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Princess Oriana
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Posted - 2010.05.28 19:02:00 -
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Hi, I am a low sec mission runner. I spend my days on my main running missions in the hub systems way out in the western side of the map where half a dozen agents can be found in the hub system. I have been a productive member of low-sec space these past many months (something everyone screams we need more of). I am packing up and moving after a troubling series of nerfs ccp implemented to slow down High-sec runners.
Since every one of my agents, trying twice each gave me a mission no less than 2 jumps through low sec away from my hub, I am not willing to risk my hard earned, very specialized un-probeable tengu to the ravenous pirates patrolling these bottleneck systems. Since getting a mission in the hub system itself is next to impossible, I will be moving to a .5 system that is surrounded on all sides by high sec for at least 4 jumps. While not as effective as my .1 mass mission spamming activities of the past, it is better than doing no missions at all.
In closing, congratulations ccp and all you nerf high sec mission proponents, you just lost another vic... i mean citizen. Low sec is going to be even more empty than before now, and border systems where people used to run missions will be vacated. Be prepared to see 300 people in systems like Irjunen and Gekutami.
Lesson: Be careful what you wish for, it might ruin your day
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.05.28 19:08:00 -
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It's true - this is a massive pain in the ass. I'm not sure what I intend to do about it myself.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.05.28 19:22:00 -
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Having the same problem here. I get missions in every system but the one the agent is in and typically there are only 5-10 people there. Really irritating. Generally I'm not being sent more than 1 jump but that still means I have to run my scout alt over there first to take a peak. Not sure what I'm going to do, may just buy 3-4 faction fitted paladins and put one in each potential mission system. But that seems like an epic waste of isk. Especially since I only run lvl4's when waiting on rejection timers on lvl5's.
Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig. |
Dungheap
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.05.28 20:36:00 -
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interesting to hear the low-sec dwellers response to some of the changes. while i can't recall any threads screaming for more insta-undocking, unprobable tengus, it does point out the biggest hurdle to populating those systems.
it's the crappy gate system that funnels players into a tiny area of space where they're easily engaged. that mechanic hi sec dwellers are mocked for being unwilling to deal with, as is the low sec population. you feel that a cluster of 4-20's isn't worth the risk; what bigger incentive is there for a mission runner to move there?
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Cartheron Crust
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2010.05.28 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Cartheron Crust on 28/05/2010 20:51:51 Go to the mission system with the covert subsystem on. Dock, change that subsytem out, undock, do mission, dock, change to covert, go get another mission. Just don't dock in a kickout and make insta's from the stations you will use in case some try's to gank you on the undock.
A bit more hassle (five-six minutes added per mission or something) for you but maybe less hassle than moving house and shipping back to hi-sec and doing missions. |
Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2010.05.28 21:38:00 -
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Until you meet a good crow pilot, or a skilled devoter, or a million other things...
This lowsec mission nerf sucks.
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Kephael
Caldari SERENDIPITY INC R-I-P
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Posted - 2010.05.28 22:00:00 -
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Move to 0.0 and run cosmic anomalies, sanctums are better isk. __________________________________________
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.05.28 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/05/2010 22:35:17 cloak + MWD trick to get to the mission system -> Refit in station -> do mission.
Or, assuming t3, covert subsystem.
Of course it's not ideal, it really should be changed.
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Cartheron Crust
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2010.05.28 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Noran Ferah Until you meet a good crow pilot, or a skilled devoter, or a million other things...
This lowsec mission nerf sucks.
The only way an inty is going to stop you doing anything is to decloak you on jumping. It cannot tank gate guns. If there is a serious gatecamp with an inty for purely decloaking purposes you hold your gatecloak for thirty seconds, align back to gate, cloak and hit mwd (yes in that order it works as I have being doing it for over a year). Seeing as though it is travel fit to get to the mission you can buffer it up and **** even dual prop it so you will get back to the gate even if they have a lachesis and huginn trying to stop you. You jump back through gate and escape said gatecamp. On a station you have zero problems, seeing as though you didn't dock in a kickout station. If there is a fantastical instalocking HIC waiting for you at every station you can still just dock if unable to use your instaundock (of which you have multiple's and always warp to them at different distances, even though you are now in your unprobeable setup and it will be very freakin hard for them to be at you insta providing it is a sufficient distance away).
Stop with the kneejerk reactions and think how to solve the problem. ****ing bears and their mythical nightmare scenarios that occur 100% of the time. |
Princess Oriana
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Posted - 2010.05.28 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cartheron Crust
Originally by: Noran Ferah Until you meet a good crow pilot, or a skilled devoter, or a million other things...
This lowsec mission nerf sucks.
