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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
UPDATE : seems like another CCP "screw the pooch" moment - the fact it's now a "10-per-batch" thing seems to have prompted module repairs to eat up 10 times as many units, AND NPC sell orders to start going down towards 1/10 of previous price.
ROFL.
yes, this patch indeed has made me laugh quite hard.
as I said, if CCP decides to keep the repair cost in terms of nanite stuffs, then we're looking at a very hard nerf on overheating since I'm not seeing the nanite paste production to be able to cope with the buy orders, SPECIALLY considering that for solo production you will need Interplanetary Consolidation at 5 (6 types of planets needed) and command center upgrades at 4 at the very least, both rank4 skills with charisma primary.
so probably 2-3 months for the market to either stabilize in either relatively ok-ish supply of nanite paste, or chronic lack of nanite paste (thus quite expensive) all around.
either way, at least it seems that gas planets will provide the shortest path from raw materials to produced consumables (noble gas -> oxygen), and will also provide a p2 material (coolant) that can also double for both POS fuel and other PI products.
so at the very least, market for even more POS fuels is there, all that you need is both gas and plasma planets (plasmas are the only ones that can produce 2 of the POS fuels, those being robotics and enriched uranium).
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Dolgozo Lany
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Dolgozo Lany on 28/05/2010 11:41:35
The only good solution I see to handle this major issue:
(i) Stop POS structure refine option as of now.
(ii) Put up NPC buy orders to all POS sturctures 1 ISK less than the sell orders
Anyone who has bought it can sell it again with minimal loss.
(iii) put up NPC buy orders for all P4 PI materials, which were acquired through refining
Anyone who has already refined can get their money back 300K ISK seems to be in order, but this can be discussed. (I have used ****d Equipment as an example here.)
(iv) Rename all P4s to something else & change all BPOs material requirement to the new components.
The only use of the refined P4 would be to sell back to NPC.
End result:
All players who jumped on this train can quit without major loss in ISK, only time is wasted.
PI still can become a new industry, without major hit from this Jammer-refineing-gate.
Is this easy? Nope it's not.
What happens with the already started construction cycles? That's it. That's the gain of the first movers.
Any thoughts?
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Hemp Invader
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:50:00 -
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first of all ccp is ******EEED.
set the structures to unrefinable..naow
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Dragon Greg
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:51:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Dolgozo Lany
Any thoughts?
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:51:00 -
[185]
Actually, CCP can fix this without changing anyone's stock OR the ability to reprocess OR the NPC sell orders. It's very simple: they just add bias to the manufacturing process, in the form of consummables that must be used to manufacture, which you do NOT get back if you reprocess the item back to its components.
All they have to do is add common resources that you can get at any planet (and similar resources for moon mining, and asteroid / ice mining), so that only the miners get these resources. Then modify the blueprints to require these things as consummables, but NOT as materials. If you re-process you get materials back, but NOT the consummables.
Makes mining (including PI mining) worth it somewhat, and they forever avoid these kinds of lack-of-dev-foresight investment opportunities we seem to like so much.
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Azure Moonlight
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:55:00 -
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Hm okay, items still on market... At first sight it seems they didn't change anything... That really gets me down...
Why do they do this? 
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:58:00 -
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Could this be a remnant of back in BoB days the devs were "caught" cheating? Could this be another dev attempt at procuring isk hidden way deep in the system? CCP = BP in public relations.
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Dolgozo Lany
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:58:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Azure Moonlight
Hm okay, items still on market... At first sight it seems they didn't change anything...
Nothing changed. Refining-Gate still goes on another day.
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Hemp Invader
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:59:00 -
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they need more than 2 days to think about the problem.
they are ****ing the planet market now.
THANK YOU CCP for beeing ***king awesome. irony off :D
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Adora Femella
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hemp Invader
they need more than 2 days to think about the problem.
they are ****ing the planet market now.
THANK YOU CCP for beeing ***king awesome. irony off :D
You are overreacting. It isn't like PI is just a production chain where the only reason to do it is for the profit. You can still enjoy all the other gameplay aspects and fun PI has to offe... Oh wait.
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Zila Freight
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:10:00 -
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Whats the Problem realy ?? If your a desent market man. you know this is the best deal since Ferogel. and you was going to do the same. so stop all your whining see the Moon prices today ?? the market still lives aswell will PI guys stop the whining and go spend your isks jump on the train insted.
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Uppsy Daisy
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Uppsy Daisy on 28/05/2010 12:11:34
Don't worry everyone!
I'm sure CCP will fix it. They must be throwing people at it!
Oh.
No.
Wait.
They're fixing our portraits first...
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Azure Moonlight
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Uppsy Daisy
Edited by: Uppsy Daisy on 28/05/2010 12:11:34
Don't worry everyone!
I'm sure CCP will fix it. They must be throwing people at it!
Oh.
No.
Wait.
They're fixing our portraits first...
