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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.06.08 15:17:00 -
[871]
Wait, what?
npc BUY orders???
uhm, hello? |
Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.06.08 15:23:00 -
[872]
Originally by: I'thari
Originally by: Akita T ___
Now I wonder just how long will it take to phase out NPC orders for PI stuff. ___
By the way, cheap Robotics FTW Incoming price crash in 5... 4... 3... oh wait, no price crash, there's NPC BUY ORDERS for those damn things too
Buy 10x Mechanical Parts at 603+ ISK/unit for ~6k ISK per batch. Buy 10x Consumer Electronics at 207+ ISK/unit for ~2k ISK per batch. Import the 30 m^3 of one batch to a planet spaceport. Process in an Advanced factory into 3x Robotics. Export the 18 m^3 of one batch. Total material and tax cost so far, ~8.2k per batch tops. Sell to NPC buy orders at little over 21k per batch.
Hooray ?
CCP did promice people who will do PI a viable market, did they not? Well, here it is... let the great robotics rush begin! \o/
I kind of figured this is working as intended. It gives people doing PI an incentive to start up, giving them some profit up front instead of having to wait till when the NPC sell orders are gone.
Honestly, it's starting to sound like the OP is a bad Journalist. Sure, his first story was a success. He had a major press release, which really did stop all the presses. Now, the fame is gone to his head. He's trying to grasp at any news tidbit, in the hopes of making another sensational story, and is just floundering along, headed for a career at the National Enquirer or the Sun.
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Pippan
Gallente Dark Legion Society
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Posted - 2010.06.08 15:32:00 -
[873]
So i have a question.
How do one loose control of your isk-making planet without letting it run out of resources or fuel? ____________________
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pmchem
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 15:49:00 -
[874]
Originally by: Akita T ___
Now I wonder just how long will it take to phase out NPC orders for PI stuff. ___
By the way, cheap Robotics FTW Incoming price crash in 5... 4... 3... oh wait, no price crash, there's NPC BUY ORDERS for those damn things too
Buy 10x Mechanical Parts at 603+ ISK/unit for ~6k ISK per batch. Buy 10x Consumer Electronics at 207+ ISK/unit for ~2k ISK per batch. Import the 30 m^3 of one batch to a planet spaceport. Process in an Advanced factory into 3x Robotics. Export the 18 m^3 of one batch. Total material and tax cost so far, ~8.2k per batch tops. Sell to NPC buy orders at little over 21k per batch.
Hooray ?
It's almost as if CCP didn't examine in detail how PI would interact with npc buy/sell orders at any stage of the PI deployment. At all. One failure after another. Tyrannis is a rolling joke.
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2010.06.08 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Pippan So i have a question.
How do one loose control of your isk-making planet without letting it run out of resources or fuel?
You can't run completely out of resources and no type of fuel is needed at all - so you can't lose control, unless you will delete structures yourself.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2010.06.08 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Now I wonder just how long will it take to phase out NPC orders for PI stuff.
NPC *buy* orders are not such a bad thing. They would keep the prices at a point where doing PI will be worth the effort. NPC sell orders on the other hand undercut player efforts.
Infinite demand is not such a bad thing in a make believe world.
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pmchem
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 18:08:00 -
[877]
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
NPC *buy* orders are not such a bad thing. They would keep the prices at a point where doing PI will be worth the effort. NPC sell orders on the other hand undercut player efforts.
Infinite demand is not such a bad thing in a make believe world.
Yet another terrible economic post from a pubbie on the official forums. If you want your infinite demand, you can also have your insurance fraud battleships back, because it's the same thing. Building battleships just to self-destruct them and profit is a pretty dumb gimmick even in a make believe world. Infinite demand.
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Julian Koll
The Kollektive
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Posted - 2010.06.08 19:34:00 -
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So, thats roughly 15k per 500tf factory per hour. Lets take 40 factories per Elite PCC Lets take 6 Planets
15k * 40 * 6 = 3.6m/h or 2.592m a month.
Nice isk printing machine i'd say...
