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LadyWhale
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Posted - 2010.05.27 18:56:00 -
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Not bad. Imposes a slight cost to AFK-cloaking.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.05.27 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: LadyWhale Not bad. Imposes a slight cost to AFK-cloaking.
And gimps the cargo bays of legitimate users. Because any amount useful enough to stop afk cloaking, by necessity, will take up a large amount of space, other wise it wouldn't have an affect on an AFK cloaker. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Gicer
New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Gicer on 28/05/2010 08:39:49 ========================================== Pi***d off at Namof Zomgbag
Then do the post some justice
http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1324139 ========================================== IT killing your ratters in their Nightmares while NC fights a war?
Calling for a cloak nerf because your stupid and die isnt the best reason.
U maaaaaad bro.
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Rahnim
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Posted - 2010.06.04 02:05:00 -
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Yes, I wouldnt mind it being able to cloak for like 24 hours (worth of fuel) it could run 1 round of fuel per hour, and be able to fit 24 of these "fuel units" inside the cloak itself. but only covert cloak would need it :) (like a cap booster)
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.04 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: Zill on 04/06/2010 02:34:02 Is anyone els missing the irony here, of the 0.0 carebears (ratters)demanding 0.0 be "safe" ? SB's are the weakest ship in eve an you feel threatened because a bomber sits cloaked in system ? LOLOL
To be honest, all jokes aside, you choose to go to 0.0 an you choose to rat/mine/roam, take responsibility for yourself an stop asking CCP to hold your hand.If you want to rat in peace, then bring friends :)
Even if it's a recon sitting in system, a single "rapier" is no threat to you, unless he lites off, an then a cloak is gonna be least of your problems. All I am saying is, defend yourself, an don't ask CCP to do it for you :D
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Jane Jacobs
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Posted - 2010.06.04 03:57:00 -
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Well here is a thought...cloaks can be bumped right? Why dont you populate the space around all the celestial bodies in your system with secure cans. There will only be some safe spots available in between the celestials, but you have decreased the number of hiding spots. Or if you have an area of ops like a spawn site or belt, make a safety net of cans around ya.
Otherwise, I would suggest a new kind of probe. Perhaps something that is launched from a POS and operated in the same way as regular combat probes. However, these probes (which are only usable from POS) can detect cloaked ships. It gives you a method to hunt them, with out gimping cloaking.
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Tyrael Primus
Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.04 04:42:00 -
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I like the reduced capacitor idea. Doesn't gimp stealth bombers much but does gives some incentive to the cloaker to get something done before the penalty increases too much. Recons will have a tougher time if the cap penalty is harsh enough, like a permanent reduction until you dock or are decloaked for a certain period. The permanent cap penalty an MWD gives you would be similar.
Any probes that detect cloakers would have to work really slowly so that a safespot is still viable for some time with cloak. However really AFKing would be tougher.
Cloaking really adds a lot to solo-ish play in Eve so any penalty should not negate cloaking. The real answer is for some real expansion in the combat area of Eve, like subsystems targeting, tactical area effect weapons, vulnerable system scanning centers, etc. A soft cap penalty would be fine for now.
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:08:00 -
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Edited by: Zill on 04/06/2010 05:08:34 I think pvpers need a bigger penalty to their operations while we are at it. Bring in a higher sec hit for any pvp action in highsec. tone down battleship dps an make it far more expensive to use fuel based ships :D
See what I am getting at ?
You guys want cov ops "punished" because it can do one thing you cant do" (in reality you can too, you just don't want to).... A ship class that is inherently weak because of that cloak. Remember that cloak is our "armor" unlike you who have enough armor to laugh at any SB that bombs you. Hell even my helios can tank 2 bombs before it gets into armor.
Yet you want it nerfed even more so you "feel safe" in 0.0 hehe Makes no sense to me at all.
I have sat in NOL, and D4F before for 2 or 3 hours an not one single person ever said boo to me or about me...
Because they know I am not a threat. You lads need to "man up" as you Americans call it, an grow a pair I think.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.06.04 06:40:00 -
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Let's just face the facts:
When someone enters that 0.0 system, it makes the bots warp to SS or dock.
So the people running the bots can't hunt down the cloaker and kill him. Times a wasting, ISK is being lost. HE MUST DIE!!!!!!
But alas, he is cloaked, and cannot be probed out and hunted down.
Look at any drone region system: seldom more than 3 people in them, they all have 5+ sec status, and the map stats for "faction ships destroyed" show them in the hundreds. Yeah, there's no bots here. Right.
So you show up, and suddenly there will be one player shadowing you. It's funny to watch. They always start out assuming you are docked so they try to camp the station before their maps update to show more reliable data on "docked and active" or "in space".
And that cloak just keeps running.....
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Gh0st Rid3r
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Gh0st Rid3r on 04/06/2010 07:52:12
Originally by: Corina Jarr I don't get why people always come up with strange "solutions" to the AFK cloak "problem".
