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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.05.27 09:47:00 -
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I've monitored the forums for the past year while farming L5 missions in highsec. I just loved how very few people broke the silence and kept convincing other players, with interest in starting L5 missions, that they didn't pay well, were too difficult to run, L4¦s were better and the high-sec missions were only a myth
Now, sadly, that the probability of getting L5 missions in High sec is extremely low and I can finally break the silence and tell the truth... it was fun while it lasted :) For those of us who enjoyed it, this is a summary af good times. For those who missed the action, let the cries begin.
Running L5 missions in High sec was giving on average over 100M/hour and up to well over 200M/hour (on a 2000ISK/LP ratio basis) and were extremely easily soloable on two accounts. Pirate missions gave a crap-load of 1.2M bounty battleships with plenty of loot. Faction missions gave about 30-40M in tags, still plenty of loot, the salvage was great and sometimes a 100M implant was dropped. Drone missions gave so much in reprocessed minerals that it made even hulk/orca mining fleets look pathetic. L5 missions increased faction and corp standings exponentially faster than L4s and the L5 special missions gave +5 implants.
Anyone claiming any of the above is incorrect was either not doing it right or doing it for a crappy faction. Now the good news You can still do those wonderful missions... only in low sec. If done right, it is similar to going into C5-C6 WH considering all the pirates that will be chasing you only you have local and don't have to worry about getting back home. With a proper gang setup, not overdoing it, 3-4 peoples should do, you can easily run L5 missions in low sec. I would also expect the value of LP¦s to rise after this, since L5¦s give 10x more LP (3x per pilot).
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PokinoCupra
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Posted - 2010.05.27 10:01:00 -
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stay in low sec during DT, park where L5 agent is, and connect right after DT, so there is still nice chance to get that in highsec.
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Stovo kor
Firebird Squadron
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Posted - 2010.05.27 10:38:00 -
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You can solo Level V on 1 account. Certain factions with ease Our guys did it occasionally in High sec. ( high sec is not breaking news by the way )
Ironically we had a convo on this topic 2 hours ago on TS. There was trepidation in the beginning but it quickly underwhelmed them : 3 guys --> 2 guys ---> solo ( ship x ) ----> WTF so easy to solo ( ship Y ) -----> got bored of level V -----> Stays in WH now
There was a series of nice videos on level V like 1 - 2 years ago by some dude with bad english ? Only those that can't use search engines / those that probably can't do level V anyways would probably have missed out.
There would be some interesting similarities in running level V in LS and Class V. Be interesting to note which one is easier to get ganked You tank specific damage for level V missions though. There are no similar gimics for Class V sleepers. They will web you to hell, destroy your drones and deal omni damage. Attempting to solo C5 wormholes / run in small groups usually make certain people very happy. ( just not who you might think ) Pretty sure anyone running C5 sleeper sites doesn't worry about getting back home. They would be acutely aware of status of their static
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.05.27 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: beautyispain Finally I can break the silence about L5 high sec missions :)
What silence are you breaking exactly? People have been talking about L5s in high sec for ages.
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.05.27 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: beautyispain Finally I can break the silence about L5 high sec missions :)
What silence are you breaking exactly? People have been talking about L5s in high sec for ages.
The silence about the profitability mostly :) most posts about L5¦s, by far claim that L4¦s are better etc. etc.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: beautyispain
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: beautyispain Finally I can break the silence about L5 high sec missions :)
What silence are you breaking exactly? People have been talking about L5s in high sec for ages.
The silence about the profitability mostly :) most posts about L5¦s, by far claim that L4¦s are better etc. etc.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: beautyispain ... were extremely easily soloable on two accounts.
Two accounts isn't solo. It's dualboxing. Which is not the same thing.
Quote: L5 missions increased faction and corp standings exponentially faster than L4s...
They most certainly did not, not even back when MftWP gave 10% faction. How much dos it give these days?
L4's is without any doubt the fastest standing grind in the game, if you know what you're doing.
Quote: L5 special missions gave +5 implants.
Only MftWP did that, but it's not the only storyline. I once did 4 in a row of that bugged PoS storyline with the three destroyable fighter bays. Mote in the eye I think it was called. Have they fixed it yet?
Quote: Anyone claiming any of the above is incorrect was either not doing it right or doing it for a crappy faction.
Sounds to me you're the noob when it comes to L5's, as well as grinding for standing.
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.05.27 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: beautyispain on 27/05/2010 13:06:31
Originally by: Qui Shon They most certainly did not, not even back when MftWP gave 10% faction. How much dos it give these days? L4's is without any doubt the fastest standing grind in the game, if you know what you're doing.
They most certainly did too.
