions by a few gave substance to her version of events.
CONCORD mainly exists to mediate disputes diplomatically, and police capsuleers, not fight pirate invasions. That is why agents hire us constantly to repel pirate incursions into hisec. We have much more wealth and firepower collectively than they ever will, and instead of complaining they aren't doing enough, it is much more productive to take responsibility for preserving freedom into our own hands and take up arms against this ultimate threat to universal freedom ourselves as we have been. CONCORD is irrelevant in this and is best ignored.
They certainly don't owe capsuleers any answers. Why would they? Isn't it enough that they already pay us huge bounties for repelling the Sansha fleets on their behalf? I was generously paid nearly 5 million isk in the Otarlik incident earlier, to basically show up and deploy drones. I am sure others were paid much more for their work. CONCORD isk is all the answers I need from them. |
Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.05.15 16:30:00 -
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Just a moment ago I was talking with mr. Soter, trying to find out what his reasons were for appearing so angry and aggressive towards Concord. To this end I asked him simple questions:
Merdaneth > Why did you order an attack on Concord affiliated vessel? Julianus Soter > Because he disobeyed direct orders of Federation Navy commanders present in-system. Julianus Soter > And issued an illegal media blackout Julianus Soter > And information control ultimatum. Julianus Soter > He was preventing us from conducting even basic search and rescue operations of the battlefield.
The second reason (an illegal media blackout) is clear nonsense. For an act to be illegal, laws need to be broken. I'm not aware of any laws that were broken. The third reasons (someone trying to control information) is also not sufficient a reason to fire upon someone. Trying to control information is not illegal. I could not question mr. Soter about his fourth reason. I'm quite sure that requesting someone to leave has not and will never prevent search and rescue operations. The first reason could conceivably be a valid reason to attack a Concord vessel, if one is affiliated with the Federation Navy and one receives a direct orders to do so. Let is be clear that Mr. Soter was not affiliated with the Federation Navy at the time.
Merdaneth > Where you ordered to fire by Federation Navy commanders? Julianus Soter > I told you no, captain.
In other words, mr. Soter took it upon himself to remove the Concord vessel from the scene and encourage others to do likewise while it was unclear what harm the Concord vessel was actually doing.
Merdaneth > Why didn't you share the 'classified information' as soon as you got it mr. Soter? Julianus Soter > Because the intelligence was extremely sensitive. JUlianus Soter > Once I confirmed the situation in Frarn, I transmitted it as quickly as possible. Kaleigh Doyle > "That's the same line CONCORD's been feeding us Julianus..." Julianus Soter > I shared it with people I trusted, Doyle.
Here we have mr. Soter admitting he withheld information because he considered it sensitive and was only sharing it with 'trusted' others. He was doing *exactly* the same as Concord operatives seemed to do.
Moments after these questions, while I tried to answer questions from mr. Soter himself, my access to the Syne Public channel was revoked. Without warning, reason or comment.
Obviously, my questions, neutral as they were, were seen as provocative and upsetting. Mr. Soter's response makes me suspicious of his motives. My question would be: is there more mr. Soter is trying to hide? We already knows he only shares sensitive information with those he trusts. We also know he feels threatened by a Concord official speaking on local comm channels. What reason does mr. Soter have to 'silence' this Concord operative, or to silence myself by ordering me removed from the Syneose Accord public channel, a organization he is not even a member of anymore? ____
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Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.05.15 20:17:00 -
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Further investigation into the of matter of mr. Soter's interest and stance on this issue can be found here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1318896 ____
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Sinjin Mokk
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.05.15 20:55:00 -
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As I have stated, Concord is a business and not a government. They are in violation of standing treaties by supporting these Sansha corporations and Concord cannot supercede local attsmpts at law enforcement.
It is on this point we should seek peaceful resolution while seeking the eradication of any and all who would claim to be or claim to support the Sansha "nation."
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Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.05.15 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sinjin Mokk As I have stated, Concord is a business and not a government. They are in violation of standing treaties by supporting these Sansha corporations and Concord cannot supercede local attsmpts at law enforcement.
