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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.27 05:40:00 -
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Second system in a row! To all the Pervs, you'll have dt back in your favour soon, so don't worry too much :)
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:03:00 -
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It is funny to see how YOU post about capturing systems by using bugs.
This system capture is done by exploiting the fact that ccp had to hot fix.
Current Gallente/caldari FW is not fighting about systems is about who uses most bugs.
That is not the FW we like to play, i am tired to see that same faces uses all fw bugs every day, no matter how many petitions or bug reports you make ccp does nothing, no fixes no bans.
There is no fight.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 27/05/2010 11:16:39
Originally by: Bad Messenger This system capture is done by exploiting the fact that ccp had to hot fix.
You mean, like you've been "exploiting" the servers coming up in your time zone while almost no-one else is playing practically EVERY SINGLE DAY for the last year? The "exploit" (I prefer bug, officially it is a "non-optimal" implementation according to CCP) that the Gallente have been complaining about for a year now?
All we had were DT's during our time zone that allowed for us to actually run plexes before they got stuck respawning into never-never land.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 27/05/2010 11:27:45
Originally by: chatgris The "exploit" (I prefer bug, officially it is a "non-optimal" implementation according to CCP) that the Gallente have been complaining about for a year now?
1: Admitted bugging of timers to run down itself (Aesis Tori, entire Black Onyx Society corporation, many others). Done by yourself in Jovainnon as you well know.
2: Turning npcs to fire on friendly militia (Amon Dei, Val Erian, others). Repeatedly done, best remembered for Nennamaila incident.
3: Using a fast ship to cause "ghost time" to appear on plex timer, forcing whoever is on plex to sit random amount of extra minutes (worst being over an hour in Esesier plex, triggered by Val Erian) inside a plex, giving other side unreasonable advantage to rally up more people.
4: Continuous denial of acknowleding such things are done and no knowledge of their function despite Val Erian, Ankh and others outlining the exploits and how they work in your militia chat and people boasting in local about their use.
Ankh we even petitioned and supplied militia logs to CCP. Despite this blatant offense, no action taken.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Messenger on 27/05/2010 11:36:30 It seems that you are not quite familiar with plexing, still you are talking about it like you knew something.
Situation in Old Man Star capture after 2 reboots differs from normal dt spawning and after dt plexing.
After DT spawns plexes and we normally take those, but it does not prevent gallente to do defencive plexing on other time zones. There has been days when there has been 0 plexes in contested gallente systems after DT. So post dt plexing is not enough to flip systems.
Old Man Star is originally gallente system and those are much more easier to capture back than take those.
In essence caldari controlled systems tend to have about 10 plex every day after dt for gallente to capture. When there is 2 or more DT on row, enemy has no time to use those other defencive plexing methods. So Gallente controlled OMS for couple hours and got system.
I was on couple hours after original patch deployment, we defended ladistier etc... but Old Man Star was uncontested when i went to sleep, after couple hours of sleep i wake up and see that heydelies and old man Star are under gallente control.
OMS capture has to be fastest system capture ever.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 27/05/2010 11:44:20
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
1: Admitted bugging of timers to run down itself (Aesis Tori, entire Black Onyx Society corporation, many others). Done by yourself in Jovainnon as you well know.
2: Turning npcs to fire on friendly militia (Amon Dei, Val Erian, others). Repeatedly done, best remembered for Nennamaila incident.
3: Using a fast ship to cause "ghost time" to appear on plex timer, forcing whoever is on plex to sit random amount of extra minutes (worst being over an hour in Esesier plex, triggered by Val Erian) inside a plex, giving other side unreasonable advantage to rally up more people.
4: Continuous denial of acknowleding such things are done and no knowledge of their function despite Val Erian, Ankh and others outlining the exploits and how they work in your militia chat and people boasting in local about their use.
Ankh we even petitioned and supplied militia logs to CCP. Despite this blatant offense, no action taken.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Sigh - I've already answered all these allegations until I was blue in the face, but to summarize, yet again
1) They're not me, nor my corp, nor even in the MDP, I don't know them well, and you'll forgive me for not trusting you given the mass of smack talk you carry out on a regular basis. I do know many people that "admit" things to you for the local rage though. Jovainnon - if your great spies that tell you things had been there, they would have heard me having to bail since I couldn't take the rats anymore, and asking another plexing member in an ishkur to go and take over.
