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Entrepaz
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Posted - 2010.05.22 15:45:00 -
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[Hawk, Anti-Dramiel] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Co-Processor I
Medium Shield Booster II 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket Small Nosferatu II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defence Field Extender I
It's just an idea. Dramiel is king, but it really counts on transveral, which hopefully rockets would make pointless. I thought about a dual web fit, but with no propulsion mod I'm afraid I would lose tackle. Mostprobably I'll lose tackle anyways.
The other thing I thought about was using an AB. Because I wouldn't be able to keep ahold of a dramiel anyways. could lose power mod, and get some dps or capacitor.
But are rockets the answer? And if rockets are the answer, isn't this the ship? Fits, comments,lolz, and hate welcome.
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Octopusssy
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Posted - 2010.05.22 16:05:00 -
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Rockets? rly?
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.05.22 16:16:00 -
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With just a single web, you'll only just be able to break the Dramiel's MSE's passive recharge.
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Matsumoto Yoshizu
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.05.22 18:50:00 -
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Yeah bro, I think you're onto something. Suggest you move development onto the testing phase.
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uredo
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Posted - 2010.05.22 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: uredo on 22/05/2010 23:01:02 Rockets are fail.
Someone at CCP had their eyes closed when balancing them. They only do their full damage potential to stationary frigates.
Only a moronic Dramiel will be stationary.
People only fit rockets when there is no alternative.
Plus how long can you run that shield booster for? No time at all. Better to fit a medium extender, if it fits.
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Entrepaz
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Posted - 2010.05.23 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Entrepaz on 23/05/2010 02:46:53 Thx for feedback. Rokets have slow explosion velocity I take it?
It's just frustrating trying to catch dramiel transversal. So as equally as this ship would fail, I've had blarpy's fail just as hard. Dual web and scram is the only answer to this ship? That means only the minmittar AF's armor tanked can take it out. Maybe Gallente? Anyone have an idea what frigate stands a chance against the cookie cutter dual prop dramiel fit?
edit: grammar
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Xearal
Minmatar SOL Industries Kamikaze Project
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Posted - 2010.05.23 03:31:00 -
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Being a Dramiel Pilot, I feel like selling out a little here ;) Ohwell.. you can pay me for it later :p
Anyway.. the only way to beat a dramiel is to take away it's most powerfull ability, Speeed.
you're on the right track, but I think you should replace the rocket launchers for missile launchers, go for an armour tank, with a damage control and repper, and use 2 webs, a scram and an AB in your mid slots. For rigs, I'd go for Flare and Rigor Catalyst, to further offset a Dramiel's speed against your missiles.
---------------------------------------- I want hollowpoint ammunition for my projectile turrets!
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bluenzo
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Posted - 2010.05.23 05:23:00 -
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Rocket range sucks doesn't it?
Cerb ****s *any* frigate.
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Entrepaz
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Posted - 2010.05.23 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Xearal Being a Dramiel Pilot, I feel like selling out a little here ;) Ohwell.. you can pay me for it later :p
Anyway.. the only way to beat a dramiel is to take away it's most powerfull ability, Speeed.
you're on the right track, but I think you should replace the rocket launchers for missile launchers, go for an armour tank, with a damage control and repper, and use 2 webs, a scram and an AB in your mid slots. For rigs, I'd go for Flare and Rigor Catalyst, to further offset a Dramiel's speed against your missiles.
Hawk get's a bonus to shield boost. That's why medium shield booster would be such a beast, but only if I can keep my cap alive. Not enough slots. I will look into it and good flying! Will post fit based on your advice soon.
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Tub Chil
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Posted - 2010.05.23 09:23:00 -
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There is no way at all to fit this failboat properly (Hawk I mean) I tried many loadouts on sisi, it just does not work just stop trying ...
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.23 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tub Chil There is no way at all to fit this failboat properly (Hawk I mean) I tried many loadouts on sisi, it just does not work just stop trying ...
Pretty much what he said. Hawk sucks, big time. And this isn't even all due to missiles...
Want to kill a dramiel? Bring a caracal with assault (not heavy) missiles. Either he disengages or he dies in a big ball of fire to your 5 millions cruiser.
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Entrepaz
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Posted - 2010.05.23 15:54:00 -
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I totally agree it's fail. The DPS is just too meh. I can get the tank up to 19 seconds of completely tanking the dramiel with one gyro stab damage (all V's) but I wouldn't be able to hit for enough damage to kill in the 30 or so seconds I'll live =(.