Brother Mokk, they are not supporting these Sansha corporations, they are merely preventing capsuleers like yourself act as judge, jury and executioner. Next thing you know capsuleers that use Sansha implants, ships or modules are considered Sansha supporters, or people accuse others of being Sansha in hopes of the next vigilante attacking them without question.
Concord allows you to declare war on a corporation you suspect of Sansha affiliation, I suggest you use the tools available. Or concentrate on the reclaiming.
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Kenrailae
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Posted - 2010.05.16 04:08:00 -
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Ack, it seems I missed much while Having interfacting issues with my Pod!
Regardless of Concord's Flaws in information monitoring, did they not send additional ships to support their beleagured ship? That is an oddity in typical Concord behavior, who typically respond in at least groups of 3, if not more.
Regretfully, I was not able to be present to support the destruction of the Sansha ships, but by no means would I ever support the attack on Concord, at least with the information at hand. Even if Concord is opposing our resistance, what service do we do ourselves by adding action to their claims of us being destructive and, for lack of a better term, blood thirsty pirates?
If Concord only stays quiet a short time longer, and we continue with attacks like that, what more proof will they need to enact laws against us?
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Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.16 04:12:00 -
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I would be more worried about the reaction of the four Empires if we did that.
CONCORD does after all provide security between them and I would think they wouldn't look too kindly on such behavior from our side.
If we keep up with aggression, CONCORD could very well enact laws against us as you said, but the Empires too could turn chilly as well.
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Caellach Marellus
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.05.16 05:08:00 -
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Quote: [ 2010.05.16 04:10:45 ] Sutola Endoma > Please disperse, there is nothing to see here. [ 2010.05.16 04:13:26 ] Sutola Endoma > CONCORD is handling the situation, move along. [ 2010.05.16 04:15:46 ] Sutola Endoma > Any personal interaction with Sansha's Nation pirates will be taken as aiding wanted criminals. [ 2010.05.16 04:17:37 ] Sutola Endoma > ./entity deploy 25 Sansha's Behemoth
[ 2010.05.16 04:19:14 ] Slave Tama01 > Sutola. You are no longer of use to Master. [ 2010.05.16 04:19:30 ] Sutola Endoma > It is not your place to judge me, slave! [ 2010.05.16 04:19:50 ] Sutola Endoma > I was Nation eons before you came into existence!
[ 2010.05.16 04:21:59 ] Sutola Endoma > I'll show you my true potential! [ 2010.05.16 04:22:05 ] Sutola Endoma > Come capsuleers, come and meet your doom! [ 2010.05.16 04:22:53 ] Sutola Endoma > The only difference between an insurgent and a patriot is time! [ 2010.05.16 04:24:19 ] Sutola Endoma > I will stand next to the true master of New Eden!
I believe you owe an apology to the people who engaged last time Merdaneth. We stand vindicated in the knowledge that Sutola Endoma is a Nation supporter. --------------------------------------
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BloodBird
Nova Foundry
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Posted - 2010.05.16 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Caellach Marellus
Quote: [ 2010.05.16 04:10:45 ] Sutola Endoma > Please disperse, there is nothing to see here. [ 2010.05.16 04:13:26 ] Sutola Endoma > CONCORD is handling the situation, move along. [ 2010.05.16 04:15:46 ] Sutola Endoma > Any personal interaction with Sansha's Nation pirates will be taken as aiding wanted criminals. [ 2010.05.16 04:17:37 ] Sutola Endoma > ./entity deploy 25 Sansha's Behemoth
[ 2010.05.16 04:19:14 ] Slave Tama01 > Sutola. You are no longer of use to Master. [ 2010.05.16 04:19:30 ] Sutola Endoma > It is not your place to judge me, slave! [ 2010.05.16 04:19:50 ] Sutola Endoma > I was Nation eons before you came into existence!
[ 2010.05.16 04:21:59 ] Sutola Endoma > I'll show you my true potential! [ 2010.05.16 04:22:05 ] Sutola Endoma > Come capsuleers, come and meet your doom! [ 2010.05.16 04:22:53 ] Sutola Endoma > The only difference between an insurgent and a patriot is time! [ 2010.05.16 04:24:19 ] Sutola Endoma > I will stand next to the true master of New Eden!
I believe you owe an apology to the people who engaged last time Merdaneth. We stand vindicated in the knowledge that Sutola Endoma is a Nation supporter.
