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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing Buh-bye npc orders. Now lets see if P.I shapes up.
Well, robotics won't be worth all that much, when I have to look at a 140k unit sell order... -------- All I want is a better mankind.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing Buh-bye npc orders. Now lets see if P.I shapes up.
Well, robotics won't be worth all that much, when I have to look at a 140k unit sell order...
For as long as people keep losing T2 drones, Robotics will slowly become worth it again. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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EvilCheez
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: EvilCheez on 16/06/2010 12:59:05 I was shocked that T2 drone and missile bpos have not been flooding the sell forums lately.
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H3llHound
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing DRACONIAN COVENANT
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:07:00 -
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NPC orders are gone for good over DT. Happy clickfest everyone :D Recruiting │My 3rd Party Service |
Steve Celeste
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:29:00 -
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Message to all stockpilers: sell your stuff at an insane price please, let's milk this.
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Verys
Burning Technologies Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Verys on 16/06/2010 16:01:36 Introducing: PI Panic!!!
Seems those stockpiles will take a while to disapear.
Originally by: Blane Xero
For as long as people keep losing T2 drones, Robotics will slowly become worth it again.
Been doing some research into robotics as well and from what I can see having 5 planets dedicated to full robotic production will become a specialists market due to the huge consumption of the thousands of pos towers and the many inclusions in all other products.
For example I set up a few colonies on singularity to test my theories and I came out with a production rate of 4320 robotics on a daily basis if you time everything exactly right. Now the daily trade volume of robotics is about 1 mil, however time will tell how far this will go down due to the removal of the npc buy orders, but I expect some serious bottleneck issues here once all the stockpiles are gone.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Verys .
Shush you. I'll not have you ruining my plans! _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:45:00 -
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well dammit.
I had 16 planets across 4 accounts making robotics for me
not bad considering until i saw "the Akita T" post i hadnt even bothered to look at PI.
and so my first (and only based on the UI) entry into PI has ended.
I reckon i made about 300m profit plus i have good NPC stocks now.
I wish id heard about it earlier tho. + LDSkill+hireLDS |
Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n well dammit.
I had 16 planets across 4 accounts making robotics for me
not bad considering until i saw "the Akita T" post i hadnt even bothered to look at PI.
and so my first (and only based on the UI) entry into PI has ended.
I reckon i made about 300m profit plus i have good NPC stocks now.
I wish id heard about it earlier tho.
Facepalm. Reason why I almost never gamble. Greed makes one blind.
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Sister Tanya
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:15:00 -
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16 planets x 18 factoriess each running the robotics-Akita'T-setup since day 1, made about 500m profit and got a stock pile of arround 50k robotics 70k of each of the components that will stay with me until either prices run higher, or my POSes run out :P
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:59:00 -
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So, did anybody count the sales totals of the needed P2s across all regions yet vs total robotics traded across all regions (minus far enough-pre-Tyrannis robotics trade average), to guess about how many robotics are there on stock now ?
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 16/06/2010 19:22:51
Originally by: Akita T So, did anybody count the sales totals of the needed P2s across all regions yet vs total robotics traded across all regions (minus far enough-pre-Tyrannis robotics trade average), to guess about how many robotics are there on stock now ?
Too lazy to check every market but at least in the forge, there's about 100m extra mechanical parts and 100m extra consumer electronics, which would net around 30m robotics. Assuming the forge is 1/2-1/3 of total demand, that's 60-90m robotics potentially out there...which is probably 60-90 days supply evewide
I don't really think it's that bad at this point, i think the situation with other NPC seeded materials (esp. guidance systems, of which 150m in the forge were sold at 418/unit, which is enough for around 25 million recursive computing modules...) is going to be worse. Silicon/silicate glass, etc...we'll see
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:06:00 -
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Might as well remove the NPC orders for enriched uranium,which only needs toxic and precious metals and sells for 5000 isk + per unit,and toxic metals are also needed to produce consumer electronics,which by consequence,are also needed for robotics production.
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Moshe Goldberg
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:57:00 -
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Look at those robotics prices in Jita, I wonder what happened?
If you posted here and screamed like a girl about robotics getting worthless when buy orders are gone, you are a noob at economics and shouldn't try to make money in this game trading/producing anything...
Seriously how flawed was that logic?? Limitless supply and fixed price buyout should result in higher prices than limited supply and free market prices?
Meanwhile enjoy your early Christmas with robotics going for 10k+ in Jita.
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Dolgozo Lany
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Posted - 2010.06.18 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Dolgozo Lany on 18/06/2010 07:55:31 Most of the robotics-doom-sayers were 5/10 trolls trying to force future competition to fire sale to npc till it was possible. The others were plain stupid, who a) don't know wtf they were talking about and just **** posting in the forums (for serious-business-Internet-spaceship-celebrity fame and attention hunting) or b) haven't seen robotics construction close hand or haven't calculated the new PI-age EVE's robotics consumption.
