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Nikita Alterana
Gallente The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.05.19 01:31:00 -
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This is a call for a temporary Cease Fire between any and all conflicting parties during the defense of Civilians from the Sansha Menance.
This includes lowsec activity and a temporary end of wardecs.
I would like to specifically invite CVA, Ushra-Khan, Star Fraction, Militia forces and the subsidiary, and aligned elements of these forces to this table.
The cease fire, should it go through, will be imediate and unilateral. No conflict anywhere during the duration of the Sansha incursions.
I understand you all have your reasons for fighting, but are any of them worth the lives of the civilians that will be lost if we don't work together? What justification could you possibly use to warrent the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents for the sake of ideological, philisophical, and territorial arguements?
I'm asking everyone to put their pride aside for the sake of the greater good. 100 years ago, the empires stood united against Sansha's Nation, now, we must do the same.
Take your hatred of your neighbor, and hold it in your heart to pour forth into the body of the imoral beast that is Sansha's Nation.
We must put aside our differences to be as one force, true Unity despite adversity, as opposed to the mockery of Unity Sansha has created.
Holders, freedom fighters, freecaptains, tradesmen, Industrialists, warriors, Pod pilots everywhere, It is time to Stand United. It is time to rise above our differences, above our struggles. For if we do not, we will suffer in the end, the same fate that befell the millions already taken by Sansha. One way or another, we will end up united. It is up to use whether it is as free peoples, or as Slaves of Sansha Kuveki.
Pilots! United We Stand! Devided We Fall! It is time to stop fighting! For Freedom! For God and Empress! For Justice! For The State! For the Republic! May our battle cries be so loud that even in the true slaves quake in fear of our wrath.
Captains, I implore you, to stop fighting. Before more innocents pay the price of our pride.
Best Regards, Nikita Alterana
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.05.19 06:30:00 -
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Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.05.19 07:41:00 -
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I have already offered a unilateral ceasefire to those that desire to wage war upon me.
Similarly, I have declared war on capsuleer Sansha supporters.
However, considering the obvious tensions between the different sides, I believe an universal unilateral ceasefire will not be possible at this time.
Hence, in my conversation with mr. Ixiris I have suggested an alternative plan to an universal ceasefire which is more likely to be implemented and leading to greater cooperation against this mutual threat. He said he would work on it. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:23:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 19/05/2010 08:23:50
Such a wide-ranging ceasefire requires the input of the four major factions, and as such PIE Inc will not be laying down its arms until instructed to do so by our superiors in the imperial heirarchy.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Stenny Macduff
Amarr Virtus Ex Fides
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Posted - 2010.05.19 09:10:00 -
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Calls for a ceasefire should not be necessary. Each of the four empires possesses the wherewithall to defend their civilian populations against attack. As previously stated, I will not be found among the forces defending Matari or Gallente worlds and I advise capsuleers loyal to those two factions to stay out of Amarrian territory.
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Myxx
Gallente Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.05.19 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Stenny Macduff Calls for a ceasefire should not be necessary. Each of the four empires possesses the wherewithall to defend their civilian populations against attack. As previously stated, I will not be found among the forces defending Matari or Gallente worlds and I advise capsuleers loyal to those two factions to stay out of Amarrian territory.
what of those of us who are neutral, and just go where we are needed, when we're needed? Seems a bit harsh to reject help.
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Stenny Macduff
Amarr Virtus Ex Fides
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Posted - 2010.05.19 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: Stenny Macduff Calls for a ceasefire should not be necessary. Each of the four empires possesses the wherewithall to defend their civilian populations against attack. As previously stated, I will not be found among the forces defending Matari or Gallente worlds and I advise capsuleers loyal to those two factions to stay out of Amarrian territory.
what of those of us who are neutral, and just go where we are needed, when we're needed? Seems a bit harsh to reject help.
If your day to day activities don't align you against the Empire then you have nothing to fear.
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Pol Macsliebh
Minmatar Ridire Faolchu
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Posted - 2010.05.19 09:43:00 -
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A Cease Fire is what we need! one thing ..... Sarum renounces Slavery and the Amarr empire begins the release of "all" Slaves. Once that's done I'm sure can work together to fight of the Sansha. Until maybe the Amarr should reflect on the terror of being removed from ones home and family for a life of servitude and pain or maybe the Amarr and Sansha serve the same "god"
Pol Macsliebh
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Stenny Macduff
Amarr Virtus Ex Fides
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Posted - 2010.05.19 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pol Macsliebh A Cease Fire is what we need! one thing ..... Sarum renounces Slavery and the Amarr empire begins the release of "all" Slaves. Once that's done I'm sure can work together to fight of the Sansha. Until maybe the Amarr should reflect on the terror of being removed from ones home and family for a life of servitude and pain or maybe the Amarr and Sansha serve the same "god"
Pol Macsliebh
This lunacy has already been addressed multiple times. And really the constant attempts by Minmatar capsuleers to score cheap political "points" against the Empire in this time of crisis says more about the collective mindset of your people than mine.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.19 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Stenny Macduff
This lunacy has already been addressed multiple times. And really the constant attempts by Minmatar capsuleers to score cheap political "points" against the Empire in this time of crisis says more about the collective mindset of your people than mine.