2) Ammon Dei - We didn't know at the time, and now that we know how it's done, we take pains not to trigger it whenever we are plexing. I personally took great care not to trigger it even as you were in the plex smack talking me about it.
3) ? No knowledge of said mechanic, if you'd care to explain it to me, I'll try to avoid triggering it if I have been inadvertently. If it involves great speed well, I pretty much stick to AB frigs so I doubt I'm triggering that bug.
4) Like number 3 - if you know this great knowledge, please share. Look at it this way - If I truly don't know and I'm asking you to tell me so I can avoid it, maybe I can actually avoid triggering a bug!
Worst case scenario: I do know and I'm lieing to you, in which case - YOU'VE LOST NOTHING BY TELLING ME. You've got nothing to lose, and stand to gain opposition that don't have the plexing knowledge you do know how to avoid triggering plex bugs.
Or, you know, you could just keep smack talking continuously - copy pasting random lines into local on your alts when you hear the locking sound on your computer.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger After DT spawns plexes and we normally take those, but it does not prevent gallente to do defencive plexing on other time zones.
Yes, it does. See CCP Greyscale's post on the matter.
Simply put, as you capture plexes, they randomly respawn somewhere in in gal/cal fw space. If a plex with caldari rats ends up respawning in a gallente controlled system - it gets stuck until the next downtime, effectively removing a plex from circulation. The more plexes that are run, statistically the less plexes we can find to run.
So yes, heavy after dt plexing not only nets you more plexes to run, but prevents gallente from plexing in other timezones.
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:54:00 -
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Blah blah blah etc bullcrap. Luckily, I voted the one and only CSM candidate who will prolly *try* to fix some things. Of course, knowing how terrible she is, she'll most likely **** things up for everyone and make fw even more terrible. gl. -b |
Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Bad Messenger After DT spawns plexes and we normally take those, but it does not prevent gallente to do defencive plexing on other time zones.
Yes, it does. See CCP Greyscale's post on the matter.
Simply put, as you capture plexes, they randomly respawn somewhere in in gal/cal fw space. If a plex with caldari rats ends up respawning in a gallente controlled system - it gets stuck until the next downtime, effectively removing a plex from circulation. The more plexes that are run, statistically the less plexes we can find to run.
So yes, heavy after dt plexing not only nets you more plexes to run, but prevents gallente from plexing in other timezones.
There is still possibility that those spawns to contested gallente systems, and those do spawn.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Unfamed II Blah blah blah etc bullcrap. Luckily, I voted the one and only CSM candidate who will prolly *try* to fix some things. Of course, knowing how terrible she is, she'll most likely **** things up for everyone and make fw even more terrible. gl.
Wait. This day is getting crazier by the minute. First, DT spawns in our timezone. Secondly, a PERV statement on withdrawing from FW. Finally - a PERV admitting that they voted for Ankh!?
This can't be real... I must be dreaming!
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Unfamed II Blah blah blah etc bullcrap. Luckily, I voted the one and only CSM candidate who will prolly *try* to fix some things. Of course, knowing how terrible she is, she'll most likely **** things up for everyone and make fw even more terrible. gl.
Wait. This day is getting crazier by the minute. First, DT spawns in our timezone. Secondly, a PERV statement on withdrawing from FW. Finally - a PERV admitting that they voted for Ankh!?
This can't be real... I must be dreaming!
Just try and imagine a better way to screw all of fw players. Let me know if you figure out one. -b |
Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 27/05/2010 12:05:45
Originally by: chatgris Wait. This day is getting crazier by the minute. First, DT spawns in our timezone. Secondly, a PERV statement on withdrawing from FW. Finally - a PERV admitting that they voted for Ankh!?
This can't be real... I must be dreaming!
Would it make you wonder if OMS occupancy tab says it's Caldari owned while map says gallente owned? Because that's what's going on right now.
Also, 0 plexes in OMS now. So looks like the plex spawning is really equal to all, eh...
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
P.S: My deep safes still function. Tyrannis works and all...
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion Would it make you wonder if OMS occupancy tab says it's Caldari owned while map says gallente owned? Because that's what's going on right now.
