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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:05:00 -
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Ubiquitous Newt wrote:Dead right, OP. T3 were a stupid addition; they're used almost exclusively for low-cost headshotting on cargoships. Just what Eve didn't need MORE of... Considering how rare it has become these days, EVE certainly didn't need less of itGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Alara IonStorm
2952
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:07:00 -
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Ubiquitous Newt wrote: You assume too much, catbag. I put a "moderate" amount of items in the only cost effective ship that would hold it, tanked it as completely as possible, and got ganked by an extremely cost-effective ship with a broken risk/reward ratio. In "hisec." (lulz) They don't make battleships with holds big enough to carry a POS, including a cargo-expanded, shield-tanked marauder, so your options are indy, Orca, or freighter, of which the latter two are frankly more goddamn money than you should have to spend to have a semi-decent chance at Arriving Alive with a few hundred mil of cargo.
Buy a Transport Ship or hire someone. An industrial takes a day to train and costs less then a Frigate, they are not optimal haulers for large goods at all.
And yes a good Hauler with Cargo Expanders and Rigs can take a Tornado hit if you invest in it. Mammoth, Itty V, Badger II full Cargo Fits above the first strike Volley of a Nado.
I don't assume anything. You lost your ship do to poor planning and 11000 Alpha is nothing to the player who thinks. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10043
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:12:00 -
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Ubiquitous Newt wrote:Quote: So basically you put a huge amount of money in a ship unsuitable to hold it yet still good enough to tank a couple of shots from a Tornado if fit right and what you took away from it are Tornado's are unfair.
You assume too much, catbag. I put a "moderate" amount of items in the only cost effective ship that would hold it, tanked it as completely as possible, and got ganked by an extremely cost-effective ship with a broken risk/reward ratio. In "hisec." (lulz) They don't make battleships with holds big enough to carry a POS, including a cargo-expanded, shield-tanked marauder, so your options are indy, Orca, or freighter, of which the latter two are frankly more goddamn money than you should have to spend to have a semi-decent chance at Arriving Alive with a few hundred mil of cargo....Really, the problem here is that there is no middle-range hauler between an indy and an Orca, but that's been an issue for years. ...That said, I'm with the OP; you all can hate on him all you want, but the fact remains that T3 BCs are frigging easymode for ganks, and useless for anything else. When you show us one used for anything *other* than bullying frigates and indys, maybe we'll be impressed. Should have used a BR (Meaning Alara was right) and also, learn to quote.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Alara IonStorm
2952
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:26:00 -
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Ubiquitous Newt wrote: ...That said, I'm with the OP; you all can hate on him all you want, but the fact remains that T3 BCs are frigging easymode for ganks, and useless for anything else. When you show us one used for anything *other* than bullying frigates and indys, maybe we'll be impressed.
Oh, you added more. T3's have a ton of uses outside ganks.
Oracles are used as fast Scorch fleets and Tach Snipers. Talos, shield kiter and duel web fast BS DPS ship. Nado, whelp fleets, snipers and kiters. Naga Sniper Fleet and 60kEHP DPS Rams with the speed of a shield Cane.
They have a ton of uses. The most hilarious part is cheaper ganks are not one of them. Before their release the Tempest got insurance when it ganked someone and costs about 90mil at the time. It was cheaper to gank back then, than it is now.
There are a dozen fleet doctrines based around these ships. Just because you failed to protect your assets in a game where with an ounce of prevention you could have doesn't mean anything. |
Ubiquitous Newt
The F-Bombers
2
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:36:00 -
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I think making a point of tanking a ship qualifies as "an ounce" of prevention, thanks. Again: the only other ships that can carry a POS are Orcas, freighters and ...oh, right - cloaky haulers. I freely admit to picking one of those up afterward. Lesson learned.
...I still don't think you'll make a valid argument that hisec Tornado ganking even vaguely constitutes a reasonable "risk vs reward" scenario, however. FFS , that Tornado pilot I ran into has a 38:1 profit ratio. If money gets tight and I decided I'm enough of a jerkass, I might try it myself...