Head ---> Wall
They can't be serious about all of that.
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Alexi Blue
Serra Technologies
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:20:00 -
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Maybe this is all a secret CCP plan to populate 0.0 with outposts.
You can build them for pretty cheap now. 
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Grozen
Caldari
Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:23:00 -
[195]
They are quite aware of this i'd say.We've seen numerous replys on petitions and now 1 in forum what is ccp thinking
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Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:23:00 -
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Well at least now we know CCP is somewhat aware of what is happening. Almost wet my pants... :D
Here the answer for another thread from me:
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Petition threads inluding /signed or + or +1 are not permitted as per the forum rules.
Since there is a thread discussing this subject already, please use this for discussion purposes.
Locked.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:25:00 -
[197]
wtb: blue bars already
sweet zombie jesus
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
NailorTech Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: TheLordofAllandNothing on 28/05/2010 12:29:07
Jesus tit.ty fuc.king christ ccp, nice job 
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:29:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Alexi Blue
Maybe this is all a secret CCP plan to populate 0.0 with outposts.
You can build them for pretty cheap now.
Don't tell CVA that.
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Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:29:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Arajus
I wonder why CCP does not see that is not a tiny bug, but a problem which will hugely effect the economy of the game (which would maybe not a problem perse) and make PI more or less completely useless (which is the big issue).
Just made me think... Maybe CCP wants to kill PI, because they figured PI is absolutely boring and stupid (even more than mining if you ask me) as it is right now. So they just plan on killing the feature early on, while still being able to tell everyone about the uber Tyrannis PI feature, that is so innovative and cool...
Eh yeah well...
Guess I'm in no mood to go on with that...
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:34:00 -
[201]
Hahaha dowtime is gone and CCP does nothing.
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Memorya
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:38:00 -
[202]
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Hahaha dowtime is gone and CCP does nothing.
Ehm... it's CCP 
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:40:00 -
[203]
can I get a ccp re-re-reeeeewind!
im at work, i dont have time to log on and exploit this and im missing out!
i know eves not fair, but not like this, NOT LIKE THIS!!!!
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RawringDragon
Eternal Dragons
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:49:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Kendon riddick
can I get a ccp re-re-reeeeewind!
im at work, i dont have time to log on and exploit this and im missing out!
i know eves not fair, but not like this, NOT LIKE THIS!!!!
I've been AT work for the past 8 hours and plodding away perfectly fine
Protip: Remote desktop, port 443, SSH tunnels
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Amicus Morte
Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:49:00 -
[205]
*Stealth bump*
More doom and gloom :
Katla Volcano: Threat Of New, Larger Icelandic Eruption Looms
The apocalypse is now !
Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenFt built for this!
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:51:00 -
[206]
A good way for them to fix this is to simply make this ninja change during the DT for PI stuff deployment:
Multiply the numbers of mats required to manufacture using PI items by 3 orders of magnitude, increase production/extraction rates accordingly and reduce volume of items to match. 1 item becomes 1000, volume of 1 unit is divided by 1000.
Result: Everyone who exploited this for material gain is SOL and the problem is solved.
Only downside is database will have to handle extra zeros.
PS: De-spawn all the outposts installed after patch day, and delete all the running build orders of the items affected.
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Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:54:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Neo Gabriel
A good way for them to fix this is to simply make this ninja change during the DT for PI stuff deployment:
Multiply the numbers of mats required to manufacture using PI items by 3 orders of magnitude, increase production/extraction rates accordingly and reduce volume of items to match. 1 item becomes 1000, volume of 1 unit is divided by 1000.
Result: Everyone who exploited this for material gain is SOL and the problem is solved.
Only downside is database will have to handle extra zeros.
PS: De-spawn all the outposts installed after patch day, and delete all the running build orders of the items affected.
So in order to make the customers bleed for what they messed up and are to lazy to fix NOW while they still can?
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:57:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Neo Gabriel
A good way for them to fix this is to simply make this ninja change during the DT for PI stuff deployment:
Multiply the numbers of mats required to manufacture using PI items by 3 orders of magnitude, increase production/extraction rates accordingly and reduce volume of items to match. 1 item becomes 1000, volume of 1 unit is divided by 1000.
Result: Everyone who exploited this for material gain is SOL and the problem is solved.
Only downside is database will have to handle extra zeros.
PS: De-spawn all the outposts installed after patch day, and delete all the running build orders of the items affected.
and you also screw over innocent people who bought the products on the market early for production usage and trading, which is pretty punitive ("Hi, you bought products which are now worth .1% of what they used to be. Sucks to be you! hahaha.")
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:57:00 -
[209]
This cannot be fixed anymore. They just gave away dozens of outposts and hundreds of POSes.
This cannot end w/o tears.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.05.28 13:01:00 -
[210]
It was a trick!
CCP just created the biggest ISK sink in EVE history!
They will just
!!! DELETE EVERYTHING !!!
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