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Serena Silvermoon
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Posted - 2010.06.07 07:33:00 -
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When can we expect to see payout structures for bets on round 1?
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.06.07 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 07/06/2010 14:29:21
Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Cearain Yes I agree with your stance- just ride it out and see how it falls out. But basically I think that after this match betting on eve tournaments is as dead as the bounty system in eve.
I don't blame hydra at all. They just demonstrated what should have been obvious. Indeed I think its a good thing. Otherwise thick skulled folk like myself never would have gotten it. Morevover the future tournaments should indeed only be for what ccp offers. Because anyone who bets on the future matches - unless they have inside information that they know is accurate - is a fool.
Beside all this, we saw an awesome air show from hydra. I was trying to think what I would do if I was agony and its really hard to say. All those frig sized ships moving around at range. I cant fault agony. Nice job hydra.
You seem to think this is the first time someone has thrown a match while betting on the other team. Tyrrax's antics didn't kill tournament betting, Gobbins' antics won't kill it, and both of them make eve a more enjoyable virtual world to play in imo.
I have no reason to think this was the first time someone threw a match. And I didnÆt say betting would die. People will still bet just like people still use eveÆs bounty system. Will people continue to bet as often even though itÆs very obvious the betting system can be openly rigged? Lets think about it.
Would betting on basketball take a hit if a team took the court and scored baskets against itself because they had all bet against themselves? Assume further that all relevant organizations acknowledged this conduct was fine. (and really IÆm not saying itÆs not fine ûfor eve- IÆm just stating some implications that I think will follow)
There would still be people betting of course 1) those who thought they had the inside scoop on how a game was rigged. And then there are 2) those who simply like to gamble û for gambling sake. (but then why give 10% juice? Play craps and get better odds) But the group who liked to gamble on basketball because they followed the sport and thought they could predict which team will do better based on what they learned (thus overcome the 10%).... Well I think that group is going to be less likely to bet. Would you not agree?
Betting on this tournament is sort of like betting on pro wrestling. You can go ahead and bet but donÆt do it because you think one is really better at wrestling.
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.07 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Serena Silvermoon When can we expect to see payout structures for bets on round 1?
After the last fight.
As I do it all in one fell swoop.
But you can do the math yourself if you wan't - all the numbers are there
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.06.07 19:18:00 -
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Friendly bump, this is about to fall off the front page. Need more people betting so that I can win some of your monies.
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Hustomte
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Posted - 2010.06.07 21:23:00 -
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I noticed R.A.G.E. is not listed? I hope they don't upset the entire betting scheme!
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Kilrath Uskarl
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.08 02:16:00 -
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I made my bets and everything worked fine. Took about 1 hour for them to show up. Looking forward to winning money!
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.08 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hustomte I noticed R.A.G.E. is not listed? I hope they don't upset the entire betting scheme!
Oh lovely...
Took me a bit to figure out you are indeed correct.
I've been using this : http://www.eveonline.com/events/alliances/tournament/t8/schedule1.asp
As that seemed as the most official listing around. As of this writing it still lists GoonSwarm (vs Eve Engineering)
However over here : http://at.eve-ic.net/8/index.php?view=matches GoonSwarm has been replaced with R.A.G.E.
Anyone know when this switch occurred? (Not that it matters much - I'm just curious)
I'll now have to contact everyone who bet on GoonSwarm... Lovely...
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Serena Silvermoon
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Posted - 2010.06.08 07:09:00 -
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Ok - I'll try to do the math according to what I understand from the betting rules:
Total sum of bets in round 1: 2.197.000.000,00 ISK Subtracting 10% BIG handling fee => 1.977.300.000,00 ISK to be payed out Winning bets, that is bets on teams that won the first round and thus form the leading 32 teams, amount to: 1.374.000.000,00 ISK => payout factor will be 1.977.300.000,00 ISK / 1.374.000.000,00 ISK = 1,439 => for each 1 ISK bet on the winning teams, we will thus receive 1,439 ISK payout.
Does that sound correct?
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InnerDrive
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.08 07:30:00 -
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\o/ BIG betting again
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.08 07:30:00 -
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The following have been sent to everyone who have made a bet on GoonSwarm
Quote:
Hi
You have made one or more bets on GoonSwarm.
I have just been made aware that this team has been substituted by another team - R.A.G.E
I'm obliged to write to you to ask if you wan't to keep your bet, but have it count for R.A.G.E instead. FYI R.A.G.E has won it's first match.
If you do not, I will return to you your bet amount.
If however I do not hear back from you before the start of round 2 (next weekend) I will assume you'll just wan't to keep your bet, but it being on R.A.G.E instead.
Regards BIG Games
That seems like the best way to deal with it.
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.08 07:35:00 -
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@Serena Silvermoon
It's close.
I do however only subtract the 10% admin fee from the (pool of) loosing bets.
Else a winning bet (say everyone bet on the same team and it won) could risk getting back less than they bet - even if they won.
I don't like that
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Serena Silvermoon
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Posted - 2010.06.08 07:48:00 -
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Ok - so 10% admin fee of the loosing 823.000.000 ISK accounts for 82.300.000 ISK Remaining sum of bets is then 2.114.700.000 ISK Payout factor will then be 2.114.700.000 ISK / 1.374.000.000 ISK = 1,539
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Killer Gandry
Caldari TerraNovae
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Posted - 2010.06.09 11:27:00 -
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I would like to bet on one Alliance as in being the eventual winner of the AT8
Is that possible?