Not entierly true. Sutola Endoma was a traitor, and I was with you there to see that in person. I was with you there to kill her ship AND pod.
However, unless you wish to believe that all of CONCORD stands with Sansha, she was acting alone.
What we need to know NOW, is if she had any others with her and to open CONCORD's eyes that they need to assist us, directly.
------------------------------------- Alexander Kamy· Allisieer - CO-founder, NOVAF |
dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins Redneck Rage
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Posted - 2010.05.16 05:13:00 -
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I ordered the attack of Sutola's vessel by my 42-person fleet the moment I saw these statements. Ship and pod destroyed. *SPLUD* |
Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.16 05:17:00 -
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Well, it seems like it's true then.
However, I don't see any reason why any apology should be given. The arguments were sound and logical with what was known at the time, they did make sense.
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Natalcya Katla
Naqam
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Posted - 2010.05.16 05:19:00 -
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This is a beautiful day. Today, a terrible beauty was born.
Sutola Endoma stands as an example for all of CONCORD to follow. She is a true hero.
Commander Endoma, I salute you!
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.05.16 05:23:00 -
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Spy's sabotagin' our CONCORD! -----
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Caellach Marellus
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.05.16 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rolare Well, it seems like it's true then.
However, I don't see any reason why any apology should be given. The arguments were sound and logical with what was known at the time, they did make sense.
Sutola Endoma was already judged at the time by all pilots who fired to be in the way of our attempts to counter and defeat the Sansha.
Her blockades on the press and information was causing us difficulties in recruiting capsuleers to the cause.
She was already acting in a detrimental effect to all Empires. She defied orders given by the Federation Navy officer who had jurisdiction, thus usurping Gallente authority.
We had right to fire then, now we are truly vindicated for our actions.
Now I suggest we make up and come to terms over this, and work together in removing this Tinpot Toaster freaks from our space. --------------------------------------
All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance |
Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
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Posted - 2010.05.16 06:57:00 -
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Sutola Endoma told us not to defend Arnon when the Sanshas attacked there. I fired on her in the heat of the moment, but I don't regret it.
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Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.05.16 08:12:00 -
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From this new evidence it seems like ms. Endoma was in league with the Sansha. Perhaps this was what the information that mr. Soter still kept private indicated, it would certainly explain his aggression towards Concord better.
It is my hypothesis that the information mr. Soter possesses indicated that Concord had been infiltrated by the Sansha. It is also my hypothesis that the information was not specific enough to point out individual traitors. Hence mr. Soter's general distrust for Concord and willingness to fire on them.
It is also my hypothesis that the Sansha have more followers inside the Concord organization. They would not be so quick to sacrifice ms. Endoma if they had no other contacts.
I still believe it is extremely unwise to 'take up arms against Concord'. I still think an investigation is needed. Removal of people from office might only serve to promote infiltrators into positions of power.
Also, if Concord has infiltrators, it is likely that the other organizations (The Sisters of EVE and the intelligence services of the four major powers) also have infiltrators or sleeper agents. I would consider anyone directly involved with the expedition suspect at this stage.
The Sansha's most successful trick at this stage is fostering paranoia: making us unwilling to trust each other. In the capsuleer community, where trust is often already a fragile thing, this would be an optimal strategem. Therefore I would advise to use caution, but don't fall into paranoia. Rely on evidence, and don't allow yourself to be led by fear. Trust in God and pray. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins Redneck Rage
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Sansha's Nation equipment was in the cargohold. Implants and control modules. *SPLUD* |
Wedgetail
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Given that information and the nature by which the Nation has been launching their attacks... it's not at all surprising that they may have reached someone within CONCORD.
It is possible they achieved this by using their ability to manipulate wormholes - in tandem with some kind of covert technology.
(at this time is nothing but speculation, I have no evidence to support that this is what actually occurred, I am merely stating that it seems possible given the circumstances and actions of the representative involved.)
What I find most disturbing is that CONCORD with all its eyes and ears failed to act on the aggressions within high security systems I fail to comprehend how information of these engagements failed to reach their many eyes and ears - and stranger still that they failed to intervene to contain these outbreaks of aggression by members of the nation or otherwise. |
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