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Teinyhr
Minmatar Nor'akho Matar
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Posted - 2010.06.08 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: pmchem Yet another terrible economic post from a pubbie
Protip: Calling other people pubbies makes it REALLY look like you know what you talk about yourself.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 19:50:00 -
[880]
shut up pubbie
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.08 20:11:00 -
[881]
Originally by: Weaselior shut up pubbie
Says a pubbie.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Gith Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.08 20:36:00 -
[882]
Originally by: Weaselior shut up pubbie
How many people have you called a pubbie today? lol Go back to counter-strike, son
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pmchem
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 20:39:00 -
[883]
we make true posts and the truth shall set us free
from pubbies
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.09 03:18:00 -
[884]
Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia
Originally by: I'thari
Originally by: Akita T [...]Total material and tax cost so far, ~8.2k per batch tops. Sell to NPC buy orders at little over 21k per batch.
CCP did promice people who will do PI a viable market, did they not? Well, here it is... let the great robotics rush begin! \o/
I kind of figured this is working as intended. It gives people doing PI an incentive to start up, giving them some profit up front instead of having to wait till when the NPC sell orders are gone. Honestly, it's starting to sound like the OP is a bad Journalist. Sure, his first story was a success. He had a major press release, which really did stop all the presses. Now, the fame is gone to his head. He's trying to grasp at any news tidbit, in the hopes of making another sensational story, and is just floundering along, headed for a career at the National Enquirer or the Sun.
Oh, really now ? It's not a problem you say ? Let's see...
First off, THIS PARTICULAR "REACTION" has absolutely nothing to do with how P.I. was supposed to work.
You can do it on ANY planet as long as all the NPC orders are still in place, and you don't have to have ANY kind of extractors whatsoever. You just pick whatever planet is closest to the NPC orders for minimal hauling effort. The setup you will use for this particular "thing" has next to nothing in common with what you will be doing afterwards, when the PI-P2s in question (mech.parts and cons.elec) no longer have dirt-cheap NPC sell orders, and the PI-P3 in question (robotics) no longer has NPC buy orders. When the orders drop, you will basically demolish your entire setup because you would have nothing else better to do with it, as its profitability dropped to next to nothing (not that it really matters as you would have recovered more than enough).
Second off, it's insanely profitable, so insanely profitable you would be stupid NOT to do it for as long as it's possible. One can only assume by now most people that would want to have anything to do with PI would have trained the two "main" skills to at least L4, and even somebody that hasn't considered it would find getting them both to L3 to be a very fast thing. Now, with both L4 skills, let's see what we can do. OMIGOSHHOWCUTEANDSTUFF!!! Look at them pretties, 21 factories per planet, 10 per starport cluster and one extra linked to both starports, and just on a L4 skill CC ! Might not be the best setup, but it's easier to count them this way. You can dump fill each starport with just MechP or ConsuElec (one with each) or you can distribute them almost evenly in both. Eiter way, it's doable even with 21 factories, and with 20 factories it would be piece of cake even for the most slow with enough MW/tf wiggle room. Each factory eats up 30 m^3/hour, so your 21 factories eat up a combined 15120 m^3/day. How nice that you actually have 20000 m^3 storage space in the two spaceports, so you can easily make due with ONE visit per day, not even having to restart any extractors, just import/export stuff. How cute again !
Times 5 planets, that's 100 factories (let's not say 105 even if it's doable), spewing out 300 robotics every hour, 7200 every day, 216k every month per CHARACTER... at over 4k per unit profit (let's make that a nice round 4k) by simply selling directly to NPC buy orders, or 864 mil ISK/month the very least ! In reality, it's closer to 4.25k per unit and 226.8k units per month, or 964 mil/month. You would say, "yeah, _IF_ the NPC sell orders remain that long up"... but then again, nobody stops you from stockpiling enough dirt-cheap P2 junk to LAST YOU YEARS reacting !!! Or whatever.
YEAH, I'M SURE CLOSE TO 1 BIL ISK A MONTH FOR SOMEBODY BARELY OUT OF TRIAL IS SOMETHING NOBODY WOULD BOTHER WITH !!! Ah, the not-so subtle sarcasm...
