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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.05.29 16:35:00 -
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That is the most funny thread since years. And now even this 'fix'.
Haaaaaaaaaaahahhahahahahahaha
I just wonder what will come next. But thanks for increasing my profits even more now
Seriously CCP devs, how did you get the stats and PI material requirements for those pos modules and outpost? Throwing dices or what? |
Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.05.29 16:42:00 -
[542]
Picard and Riker respond to the fix currently in place.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.29 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus All of the 'solutions' at this point are bad. It just depends on which one is the least worst. I'm sure whatever CCP comes up with will be something totally unexpected by everyone and very unique, but whatever it is, I'm sure it will be universally disliked and be far worse than anything anyone can currently think of. I can't wait. \o/
ALL HAPPENS AS FORETOLD BY PROPHECY !
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.05.29 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Bellum Eternus All of the 'solutions' at this point are bad. It just depends on which one is the least worst. I'm sure whatever CCP comes up with will be something totally unexpected by everyone and very unique, but whatever it is, I'm sure it will be universally disliked and be far worse than anything anyone can currently think of. I can't wait. \o/
ALL HAPPENS AS FORETOLD BY PROPHECY !
Comon CCP is trying to help to liquidate PI stuff from people's hangars.
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LoveKebab
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.05.29 17:18:00 -
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Dear CCP i would love to jam my systems so can i have a cynojammers seeded again? just dont forget to NOT removing reprocess as i have 10.000 systems to secure xVid4PSP MKV Encoding Tutorial |
Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.29 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 29/05/2010 17:34:42 lol all this has happened before. All this will happen again
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.29 17:38:00 -
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Brilliant change. Tell people they'll regret it if they invest more, and then make the change that is the single best one possible for people who invested more. You're just piling triumph on triumph these days, aren't you?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.29 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 29/05/2010 17:43:16
THERE'S AN APP A BLOG FOR THAT !
...psyche, it's not about this, made you read !
The comments however have one intriguing bit of info by CCP Red Button : "[...]the Tranquility main database which is at the heart of EVE is clustered and fully redundant in every way. If needed we can recover the database up to the minute from backup but the problem is the time it currently takes. So what we aim to do now is being able to instantly switch to a time-delayed mirror in addition to drastically reducing backup restoration times."
Dun-dun-duuuuun ? Nah, they wouldn't do that, would they ?
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wakalaka
Information And Entropy
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Posted - 2010.05.29 17:43:00 -
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It was fun to watch the process from the first "wth" post to the current state, and more to come.
This may be a lesson to CCP on how to deal with zero-day exploits. I'm still mad for listening to CCP Chronotis and bailing out from this, instead of beginning to build eggs. Or maybe not. The 2nd june we'll ultimately know, but this uncertainty about declaring this an (exploit/bug/error/wai) or not should be avoided in the future ;) I praise direct communication from devs to the playerbase, but in this case, it did more damage than anything.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.29 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: wakalaka I'm still mad for listening to CCP Chronotis and bailing out from this
Quite a few people called his "bluff"
Quote: The 2nd june we'll ultimately know
We'll just have to wait until then to see who's the better poker player, Chronotis or the guys calling it a bluff
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TLWE
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Posted - 2010.05.29 17:52:00 -
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I am so happy I didn't invest a single isk into this bug. This gonna hurt when all these one person 100bln isk fortunes formed during last few hours will go simply <puff>. :)
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.29 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: TLWE I am so happy I didn't invest a single isk into this bug. This gonna hurt when all these one person 100bln isk fortunes formed during last few hours will go simply <puff>. :)
Ah, ANOTHER hopeless optimist ! Silly rabbit, ISK trix are for daring kids ! The question is, how much will it hurt you to know you could have made that kind of money yourself but didn't ?
...although I can't really blame you, I didn't do it either. Pesky morals/ethics, I have to try to COMPLETELY get rid of them already, they're really holding me back.
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Maewei Balducci
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Maewei Balducci on 29/05/2010 18:05:43 Edited by: Maewei Balducci on 29/05/2010 18:04:49 just make pos parts. you don't need to use the bug itself to make isk. even with the current P4 prices there are still way to make money doing it.
like IRL : it's bad to make children work, but noone care when you buy the stuff the children make.
... or perhaps you think my way of thinking is way worse XD ?
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Dragossin
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:06:00 -
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Well i was just thinking about what could happen next and i came up with this:
What would happen if ccp "transformed" all PI-materials currently ingame into worthless junk (cookies!) and made all old pos's components recycle for 10 %. Probably even change them back to 100 % after some (unannounced) timeframe.