The only way an inty is going to stop you doing anything is to decloak you on jumping. It cannot tank gate guns. If there is a serious gatecamp with an inty for purely decloaking purposes you hold your gatecloak for thirty seconds, align back to gate, cloak and hit mwd (yes in that order it works as I have being doing it for over a year). Seeing as though it is travel fit to get to the mission you can buffer it up and **** even dual prop it so you will get back to the gate even if they have a lachesis and huginn trying to stop you. You jump back through gate and escape said gatecamp. On a station you have zero problems, seeing as though you didn't dock in a kickout station. If there is a fantastical instalocking HIC waiting for you at every station you can still just dock if unable to use your instaundock (of which you have multiple's and always warp to them at different distances, even though you are now in your unprobeable setup and it will be very freakin hard for them to be at you insta providing it is a sufficient distance away).
Stop with the kneejerk reactions and think how to solve the problem. ****ing bears and their mythical nightmare scenarios that occur 100% of the time.
OK, how do you solve for this?
Scenario 1: Mission given to system with no station
Scenario 2: Given 1 mission from each of your half dozen agents all to a different system (Defeating the redeeming value of stacking all your missions and blitzing them)
Scenario 3: You are running missions from Hophib and you are sent to 0.0 because it is the most empty.
This nerf effects more than just us low-sec runners. Imagine having -10 with Caldari state and running missions on the border in Gallente space. You want faction police helping those Serpentis take your tank down?
Level 5's are dead to anyone who doesn't have a blob on standby to protect you from pirates.
You might run your mission from a smart high-sec system far from low sec, then get a storyline from a low sec border system.
It makes little sense to do it the way ccp is now doing it, should be completely random or better yet (gasp!) make missions only in the system your running them from!
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Cartheron Crust
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2010.05.28 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Cartheron Crust on 28/05/2010 23:38:24
Originally by: Princess Oriana
Originally by: Cartheron Crust
Originally by: Noran Ferah Until you meet a good crow pilot, or a skilled devoter, or a million other things...
This lowsec mission nerf sucks.
The only way an inty is going to stop you doing anything is to decloak you on jumping. It cannot tank gate guns. If there is a serious gatecamp with an inty for purely decloaking purposes you hold your gatecloak for thirty seconds, align back to gate, cloak and hit mwd (yes in that order it works as I have being doing it for over a year). Seeing as though it is travel fit to get to the mission you can buffer it up and **** even dual prop it so you will get back to the gate even if they have a lachesis and huginn trying to stop you. You jump back through gate and escape said gatecamp. On a station you have zero problems, seeing as though you didn't dock in a kickout station. If there is a fantastical instalocking HIC waiting for you at every station you can still just dock if unable to use your instaundock (of which you have multiple's and always warp to them at different distances, even though you are now in your unprobeable setup and it will be very freakin hard for them to be at you insta providing it is a sufficient distance away).
Stop with the kneejerk reactions and think how to solve the problem. ****ing bears and their mythical nightmare scenarios that occur 100% of the time.
OK, how do you solve for this?
Scenario 1: Mission given to system with no station
Scenario 2: Given 1 mission from each of your half dozen agents all to a different system (Defeating the redeeming value of stacking all your missions and blitzing them)
Scenario 3: You are running missions from Hophib and you are sent to 0.0 because it is the most empty.
This nerf effects more than just us low-sec runners. Imagine having -10 with Caldari state and running missions on the border in Gallente space. You want faction police helping those Serpentis take your tank down?
Level 5's are dead to anyone who doesn't have a blob on standby to protect you from pirates.
You might run your mission from a smart high-sec system far from low sec, then get a storyline from a low sec border system.
It makes little sense to do it the way ccp is now doing it, should be completely random or better yet (gasp!) make missions only in the system your running them from!
1.) Don't accept it? The standing hit isn't even that terrible for declining within 4 hours. Do it in cov-ops fit with gimped dps, but it will still get done.
2.) What is to solve? This happens to every agent now.
3.) See 1.)
So you have to pay consequences for your negative standings? Working as intended. Maybe with bad standings you should do some research to where it might affect you.
I see people doing level 5's solo in low-sec without any backup and they don't die. They just use their brain and have a little "doesn't afraid of anything juice". :o
You don't have to do the storyline. It is like that for all agents. Except for the joke "experimental" gallente ones that send you to the ass end of low-sec all the time. |
Princess Oriana
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Posted - 2010.05.28 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cartheron Crust Stuff
Ok then, I guess you think it is perfectly fine that CCP borked a part of the game that oh just about 90% of people use. That is fine that you think that.
by the way, your responses to my questions was basically to not do the missions... yet you complain earlier when I said I am doing exactly that, not doing the missions. I am moving to deep high-sec and leaving behind the pirates to wonder where the last of their victims went. Others will simply leave behind the game.