Actually I don't think Pol was trying to "score cheap political points" but rather point out to the OP that just because there is a crisis it doesn't wash away our differences. Whilst most of us realise that this threat from Nation is grave indeed it is not the only threat to our individual and group values.
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Zverofaust
Gallente Locus Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.19 11:46:00 -
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No.
___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara |
Aodha Khan
Minmatar Necroborg. Blood Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.19 11:56:00 -
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Yes, everyone, lets just forget the history of the last few hundred years and form together to fight off what is at this point a drop in the ocean.
I just love all you little rats clammering together when the first sign of chaos appears in your dull existence.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.05.19 14:03:00 -
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Pathetic. You are all pathetic people. I wasn't asking you to not hate each other, I wasn't asking you not to continue to plot the destruction of each other, all I asked was that you stop fighting amongst yourselves until the crisis has been resolved.
What will it take for you to put aside your damn pride, a billion dead? Your home world burned to ash? Sansha isn't going to stop until we stop him, and we can't do it alone. If we don't start to work together, then WE WILL LOOSE, its plain and simple.
Your ideologies, your philosophies, and your pride, they won't matter when your a true slave, and that's how your going to end up if you keep up this mindless petty violence for the sake of personal ideals.
I am ashamed of all of you. You are worse even then the Collaborators. You are worse then Sansha. All of you.
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Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2010.05.19 14:23:00 -
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Nikita Alterana, though your passion is commendable, your analysis of our conflicts is naive.
Temporary ceasefires already occur when a Nation incursion is reported. You ask for a more permanent ceasefire. I ask you why? It's not like capsuleer forces can do anything but react to the Nation's attacks.
Due to DED restrictions it is impossible for capsuleers to do lasting damage to the Nation's assets in Stain. It's like "bailing out the basement whilst there's hole in the roof".
Should the CONCORD signatories mobilise to annihilate the Nation in Stain, this time finishing the job, or allow capsuleer Alliances to take sovreignity there, then your suggestion might have more base to start from. Until then, No, I will not lay down my arms and refrain from liberating enslaved Minmatar from the Amarr. I will however, work with all to ensure no further people are taken by the Nation either.
Quote: Kinda'Shujaa - the Ushra'Khan Faction Warfare Detachment
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Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.05.19 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust No.
for once i have to agree with the chump of choonka.
No.
now go away. ---- The Sneakiest Noob in all of EVE |
Veebora
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.19 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nikita Alterana Pathetic. You are all pathetic people. I wasn't asking you to not hate each other, I wasn't asking you not to continue to plot the destruction of each other, all I asked was that you stop fighting amongst yourselves until the crisis has been resolved.
What will it take for you to put aside your damn pride, a billion dead? Your home world burned to ash? Sansha isn't going to stop until we stop him, and we can't do it alone. If we don't start to work together, then WE WILL LOOSE, its plain and simple.
Your ideologies, your philosophies, and your pride, they won't matter when your a true slave, and that's how your going to end up if you keep up this mindless petty violence for the sake of personal ideals.
I am ashamed of all of you. You are worse even then the Collaborators. You are worse then Sansha. All of you.
I think someone here takes the RPG side of the game too hard and things too personal
But NO, go away!!!!
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.19 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/05/2010 17:07:19
Originally by: Nikita Alterana This is a call for a temporary Cease Fire between any and all conflicting parties during the defense of Civilians from the Sansha Menance. This includes lowsec activity and a temporary end of wardecs. I would like to specifically invite CVA, Ushra-Khan, Star Fraction, Militia forces and the subsidiary, and aligned elements of these forces to this table.
Regretably this is quite unlikely. I will table this for discussion at the next formal meeting of free captains however. But the Star Fraction's current position on the issue is that the Sansha Incursion has not eclipsed the clear and present danger to sovereign individuality presented by the continuing existence of the Amarrian Empire and Nationalist-alligned Amarrian and Caldari Capsuleers doing imperialist bidding. Thus far billions of slaves have been liberated from Amarrian Imperialist control in the former CVA-held region of Providence and the war continues. That said, the Star Fraction is continuing to aid anti Sansha actions and defenses in core empire and lowsec space and will do our best to respond appropriately to incursions as and when they happen.