Here's my solution (and its only to silence the whiners): 1) have a timer record input from the user 2) after an amount of time of no input (1 hr for example) a pop-up comes on screen saying something along the lines of "Unless you hit ok, your session will close in 5 minutes" 3) if the person is really online, they hit ok 4) if they are afk, the session ends
This not only solves the afk cloak "problem" but also removes all afk folks (after the time picked by CCP) thus lowering the load on the server (and in places like Jita, this could help a lot potentially).
If anyone actualy cares enough about this issue, feel free to suggest my idea. I don't care.
hell no .. if i whant to afk in game 24/7 (cloak or not) i CAN because i pay to play this game 24/7
and about cloak ... its working like intended
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Conmen
Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.08 19:07:00 -
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This is ******ed k thanks and probably a reflection of your intelligence and understand of game mechanics. Also stop whining you carebear noob. Please shoot down this tardbear idea faster then a tweaked out tweaker resisting arrest.
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Tsukiko Ishida
Interstellar Waffle Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.06.13 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Tsukiko Ishida on 13/06/2010 18:54:57 I want to say, first, that I support cloaking and am primarily a covert-ops/recon pilot. But this:
Quote: ... uncloaking is risk to the cloaker, we can't harm anyone and we stay cloaked...
Quote: ... no threat, no damage if I'm cloaked...
Is either blatant lying or a clear lack of understanding of what covert ops can do.
A covert ops can:
- Use the cloak to get within say, 30-40k, uncloak long enough to deploy a normal/Covert Portal Generator and hot drop you with an untold number of bombers/recons/black ops
Can they do this while AFK? Of course not. But that also means you have no idea when they are not AFK, and they're possibly getting in place for a hot drop. Will you kill them as they uncloak? Possibly, but they have the element of surprise and they really don't need long for those drops to come through.
Cloaking has a very real, and tangible use that you don't realize until you see a local spike of 50 due to a normal/Covert Portal Generator that wasn't there a second ago.
PS:Covert Portal Generators can be used in cyno-jammed systems
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Julius Romanus
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.13 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tsukiko Ishida Edited by: Tsukiko Ishida on 13/06/2010 18:54:57 I want to say, first, that I support cloaking and am primarily a covert-ops/recon pilot. But this:
Quote: ... uncloaking is risk to the cloaker, we can't harm anyone and we stay cloaked...
Quote: ... no threat, no damage if I'm cloaked...
Is either blatant lying or a clear lack of understanding of what covert ops can do.
A covert ops can:
- Use the cloak to get within say, 30-40k, uncloak long enough to deploy a normal/Covert Portal Generator and hot drop you with an untold number of bombers/recons/black ops
Can they do this while AFK? Of course not. But that also means you have no idea when they are not AFK, and they're possibly getting in place for a hot drop. Will you kill them as they uncloak? Possibly, but they have the element of surprise and they really don't need long for those drops to come through.
Cloaking has a very real, and tangible use that you don't realize until you see a local spike of 50 due to a normal/Covert Portal Generator that wasn't there a second ago.
PS:Covert Portal Generators can be used in cyno-jammed systems
Right, and all of that is working exactly as intended. I know you arent anti cloakers, but I wanted to add to your post that this is exactly what the systems are in place FOR.
I rat all the time in systems with afk reds, it's part of living in 0.0. If it's a lone SB, i hope i DO get jumped, my tank will hold long enough for the drones to do their work. If it's a super duper covert cyno hotdrop. Well **** I'll lose my ship if i'm not aligned. I dont fly pricey ratting ships, there's a very good chance even a poor response by blues will take out more than i lose. *shrugs* ------------------ For Medicinal Use Only. |
Tsukiko Ishida
Interstellar Waffle Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.06.13 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Romanus Right, and all of that is working exactly as intended. I know you arent anti cloakers, but I wanted to add to your post that this is exactly what the systems are in place FOR
Then we're in agreement. Don't misread my post, I don't think anything should change with the current cloaking mechanics. I'm simply stating that the current arguments being tossed around by the afk cloakers are poorly thought out. I agree with not changing the mechanics, but their reasons aren't logically sound, typically.
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.06.14 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Land0 CaIrissian
Originally by: BC Tank nonsense
Show us on the doll where the cloaky man touched you.
On the Thorax ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Peter Powers
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.08 17:49:00 -
[76]
cause of this thread
Northern Crusade - Daily numbers on EVE's largest current conflict |
Byzan Zwyth
Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2010.07.08 23:29:00 -
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finally a thread worth a laugh or two :) Sig removed. Lacks EVE related content. For more information feel free to contact [email protected]. ~Saint |
Andreya
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.09 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: AFK Cloaker
*chuckle is this a yes vote or a no vote :) _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected]) |
Mella Elcus
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Posted - 2010.07.09 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: Mella Elcus on 09/07/2010 03:39:59 The reason people whine about afk cloaking is because there's something seriously wrong with the intelligence gathering in the game. A 30 sec old alt can provide just as good intelligence as 6 year old vet with 100m+ sp.
This makes it impossible to sneak up to someone ratting/plexing since the moment you step into local he/she will already be aligning to a SS or station.
How do you counter this? Simple, you stay cloaked in the system until no one can be sure if you're really there or not.