As for me, I bought a viator, moved to nullsec, and lived happily ever after.... but you're gong to hear a loooot of hisec whining over how "unfair" this gig is for a long time, because they are. One-shot kills are annoying, in hisec doubly so. |
Viceroy Jane
Demons on Wings Asgard Supplies and Logistics
5
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:49:00 -
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Tier 3 BCs are the yummiest of all snacks for my bomber. |
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
176
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:52:00 -
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Ubiquitous Newt wrote:I think making a point of tanking a ship qualifies as "an ounce" of prevention, thanks. Again: the only other ships that can carry a POS are Orcas, freighters and ...oh, right - cloaky haulers. I freely admit to picking one of those up afterward. Lesson learned.
...I still don't think you'll make a valid argument that hisec Tornado ganking even vaguely constitutes a reasonable "risk vs reward" scenario, however. FFS , that Tornado pilot I ran into has a 38:1 profit ratio. If money gets tight and I decided I'm enough of a jerkass, I might try it myself...
As for me, I bought a viator, moved to nullsec, and lived happily ever after.... but you're gong to hear a loooot of hisec whining over how "unfair" this gig is for a long time, because they are. One-shot kills are annoying, in hisec doubly so.
It may qualify as a gram of prevention. First off you didn't equip enough tank. I know first hand a proper tanked Iteron Mark V can take 2 strong volleys from Tornados and get away in low armor, so you didn't tank well enough or you lingered too long. Second, more important than tanking is not putting too much in a T1 indy ship. You got ganked because you made it profitable to do so. If you keep less than 100mil in a T1 indy you probably aren't going to get ganked. If you want to fly around with 1bil isk loads get a freighter or a transport ship. Oh and don't autopilot when you have a load full of stuff.... |
Alara IonStorm
2954
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:11:00 -
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Dat Fit. |
ArmyOfMe
Omniscient Order
99
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:32:00 -
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Xinivrae wrote:I'm pretty sure I can take a stab at what happened to you today... made me lol Suleiman Shouaa> And you still think you're taking risks? NightmareX> I do. I take risks every day. But i do whatever i can to make sure i'm not ending up in a loss.
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Lilianna Star
State War Academy Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:58:00 -
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Quote:EVE is being invaded by the Call of Duty "Bro" mentality. This mentality is all about "blapping" and "fragging" and "l33t kills" and "noob tubes".
Yeah, nope.
It's funny how we, as the gamer community, frequently condemn society for using easy scapegoats. But then whenever there's a change we dislike, we immediately turn to those god damn Call of Duty players. How noobish they are or whatever.
I really don't care for Call of Duty. I think the series is far too random and sometimes it seems as though winning or losing is based on a dice roll.
But seriously, it's not deserving of the hate. Just get to the point and stop with your CoD bashing. |
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:07:00 -
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Working as intended. Quit whining... |
Mutant Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
1
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:16:00 -
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Ubiquitous Newt wrote:Dead right, OP. T3 were a stupid addition; they're used almost exclusively for low-cost headshotting on cargoships. Just what Eve didn't need MORE of...
...funny story for you about that... I got ganked by a Tornado about a month ago in Hatakani in my trusty indy with "really a bit too much" cargo. This ganking character has made over 700 billion and lost under 40 with the "nuclear strike on a busload of nuns" hunting method. ...Fine, but he'd pay a little extra for it this time, I decided. I trained the T2 large blasters I'd been neglecting, bought an insured Megathron, and stalked. and stalked. Eventually I realized his -10sec ass had to be hiding at a safepoint...so I scanned, and scanned, and holy of holies, found him in his capsule next to a Tornado...got my guns, warped to him annnnd...
...and nothing happened. Sure, I locked him. But you can't shoot capsules, and you can't shoot empty ships. As I went to go dump my megathron for something smaller, he docked, and the goat rapist literally hasn't been online since. Pretty sure he's waiting out my killrights.