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uredo
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Posted - 2010.05.23 17:06:00 -
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I am by no means an expert, but I think the best anti-Dramiel frigate is the Daredevil. Its 90% webs can at least slow it down. But it is expensive.
[Daredevil, Anti Dram] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II
Dark Blood Stasis Webifier True Sansha Warp Scrambler 1MN MicroWarpdrive II
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Ancillary Current Router I
The faction web and scram are just me pimping it for better range. Try to keep the dramiel at about 10km.
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.23 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Gecko O''Bac on 23/05/2010 22:10:27
Originally by: uredo I am by no means an expert, but I think the best anti-Dramiel frigate is the Daredevil. Its 90% webs can at least slow it down. But it is expensive.
[Daredevil, Anti Dram] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II
Dark Blood Stasis Webifier True Sansha Warp Scrambler 1MN MicroWarpdrive II
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Ancillary Current Router I
The faction web and scram are just me pimping it for better range. Try to keep the dramiel at about 10km.
Can you even get a normal ceptor with that fit? I haven't got eft with me but no nano, no OI... Seems to me you're going to be quite slow. You're probably better off trying to kill a dramiel with the caracal... At least they're more likely to aggress on you.
EDIT: also... Web range and railguns? Good luck with that mate.
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uredo
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Posted - 2010.05.23 22:43:00 -
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Well, like I said I'm no expert.
http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?p=1162286#1162286
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Backho
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Posted - 2010.05.23 22:55:00 -
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This is why if you want to pvp in an interceptor/frigate, you frigin use a dramiel, or you Dont use anything smaller then a dessie at all =/
Dramiel is simply overpowered for its base speed and theres nothing we can really do about it cept wait for T3 frigs ourselves.
if you have to pvp vs a dramiel, do yourself a favor and use cruisers/bc/BS class ships which can (mostly) immune themselves to dramiel
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Kirzath
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2010.05.24 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kirzath on 24/05/2010 03:39:32
Originally by: Backho This is why if you want to pvp in an interceptor/frigate, you frigin use a dramiel, or you Dont use anything smaller then a dessie at all =/
Protip, most Dramiel pilots are terrible.
While you won't be able to kill most properly fit Dramiels since they can happily disengage with their AB, I've successfully fended them off with my Taranis and Claw, and have claimed a few killmails with my Thrasher and Slicer.
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Ulwithy Arillious
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Posted - 2010.05.24 09:34:00 -
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Step 1: Bring a Rapier. Step 2: Kill the Dramiel.
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Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2010.05.24 11:43:00 -
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A well fitted Freki will properly f**k a dramiel over everytime... GL finding one and props to ya if you have the balls to fly it in combat
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2010.05.24 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Entrepaz rockets ... pointless.
QFT -- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2010.05.24 18:24:00 -
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Step 0: roll back 2008's web nerf
Originally by: Ulwithy Arillious Step 1: Bring a Rapier. Step 2: Kill the Dramiel.
-- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
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Princess Nexxala
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.24 20:34:00 -
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The daredevil is the ultimate dram killer
Faction web out to 18km @ 90% means the dram will ALWAYS be slower then you. Do the math...MWD or AB doesn't matter. Just AB/blaster fit the DD, web, approach, scram, and **** them with 300+ DPS.
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.24 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Nexxala The daredevil is the ultimate dram killer
Faction web out to 18km @ 90% means the dram will ALWAYS be slower then you. Do the math...MWD or AB doesn't matter. Just AB/blaster fit the DD, web, approach, scram, and **** them with 300+ DPS.
Eft warriored up this fit... Put a mwd because since you can't really dual prop a dramiel, ab only seems a waste on a frigate.
[Daredevil, Dramiel Killer?] Damage Control II Inertia Stabilizers II Overdrive Injector System II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
True Sansha Stasis Webifier True Sansha Warp Scrambler 1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Nosferatu II
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Ammo is only for example, though if you manage to grab onto something, you could probably even use null and still not have much problems with tracking. Rigs can be freely changed, it doesn't really change that much. Overheating here is essential since many ceptors can be faster than you without overheating. That's why the faction webbers... Dunno the price tag on them, probably less expensive versions are good as well. Nos up there can be helpful but mostly I put it because it fitted :P So it can be used as a heatsink or for keeping up the point if the target has a neut.
