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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais Still sounds like "SALE NOW ON! BUY NOW WHILE STOCKS LAST!" to me. But what do I know, im just a sales guy.
It's the firesale of the century, there are INFINITE stocks available, but there's a swarm of tactical nukes on approach to the NPC sales interdimensional portal...
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.05.28 09:13:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Akita T Yeah, the sky is not falling. It's just PRACTICALLY as if the PI expansion would have only launched in winter of 2010 the earliest, because that's about when it MIGHT become attractive enough to bother with in any remotely serious fashion.
well there's still nanite paste production and POS fuel harvesting.
...wait it's really not that much considering the production chain needed for nanite paste. the damn thing needs 6 different types of planets to produce. ---
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.05.28 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Gnulpie Shouldn't be difficult to do. Could be done in less than 30 minutes I guess.
You have to admit, just throwing a stopgap over those POS modules for now, combined with the idea of allowing one outpost per planet instead of one per system to suck out as much P4s out of the system as fast as possible is much more awesome for several different reasons.
Just allow outposts in wormholes
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Arajus
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.28 09:43:00 -
[154]
Just increase the NPC prices (10 times or whatever fits) which should solve the problem.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.05.28 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Arajus Just increase the NPC prices (10 times or whatever fits) which should solve the problem.
How would that solve problems with already sold items? Hundreds of billions if not trillions are already spent on those items.
They last for hundreds of outposts.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:00:00 -
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Well, CCP could remove reprocessing, add buy orders for the stuff so people can get their ISK back, then wipe the material from the face of EVE and add reprocessing again once PI is active and the POS mods removed from NPC sell orders. --------
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Erik Finnegan
Gallente Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:01:00 -
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Aren't these the repercussions to be expected, once a formerly closed market (read : NPC-monopoly) is broken up and the market access liberated ?
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Deva Blackfire
Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Well, CCP could remove reprocessing, add buy orders for the stuff so people can get their ISK back, then wipe the material from the face of EVE and add reprocessing again once PI is active and the POS mods removed from NPC sell orders.
What keeps people then from... lets say - keeping mods and not filling in NPC buy orders? :)
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2010 01:00:39
They forgot to make them non-re-processable ? I mean, figures, they couldn't be bothered to let T3 subsystem get reprocessed, but they leave something like this re-processable ? ROFL.
Please do not be negative about Eve. It is not allowed. And it is bad. And it is not allowed.
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Nina Treml
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:06:00 -
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uhm, maybe there's something i don't get is someone producing planetary materials while we don't even have command centers available??
well.... wtf??
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Well, CCP could remove reprocessing, add buy orders for the stuff so people can get their ISK back, then wipe the material from the face of EVE and add reprocessing again once PI is active and the POS mods removed from NPC sell orders.
people could just put the material into production and still get all the benefits, and you'd screw over people who bought but might not have time to sell back _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep! |
Azure Moonlight
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:12:00 -
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No matter what they do in the long run, they MUST remove the nsc sell orders on the market today at downtime.
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Arajus
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Azure Moonlight No matter what they do in the long run, they MUST remove the nsc sell orders on the market today at downtime.
thats for sure!
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Azure Moonlight No matter what they do in the long run, they MUST remove the nsc sell orders on the market today at downtime.
oh, as much as i secretly hope it could happen, there probably won't be any fix _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep! |
Azure Moonlight
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate oh, as much as i secretly hope it could happen, there probably won't be any fix
I fear as much, but then again a little surprise is always welcome. Actually this should be very easy to change and would "improve" the game more than anything else that was released with Tyrannis. I also have a name for this eh content feature patch "Eve stable economy"
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak considering the production chain needed for nanite paste. the damn thing needs 6 different types of planets to produce.
10 units of paste is 4x Nanites(P2) + Gel-Matrix BioPaste(P3) + Data Chips(P3).
Nanites can be built directly on Barren planets, but since the ratio of P2:P3 is 10:3 (3.33:1), and you need them in a 4:1 ratio, you'd have to work a bit more nanite lines compared to the other materials... the good news being there are truckloads of barren planets. Biopaste works best IMO with Barren (P2-biocells) + Gas (P2-oxides) + Storm (P2-superconductors). Data Chips is nastiest indeed... you want Ice (supertensile plastics) and for the other P2 you sadly need to move P1s (dammit, that's ugly) from Lava and Temperate, no other way around it. Also, thank god, you don't NEED Plasma planets. Heh.