Seriously, i would love seeing that, because then those people would have spend a nice amount of cash on worthless junk. On the other hand, as this would classify as a exploit (usage of a game mechanic in a way this mechanic was not meant to be used) in most others mmorpgs, they would still be better of.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Maewei Balducci just make pos parts. you don't need to use the bug itself to make isk. even with the current P4 prices there are still way to make money doing it.
Umm... you have to ALREADY HAVE USED the bug issue to some extent, namely the purchase of appropriate POS modules at old NPC prices. It doesn't work now anymore if you didn't do that when you still could.
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Dawne Xi
Minmatar 3D Salvage and Acquisitions
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T ...although I can't really blame you, I didn't do it either. Pesky morals/ethics, I have to try to COMPLETELY get rid of them already, they're really holding me back.
Probably the same reason I didn't do it either .. Karma's a B****.
ôKarma moves in two directions. If we act virtuously, the seed we plant will result in happiness. If we act non-virtuously, suffering results.ö
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 29/05/2010 18:13:24
Originally by: Dawne Xi
Originally by: Akita T Pesky morals/ethics, I have to try to COMPLETELY get rid of them already, they're really holding me back.
Probably the same reason I didn't do it either .. Karma's a B****.
To be completely fair, for me personally, it was probably closer to 45% ethics issues, 45% laziness and 10% the hope CCP would for once actually do something right with regards to economy-related crises
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:21:00 -
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From the last reply i received CCP believes that Tyrannis will actually be able to pull enough materials from all tiers on the market within a week and then everyone else will jump on the pos building bandwagon too.There will be oversupply of some materials for sure.
But they seem pretty confident about it as far as i'm aware only prety much maxed skills WH and 0.0 can plunge huge enough amount of materials to actually counter this whole mess......
Sure some people already cashed and some have deployed/are building stations, but there's a large amount of people building pos/labs and they are the ones that are going to pay the price knowledge is power |
Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
To be completely fair, for me personally, it was probably closer to 45% ethics issues, 45% laziness and 10% the hope CCP would for once actually do something right with regards to economy-related crises
For anyone who believed that, I have some prime swamp real estate. It produces a certain type of gas that when processed with the right factories will turn into a highly lucrative substance...
How can someone with zero ethics have '45% ethics issues'? The laziness I can believe, but 'hope CCP would for once actually do something right' is just to unbelievable! ;-)
Where does the viscous, cutthroat business sense come in, or the glee that accompanies the feeling of stamping on the competition...
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Nauplius
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:29:00 -
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Back on page 16 Herschel made a point that's worth not getting lost: in accounting for one's personal or corporate profit/loss as a result of this, you must take into account that all POS structures you own are worth like a fifth of their pre-Tyrannis value.
Bet some of those gleefully bragging over their paper riches wouldn't be so rich if they properly accounted for that.
The biggest losers of this mess may prove to be not those future Planetary Interactors, but those who hold a significant fraction of their net worth in POSes and their components. Probably more true of corporations than individuals, but there it is.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 29/05/2010 18:32:58
Originally by: Cergorach Where does the viscous, cutthroat business sense come in, or the glee that accompanies the feeling of stamping on the competition...
It's not fun if the competition is a NPC. And it's not *that* much fun either if the competition never managed to start existing (i.e. people that would be doing PI).
Quote: For anyone who believed that, I have some prime swamp real estate.
I am completely willing to submit to a neutral 3rd party full API key audit that would be confidential except to prove the claim I just made about not making any ISK from this. Find a reputable auditor that's willing to work for free (some might like to do it for free just take a peek), or pay one, and you'll get your answer. P.S. I've already made a similar offer to somebody else in the MD thread.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Pennwisedom
Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 29/05/2010 13:24:13
Originally by: Zeba I've been waiting for this exact reply. When it all boils down nothing bad is happening to the game in its overall sense. Yes pi is going to be less profitable but tbh the people who were going to be making the mega profits already are mega zillionairs even before adding to the pile by jumping on this 'mistake'. The average eve player could give a flying **** about it as it doesn't effect them in the slightest as they don't use pos or have territory to spam with cheap outposts.
Matter of fact its going to have a positive effect for startup alliances with so many cheap pos and outposts to buy up and install in their little corner of nullsec. Tbh this whole thread is pretty much the industrial elites and their alts bemoaning the fact that they now don't get to add even moar isk than they could ever use to their wallets that are already full of moar isk than they could ever use. Hrmm, maybe the good doctor eyeball was correct in saying that there are parallels to be drawn between eves economy and rl. The retoric here sounds suspiciously like what you would hear in a goldman sachs boardroom meeting.
this.
tbh the PI stuffs that really matter to me are the nanite paste production chain, and probably POS fuel stuffs (gas planets are so many meaning oxygen will be to POS what trit is to modules) so that I can keep a relatively small and quite maintenance free passive income.