Morals of the story? -Learning experiences: hardly ever overrated -T3 Battlecruisers are unfair as hell. One shot alpha, maybe 2 tops, on anything smaller than a battleship? F-U, CCP, seriously. Do you ever catch a dumb idea before you implement it? -Not being able to shoot empty ships without a CONCORDOKKEN is highly idiotic.
(...Did I scare you that bad, brosef? What, you can't spare $100mil out of that $700bil for an extra Tornado? ...Next time, try to remember how many people in Eve hate you and not take such a long dump while logged in. Great for a laugh though!) Jesus christ, you are stupid and there are so many holes in your story that it isn't even funny. An alpha Tornado only hits for about 11k damage with maxed(Or close to max) skills and that's with T2 Arties. You can't shoot -10 capsules? That's an idiotic assumption on your part and you really should learn the game mechanics before you ***** about them. You can't shoot empty ships, no, but you can take them out from under the person's nose if they are just sitting next to them in a pod. I understand all of this requires the mental capacity of someone who has more than a double digit I.Q. and I know that is asking a lot of you carebears but maybe you should learn game mechanics before bitching.
P.S. No, I don't do the whole suicide ganking thing or sniping undocks/gates because it is simply boring but that doesn't mean that you should be rewarded for being inattentive, lazy morons who have no idea how this PvP game works.
P.P.S. If you can't figure out how to tank a hauler enough so that it doesn't get one volleyed by a Tornado when only carrying a large tower, you should head back to WoW. |
Bucketfor Yourtears
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:22:00 -
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Xinivrae wrote:I'm pretty sure I can take a stab at what happened to you today...
Like this guy needs more knives pointed at him |
Quaaid
EVE Pilot Help Center
96
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:25:00 -
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Nice Necro. |
Mutant Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
2
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:28:00 -
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Thread isn't even a month old, nice try though. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:31:00 -
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Mutant Caldari wrote:
P.S. No, I don't do the whole suicide ganking thing or sniping undocks/gates because it is simply boring but that doesn't mean that you should be rewarded for being inattentive, lazy morons who have no idea how this PvP game works.
P.P.S. If you can't figure out how to tank a hauler enough so that it doesn't get one volleyed by a Tornado when only carrying a large tower, you should head back to WoW.
P.P.P.S. Funny ****...
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Kunming
CyberShield Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION
69
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:35:00 -
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Rain King wrote:I wouldn't say that they've killed PvP, but they have made ganking retardedly easy. So easy that even HE can do it. But hey, that's where the game is headed, so whatever.
hey tio is bad arse man, he'll blow ur face off
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10043
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:48:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Dat Fit. I did say, 'oh dear' when I saw it.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
NEONOVUS
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:54:00 -
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Right so I tried this on a MOA to see if it worked (don't blame me for poor target choice yet). Now the nice part is my alpha was 10k with phased plasma L This resulted in the Moas shield being stripped and a bit of armor damage. Now I mad the mistake 1 of engaging my can bait to close to a station so redocks were possible. My second mistake was engaging an intelligent opponent than myself. So he redocks and returns in an autocane. Now I was smart and was aligned to a safespot for this. Unfortunately I stayed aligned and was 12 kms to close. An then along comes the scramming. So I did not break the shield and I died. So what I learned is that one, t3 bcs are easily killed if engaged by anything not alphable. Two safespots should be off grid. Three people will complain about about the damnedest things rather than learning that there are other play styles. |
XxRTEKxX
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
8
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:00:00 -
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To the op, don't undock in lowsec if people are in local and you don't have an undocking bookmark setup. You're simply asking, no begging to die if you don't prepare or pay attention. |
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2336
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:12:00 -
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Mutant Caldari wrote:Jesus christ, you are stupid and there are so many holes in your story that it isn't even funny. An alpha Tornado only hits for about 11k damage with maxed(Or close to max) skills and that's with T2 Arties. You can't shoot -10 capsules? That's an idiotic assumption on your part and you really should learn the game mechanics before you ***** about them. You can't shoot empty ships, no, but you can take them out from under the person's nose if they are just sitting next to them in a pod. I understand all of this requires the mental capacity of someone who has more than a double digit I.Q. and I know that is asking a lot of you carebears but maybe you should learn game mechanics before bitching. According to my observations, carebears tend to shoot off about game mechanics before learning about them. Kind of like when they talk about the EULA.