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2010.06.09 03:18:00 -
[885]
Originally by: pmchem we make true posts and the truth shall set us free
from pubbies
Truth is, you're an ass, now go be free
The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.09 03:42:00 -
[886]
This is just awesome CCP _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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DasDizzy
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.09 04:01:00 -
[887]
Great stuff CCP, this is now on average, more profitable than scamming corps.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.09 04:06:00 -
[888]
Of course, as soon as the NPC buy orders for robotics go away, Robotics would crash into nothingness profit-wise
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Narfas Deteis
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Posted - 2010.06.09 04:58:00 -
[889]
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1332998&page=1#6
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General Bezelbub
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.09 04:59:00 -
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Well, I suppose CCP could break all the NPC goods in a few days, to make PI what they want. It worked good for p4!
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Narfas Deteis http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1332998&page=1#6
Oh, yeah, take another week or two to phase out orders, give everybody the time to stockpile And that's still close to half a bil ISK per person until then (2 weeks), assuming you could no longer sell robotics at a profit afterwards (i.e. price would no longer be at around or above 3k per unit, like the 7++k it is right now - in which case, plasma planets are a crapshoot anyway).
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:19:00 -
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what happens when everyone sells their robotics to the npc?Whos gonna supply them for fuel i need some fueeeeel yoo! knowledge is power |
ghosttr
Amarr Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:20:00 -
[893]
CCP dropped the ball on this not once but twice now
1-2 weeks, to devalue PI even more WTF is CCP thinking. They should give everybody till the weekend to stockpile pos fuels, and if they dont, then they dont deserve a pos. Its not like pos are still tied to sov anyways Prospecting! |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:31:00 -
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The only marginally good news is that those specific NPC orders aren't infinite, so there's a limited amount of people that can pull it off... and competition should limit the profitability soon enough that this is public.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:38:00 -
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And then next month the new irrelevant market discussion over the last .0000000005% of profits to be made will get its own threadnaught. This is like predicting the fall of the free world due to the bubble gum market bottoming out. Its only relevant if you trade in bubble gum..
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Marchocias + = +
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:47:00 -
[896]
You take that back ! The world as we know it would like, totally collapse and stuff if there was no more bubble gum for sale !
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr CCP dropped the ball on this not once but twice now
thats not the only screw up there going to make with this expansion.
honestly how these morons are able to write code for this in the first place blows my mind sometimes.
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Miss Moonwych
Formedian Shadows
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Posted - 2010.06.09 06:01:00 -
[898]
Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 09/06/2010 06:01:49
Originally by: Akita T The only marginally good news is that those specific NPC orders aren't infinite, so there's a limited amount of people that can pull it off... and competition should limit the profitability soon enough that this is public.
Plus the fact that it takes around 1-2 days to break even, due to the cost of the 21 processors, 2 spaceports and the (advanced) command center. Assuming they can't be used effectively for "normal" PI afterwards because (the setup) becomes somewhat useless.
I guess the question is how quickly they will phase this out.
Regards,
M.M.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.06.09 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Grozen on 09/06/2010 06:35:41 they said 2weeks:P so no nothing like the 1month billion stuff will happen.All that will happen is ppl won't have fuel knowledge is power |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.09 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen they said 2weeks:P so no nothing like the 1month billion stuff will happen.
You don't have to rely on just 2 weeks of robotics output. You can still stockpile all the cheap P2s you can still buy now for the next 2 weeks or so until they delete the orders, either to directly sell at a higher price later, or to react and sell as P3s later. There's only a limited amount of each available per day, and they're scattered all over EVE, so the impact might not be too horrible overall.
Quote: All that will happen is ppl won't have fuel
Unlikely. If there's really a scarcity of units available, prices will go up quite fast, and with prices going up more of those that chose to stockpile will decide to sell, and more people will take up actual PI manufacture, starting with extraction (as opposed to, you know, just picking up stray NPC orders). The best way to kickstart PI would have been to yank out all orders and let prices skyrocket, so "proper" PI (again, the one that starts with extraction) would actually have been decently profitable at the very start, profitability going down the more adopt it.
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