This thread should really be over after that post.
all this really makes me wonder.
did CCP botched? yes. quite hard actually, by making the P4 stuff from PI pretty much irrelevant.
but that's the thing: the P4's
now POS fuels?, nanite paste production? tbh quite totally unaffected by this, unless you can reprocess P4's in P3's and P3's in P2's and all the way down till raw materials.
in sum: what CCP just did was crashing the POS/outpost markets for the next weeks/months/probably couple of years. ---
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 29/05/2010 18:42:31
Originally by: Dragossin Well i was just thinking about what could happen next and i came up with this:
What would happen if ccp "transformed" all PI-materials currently ingame into worthless junk (cookies!) and made all old pos's components recycle for 10 %. Probably even change them back to 100 % after some (unannounced) timeframe.
Seriously, i would love seeing that, because then those people would have spend a nice amount of cash on worthless junk. On the other hand, as this would classify as a exploit (usage of a game mechanic in a way this mechanic was not meant to be used) in most others mmorpgs, they would still be better of.
except that
-if you build the right POS mods now, you escape all the consequences and still get all the money. also, nothing will happen until Wednesday, leaving plenty of time - the t4 PI market is therefore still screwed for several months because there's huge oversupplies of POS equipment - you penalize innocent third parties who just want to use their shiny new blueprints because the materials are now and have been purchasable on the market since wednesday for exceedingly cheap prices.
right now, i'm with the calling-your-bluff crowd. either CCP do a rollback (for three days now? haha, yeah right) or a pseudorollback (cancel POS/station jobs in progress, return all isk spent on t4 mats, delete all t4 materials, all of which is very troublesome and will result in worse GM headaches than the 1.5hr database screwup), or they do absolutely nothing apart from plugging the leak and letting the powers of the free market work it out
There are no half-assed solutions that will work. x10ing all the PI components leaves a gigantic loophole for anyone who builds now and escapes the wrath of Chronotis. Deleting or cookieifying all the t4 mods still leaves loopholes and additional economic/player relations damage
face it, the stuff is in the economy now, it can only be removed via drastic measures or ignored _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep! |
Drudging
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:41:00 -
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Akita, your thread reads like a label on Dr Bronners magic soap. |
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CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:46:00 -
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Hi Folks,
As CCP Navigator announced, the NPC sell orders were temporarily removed to prevent further purchase for reprocessing. Granted this might inconvience the small number of people who need to buy starbase modules dependant on how many players choose to market the current stockpiles of their modules and in short the PvP competition there.
The velocity of these items is fairly low, for example around 20-50 large towers are generally bought every day around the 'verse. With the highest velocity items being silos and small batteries at around 250 a day as a ballpark figure. Hence whilst it will invaribly lead to some chaos whilst suppliers attempt to fill the gap and compete with each other and what price they are willing to settle for. The stockpiles even before Tyrannis are quite reasonbly large so there prices will fluctuate according to how fast these stocks are monetized and whether or not demand reduces during this period.
This is not the fix, but the first fix of a few, with more to follow as we announced in the first reply here that we intend that everything be ready for when Planetary Interaction launches.
More updates will follow in the days ahead.
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Terrax Norik
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:51:00 -
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Time to swap some item types to mess with the stockpilers.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:52:00 -
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why is it every other time i post something changes just enough to make me look like an idiot.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis This is not the fix, but the first fix of a few, with more to follow as we announced in the first reply here that we intend that everything be ready for when Planetary Interaction launches.
Waiting almost 3 days (wakalaka, 2010.05.27 01:17:00) to plug the hole in any way once it became public knowledge was... how should I put this... pretty poor. Also, the way you addressed the issue... removing NPC orders altogether... instead of, say, changing the NPC sell order price for the "issue" structures ? Pretty poor too.
Short of a rollback, somebody, somehow will either get the shaft, get insanely rich, or both could happen to different people at the same time. And the more you draw the conclusion of this out, the worse it gets.
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Gunner
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Gunner on 29/05/2010 18:56:01 Really, if I could nominate an issue worthy of canceling accounts over, this would certainly be in the top 3 if not dealt with properly.
*** 2007.10.06 R.I.P. Hatuk my friend.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.05.29 19:01:00 -
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CCP its nice that you want to get fix but you do realize some people have already turned the isk back in their wallets that can not be fixed. knowledge is power |
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