Same thing happenned to Heyd after the servers came up a while ago. Seemed to correct itself a few hours later.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Unfamed II Blah blah blah etc bullcrap. Luckily, I voted the one and only CSM candidate who will prolly *try* to fix some things. Of course, knowing how terrible she is, she'll most likely **** things up for everyone and make fw even more terrible. gl.
Thanks for the support. In fact this was the first issue I put up after the election. Anyone still having interest in contributing despite the years of neglect from CCP is very welcome to do so.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.27 13:27:00 -
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Proposal: Server should crash during USTZ primetime.
thumbs up!
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Greg6
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Posted - 2010.05.27 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion ...
1: Admitted bugging of timers to run down itself (Aesis Tori, entire Black Onyx Society corporation, many others). Done by yourself in Jovainnon as you well know.
2: Turning npcs to fire on friendly militia (Amon Dei, Val Erian, others). Repeatedly done, best remembered for Nennamaila incident.
3: Using a fast ship to cause "ghost time" to appear on plex timer, forcing whoever is on plex to sit random amount of extra minutes (worst being over an hour in Esesier plex, triggered by Val Erian) inside a plex, giving other side unreasonable advantage to rally up more people.
4: Continuous denial of acknowleding such things are done and no knowledge of their function despite Val Erian, Ankh and others outlining the exploits and how they work in your militia chat and people boasting in local about their use.
Ankh we even petitioned and supplied militia logs to CCP. Despite this blatant offense, no action taken.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Heh. #1 and #3 are the same thing, and when a timer is bugged and the plex doesn't close we don't credit for it either, Damar. The distance thing happened accidentally the one time I've seen it go off and it's never been used again. And, in sum, they are all just a way of saying your butt hurts because the exploit you've been using for over a year finally came around our way. Whoot! What a great day. :)
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Mithril Ryder
Genstar Inc
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Posted - 2010.05.27 18:12:00 -
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I'd also like to note that #2 has a great chance of LOL backfiring *if* one were to try it, it happens in normal, and FW missions too if people are not paying attention. Back in my highsec carebear days I managed to burn WAY too far off with my mission domi, lost aggro, lost my drones (then a painfully expensive thing to lose 5 t2 mediums) then my corpmates at the time get aggro, one pops, the other gets out, I was at the time accused of warping out without saying anything . So yes, getting distance on rats will cause agro shift. The agro shift is not entirely predictable, and if it switches to what should be an invalid target that is a bug. However, when someone is already in a plex, and they know they can't handle whats in there, often they will simple burn away from the warp in, perhaps hoping that the person will leave (i've seen your alts, and Cal Mil do this numerous times). That is to be expected, I wouldn't expect someone to sit and wait for death.
Anyways, for as much as you talk about it you must get a hardon every time you mention "exploits".
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GoingOffRoading
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.27 19:37:00 -
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This is stupid....
Server comes up after downtime with a pile of plexes in every system because the servers reset. We capture those plexes (just li9ke you guys would) and flip two systems.
Pervs rage quit
Damar talks trash
Damar's Alt says something nice
I'm not sure about that last one but it seems like business as usual
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Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.28 00:30:00 -
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Haha! Wow...just wow...
[Motley Crue]Don't go away mad, just go away...[/Motley Crue] |
Tekitha
Gallente Bi-Polar Bears
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Posted - 2010.05.28 01:08:00 -
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caldari take some systems, gallente take some systems, every1 whines about non existant exploits (mainly pervs) I mean seriously, who the hell gives a ****?
Now get out there and have a f***ing fight
comon lets be 'avin ya ... YARRR!!! Don't believe the hype! |
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Aiden Vorlan
Caldari Draconian Armada
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Posted - 2010.05.28 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris Second system in a row! To all the Pervs, you'll have dt back in your favour soon, so don't worry too much :)
27 May 2010 @ 2257 EST - Old Man Star
Occupancy: Caldari State Sovereignty: Gallente Federation
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.05.28 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Look how awesome I am.
I asked you Ankh many times why you hate EVE so much, but you never answered to me - but I read about your previous work and voted you with all my accounts just so I could frack up EVE even more
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.28 07:50:00 -
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Its very rewarding reading all the PERV tears.
Bonus reward is that they all seem to have voted for Ankh, which is the person they hated the most in EVE, and they tell themselves that it is to make us suffer.