Didn't use nanofiber in the lows because this thing hull tanks (yeah, I know, but it works) quite well, nanofiber would kill much of its EHP. with just the DC as a form of tank, has about the same ehp (a little more) than a med shield extender dramiel.
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Archestratidas
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Posted - 2010.05.25 01:33:00 -
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Why is it not surprising that someone that says this
Originally by: Gecko O'Bac Eft warriored up this fit...
would come to this conclusion
Originally by: Gecko O'Bac ab only seems a waste on a frigate.
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.25 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Archestratidas Why is it not surprising that someone that says this
Originally by: Gecko O'Bac Eft warriored up this fit...
would come to this conclusion
Originally by: Gecko O'Bac ab only seems a waste on a frigate.
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While I did eft warrior the fit, I did not eft warrior my pvp experience. I stand by what I said: the only frigates I could see with only (and by only I mean not dual propped) AB, are assault frigates, and even then without the much talked about AB bonus they're still slow as hell.
A daredevil, which is a costly ship, without the mwd quite lacks the capability of GTFO, because even a T1 frigate with mwd can catch you. a T2 disruptor will be enough to keep you from warping and overheated it still outranges any webber you may bring.
I don't care about low sec pirating or faction warfare... In 0.0 you have to be very mobile even if you don't solo, because getting blobbed is easy as hell and afterall it's only a frigate, you don't need much to kill it. Sure scramble kills your mwd, but you don't have enough midslots on the daredevil to dual prop, and with the webber bonus you can manage to stay in web range but outside scramble range (if you use faction webbers which you may notice I did fit).
So, while trolling is easy, would you mind saying why an AB fit instead of a mwd one would be better?
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uwai223
Heroes. Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.25 11:49:00 -
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Quote: So, while trolling is easy, would you mind saying why an AB fit instead of a mwd one would be better?
Well, while an mwd makes you insanely fast on a dramiel, an ab STILL gives you pretty good speed, you are pretty much immune to scrams, you don't get the bloated signature radius (which kinda compensates for the reduced m/s) and it's way easier on your cap and the fitting.
Also if you accuse someone of trolling don't do it in your whiny ***** voice. htfu |
Florio
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.05.25 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Florio on 25/05/2010 16:28:50 I killed an expert Dram pilot in a 4-web autocannon ferox. Heh.
That hawk would fail against most dram pilots, one web is simply not enough. You need at least one scram and 3 webs split between the ships of you and your mates when you're up against a dram pilot with pirate speed implants.
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.25 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: uwai223
Quote: So, while trolling is easy, would you mind saying why an AB fit instead of a mwd one would be better?
Well, while an mwd makes you insanely fast on a dramiel, an ab STILL gives you pretty good speed, you are pretty much immune to scrams, you don't get the bloated signature radius (which kinda compensates for the reduced m/s) and it's way easier on your cap and the fitting.
Also if you accuse someone of trolling don't do it in your whiny ***** voice.
It doesn't seem to me I was talking to you, so I don't know why all the hate. Plus, I was talking about the daredevil, not the dramiel, which is almost unanimously dual propped (and like I said dual propping DOES make sense). Daredevil though lacks the fourth mid slot needed to dual prop it since if you're not putting a webber on a daredevil you're failing at fit. Also with the above fit (which by no means is the best out there, I just spent a whole 5 minutes on eft), you could keep everything online with mwd as well for about 6 minutes. If you aren't done by then, you're dead anyway.
Railguns might work on the daredevil due to the webber and the ability to keep better range, but in that case faction webber are mandatory, since you can't keep overheating the webber for all the fight. It also needs slightly more piloting skills than just barreling into blaster range. Also, againt a dramiel you're going to have to push it very much with range since with barrage you get about 14 kms falloff, which means that at around the top range for faction webber, the dramiel still hits for about half of its dps and tracks better than you.
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PosterBoyOfNothingMuch
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Posted - 2010.05.25 17:00:00 -
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Hey now. I like my Rocket-Hawk. It's fun.
In L2 missions.
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omgomgogomgomgoaoa
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Posted - 2010.05.25 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Florio Edited by: Florio on 25/05/2010 16:28:50 I killed an expert Dram pilot in a 4-web autocannon ferox. Heh.
That hawk would fail against most dram pilots, one web is simply not enough. You need at least one scram and 3 webs split between the ships of you and your mates when you're up against a dram pilot with pirate speed implants.
LOL and dont forget the gang boosting alt =)
and also dont forget the railgun!
(its ziven)
=)
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