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Raieyon
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Posted - 2010.05.17 19:40:00 -
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I am looking for a good way to earn cash that can sustain my expanding ambitions. I have been playing approximatley 5 months and I'm skilled more towards battle and e-war than trade or science. I have done a few cosmos missions and gotten some storyline bpcs but the skill books I need to build these are 136 MILL. Thats a chunk of change for a newer player. I do have a class 2 wormhole at my disposal but my mining skills are not the greastest and any salvage parts and or ancient tech we get from sleepers, anaylizing, or hacking sites go to my corp for the advancement of our members(donated willingly). Any good ideas on how to quickly earn some cash would be awesome, and any buisness proposals that my character could accomplish for you would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance to all who post.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.05.17 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: SencneS on 17/05/2010 19:48:06 Spend time researching good ways to make ISK will get ISK faster and more reliable then pan handling for ideas.
Edit:- Yes, I mean no one is going to tell you anything.
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Companion Trollin
You are going too fast
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Posted - 2010.05.17 19:51:00 -
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1. Buy a freighter 2. ??? 3. Profit!
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.05.17 19:51:00 -
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(a) 5 months is not really "new" (b) you let your corp take all of your (probably quite substantial) earnings and are happy about it before thinking any further look up the Jita prices on sleeper salvage and the NPC prices for tags and calculate how much you donate to your corp; then have a nice talk with your CEO (c) quick cash -> sleeper sites, plexes, ratting, mission running, mining (or ninja salvaging if you lack the skills/want to do it on an alt) (d) trading & industry are not quick cash and require some research (and - depending on your plan - some starting capital)
tl;dr you give away all your earnings and complain you don't have enough ISK => fail?
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Raieyon
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Posted - 2010.05.17 19:53:00 -
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Not asking for full on ideas just maybe suggestions of paths I could take to earning isk.
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Companion Trollin
You are going too fast
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Posted - 2010.05.17 19:56:00 -
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Find something you like doing - whether that's missions, pvp, mining, WH sites, etc - and do it. Once you're more experienced you'll figure out how to profit off of other people who do the same things.
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Originally by: CCP Shadow Off-topic posts dealing with sexual orientation have been removed. Please keep this discussion on-topic.
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Raieyon
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Posted - 2010.05.17 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mme Pinkerton (b) you let your corp take all of your (probably quite substantial) earnings and are happy about it [:shock:
tl;dr you give away all your earnings and complain you don't have enough ISK => fail?
I am not complaining of having low isk just trying to find ways to make more. and all the items are stockpiled by my corp (which is a group of close friends) for tech 2 ships and modules and tech 3 ships and subsystems saving myself isk in the long run b/c my corp can build that tengu and all subsystems for it for free.
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Koyo Zerin
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.17 20:23:00 -
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If you're skills are mostly combat based, level 4 missions in a decent battleship should be a good option. Also, in line with the opinions expressed above about all the donations to your corp, I'd make sure you're going to be included in the "advancement of (y)our members" that you referred to. Corps have a way of soaking up more than they pay out to their members if people aren't careful.
Not saying that corps and group efforts can't be profitable for everyone, but it still pays to make sure it really is profitable for everyone. If you put in more than you eventually get out, you have a right to wonder where the extra is going.
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PinkFish
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Posted - 2010.05.17 20:56:00 -
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As I was once a new player myself, I would love to help you out with an ISK donation to the tune of 1 billion ISK! However, all of my ISK is tied up in assets trapped in a 0.0 station which I can no longer access. I have a contact in the new controlling alliance who is willing to smuggle my assets and wealth back out, but he requires 100 million isk up front to cover his own costs. If you would be so kind as to send me 100mil isk I would gladly return your money x 10!
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Tehg Rhind
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Posted - 2010.05.17 21:02:00 -
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I'm confused. From what I gleaned from your post you are set up in a class 2 wormhole right? If so (and if I understand wh life well) then things like running missions and station trading are totally out.
You are already in one of the most profitable places in EvE. Your first problem is that somehow you aren't making money in the wormhole, which is....kind of weird. Also, if you are in a wormhole and your Corp is cool with you leaving the wormhole for extended periods.....that's also weird.
Frankly nothing about your post makes much sense.
But....I dunno. I guess you could ransom pilots that come into your hole, or gank them. That should make you some good cash. Or set up a secondary pos with a bunch of labs for researching BPs.
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JASON W0RTHING
Nomad LLP Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2010.05.17 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: JASON W0RTHING on 17/05/2010 21:14:28 Lvl 4s or trading. Station trading (543.02-->543.03) takes some brainz but you make lots of iskies. Hauler trading (Buy Jita---->sell not jita) takes few skills and a little less brainz and can also make you significant amounts of iskies. Lvl 4s (nap time!) take some time investment in skills/standings but are a good source of isk that is practically risk-free.
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WTF you in a WH and doing sites and have no money??!! K, easy solution, next time you do some sites, ask for your share of the loot. Say you broke and need money for skillbooks. If they really u friend they should have no problem with that. If they not u friend then they u enemy and they tooken ur stuff and so you need to *pew-pew* until they give you ur stuff back then leave.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.05.17 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Raieyon [...] b/c my corp can build that tengu and all subsystems for it for free.
this is the one sentence you will wish you never said in this forum
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Raieyon
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Posted - 2010.05.17 21:30:00 -
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Ok so everyone will quit slammin my corp. I keep some salvage materials but most go to corp, I keep enough to earn enough isk to keep my ships fitted, keep ammo and drones. My corp does not ask me to donate I do it willingly. And this leads to any ship or item i might need that i can not afford. I was just looking for other ways to make isk so I could buy myself so i would have to depend on them so much.
