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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:45:00 -
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Finally, after years of languishing as the worse of the plate line, Tech 2 armor plates will finally have a niche. They will sport a much larger buffer than Meta 4. The current changes are now on SiSi. Can we expect this change to be a harbinger of more change to come? Perhaps we can see other Tech 2 versions becoming more worthwhile such as ECM or Neuts?
Quote:100mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 263.0 => 300.0
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 4200.0 => 4800.0
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 528.0 => 600.0
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 1053.0 => 1200.0
50mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 131.0 => 150.0
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 2103.0 => 2400.0 |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
779
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:47:00 -
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Hey, i forgot to complain about this ...
Is it too late? The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Vellen Thoss
The Scope Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:49:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Finally, after years of languishing as the worse of the plate line, Tech 2 armor plates will finally have a niche. They will sport a much larger buffer than Meta 4. The current changes are now on SiSi. Can we expect this change to be a harbinger of more change to come? Perhaps we can see other Tech 2 versions becoming more worthwhile such as ECM or Neuts? Quote:100mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 263.0 => 300.0
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 4200.0 => 4800.0
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 528.0 => 600.0
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 1053.0 => 1200.0
50mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 131.0 => 150.0
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 2103.0 => 2400.0
For me the difference in armor points wasnt the reason for fitting RTT. It was the PG. |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
779
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:58:00 -
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Vellen Thoss wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:Finally, after years of languishing as the worse of the plate line, Tech 2 armor plates will finally have a niche. They will sport a much larger buffer than Meta 4. The current changes are now on SiSi. Can we expect this change to be a harbinger of more change to come? Perhaps we can see other Tech 2 versions becoming more worthwhile such as ECM or Neuts? Quote:100mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 263.0 => 300.0
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 4200.0 => 4800.0
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 528.0 => 600.0
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 1053.0 => 1200.0
50mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 131.0 => 150.0
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 2103.0 => 2400.0 For me the difference in armor points wasnt the reason for fitting RTT. It was the PG.
That is one of the main reasons for fitting any meta 4 over T2. It's not exclusive for the RTT. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Cierejai
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:03:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Vellen Thoss wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:Finally, after years of languishing as the worse of the plate line, Tech 2 armor plates will finally have a niche. They will sport a much larger buffer than Meta 4. The current changes are now on SiSi. Can we expect this change to be a harbinger of more change to come? Perhaps we can see other Tech 2 versions becoming more worthwhile such as ECM or Neuts? Quote:100mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 263.0 => 300.0
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 4200.0 => 4800.0
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 528.0 => 600.0
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 1053.0 => 1200.0
50mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 131.0 => 150.0
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 2103.0 => 2400.0 For me the difference in armor points wasnt the reason for fitting RTT. It was the PG. That is one of the main reasons for fitting any meta 4 over T2. It's not exclusive for the RTT.
I'm not a space expert but currently the armor bonus is the same on the meta 4 and T2, so there is no reason to use the T2.
Ever.
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tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
57
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:19:00 -
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Cierejai wrote: I'm not a space expert but currently the armor bonus is the same on the meta 4 and T2, so there is no reason to use the T2.
Ever.
Correct, this is the current issue. Glad to see this change!
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
234
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:28:00 -
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tgl3 wrote:Cierejai wrote: I'm not a space expert but currently the armor bonus is the same on the meta 4 and T2, so there is no reason to use the T2.
Ever.
Correct, this is the current issue. Glad to see this change!
And that crashing sound is that of Rolled Tungsten plate prices. |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
779
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:32:00 -
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Cierejai wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Vellen Thoss wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:Finally, after years of languishing as the worse of the plate line, Tech 2 armor plates will finally have a niche. They will sport a much larger buffer than Meta 4. The current changes are now on SiSi. Can we expect this change to be a harbinger of more change to come? Perhaps we can see other Tech 2 versions becoming more worthwhile such as ECM or Neuts? Quote:100mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 263.0 => 300.0
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 4200.0 => 4800.0
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 528.0 => 600.0
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 1053.0 => 1200.0
50mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 131.0 => 150.0
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II armorHPBonusAdd: 2103.0 => 2400.0 For me the difference in armor points wasnt the reason for fitting RTT. It was the PG. That is one of the main reasons for fitting any meta 4 over T2. It's not exclusive for the RTT. I'm not a space expert but currently the armor bonus is the same on the meta 4 and T2, so there is no reason to use the T2. Ever.