We just happen to believe that Amarrian nationalists are not appropriate allies in this conflict. We do not trust their motives or actions, and has been shown by the recent abuse of community resource by the self-appointed leader of the Amarrian Nationalist group - Ashar Kor Azor, its entirely possible that many of the Amarrian nationalist individuals are motivated by concerns for Amarrian dominance and strategic interest over genuinely collaborative response to the threat.
Quote: I understand you all have your reasons for fighting, but are any of them worth the lives of the civilians that will be lost if we don't work together? What justification could you possibly use to warrent the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents for the sake of ideological, philisophical, and territorial arguements?
I have to remind you that while the Sansha incursion continues every hour of every day in New Eden slaves are taken by Amarrian raiders away from their worlds and homes and birthright and subjected to torture, chemical bondage, mind-control and brutality. This should not ever be forgotten, not even for a moment.
Quote: I'm asking everyone to put their pride aside for the sake of the greater good. 100 years ago, the empires stood united against Sansha's Nation, now, we must do the same.
100 years ago this situation was created by the Amarrian Empire when it sold Matari slaves directly to Sansha Kuvakei in the hope it would benefit from experiments in mind-control and slave management. The Nation was destroyed by a Gallente-led coalition that ultimately guilted the Amarrian forces into participating on the strong understanding that if they didn't take part they could be "next."
Quote: Holders, freedom fighters, freecaptains, tradesmen, Industrialists, warriors, Pod pilots everywhere, It is time to Stand United. It is time to rise above our differences, above our struggles. For if we do not, we will suffer in the end, the same fate that befell the millions already taken by Sansha. One way or another, we will end up united. It is up to use whether it is as free peoples, or as Slaves of Sansha Kuveki.
I will echo Pilot Pol Macsliebh's words:
Quote: "... one thing ..... Sarum renounces Slavery and the Amarr empire begins the release of "all" Slaves. Once that's done I'm sure can work together to fight of the Sansha. Until maybe the Amarr should reflect on the terror of being removed from ones home and family for a life of servitude and pain or maybe the Amarr and Sansha serve the same "god"
Let this be the condition for ceasefire.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.05.19 17:11:00 -
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No cease fire.
As the apocrypha beautifully teaches us:
Peace implies war. Power implies war. Harmony implies war. Victory implies war. Glory implies war. Foundation implies war. Alas! for the Kingdom wherein all these are at war.
And so it shall be till the end of times.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum |
Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.19 17:21:00 -
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I like your optimism, Nikita, I really do. I'm an idealist myself: I've dedicated my life to violence in the hope of a future peace. I don't know that I could even function in the society I fight to create.
Certainly a peace between ideological enemies to fight a greater enemy would make sense.
That said,
Originally by: Nikita Alterana If we don't start to work together, then WE WILL LOSE, its plain and simple.
I strongly disagree. I've spent years combatting Sanshas in their home regions. Their technology cannot compete with Egger tech. Plain and simple. There will be war and conflict, there will be lives lost and lives stolen, and in the end the Nation will realize they cannot compete with even one pod-pilot alliance of reasonable capability.
If the Fractionites are right about one thing...they're absolutely correct when they point out that the power and capacity of a pod-pilot is rivalled only by the Almighty. We are ultimate weapons...we are God's avenging angels.
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Rogue Steel
Order of the Chaotic Sewn Together Wrong
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Posted - 2010.05.19 17:22:00 -
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This is why Sansha's Nation will rise again. You are on the defensive. The Nation's home systems are perfectly safe from you because you are too busy squabbling amongst yourselves to fight an offensive campaign. Every day the Nation grows stronger while you are barely able to scramble your meager defenses as you fight amongst each other. The blood of the innocent is on your hands.
Seems The Nation picked a great time to begin this campaign. I hope it doesn't end any time soon.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.19 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rogue Steel The Nation's home systems are perfectly safe from you because you are too busy squabbling amongst yourselves to fight an offensive campaign.
Is that how it works?
'Cause I'm pretty sure there are entire communities of pod-pilots who make a living slaughtering Sanshas in their own back yard.
There is no cease-fire between pod-pilot organizations because there is no reason to believe the Nation poses any real threat to pod-pilots. And really, they don't pose a huge threat to the empires either. Their raids area bit of a bad joke in the grand scheme.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.05.19 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck Their raids area bit of a bad joke in the grand scheme.
Whats a billion lives, here, another billion lives there so, on any ways hum?