Originally by: Qui Shon Only MftWP did that, but it's not the only storyline. I once did 4 in a row of that bugged PoS storyline with the three destroyable fighter bays. Mote in the eye I think it was called. Have they fixed it yet?
Every single storyline L5 mission I completed gave a +5 implant.
Originally by: Qui Shon Sounds to me you're the noob when it comes to L5's, as well as grinding for standing.
Sounds to me you're a troll and definitely been doing it wrong. I've been running L5's for over a year now, dual boxing is soloing as far as I am concerned since you are solo running them, dualboxing is not equal to two seperate persons running it together. Dualboxing L5's is far more efficient than doing it in L4's and although L5¦s are soloable, dulaboxing will yield a better isk/hour/pilots and exceed L4¦s by far
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Derelicht
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Posted - 2010.05.27 13:27:00 -
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I have to agree with beautyispain, solo, to me, is me sitting at the keyboard, not requiring anyone else's help. Be that with 1 account or 5. I'm doing that mission solo. My char is solely getting the LP, and standings increase.
It's semantics, but that's my interpretation of the word.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.05.27 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: beautyispain Edited by: beautyispain on 27/05/2010 13:06:31
Originally by: Qui Shon They most certainly did not, not even back when MftWP gave 10% faction. How much dos it give these days? L4's is without any doubt the fastest standing grind in the game, if you know what you're doing.
They most certainly did too.
Originally by: Qui Shon Only MftWP did that, but it's not the only storyline. I once did 4 in a row of that bugged PoS storyline with the three destroyable fighter bays. Mote in the eye I think it was called. Have they fixed it yet?
Every single storyline L5 mission I completed gave a +5 implant.
Originally by: Qui Shon Sounds to me you're the noob when it comes to L5's, as well as grinding for standing.
Sounds to me you're a troll and definitely been doing it wrong. I've been running L5's for over a year now, dual boxing is soloing as far as I am concerned since you are solo running them, dualboxing is not equal to two seperate persons running it together. Dualboxing L5's is far more efficient than doing it in L4's and although L5¦s are soloable, dulaboxing will yield a better isk/hour/pilots and exceed L4¦s by far
If you are using two accounts, you should be instead claiming that L5s generated as much as 50-100MIL/hr, not 100-200MIL/hr.
Basic algebra.
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Casmy Blue
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Posted - 2010.05.27 13:37:00 -
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All this really looks like to me is some random coming to the forums making sensational claims that aren't based in reality to rile people up.
I can say I was making 200m/hour and that I "just didn't tell anyone because I wanted to keep my secret!" to score attention points to myself, too.
But we all know it'd pretty much be BS. And by the way, I've never seen a post on these forums claiming that L4s were more profitable than L5s for those who could run them except by people that everyone knew didn't have a clue what they were talking about.
So it pretty much looks like your sekret smrt ISK printer is 1.) still possible, but not with the inflated numbers you're throwing out for attention and 2.) something most people who could run L5s already knew about.
So GTFO.
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.05.27 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mendolus If you are using two accounts, you should be instead claiming that L5s generated as much as 50-100MIL/hr, not 100-200MIL/hr.
Basic algebra.
Right you are but I didn't claim it was 100-200M/hr/pilot, as you say it is 50-100M/hr/pilot but 100-200M/[hrs spent by me]
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Deranged Loony
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Posted - 2010.05.27 13:39:00 -
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Should have kept ya silence cause you know jack sh.it and that IS the truth
OOOOOOh look 4 toons with 2 lvl5 agents access near hi-sec got at least one hi-sec mission each so much for ya 'probability of getting them in hi-sec being EXTREMELY low'
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.05.27 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Deranged Loony Should have kept ya silence cause you know jack sh.it and that IS the truth
OOOOOOh look 4 toons with 2 lvl5 agents access near hi-sec got at least one hi-sec mission each so much for ya 'probability of getting them in hi-sec being EXTREMELY low'
o O god damn it I thought this was hardcoded(behind the lousy excuse in the patch nodes) not to give high secs
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Vitamin B12
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Posted - 2010.05.27 14:05:00 -
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well i guess in your opinion minerals are free an that the reason why you are selling veldspar for 0.1 isk per unit. seriously. please take in count flying around. go to your agent. try to catch a level 5 in highsec. move the loot. and so on.
looks like your uber secret isnt that uber because i can still do 62 mill/hour with level4 missions WITH JUST ONE ACCOUNT AND ONE CHARACTER.
i guess if you used one account for trading and the other for level4's you would have more isk on your wallet now.