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Cartheron Crust
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2010.05.29 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Oriana
Originally by: Cartheron Crust Stuff
Ok then, I guess you think it is perfectly fine that CCP borked a part of the game that oh just about 90% of people use. That is fine that you think that.
by the way, your responses to my questions was basically to not do the missions... yet you complain earlier when I said I am doing exactly that, not doing the missions. I am moving to deep high-sec and leaving behind the pirates to wonder where the last of their victims went. Others will simply leave behind the game.
The situations I just replied to are not going to occur a large majority of the time. I know because I have done level 4's in lowsec after this supposed doomsday patch. All you are doing is crying because CCP moved your bowl of milk a bit further away and are refusing to try and solve the issue. |
Unit ADA
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Posted - 2010.05.29 00:09:00 -
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CCP intent on spreading out players will backfire. I can understand what they wish to do, but this is not the way. The only thing that's going to really happen is that people are now going to go into higher sec mission hubs. There will be even less players coming to low sec. When you try to push something, expect it to push back.
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Volir
Dot.
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Posted - 2010.05.29 00:14:00 -
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wait hold on Lowsec WITH risk?
THIS INJUSTICE CANNOT STAND
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Princess Oriana
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Posted - 2010.05.29 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cartheron Crust
Originally by: Princess Oriana
Originally by: Cartheron Crust Stuff
Ok then, I guess you think it is perfectly fine that CCP borked a part of the game that oh just about 90% of people use. That is fine that you think that.
by the way, your responses to my questions was basically to not do the missions... yet you complain earlier when I said I am doing exactly that, not doing the missions. I am moving to deep high-sec and leaving behind the pirates to wonder where the last of their victims went. Others will simply leave behind the game.
The situations I just replied to are not going to occur a large majority of the time. I know because I have done level 4's in lowsec after this supposed doomsday patch. All you are doing is crying because CCP moved your bowl of milk a bit further away and are refusing to try and solve the issue.
ITT - someone who claims to be beta testing missions in the new patch forever...
Give me a freaking break, the patch has been live 2 days and was down a couple hours one of those days. You don't have a "majority of the time" type research on this new system in that amount of time, and you have hundreds of players complaining about this one issue all over the forums.
Yes the POS shooting everything problem is a bigger pain to some, yes the market being pre-nerfed because CCP forgot we could reprocess stuff is a pain to some, yes mining income dropping to never before seen levels is a pain to some. But just about everyone in this game runs missions. It is a major problem because their nerf fixes nothing, just makes large portions of lower security high-sec and level 5 missions worthless.
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Cartheron Crust
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2010.05.29 00:19:00 -
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You have made up your mind just go to hi-sec and cry into your pillow. |
GankTheFlashyDude
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Posted - 2010.05.29 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cartheron Crust You have made up your mind just go to hi-sec and cry into your pillow.
Go ahead sir and put your head into the sand. What I believe is happening here, like the OP suggests, is the largest movement of players from one area to another since the implementation of K-space. There is going to be thousands of mission runners packing up from 0.5, 0.6 systems and moving to the certainty of 0.8, 0.9 systems. maybe a few hundred leave low-sec all together. But we as a community have not seen this kind of population migration in a long time.
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Dr Bishop
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Posted - 2010.05.29 02:16:00 -
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I'm just going into 0.0 now anyways. I like running the agents in low sec when I got bored. No matter, most the people (but not all) I would run into in low sec are not looking for a gank, not a challenge. Null sec will have new challenges, but I'm just waiting for the posts asking why low sec is (even more) empty now that missions have changed. I'm glad I ramped up my probing skills already in anticipation of 0.0 exploration
Adaptation...fun, fun
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Boogie Bobby
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Posted - 2010.05.29 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Boogie Bobby on 29/05/2010 02:50:23 Have those of you who make fun of the hi sec carebear tear parade (and in this case low sec) accepted that missions appealed to and are an essential part of a certain segment of the eve population? (btw they are buying all those plex modules)
Do you really think the way to grow the game looking forward was to pull the rug out from under those players? I get that CCP wants us to give other activities in null and low sec a try and I'm ok with that and I've started to venture out there myself, but I always thought I could rely on my missioner for reasonable, consistent income if need be.
It seems like the shaping of the game is pushing people to 0.0 by making hi sec as vanilla and painful as possible instead of making 0.0 more appealing. Mining needed a boost, and part of that was a loot table nerf sure but the extra jumps are salt in the wound that was already opened wide by a conspicuous absence of the promised tags.
TL;DR When it comes to A vs B don't make A better by crippling the **** out of B.
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Peter Peachfuzz
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Posted - 2010.05.29 04:27:00 -
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A big ass asteroid was a extection event for the dinosaurs. CCP's big ass nerf stick ****ing off a majority of paying customers might be their extection event.