So basically, afk cloaking is just a way to counter the perfect intelligence tool known as the local chat. By nerfing afk cloaking you're really just fixing the symptom, not the actual problem.
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Brannor McThife
Caldari Brotherhood of the Ancients
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Posted - 2010.07.09 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: AFK Cloaker
+10 for best post I've seen this week.
-G
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Abbot Laarkin
Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks
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Posted - 2010.07.09 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: BC Tank and this is again why i dont post here.
And yet, you did. Not to mention that the "here" you posted in was the wrong "here". You should in fact of (not) posted "here".
Originally by: BC Tank Some stupid people out there 4 real.
Oh the irony.
Originally by: BC Tank If u READ the post u shall see it isnt about your grandma's new tomato plant but somthing that is broke in eve.
There are several things "broken" in Eve (depending on who you ask ofc.), cloaking isn't one of them. AFK cloaking however is a very obvious symptom of what is in fact "broken". Care to guess what that might be? (hint: it's on page 1)
Originally by: BC Tank forgive me god i replied to an eve online post, please show me the way of my errors.
God may well forgive you (depending on which God you are appealing to). Eve forum posters are known to be somewhat less merciful however.
Peace. ----
Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37?
I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
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Karles
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Posted - 2010.07.09 09:50:00 -
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It is clear, you get a trial, train for a cloak and start annoying ppl. Or use your 1m sp alt to sit there while you are at work or celebrating with your teen buddies.
I am pretty sure CCP did not intended to allow that. Cloak is for intel, scout, bombing, rapid deployment of covops, cyno, etc...
I am pretty sure everyone raging here against this thread are probably afkcloakers, so i don't give a $hit about their oppinion. Every advantage of this kind has to have a counterpart as all ships have actually. I agree with both fuel or capa consumption solutions. No combat = some kind of negative effect to be applied.
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Dray
Caldari Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.09 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dray on 09/07/2010 10:14:56 I have not nor have I ever sat an alt afk cloaking, but there isn't anything wrong here, you're not really interested in a counter for its own sake, you just want it known it can be countered so you can continue on your happy way and make isk without risk, it isn't a great leap of imagination to realize that not only is it a valid tactic, it's a good one, the pvp guys wont give two hoots and the bears get nervous, how it should be.
A long time ago in a galaxy far far away I had to rat for sec and it happened to me, guess what, instead of coming to the forums to cry about it, I went to another system.
Don't try to fix what isn't broken, there's enough broken stuff in game that needs sorting before something that isn't.
My sig comment = This thread.
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People's elbow
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Posted - 2010.07.09 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: People''s elbow on 09/07/2010 10:15:33 lolpart
It would be nice to see 0.0 lolfarmer to have a timer on their ship or guns that allow farming during a period (or a limited number of plex/belt).
Or better, a fuel bay on your ship to cooling guns or propulsion engin, consumming the same fuel of the cloak module. In this way, cloaky ships can buy ALL your fuel, give you some large isk. Then resell you 5x the initial price and keep some to be cloak again :-)
Seriously, why don't you train for a cloaky ship? buy one, fit one, and go with it in ennemi's line ? Oh i know... this give you no money :/ I will give you an hint : IT'S A TRAP
EDIT : I forgot --> Is the term "NULLSEC" or "LOWSEC" means something to whiners?
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2010.07.09 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Caldera on 09/07/2010 12:09:38
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
guys, he's not afk; HE'S NOT AFK DAMMIT, get the **** safe - GTFO, NOW!!!
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2010.07.09 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: BC Tank its a ghey tactic
So is whining on the forum. How can we nerf that? -- Sent from my douchePhone using Look@MEEEEE!
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Aglais
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.09 21:18:00 -
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No. Just no.
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Diablo Ex
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.07.09 21:53:00 -
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Cloaking is not broken...
HTFU you panzy nullsec dwellers.
Go back to Empire where you belong
Enough Already
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Marlona Sky
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:29:00 -
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Posting in a "Please do something about the AFK Cloaker in my plex system so I can get back to bearing 23/7!" thread.
AFK Cloakers are harmless. It is the ones that are not AFK that you should fear...
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Innocent Murderer
Unjustly Accused
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Posted - 2010.07.10 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky AFK Cloakers are harmless. It is the ones that are not AFK that you should fear...
QFT. Sadly, they are very difficult to tell apart.
Anyways...the summary of all the fuel ideas that I've seen:
--Make the fuel a PI product so wormhole people don't have to go to empire for it.
--Make a dedicated fuel bay for cloaking-specific ships such as a covops in order not to nerf the cargohold.
--Make the fuel last a pretty damn long time, but not forever (somewhere in the timeframe of 12-24 hours.
--Make the cloak consume the fuel upon activation.
--Make the fuel come in very small units that don't last a long time so that people who cloak/decloak while passing through gates and such aren't using up a sixteenth of their fuel every time they activate the module.
--Make an announcement a long time before actually implementing the fuel requirement.
--Make the fuel fairly cheap.
--Make non-specialized ships with cloaks consume much more fuel than spec'd ships.
--Change nothing else about the way a cloak works.
I may have forgotten to include an idea or two, so this will probably get edited at some point.
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