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JimboDeath
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:28:00 -
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Let me make this perfectly clear and short.
My time playing eve has gone from fun to f#@$ this. Fun was, logging on, fly a L5 mission near home base, sayin hi to my friends, and getting the f* out.
Now my game has turned from an arcade-styled evening into some perverted CCP form of cycling agents until my L5 carebear needs are fulfilled. I dont care what others do in this game, Im not one to get all ultra involved in wtf's plans, plots, or deceptions. If this was ultimately what you crazy a$$ed developers wanted...I have just one more follow-up question for you:
Did you just want to run my missions for me too, while I still pay for my account?
Sincerely,
Ihavepurchasedmylast30-dayPLEX
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:37:00 -
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Wtf are you one about? And why do you think anyone cares?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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ing SpeedyJ
Gallente Broken Lightning
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult Wtf are you one about? And why do you think anyone cares?
do u know term HAPPY CUSTOMER ?
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Heimer
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:55:00 -
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We're becoming familiar with the term 'whiny QQing carebear.'
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:57:00 -
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A short while earlier, a group of corps got together and dumped all their useless alts into Hysra, whose lvl5 agent in turn gave some highsec lvl5 missions.
People are already adapting. You just need to get organized.
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Missm Uppet
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:09:00 -
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I can say with some confidence that Level 5 missions were never really intended to be run solo. And they certainly weren't intended to be run in high-sec. That should have been abundantly obvious to you being that all agents were based in low-sec. Developers had been saying for quite some time that low-sec missions would be restricted to low-sec at some point in the future.
To be honest I think this game gets a little brighter every time some small-minded dolt like you stops logging in. Take your attitude and intelligence to WoW where it will find much more acceptance.
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Irdia Freelancer
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:18:00 -
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L5's were intended to be a challenge so cpp should also add warp gates to all of them so lazy players can't warp in a carrier for them.
Using a carrier on a L5 is probably more of an abuse than the runing of hi-sec L5's were. Lets face it, a hi-sec L5 was harder to run, ie more challenging as a mission than a L5 with a carrier.
You can still get L5's in hi-sec, just they have been severely reduced.
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.05.31 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99 A short while earlier, a group of corps got together and dumped all their useless alts into Hysra, whose lvl5 agent in turn gave some highsec lvl5 missions.
People are already adapting. You just need to get organized.
Dude! STFU already!
Patri
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Elldranga
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Posted - 2010.05.31 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99 A short while earlier, a group of corps got together and dumped all their useless alts into Hysra, whose lvl5 agent in turn gave some highsec lvl5 missions.
People are already adapting. You just need to get organized.
The fact that this is even necessary shows what a problem CCP has created.
Sure there's ways around it... but there shouldn't HAVE to be.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:44:00 -
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whine
Missions that were supposed to be in low sec are not actually in low sec, I want my loophole back!
/whine
Originally by: CCP Shadow There is no maximum quota placed on the amount a player can scam from others, provided he/she is using legitimate, in-game methods.
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Freay Chrome
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Posted - 2010.05.31 06:06:00 -
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Can I have your stuff? please I'm real short on isk
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.05.31 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Elldranga
Originally by: Goose99 A short while earlier, a group of corps got together and dumped all their useless alts into Hysra, whose lvl5 agent in turn gave some highsec lvl5 missions.
People are already adapting. You just need to get organized.
The fact that this is even necessary shows what a problem CCP has created.
Sure there's ways around it... but there shouldn't HAVE to be.
Indeed, they should just remove any possibility of these agents ever giving highsec missions. Lowsec content belongs in lowsec.
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Bob McVities
Caldari Defiant Delerium
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Posted - 2010.05.31 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Bob McVities on 31/05/2010 06:31:12 Im in kinda agreeance of the OP, i had quite a lot of fun, more fun then i've had in a long time running some of those lvl 5s, it was nice while it lasted, lost a 2bil tengu on one and laughed my ass off all the way thru it, mate of mine lost his ship aswell and nearly lost a 2nd tengu that we warped in too... great fun... Since the changes my fun factor has degreased by like 70% now heh.. Nothing will be done about it, as some people righly pointed out, 5s were for low sec only, but that is what faction mission running is for aswell, like running missions for guristas for example, i always thought that lvl 5s were for catering both high and low sec players.
Lot of people like me had great fun just doing whatever in high sec, missions/mining/plex's ect.. but i think a lot of this stuff is starting to change too dramaticly for me personally and have to seriously think about what im going to do with my eve account. I think taking some of the fun out for some people will make more then just a few ppl think along the same lines as me. Some say that high sec lvl 5s was an exploit, well, so is some of the gang/fleet options to gank mission runners (shooting a npc corp player stealing loot and then the whole fleet warps in to kill the mission runner coz your then marked red for the entire fleet) but thats not been touched on.
There is still good isk on lvl 4s, i've heard that even some lvl 3s are starting to send ppl to low sec btw, but i think this change will simply just **** to many people off. For the people who say "can i have your stuff" dont even bother posting unless you actually have something constructively good to say, just shows how lame your being when ppl are generally concerned about the issues of the new expansion, doesn't help anyone that.
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JJ Redic
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Posted - 2010.05.31 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bob McVities Edited by: Bob McVities on 31/05/2010 06:31:12my fun factor has degreased by like 70%
Nobody likes a greasy fun factor anyways.
AND
cn haz stuff?
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Bob McVities
Caldari Defiant Delerium
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Posted - 2010.05.31 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: JJ Redic
Originally by: Bob McVities Edited by: Bob McVities on 31/05/2010 06:31:12my fun factor has degreased by like 70%
Nobody likes a greasy fun factor anyways.
AND
cn haz stuff?
lol..