You're such a Sani Sabik Garreck, you just don't know still.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum |
Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.19 17:42:00 -
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The actual number of abductees shouldn't be the cause of concern if you ask me, only the intention and potiential of the Sansha Nation.
How many have been kidnapped? 4 million? 6 million? I'm not sure but as far as I've understood, the number should be around those.
That is, frankly, not that many. However, in the Nation can do it now, they can certainly do it again, not to mention with higher and higher frequency.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.05.19 17:53:00 -
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Just as a note, pilots, while Ms. Alterana's call for a cease-fire might look unrealistic, it's not as though it hasn't happened before.
There was exactly one time the empires ever truly dropped their differences and worked together. Exactly one.
It was the last time they faced Sansha Kuvakei.
Of course, there was no limited war taking place, then. So, maybe calling for you idiots to stop reducing our total resources by blowing each other up is too much to ask.
Our uncontrolled nature, the chaos of our existence, is a weakness in the face of Sansha's forces. I keep hoping it'll turn out to be some sort of strength; that would be nicely symmetrical, after all. Perhaps it still will.
But so far? I'm still waiting.
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Mila Gord
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Posted - 2010.05.19 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Veebora
I think someone here takes the RPG side of the game too hard and things too personal
But NO, go away!!!!
((Take a look at what forum you're in, and it's purpose. This IS the RP part of the forum.)) |
Arimeth
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.19 19:05:00 -
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No!
This is not a time for true subjects of the Empress to abandon their dignity and pride by allying with anarchists and those she is meant to rule. Enough has been lost already.
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Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.19 19:18:00 -
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The issue with that mentality is that it's quite limited.
Why do you see this as a time where we, the Amarr, are demeaning ourselves by working with the others?
How come this isn't seen as another kind of Reclamation? One not of military conquest but that of our kindness.
In my opinion, whenever such attack happens Amarr pilots should be the the ones being hit by the first volley. Amarrian pilots should be the ones first at the battle and those that retreat as the last.
In a situation where an Amarrian or someone else will die, the Amarrian should be the one dying. During the battle against the Jovians, few if any Imperial Navy ships retreated, they believed in the strength of God and so should we.
God chose us as his champions, God is on our side. This is an opportunity of glory.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.19 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis You're such a Sani Sabik Garreck, you just don't know it yet.
You are the very embodiment of temptation, Thrice-Illustrious.
My betters have taught me to fight temptation.
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Arimeth
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.19 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rolare Why do you see this as a time where we, the Amarr, are demeaning ourselves by working with the others?
There is never a time for us to forget who we are, not now, not ever. Others is a broad term, the Empire does work with say Khanid Kingdom and Caldari State.
Originally by: Rolare How come this isn't seen as another kind of Reclamation? One not of military conquest but that of our kindness.
Kindness? What has kindness given the Amarr this far? Kindness builds little, strength, belief, purity and duty to the Empress and those before us builds more.
Originally by: Rolare a situation where an Amarrian or someone else will die, the Amarrian should be the one dying. During the battle against the Jovians, few if any Imperial Navy ships retreated, they believed in the strength of God and so should we.
If you feel like sacrificing yourself for a life of some minmatar primitives or misguided rebels, I wont try to stop you. There should be no retreat in protecting the Empire and it's citizens against abominations like Sansha however, no doubt.
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Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.19 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Arimeth
There is never a time for us to forget who we are, not now, not ever. Others is a broad term, the Empire does work with say Khanid Kingdom and Caldari State.
None of the things I said call for a purge of our identity or past. It is because of our position and Faith that we should cooperate will the other three Empires.
Originally by: Arimeth
Kindness? What has kindness given the Amarr this far? Kindness builds little, strength, belief, purity and duty to the Empress and those before us builds more.
We have a duty towards the Empire, the Empress and our Faith. By far the most important of those is our Faith and religion, it is because of those we are who we are.
Our Faith has put us in place of duty, our duty is to educate and enlighten the rest of New Eden about God, if this makes them see us in a new light then it's worth it.
The Gallente view us as extremist zealouts, the Minmatar see us as slavers hiding behind a shiield of religion. We can change those views by acting sensibly in this crisis.
Originally by: Arimeth If you feel like sacrificing yourself for a life of some minmatar primitives or misguided rebels, I wont try to stop you. There should be no retreat in protecting the Empire and it's citizens against abominations like Sansha however, no doubt.
You call them barbarians and misguided, isn't that the entire reason we take them to us? To elevate the Minmatar from their barbarism, to show them a better life?
The misguided rebel is, as you say, misguided. That's why this would be a greaet time to show them how misguided they are, that we're more than the monsters they percieve us to be.
The ultimate goal of Amarr is to spread our religion to the entirety of New Eden. This would soften up hostility against us.
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