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Raieyon
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Posted - 2010.05.17 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
Originally by: Raieyon [...] b/c my corp can build that tengu and all subsystems for it for free.
this is the one sentence you will wish you never said in this forum
to specify free corp members are required to buy own blueprint copy, and must have donated materials for corp to build one free of charge.
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Rhivre
Caldari TarNec
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Posted - 2010.05.17 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Raieyon Ok so everyone will quit slammin my corp. I keep some salvage materials but most go to corp, I keep enough to earn enough isk to keep my ships fitted, keep ammo and drones. My corp does not ask me to donate I do it willingly. And this leads to any ship or item i might need that i can not afford. I was just looking for other ways to make isk so I could buy myself so i would have to depend on them so much.
The thing is, if you sold those salvage materials on the market, you might be able to afford to buy the ship or items you want :)
Anyway, back on track....make sure you set up buy orders for ammo and drones...will save you a fair bit of isk.
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Colog
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Posted - 2010.05.17 21:51:00 -
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Why don't you figure out the rate that you collect salvage parts, then figure out when you are realistically going to be flying a tengu (being only 5 months old) then save up whatever percentage you need to have the stuff stocked up for construction when you are ready to fly it. Take the rest and sell it for your non-tengu iskies. No-one is really trying to trash your corp but it is an old scam to have new players 'donate' all there productive labor for the corp and just line the execs pockets. Most corps would have you save up your own stuff until you had the needed materials and then give it to whoever was building the ship.
Also it isn't free. It is the value of whatever you could sell the materials for.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.05.17 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Raieyon Ok so everyone will quit slammin my corp. I keep some salvage materials but most go to corp, I keep enough to earn enough isk to keep my ships fitted, keep ammo and drones. My corp does not ask me to donate I do it willingly. And this leads to any ship or item i might need that i can not afford. I was just looking for other ways to make isk so I could buy myself so i would have to depend on them so much.
they depend on you in the first place...
If you want to get some good answers you will have to ask more specific questions. What are your limitations? (can your main leave the wh? 2nd account or alt? how much training time are you willing to devote to an alt?) What possibilities of making ISK have you thought of? which ones have you actually tried? what were your experiences? pro's & con's for each possible revenue stream?
I think if you would answer these questions you would get useful advice as people would start pointing out the pieces you are missing in your observations. If you feel that you cannot give decent answers to the questions above, then you really should do more research before asking here for advice.
The more effort you put into your questions, the more effort people on this forum will put into their answers.
If you want to make good ISK through trading or industry, you need (imho) two things to get started: you have to care about trading (i.e. get some personal satisfaction from being a successful trader) and you have to resist the urge to spend your money while you scale up (I fail at the second part ).
Trading (and industry) scales pretty well, but especially when you start out it is not "easy mode" (like mission running, for example). The only fixed recipe to follow is "buy low, sell high", everything else is a question of your intelligence, data mining and luck. Much of the more detailed stuff that gets commonly thrown around will be useless as that will be exactly the kind of stuff all the people who are too lazy to think for themselves will try their hands at (which means low/no profits for you).
PS: read up about "opportunity cost". now.
anecdote: the catalyst for me leaving my first corp was that I just didn't understand why I should have to attend corp mining (in high-sec, in an Apocalypse Navy Issue^^), when I could have contributed much more ISK to the corp by running lvl4s during the same time (and been on TS just as everyone doing the mining). Also my CEO was not willing to provide decent financial statements for the corp's income & expenses... on the other hand whenever we got new corp members (which was not too often but we were growing steadily) I would make sure they had a decently fitted ship and a set of +3 implants in their heads. I guess it's a question of mentality...
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Tehg Rhind
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Posted - 2010.05.18 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Raieyon Ok so everyone will quit slammin my corp. I keep some salvage materials but most go to corp, I keep enough to earn enough isk to keep my ships fitted, keep ammo and drones. My corp does not ask me to donate I do it willingly. And this leads to any ship or item i might need that i can not afford. I was just looking for other ways to make isk so I could buy myself so i would have to depend on them so much.
We're not slamming your corp, just your situation makes no sense (and maybe we are slamming you a bit.) Even your last line. You don't depend on them, they depend on you.
In this case even the people trying to help you have to teach you some basic concepts before we could even help you.
1) you need to look very closely at how many resources you generate in the wormhole. Total. Use EvE metrics and use Jita/Forge as your benchmark
2) look very closely at how many resources you are getting from your corp (things like those tengus.) Figure out the values the same way
now if you are putting 30 mil isk/week into the corp in resources, and you are only getting 15 back then there should be a good reason for it. There may be some devaluation of the resources due to overhead like fuel costs, or more experienced/skilled players that get a higher payout, but there shouldn't be much.
If you could make more money just taking the stuff into high sec and selling it (assuming you get HS gates regularly) then talk to your CEO, and figure out if you can just give an isk % to cover fuel and all that other nonsense.
From what I have read you are getting ships and stuff from them and that's it. And that's crap. Unless you are either allowed to resell these ships, or there may be a large payout at the end of the WH POSs life.
But you really need to do #1 and #2 above first. If you can't understand the basics of trade/oppurtunity cost in a simple example like this, the last thing you should start doing is trading.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.05.18 06:00:00 -
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There's always the Making ISK guide in the EVElopedia. [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
Raieyon
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Posted - 2010.05.18 13:17:00 -
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Thank You Mara Rinn!! This is the type of answer I was looking for in the first place a general overview of the different ways to make isk in eve. And to the rest, my corp does not depend on me. I am not a miner who lives in the WH, most of my time is spent outside and I go back to help with the occasional sleeper site or defense. Thanks again to Mara Rinn.
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