I said "one of the" and not "the only". The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2183
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:33:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:tgl3 wrote:Cierejai wrote: I'm not a space expert but currently the armor bonus is the same on the meta 4 and T2, so there is no reason to use the T2.
Ever.
Correct, this is the current issue. Glad to see this change! And that crashing sound is that of Rolled Tungsten plate prices.
I believe Rolled Tungsten would still have an advantage in weight.
Still, it's a change long overdue.
I'd also like to see the other types of armor plate actually have some properly scaled advantages/disadvantages so that they got used instead of reprocessed. Perhaps a tiny bit of inherent resistance to one type of damage or the other, depending on the material the plate was constructed from. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8528
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:33:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And that crashing sound is that of Rolled Tungsten plate prices. Nah.
Ok, it'll crash some (but it has already done so anyway), but fitting space and less mass penalty will still be valuable. Look at meta-4 shield expanders GÇö they sell like crazy even though T2 expanders provide better protection.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Rashmika Clavain
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
13
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:49:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:tgl3 wrote:Cierejai wrote: I'm not a space expert but currently the armor bonus is the same on the meta 4 and T2, so there is no reason to use the T2.
Ever.
Correct, this is the current issue. Glad to see this change! And that crashing sound is that of Rolled Tungsten plate prices.
Ahaha at least the meta 4 may have a function when inventing the T2 modules. I love this change :0) For me, Meta 4 should be easier to fit but not surpass T2 strengths ue to the lack of training required for meta 4.
I always thought the RT plates were a little out of sync. |
Pink Marshmellow
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
38
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:38:00 -
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They'll need to change faction plates.
Other than the federation navy 1600mm which has the lowest mass(lower pg requirements would be good for this), the other
have no advantages over normal plates. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4150
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:51:00 -
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Bulkheads need buff too
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Hoshi
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
20
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:58:00 -
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Pink Marshmellow wrote:They'll need to change faction plates.
Other than the federation navy 1600mm which has the lowest mass(lower pg requirements would be good for this), the other
have no advantages over normal plates. It's because they fixed the problem the wrong way. The problem was not that T2 was not good enough but that RT was too good. "Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason." |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
250
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:00:00 -
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Cierejai wrote: I'm not a space expert but currently the armor bonus is the same on the meta 4 and T2, so there is no reason to use the T2.
Ever.
Actually there is 1 reason to fit the T2 Fed Navy plates: they are the lightest
An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:18:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Hey, i forgot to complain about this ...
Is it too late?
It's never too late to complain and get laughed at. |
Korsiri
Mousetrap Building Inc.
52
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:27:00 -
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Interesting! |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
69
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:47:00 -
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I am 100% against this change (and said so in the original thread). The last thing we need is larger buffers. |
Luis Graca
131
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Posted - 2012.07.14 01:22:00 -
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congratulation for finding that you want some cookies now for that achievement? |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
633
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Posted - 2012.07.14 01:44:00 -
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My only beef is, why advanced steel? I want advanced Rolled Tungsten. |
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
719
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Posted - 2012.07.14 02:14:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:My only beef is, why advanced steel? I want advanced Rolled Tungsten.
Maybe morphite doesn't bond with tungsten? |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
100
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Posted - 2012.07.14 21:57:00 -
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Another win for a T2 BPO owner and major losses for the noobs with roll Tungsten about to crash.
CCP remove T2BPO and make EVE real. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
Rashmika Clavain
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
15
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Posted - 2012.07.17 11:38:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Another win for a T2 BPO owner and major losses for the noobs with roll Tungsten about to crash.
CCP remove T2BPO and make EVE real.
Wut? You mean a win for Inventors who can out produce the T2 BPO holder, specially on modules? |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
296
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:34:00 -
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Woah, nice.
After this I might actually bothering fitting T2 plates over Meta 4 like, you know, ever. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Effect One
Selective Hearing Nearly Feared
32
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:39:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Another win for a T2 BPO owner and major losses for the noobs with roll Tungsten about to crash.
CCP remove T2BPO and make EVE real.
This indicates nothing except that you know very little about the true capabilities of T2 BPOs. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1156
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:51:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Bulkheads need buff too
And hull repairers My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1156
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:52:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Another win for a T2 BPO owner and major losses for the noobs with roll Tungsten about to crash.
CCP remove T2BPO and make EVE real.
How does it feel to be perpetually clueless? My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
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