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TV Evangelist
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Posted - 2010.05.29 19:58:00 -
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Yep, stupid change.
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2010.05.29 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Peter Peachfuzz A big ass asteroid was a extection event for the dinosaurs. CCP's big ass nerf stick ****ing off a majority of paying customers might be their extection event.
EVE is dying, amirite?
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Co'chese
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.05.29 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Oriana
Originally by: Cartheron Crust Stuff
Ok then, I guess you think it is perfectly fine that CCP borked a part of the game that oh just about 90% of people use. That is fine that you think that.
you hit the nail right on the head with why they came in a nerfed your precious missions. let me remind you:
-when it becomes a necessity to fit a nos to your ship it gets nerfed -when it becomes a necessity to fit damps to your ship it gets nerfed -when it becomes a necessity nano your ships it gets nerfed -when it becomes a necessity to have a falcon alt it gets nerfed -when it becomes a necessity to grind missions for super easy income it gets nerfed
i realize that you are talking about running missions in lowsec but maybe you should move to a less populated spot in lowsec and you won't have to jump several jumps for your mission? unless the system that picks the less populated systems is broken and then if it is you should file a bug report not whine on the forums. the truth is that missions are just too profitable in general. the unfortunate side effect is that lowsec missioning got a little tougher but you know what they say in that music video made by the developers? HTFU!
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Newsflash
Gallente NorthUnited
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Posted - 2010.05.29 20:51:00 -
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allready moved my both characters to 0.9 lvl4 mission running system cos ccp ****ed over lvl5 missions. atm i see 139 in local here and will be expecting much more in future. chat having lag atm and drones respond with delay lets see what it will be upcoming days.. nice move ccp
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bongono
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Posted - 2010.05.30 17:20:00 -
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Just moved from Innoue (90 player population) to Motsu (280 at time) - yes great lag reduction there - numbers at time of writing.
I will atually get more isk due to better quality agent, it wasnt the 1-3 trips either or less loot whatever that has annoyed me. It was fact that I could decline a mission and then got another low sec mission. A game is not fun where you do nothing for 4 hours!
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Hori To
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2010.05.30 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: bongono Just moved from Innoue (90 player population) to Motsu (280 at time) - yes great lag reduction there - numbers at time of writing.
I will atually get more isk due to better quality agent, it wasnt the 1-3 trips either or less loot whatever that has annoyed me. It was fact that I could decline a mission and then got another low sec mission. A game is not fun where you do nothing for 4 hours!
using several agents will at least fix that problem. |
JimboDeath
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:08:00 -
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Let me make this perfectly clear and short.
My time playing eve has gone from fun to f#@$ this. Fun was, logging on, fly a L5 mission near home base, sayin hi to my friends, and getting the f* out.
Now my game has turned from an arcade-styled evening into some perverted CCP form of cycling agents until my L5 carebear needs are fulfilled. I dont care what others do in this game, Im not one to get all ultra involved in wtf's plans, plots, or deceptions. If this was ultimately what you crazy a$$ed developers wanted...I have just one more follow-up question for you:
Did you just want to run my missions for me too, while I still pay for my account?
Sincerely,
Ihavepurchasedmylast30-dayPLEX
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Co'chese
Originally by: Princess Oriana
Originally by: Cartheron Crust Stuff
Ok then, I guess you think it is perfectly fine that CCP borked a part of the game that oh just about 90% of people use. That is fine that you think that.
you hit the nail right on the head with why they came in a nerfed your precious missions. let me remind you:
-when it becomes a necessity to fit a nos to your ship it gets nerfed -when it becomes a necessity to fit damps to your ship it gets nerfed -when it becomes a necessity nano your ships it gets nerfed -when it becomes a necessity to have a falcon alt it gets nerfed -when it becomes a necessity to grind missions for super easy income it gets nerfed
i realize that you are talking about running missions in lowsec but maybe you should move to a less populated spot in lowsec and you won't have to jump several jumps for your mission? unless the system that picks the less populated systems is broken and then if it is you should file a bug report not whine on the forums. the truth is that missions are just too profitable in general. the unfortunate side effect is that lowsec missioning got a little tougher but you know what they say in that music video made by the developers? HTFU!
So much stupidity.
This wasn't a nerf to profitability of missions, that alone would have been fine. They're just jerking missioners around.
Once again, not a nerf, missioners are just being jerked around.
This was not a nerf. This was a "**** you".
lol
But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
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Fettered Soul
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:04:00 -
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Edited by: Fettered Soul on 31/05/2010 02:04:45 I had 2 IV-lvl agents in 2 systems in 0.6 Now they are continuously give me missions in 0.4 :) It is not fun. Do you really think I will fly in 0.4 on Marauder-class ship? I will better move to Motsu or Dodixi. I think such systems will be like Jita very soon There is little reward change but still safe
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