Pick your choice where the previous posters (starting with Akita T) belong to.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.18 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer Might as well remove the NPC orders for enriched uranium,which only needs toxic and precious metals and sells for 5000 isk + per unit,and toxic metals are also needed to produce consumer electronics,which by consequence,are also needed for robotics production.
The new price of robotics represents the value of the components, not the previous price. It here to stay and expect it to go higher.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.18 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Merouk Baas on 18/06/2010 11:13:16 You know, I'm seeing a lot of orders but not much volume actually being traded.
And also, did you know that construction blocks (and a lot of other formerly-trade-goods) still drop from various mission destructable structures? It's small volume, but still, it adds up.
EDIT: I doubt the prices are "here to stay". People are inflating the prices hoping for a quick profit before all the pi lemmings start cranking out stuff from planets in huge volumes.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.18 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dolgozo Lany force future competition to fire sale to npc till it was possible
Well, we can't have too many stocks in other people's hands, that's not going to result in much of a profit for anybody, now isn't it right ?
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Star Chief
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Posted - 2010.06.18 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Star Chief Akita, start a new thread already. Please.
Why ?
1. It's a ***** trying to go back and view something that I thought was said on page 22, or 26, etc. 2. Now that the discussion has shifted, a new thread will allow the new discussion to be followed more closely.
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Suicida1
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Posted - 2010.06.18 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Dolgozo Lany force future competition to fire sale to npc till it was possible
Well, we can't have too many stocks in other people's hands, that's not going to result in much of a profit for anybody, now isn't it right ?
So all of this was planned at Sir Molle BBQ 2005?
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Svarty II
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.22 01:18:00 -
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So..
Supply and demand economics should come into effect because all the POS stuff is made from PI. But it appears that this will be completely fubarred due to lots of people with huge stockpiles of stuff(tm) from before the NPC price changes... er...increases... chincreases.
It is only now that I realise I have no idea how necessary all the P4 stuff is. i.e. How many broadcast nodes does one POS need? How many does it use per day, or are they perma?
This might be a little off-topic, but can anybody point me at a website where I can find this? My Google-Fu is failing me.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.22 01:21:00 -
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You only need the P4s to build'em. Look at the blueprint showinfos. In case you don't know how to do that - open up the market, go to the search tab, type in a partial (like, say "tower") and hit enter, then look in the list that shows up for the blueprint you want.
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Svarty II
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.22 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T You only need the P4s to build'em. Look at the blueprint showinfos. In case you don't know how to do that - open up the market, go to the search tab, type in a partial (like, say "tower") and hit enter, then look in the list that shows up for the blueprint you want.
I appreciate your advice, thanks. I would be very interested if anybody knows how much demand there might be for p4 stuff? It seems that it's all perma gear that doesn't wear out, and thus won't have a quick throughput... i.e. producers won't sell them quikly enough to make good profit.
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pmchem
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.22 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Originally by: digitalwanderer Might as well remove the NPC orders for enriched uranium,which only needs toxic and precious metals and sells for 5000 isk + per unit,and toxic metals are also needed to produce consumer electronics,which by consequence,are also needed for robotics production.
The new price of robotics represents the value of the components, not the previous price. It here to stay and expect it to go higher.
Anyone using PI to produce robotics (or the P2s which go into robotics, like consumer electronics) right now is a fool. For the same amount of effort you can produce different P3s which sell for 10x the price and just buy robotics if you need them... and make a nice profit while you're at it.
Many other PI items which were massively stockpiled from npc sell orders suffer the same problems in comparison to the "new" PI products.
Full disclosure: I don't own any robotics and don't produce them via PI.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.22 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Svarty II I would be very interested if anybody knows how much demand there might be for p4 stuff? It seems that it's all perma gear that doesn't wear out, and thus won't have a quick throughput... i.e. producers won't sell them quikly enough to make good profit.
It's not like towers are invulnerable, you know ? Plenty of towers get destroyed (and have to be replaced) on a somewhat regular basis, even in highsec (wardec on research corps, and if they don't take their towers down, they can be blown up), let alone lowsec, 0.0 or w-space. And there's always the issue of SBUs and TCUs, which should be churned through at a more or less regular rate as long as there's any Sov warfare in 0.0. People occasionally want to build outposts too, so again, some demand there too.
Originally by: pmchem Anyone using PI to produce robotics (or the P2s which go into robotics, like consumer electronics) right now is a fool. For the same amount of effort you can produce different P3s which sell for 10x the price and just buy robotics if you need them... and make a nice profit while you're at it. Many other PI items which were massively stockpiled from npc sell orders suffer the same problems in comparison to the "new" PI products.
I can see one scenario where producing robotics isn't quite as stupid : if you have a POS base somewhere deep into 0.0 or w-space, and you seldom (if ever) visit empire space, either because it's too boring, too tiring, you lack the logistics capability or you're trapped or whatnot else, and it's much more convenient (for you) to just produce all POS fuel locally instead. But yeah, in general, producing Robotics from scratch right now, if anywhere near empire space (logistically speaking "cheap"), that's pretty silly for the time being.
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