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.10 11:53:00 -
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Yes - That would be a type 6 bet (or type 5, but betting is closed for early betting now)
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MasterOB1
Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.10 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Anyone know when this switch occurred? (Not that it matters much - I'm just curious)
It happened roughly 10 minutes before the match was scheduled to start, because Goonswarm didn't show up
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.14 08:09:00 -
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Thanks for the info.
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Remember that betting is still open (Bet types 4 and 6)
And now that the qualifiers are over, and only 32 teams are left, it should be even easier to get in with a correct bet.
Predicting who will reach the semi's (Bet type 4) - is a 1 to 8 guess now (4 out of 32)
And if you limit that to just those that won both of their qualifier games it's an amazing 4 in 14, which is almost 1 in 4.
It's almost criminal not putting down a million or two on each of those 14 teams imo.
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Kenny Dalglish
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Posted - 2010.06.14 11:17:00 -
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.06.14 20:43:00 -
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Actually after thinking about the types of bets that are made and the amounts in question I don't think its likely that anyone would throw a match just for the bets. There are not bets for individual matches other than the finals. And by that time the winnings from the actual tournament will likely outweigh the amount you would get from betting against yourself. -Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Nerogk Shorn
Caldari Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.06.14 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Nerogk Shorn on 14/06/2010 23:16:14
Originally by: TornSoul
Hi
You have made one or more bets on GoonSwarm.
I have just been made aware that this team has been substituted by another team - R.A.G.E
I'm obliged to write to you to ask if you wan't to keep your bet, but have it count for R.A.G.E instead. FYI R.A.G.E has won it's first match.
If you do not, I will return to you your bet amount.
If however I do not hear back from you before the start of round 2 (next weekend) I will assume you'll just wan't to keep your bet, but it being on R.A.G.E instead.
Regards BIG Games
At first I just thought it was a typo, but the second one...
The Bulbasaur Wizard D-F-A-A-B-A-A-S
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Radioactive Bear
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Posted - 2010.06.15 10:53:00 -
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hy. i've got a problem with my bettings. before the at8 begun, i placed 3 bets: 20 mil on Legiunea Romana to be on the first 32 after round one, 10 mil on Legiunea Romana to be on the first 32 after round 2, and 2 mil on Noir to be on the first 32 after round one. as far as today i can't see my bets, but i did see the total amount of isk bet on those teams go up in a very short time after my bets. now i've got two questions: are my bets valid? and if they are (i belive that i have won at least one bet) how/when can i get my prize? or i'm just missing something and i didn't win anything after all?
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.15 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Radioactive Bear as far as today i can't see my bets
Have you checked http://at8.big-eve.com/mybets.aspx (the page can only work *ingame*)
Originally by: Radioactive Bear
now i've got two questions: are my bets valid? and if they are (i belive that i have won at least one bet) how/when can i get my prize? or i'm just missing something and i didn't win anything after all?
I checked - I have 3 bets from you. AT8-146/AT8-246/AT8-144. Those are valid. Payouts are after all matches are done. As I do all the math in one go.
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Radioactive Bear
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Posted - 2010.06.15 21:47:00 -
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all right then. honestlly i didn't check ingame so it seems that was my problem, and i don't really care so much about that isk so no stress there either, i was just curious why i had that problem. it will be nice to win though, everybody likes to win .
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:51:00 -
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Bump! I want moar moniez, I need more people placing bets that will lose! : >
Go go go, betting is still open for semi-finals and winners!
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:08:00 -
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Ok I may have missed it but I assume the following rules apply for late and early bets:
1)no more early bets can be made.
2) Late bets for who will make it to the semi-finals can be made up until the first quarter final round starts.
3) Late bets for who will win the tournament can be made right up to the time the final round starts.
4) All the money for late bets is pooled together. So if you accurately make a late bet for a team to win the finals today it won't get you any different amount of winnings than if you make that bet right before the final round starts.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
steave435
Caldari Final Agony B A N E
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Posted - 2010.06.17 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain Ok I may have missed it but I assume the following rules apply for late and early bets:
1)no more early bets can be made.
2) Late bets for who will make it to the semi-finals can be made up until the first quarter final round starts.
3) Late bets for who will win the tournament can be made right up to the time the final round starts.
4) All the money for late bets is pooled together. So if you accurately make a late bet for a team to win the finals today it won't get you any different amount of winnings than if you make that bet right before the final round starts.
Quote: Bets have to be made before round 1 starts (2010.06.05 15:00) Bets have to be made before the finals round (brackets) starts (2010.06.19 15:00)
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 17/06/2010 10:53:36
1) Correct
2) No
3) No
4) Too many wrong things (see 2&3) in that question as to make sense.
Late betting:
Bets have to be made before the finals round (brackets) starts (2010.06.19 15:00)
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.06.17 14:06:00 -
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It only costs 1 million isk to place a bet; that's pocket change for most people. Go have some fun! Place some bets!
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.06.17 14:40:00 -
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Ok thanks for the help. I think it's because you refer to all of the elimination rounds as a "finals round" that threw me. Maybe ccp does that too I don't know.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2010.06.19 08:48:00 -
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*Bumpy for last minute bets*
I'd also like to thank BIG for putting this together, great service and makes the tourney even more enjoyable!
Needs more love from CCP too -----------------
My EvE Comic
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.19 15:06:00 -
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Betting is closed!!!
Originally by: Saint Lazarus *Bumpy for last minute bets* I'd also like to thank BIG for putting this together, great service and makes the tourney even more enjoyable!
Thank you!
Originally by: Saint Lazarus
Needs more love from CCP too
Yes! BIG Lottery |
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