Granted, the hauling around will be annoying, but that's about it. You should be able to pour out more than enough relatively casually. Also... heck, there were only ~200k or so purchased daily in The Forge a long time before this expansion, they are still being sold by NPCs (and now they seem to have dropped the price RADICALLY, is this some other weird bug ? dunno, don't care) - thing is, last 5 days, instead of 1 mil total, people already purchased 9.5 mil, and stockpiles will most likely rise up even more sooner than later now that you mentioned them. Not that theusual consumption of ~200k a day, so ~20k daily batches of P3s Forge-wide used up would be a big deal in the grand scheme of things no matter how convoluted the production chain is.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: mental maverick Imagine if stockpiles last as long as the launch of dust 514. The poor grunts wont have anything to shoot at
Oh, they already said as much as "Dust514 could work just fine if EVE didn't exist, and vice-versa" since before they introduced DUST at FanFest.
What that most likely means is that there will be plenty of NPC "actors" on both sides (in EVE acting as DUST mercs, and in DUST acting as EVE employers), with only a small percentage of actual interactions being genuine EVE-player vs DUST-merc action. So, they really don't give that much of a damn about this particular link.
You're presuming they actually have a link. Remember how they removed districts from PI?
Besides, in current development and commercial schema's, CCP is expected to "wrap up" EVE to a maintenance mode without addressing things that pile up, before they can establish new products on top of EVE.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: iP0D You're presuming they actually have a link.
Nah, just saying that in the worst case scenario, if a link still is supposed to exist at all anymore, it was supposed to be expendable anyway.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 28/05/2010 10:53:36
To be honest...
1: Patch to stop reprocessing of POS mods 2: Patch to Delete all P4 items
or...
Roll back the server and reimburse lost training time with free game time.
EDIT: spelling and clarification.
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rashmika Clavain To be honest...
1: Patch to stop reprocessing of POC mods 2: Delete all P4 items
Which wouldn't affect those that bought the mods but haven't reprocessed them yet. ------------------------------------
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:54:00 -
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No it won't, but you could prevent POS modules from being reprocessed for a very long time... ie forever
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Arajus
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rashmika Clavain No it won't, but you could prevent POS modules from being reprocessed for a very long time... ie forever
or destroy all non-processed items on 7th of june
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give players the chance to sell the items on the market for the same price to NPCs until then.
P.S. Can anyone judge if PI will be profitable at all (especially if nothing is done about this issue)?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Arajus Can anyone judge if PI will be profitable at all (especially if nothing is done about this issue)?
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Arajus
Originally by: Rashmika Clavain No it won't, but you could prevent POS modules from being reprocessed for a very long time... ie forever
or destroy all non-processed items on 7th of june
and
give players the chance to sell the items on the market for the same price to NPCs until then.
P.S. Can anyone judge if PI will be profitable at all (especially if nothing is done about this issue)?
if nothing is done, it'll be a lot of work for little rewards.
also, responded to why your response won't work above. People will still make tons of money from the components, they'll just process them into structures _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep! |
The Breadmaster
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:16:00 -
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They need to stop this immediately by:
1. Make the BPO's unbuildable till after June 8 2. Make the bits non-reprocessable.
That seems an easy toggle that can be done quickly. And after that who knows, possibly eject the current jobs running on those BPO's, revalue PI rewards so that the NPC sale price is roughly equivalent to the reprocess... in otherwords increase the build requirement and reprocess for all OTHER bits besides the offending 3.
The problem is then just a time sink to fix up the output of the PI structures to match reprocess.
This would at least leave the possibility of a return on the reprocess "investment".
Whatever it is they need to get in gear... a mere 2 days of this has effectively erased the possibility of using PI to build towers and bits to any advantage.
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Lillian Blu
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:24:00 -
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Hopefully CCP will do something about this during downtime.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lillian Blu Hopefully CCP will do something about this during downtime.
Wanna bet ?
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Azure Moonlight
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:27:00 -
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I actually ask myself why no DEV has responded to this in any way... They write detailed answers to any bull**** question in this forum, but the only real big balancing killer is completely unaddressed thus far.
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Arajus
or destroy all non-processed items on 7th of june
But now you'll affect those players that have bought POS mods for genuine reasons, how do you tell the difference before deletion? ------------------------------------
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Hemp Invader
GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:34:00 -
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my 1 bil isk is turning to 10 bil isk. nuff said
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