So they helped put their arch enemy in power (because she was the one would fight for FW obviously), and now that they rage quit because of a chance event, they are trying to make themselves feel good that it was to destroy their play box.
Oh the irony.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Messenger on 28/05/2010 08:02:27
Originally by: Neo Gabriel Its very rewarding reading all the PERV tears.
Bonus reward is that they all seem to have voted for Ankh, which is the person they hated the most in EVE, and they tell themselves that it is to make us suffer.
So they helped put their arch enemy in power (because she was the one would fight for FW obviously), and now that they rage quit because of a chance event, they are trying to make themselves feel good that it was to destroy their play box.
Oh the irony.
Exactly, i did not vote for ankh because he used standing bug, but all others did, because ankh fly stabbed and cloaked frigs and still she was better alone than rest of the gallente militia what comes to plexing.
You sure took all advices from ankh, how to bug plexes etc. It is Fine to notice that qcats has most plexing points/day when there was good opportunity to bug systems back when ccp had to emergency boot and fix other bugs.
Bug exploiters in finest
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:09:00 -
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Hehe, no offence guys but it sure feels good not having to care about all this any more :P
(That being said I do respect many of the posters ITT on both sides, keep on keeping on I guess) ----------------------------------------------- www.eve-arena.com
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 28/05/2010 08:25:21
Originally by: Bad Messenger You sure took all advices from ankh, how to bug plexes etc. It is Fine to notice that qcats has most plexing points/day when there was good opportunity to bug systems back when ccp had to emergency boot and fix other bugs.
Bug exploiters in finest
Just thought I'd like to summarize your viewpoints here:
- We took advice from ankh on how to bug plexes? (Really? I'd love to know a way to get after DT spawns during the US TZ normally. Would even the field) - Apparently, we now "bug systems" (cause bugging plexes is so 2009) by plexing after downtime - The above is only an exploit when the downtime is not during finnish prime time
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 28/05/2010 08:42:13
Originally by: Bad Messenger You sure took all advices from ankh, how to bug plexes etc. It is Fine to notice that qcats has most plexing points/day when there was good opportunity to bug systems back when ccp had to emergency boot and fix other bugs.
Bug exploiters in finest
Just thought I'd like to summarize your viewpoints here:
- We took advice from ankh on how to bug plexes? (Really? I'd love to know a way to get after DT spawns during the US TZ normally. Would even the field) - Apparently, we now "bug systems" (cause bugging plexes is so 2009) by plexing after downtime - The above is only an exploit when the downtime is not during finnish prime time
I have to say, this is new for you. Normally, you complain about other people "exploiting", and then you go do it yourself on an industrial level (re: ankh's standings bug, then off to minmatar space you go!). But now, you're calling something an exploit when someone else does it AFTER you've been doing it yourself for a year.
Bravo!
Sorry but standing bug is not an exploit. Still i do not approve it, but yes we used it in minmatar to show how efficient it is and why it should be fixed.
I am almost sure that taking system in couple hours just because server had some problems and had to reboot twice is exploit. There is clearly used something that is not working as intended. I hope that ccp will think about it and give clear statement is it approved to use such exploit.
DT spawns yea right, only reason why you could flip those systems were that those are originally gallente systems and at least 5 times easier to capture than gallente systems with gallente occupancy. If you think that dt plexing is so yber method, can you tell why we have not taken any systems lately? Your arguments lack lot of knowledge about plexing mechanics. All you know is how to exploit, and you say it is right to exploit because there is dt plexing.
Qcat sure knows how to keep their exploiting on top.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.28 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger I am almost sure that taking system in couple hours just because server had some problems and had to reboot twice is exploit.
AFAIK, there was only one reboot - the first one was a normal DT. Which shows how broken the DT advantage is.
Originally by: Bad Messenger
DT spawns yea right, only reason why you could flip those systems were that those are originally gallente systems and at least 5 times easier to capture than gallente systems with gallente occupancy.
But, DT allowed us to actually do it! Again, my original point: we actually got to plex after downtime! To the best of my knowledge, we still need 25-30 net plexes in our favour to do what we did.
I've never tried to say I was a master of plexing mechanics. I've just seen the difference in the number of plexes the few times I'm up after downtime, compared to during my usual playtime, and read CCP greyscales post on the matter and applied some simple stats to the matter to come up with my current opinion.