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.05.27 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: beautyispain on 27/05/2010 14:10:08
Originally by: Vitamin B12 Edited by: Vitamin B12 on 27/05/2010 14:08:41 well i guess in your opinion minerals are free an that the reason why you are selling veldspar for 0.1 isk per unit. seriously. please take in count flying around. go to your agent. try to catch a level 5 in highsec. move the loot. and so on.
looks like your uber secret isnt that uber because i can still do 62 mill/hour with level4 missions WITH JUST ONE ACCOUNT AND ONE CHARACTER.
i guess if you used one account for trading and the other for level4's you would have more isk on your wallet now.
You are absolutely right, in light of above statements, my first post can be considered fictional nonsense :)
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.05.27 14:15:00 -
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Hmm,
1. Ask your corpies (or use your own alt accounts) to boost numbers in the low sec system (and the low sec systems next door if any) where your agents resides.
2. If the close by highsec system is empty or has lower numbers in local, request your missions.
3. ???
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Contralto
GCHQ
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Posted - 2010.05.27 15:51:00 -
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I agree with Beautispain, I ran Hi sec lvl V's with 3 accounts for around 6 months, my wallet was around 25 Bill at the end, I ran around 15 missions per week on average,
Missions took between 45 and 90 minutes including looting and salvaging.I was getting 83k Lp's for each mission. I built over 50 fighters with part of the refined loot and sold the rest.
As for defining "Solo" I can assure you that 25 Bill was in my wallet and not shared, cant get more solo than that.
I also followed the forum threads claiming Lvl 4's were more profitable. I ran lvl 4's for over 3 years before switching to V's, there is no comparison.
It was a "gravy train" while it lasted, Time to find another income source I guess. It is possible to run an Unprobeable team in lo sec, but Dps will be lacking making the missions tedious.
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.05.27 15:59:00 -
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Well, it's actually good to hear that they got far less common in high sec. The main source of income from lvl5's is of course the LP's. With that massive LP faucet in high sec largely removed (allegedly) my LP's should be worth far more. I run the things in low sec (carrier FTW) so this is very much a win for me if true.
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Hyey
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Posted - 2010.05.27 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: beautyispain
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: beautyispain Finally I can break the silence about L5 high sec missions :)
What silence are you breaking exactly? People have been talking about L5s in high sec for ages.
The silence about the profitability mostly :) most posts about L5¦s, by far claim that L4¦s are better etc. etc.
These are probably by the same people that said L4's are better than 0.0 anoms/plexing.
All of which is incorrect. ~~ Hyey
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Contralto
GCHQ
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Posted - 2010.05.27 16:21:00 -
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Hmm! I just hopped over to my Lvl V agent and Ist mission was in hi sec. Only caveat is I am in a very remote region where there are few stations and almost no pilots even in Hi sec. Prior to the patch I expected no more than 1 in 5 in hi sec so This population thing may actually mean more hi sec missions for me :)
This agent gives me 87k Lp's.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.05.27 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Contralto Hmm! I just hopped over to my Lvl V agent and Ist mission was in hi sec. Only caveat is I am in a very remote region where there are few stations and almost no pilots even in Hi sec. Prior to the patch I expected no more than 1 in 5 in hi sec so This population thing may actually mean more hi sec missions for me :)
This agent gives me 87k Lp's.
Where is it? Do tell.
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FlameGlow
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.27 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: FlameGlow on 27/05/2010 20:20:24
Originally by: beautyispain
Originally by: Mendolus If you are using two accounts, you should be instead claiming that L5s generated as much as 50-100MIL/hr, not 100-200MIL/hr.
Basic algebra.
Right you are but I didn't claim it was 100-200M/hr/pilot, as you say it is 50-100M/hr/pilot but 100-200M/[hrs spent by me]
10 hulks+orca can also be ran by one person and make that much by mining veldspar in highsec, does this mean veldspar mining is more profitable then lvl 4s?
Originally by: Goose99
Originally by: Contralto Hmm! I just hopped over to my Lvl V agent and Ist mission was in hi sec. Only caveat is I am in a very remote region where there are few stations and almost no pilots even in Hi sec. Prior to the patch I expected no more than 1 in 5 in hi sec so This population thing may actually mean more hi sec missions for me :)
This agent gives me 87k Lp's.
Where is it? Do tell.
Probably some empty region like Aridia or Khanid, anyway there aren't that many lvl 5 agents in eve so you could figure it out
Originally by: CCP Manifest Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.27 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 27/05/2010 20:21:52
Originally by: beautyispain Running L5 missions in High sec was giving on average over 100M/hour and up to well over 200M/hour (on a 2000ISK/LP ratio basis) and were extremely easily soloable on two accounts.
So you made 50û100M/hà well, that's almost a little more than in highsec.
Now for the real question: is that 20% increase worth the bother?