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Alara IonStorm
2957
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:17:00 -
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James 315 wrote:According to my observations, carebears tend to shoot off about game mechanics before learning about them. Kind of like when they talk about the EULA. I think talk like that is technically griefing. I've taken the liberty of petitioning you 18 times in a row, that way you get banned faster. I filed it under every category so they can't miss it. I haven't read the EULA so I just wrote he plays the game in opposition to the way I play the game.
Enjoy your incoming perma-ban. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1686
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:18:00 -
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PvP is not an acronym for combat, noob.
(i'll just repeat this until everybody got it ... ^^) Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
101
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:19:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:To top it all off, many of the people who fly these things are Bronies! Nothing like losing your frigate on an undock and then having Rainbow Dash linked in local.
>.> Whats wrong with Bronies? |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
101
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:22:00 -
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PvP != Combat Undock in a bigger ship I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
59
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:31:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:We're all familiar with the Tier 3 (Hereafter T3) Battlecruisers. They are BCs that can fit BS sized guns and can do quite a bit of damage, although they are frail.
EVE is being invaded by the Call of Duty "Bro" mentality. This mentality is all about "blapping" and "fragging" and "l33t kills" and "noob tubes".
T3s offer these....people....the best way to get l33t kills. A T3 can alpha strike many targets smaller than a battlecruiser, so you can sit off a station undock in lo sec waiting to alpha people. This is technically PVP, but seriously CCP?
T3s also have also created a new kind of risk averse PVPer who is interested only in blapping frigs and runs from anything that he can't alpha. You see them roaming through low and null blapping frigates but running from anything bigger.
CCP has created a ship designed to appeal to the legions of trolls and no-skill CoD rejects. It has turned much of lo sec EVE pvp into a joke and BroFest.
To top it all off, many of the people who fly these things are Bronies! Nothing like losing your frigate on an undock and then having Rainbow Dash linked in local. Holy **** do you make a whine thread about every ship type that kills you? |
NEONOVUS
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:43:00 -
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Tarn Kugisa wrote:PvP != Combat Undock in a bigger ship But not to big! Remember we are helping this one since he went to the forums. We can kill the rest. |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
147
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Posted - 2012.08.13 19:42:00 -
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So sour. |
Pipa Porto
722
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Posted - 2012.08.13 20:25:00 -
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Ubiquitous Newt wrote:I think making a point of tanking a ship qualifies as "an ounce" of prevention, thanks. Again: the only other ships that can carry a POS are Orcas, freighters and ...oh, right - cloaky haulers. I freely admit to picking one of those up afterward. Lesson learned.
...I still don't think you'll make a valid argument that hisec Tornado ganking even vaguely constitutes a reasonable "risk vs reward" scenario, however. FFS , that Tornado pilot I ran into has a 38:1 profit ratio. If money gets tight and I decided I'm enough of a jerkass, I might try it myself....
1. Ganging with a Tornado is more expensive than Ganking in an insured Battleship pre-Crucible.
2. The only reason ganking Haulers is profitable is because people like you make it profitable for the people ganking you. (Red Frog/Push could have taken your stuff to your destination system, then you could have undocked and warped straight to your moon. No need to buy a Freighter.)
3. Had you only had the POS in your hold, you wouldn't have been ganked for it. You were ganked for the 300m ISK worth of other stuff filling the hold of a ship that, fit like that, can be killed by a warm bucket of spit.
3a. Multiple trips would have saved you.
4. Just because it's your best effort at tanking your ship doesn't mean that it's a good tank. (T2 1MN MWD ) EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Irya Boone
Escadron leader
35
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Posted - 2012.08.13 20:30:00 -
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I heard that mackinaw killed eve pvp and wow pvp ..... rumors Whormoles are working as Intended .. so don't Touch my Hole CCP !!!
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