Originally by: Bad Messenger
If you think that dt plexing is so yber method, can you tell why we have not taken any systems lately? Your arguments lack lot of knowledge about plexing mechanics. All you know is how to exploit, and you say it is right to exploit because there is dt plexing.
I dunno, maybe cause it's all part of your "original plan"?. Maybe you're getting burned out on plexing? (I mean, damar isn't even watching his alts anymore - he only reacts when he hears the locking noise).
All that changed between any normal day and patch is *gasp* we had two downtimes during our time zone. It's nice to see what we can do when we get to plex after downtime. You consider running plexes after downtime an exploit? I'd LOVE to see you petition that. If you succeed well... Who'll get banned, those who did it once, or those who've done it pretty much every single day?
We got a chance to show what we could do when we got a downtime spawn during our TZ - and we took it. The mechanics are back on your side, and from the sounds of it, you'll be back in business soon after rejoining amarr fw (which according to these forums gives you less gallente spawns? I have no first hand knowledge). Why you're *****ing about it on the forum instead of flipping OMS back is beyond my comprehension (oh wait - I do know! It's cause DT hasn't happenned yet so you might as well forum warrioring until it happens).
Your entire argument has been - you ran DT spawns, therefore you exploited, which is hilarious for obvious reasons.
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.05.28 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Gabriel Its very rewarding reading all the PERV tears.
Bonus reward is that they all seem to have voted for Ankh, which is the person they hated the most in EVE, and they tell themselves that it is to make us suffer.
So they helped put their arch enemy in power (because she was the one would fight for FW obviously), and now that they rage quit because of a chance event, they are trying to make themselves feel good that it was to destroy their play box.
Oh the irony.
You should know better than that, really. In all seriousness, I do hope that Ankh manages to annoy ccp/csm enough to get some bugfixing done. Protip: Submitting *proper* bugreports actually works. Peace bro. -b |
Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.05.28 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Bad Messenger I am almost sure that taking system in couple hours just because server had some problems and had to reboot twice is exploit.
AFAIK, there was only one reboot - the first one was a normal DT. Which shows how broken the DT advantage is.
Originally by: Bad Messenger
DT spawns yea right, only reason why you could flip those systems were that those are originally gallente systems and at least 5 times easier to capture than gallente systems with gallente occupancy.
But, DT allowed us to actually do it! Again, my original point: we actually got to plex after downtime! To the best of my knowledge, we still need 25-30 net plexes in our favour to do what we did.
I've never tried to say I was a master of plexing mechanics. I've just seen the difference in the number of plexes the few times I'm up after downtime, compared to during my usual playtime, and read CCP greyscales post on the matter and applied some simple stats to the matter to come up with my current opinion.
Originally by: Bad Messenger
If you think that dt plexing is so yber method, can you tell why we have not taken any systems lately? Your arguments lack lot of knowledge about plexing mechanics. All you know is how to exploit, and you say it is right to exploit because there is dt plexing.
I dunno, maybe cause it's all part of your "original plan"?. Maybe you're getting burned out on plexing? (I mean, damar isn't even watching his alts anymore - he only reacts when he hears the locking noise).
All that changed between any normal day and patch is *gasp* we had two downtimes during our time zone. It's nice to see what we can do when we get to plex after downtime. You consider running plexes after downtime an exploit? I'd LOVE to see you petition that. If you succeed well... Who'll get banned, those who did it once, or those who've done it pretty much every single day?
We got a chance to show what we could do when we got a downtime spawn during our TZ - and we took it. The mechanics are back on your side, and from the sounds of it, you'll be back in business soon after rejoining amarr fw (which according to these forums gives you less gallente spawns? I have no first hand knowledge). Why you're *****ing about it on the forum instead of flipping OMS back is beyond my comprehension (oh wait - I do know! It's cause DT hasn't happenned yet so you might as well forum warrioring until it happens).
Your entire argument has been - you ran DT spawns, therefore you exploited, which is hilarious for obvious reasons.
There is lot of thingh that differ from normal dt:
1. downloading patch was time so close to server opening that all those who have slow internet could not load it before server started
2. server restart because emergency reboots
main reason why you got those systems was that you wanted to bug those, you did not want to fight just to bug.
no matter how you repeat about normal dt plexing it is different thing.
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