Oh, and nothing of what you said is in any way shocking or new ù people have known this since roughly forever. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Contralto
GCHQ
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Posted - 2010.05.27 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Contralto on 27/05/2010 20:34:50
Originally by: Goose99
Originally by: Contralto Hmm! I just hopped over to my Lvl V agent and Ist mission was in hi sec. Only caveat is I am in a very remote region where there are few stations and almost no pilots even in Hi sec. Prior to the patch I expected no more than 1 in 5 in hi sec so This population thing may actually mean more hi sec missions for me :)
This agent gives me 87k Lp's.
Where is it? Do tell.
As the next poster says, It isn't hard to work out, Not a secret! Just look for deserted regions where Lo sec tends to be more populated than hi sec.
Getting your 8.6 standings with that faction/corp will be the hardest part. And the loneliness might get to you :)
And of course if lots of people flock there our beloved Devs will probably tighten the noose on us poor missioners, making all that effort wasted.
Yes we can earn 100 to 200 mill for an hours missioning, but it takes months of grinding to gain access and can be spirited away at the whim of those in charge with a simple patch!
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.05.27 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: beautyispain I've monitored the forums for the past year while farming L5 missions in highsec. I just loved how very few people broke the silence and kept convincing other players, with interest in starting L5 missions, that they didn't pay well, were too difficult to run, L4¦s were better and the high-sec missions were only a myth
Everyone and their mother knows how hisec l5 missions used to work.
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Running L5 missions in High sec was giving on average over 100M/hour and up to well over 200M/hour (on a 2000ISK/LP ratio basis) and were extremely easily soloable on two accounts.
I'm sorry. You'll have to break the silence here and let us in on your secret. How do you solo a l5 on two accounts? *blinks*
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Contralto
GCHQ
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Posted - 2010.05.27 22:13:00 -
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Solo as in one person, by himself, on his own, with no one else present!
If you are controlling more than one character you are still receiving all the income, that's "solo" enough for me, claiming Solo in this case isn't some kind of boast, it just means one person is involved.
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.05.28 01:06:00 -
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Quote: I'm sorry. You'll have to break the silence here and let us in on your secret. How do you solo a l5 on two accounts? *blinks*
1-2 monitors and 2 accounts but shhhh don't tell anyone
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.05.28 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: beautyispain on 28/05/2010 01:12:35
Originally by: Casmy Blue All this really looks like to me is some random coming to the forums making sensational claims that aren't based in reality to rile people up.
I can say I was making 200m/hour and that I "just didn't tell anyone because I wanted to keep my secret!" to score attention points to myself, too.
But we all know it'd pretty much be BS. And by the way, I've never seen a post on these forums claiming that L4s were more profitable than L5s for those who could run them except by people that everyone knew didn't have a clue what they were talking about.
So it pretty much looks like your sekret smrt ISK printer is 1.) still possible, but not with the inflated numbers you're throwing out for attention and 2.) something most people who could run L5s already knew about.
So GTFO.
The numbers are solid, many have done the same, the L5¦s are by far more profitable than L4¦s. Claiming my post was done for some need for attention is pretty outrageously stupid as this is a an inactive alt.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2010.05.28 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: beautyispain They most certainly did too.
Not. And if every single storyline you ever did gave a +5 you probably didn't do very many. But do tell, how much is MftWP worth for faction standing these days? Because it was dropping rather rapidly while I was doing them, so I'm curious to know.
Quote: Sounds to me you're a troll and definitely been doing it wrong. I've been running L5's for over a year now, dual boxing is soloing as far as I am concerned since you are solo running them, dualboxing is not equal to two seperate persons running it together. Dualboxing L5's is far more efficient than doing it in L4's and although L5¦s are soloable, dulaboxing will yield a better isk/hour/pilots and exceed L4¦s by far
I averaged between 240 and 260 m/h doing L5's after initial testing, including travel time, mission prep, looting etc, but not including selling, which if you're strict, invalidates the isk/h number. And that was with a ****ty 1500isk/lp conversion rate. But that was over 4 accounts, so really only comparable to barely competent L4 income per account (at least back when I was doing those, dunno what's possible now.) Main benefit is L5's scales up easier with more accounts then L4's do. And of course they're fun to do if you haven't done them before, because they're new, and can bite you in the behind. Unless you spoil it by reading Evesurvival first. Back when I did them there were hardly any guides written though, so didn't even have to exercise restraint.
And you're way, way wrong on standings grind, plus L5's totally trash the opposing faction standings, unless you decline half the missions, which in turn brings your income / month down a great deal. Declining anti-empire missions is only viable for casual players.
After initial testing which was fun, I did the L5 grind for a bit over a month, at which point I hated it already, until I reached my 25bn target (didn't start from 0), at which point I bought myself another character and headed back to w-space where...surprise!!!...isk/h greatly exceeds that of L5's. Risk too.
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