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Royaldo
Gallente Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari
Originally by: Goose99 A short while earlier, a group of corps got together and dumped all their useless alts into Hysra, whose lvl5 agent in turn gave some highsec lvl5 missions.
People are already adapting. You just need to get organized.
Dude! STFU already!
lol
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Julia Venatrix
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Posted - 2010.05.31 08:48:00 -
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I think right now is too soon to tell whether this is a good idea or not. Give it a couple of weeks and look at the stats for L5 missions being run. See where they are, and how many they are.
If the result of this change is just a big decrease in the number of L5 missions being done, then it probably needs revisiting. When all that happens is that some previously-used game content is used less, then the rules-change that causes that decrease is probably not the right one to have implemented.
In that case, we should consider some alternative - like pushing L5 missions back into hisec but reducing their rewards.
As things stand, L4 and L5 missions are not good lowsec content, in exactly the same way that mining is not good lowsec content.
Spamming the scanner is not a fun mechanic.
Probing out a PvE fit is trivial barring unprobable Tengu - and forcing a single fit of a single ship is also a poor game design choice.
A mission runner or miner has zero expectation of victory in a duel with a lone PvP ship regardless of how expensive a PvE fit they have, let alone a gang.
The choice of whether to engage, and whether to make it a a duel or bring a gang (or a blob, or to hotdrop a dozen carriers on this poor sucker's Raven just for the lulz), sits solely with the PvPer. It's not much of a game when only one side chooses whether or not to play, and always wins when they do.
So this change to L5s is really disappointing in not offering an alternative to the current lowsec content as well. Short, high adrenaline missions, where:
Stopping the Thief requires a scrambler
The Assault has few enough ships that a buffer tank is viable
EW is important and functional against rats
Mission completion and rewards are not primarily dependent on slaughtering a dozen ill-fit low-DPS battleship hulls
Each player ship in a mission causes a new rat spawn with the possibility of aggro to the new arrival. In short, missions not a million miles off WH space, but driven by agents instead of complexes. --- Some days you are the pigeon, and some the statue. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.05.31 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bob McVities Some say that high sec lvl 5s was an exploit, well, so is some of the gang/fleet options to gank mission runners (shooting a npc corp player stealing loot and then the whole fleet warps in to kill the mission runner coz your then marked red for the entire fleet) but thats not been touched on.
No, CCP said it was an exploit/bug and fixed it. You obviously don't know about the "lofty scam" hence you are very ignorant of this issue you are referring to.
Fact is that level 5 missions were never meant to be in high sec and whining that your *exploit* has been taken away is ridiculous. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
JimboDeath
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:37:00 -
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Back to the top *****ES. I dont care if it was an exploit, didnt belong there, or whatever the **** CCP icelandic ****ing dousche bags had in mind. Its ****ing all ****ed up now. I enjoyed the arcade style life of missioning and now its gone. IT IS NOT WORTH the days I'm cycling thru ****ing lo sec destinations anymore.
And oh yeah ***gots, theres nothing you can say to convince me a L4 blitz krieg is gonna make more than L5's do. YOU ARE ****ing wrong P E R I O D.
It ****ing disgusts me that so many others hate youre dumb **** decision CCPusses. You can finish ruining the rest of your loyal customers another time.
Sincerely,
Ihavepurchasedmylast30-dayPLEX
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Libin Herobi
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
Originally by: Bob McVities Some say that high sec lvl 5s was an exploit, well, so is some of the gang/fleet options to gank mission runners (shooting a npc corp player stealing loot and then the whole fleet warps in to kill the mission runner coz your then marked red for the entire fleet) but thats not been touched on.
No, CCP said it was an exploit/bug and fixed it. You obviously don't know about the "lofty scam" hence you are very ignorant of this issue you are referring to.
Fact is that level 5 missions were never meant to be in high sec and whining that your *exploit* has been taken away is ridiculous.
The linked article is about agents, not missions! And the agents are in lowsec, so where's the exploit?
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: beautyispain on 31/05/2010 18:58:58 I'm getting so ****ing tired of trolls whining about the L5 high sec missions being a bug and people should be in low sec doing them and replying with stupid ****ing troll sentences like "****ing carebear go back to WOW" etc. Pirates run L5 missions in peace in low sec on carriers and have nothing to worry about. Must say I totally agree with the OP here. However, comments about the mission nerfing being used to reduce mudflation have offered some comfort, some means to justify this **** move by CCP. I myself will be replacing my L5 mission running with moving to wormhole, altough I am badly going to hate all the logistics involved and the need to log in every ****ing day to monitor it.
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Co'chese
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Co''chese on 31/05/2010 18:59:13
Originally by: JimboDeath
My time playing eve has gone from fun to f#@$ this. Fun was, logging on, fly a L5 mission near home base, sayin hi to my friends, and getting the f* out.
Now my game has turned from an arcade-styled evening into some perverted CCP form of cycling agents until my L5 carebear needs are fulfilled. I dont care what others do in this game, Im not one to get all ultra involved in wtf's plans, plots, or deceptions.
Originally by: JimboDeath And oh yeah ***gots, theres nothing you can say to convince me a L4 blitz krieg is gonna make more than L5's do. YOU ARE ****ing wrong P E R I O D.
so let me get this straight, you run missions because you like the arcade style gameplay but get angry that you isk/hr is hurt? why do you care how much isk you make if all you do is run missions. also if you learn how to run them in lowsec then your isk/hr is going to skyrocket past what you were making before. if you want a challenge try running lv4 missions in poorly fit ships or smaller ships, but it seems its all about the isk for you. i guess i don't get the people that run missions for the sake of running them, or so you claim.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.05.31 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
Originally by: Bob McVities Some say that high sec lvl 5s was an exploit, well, so is some of the gang/fleet options to gank mission runners (shooting a npc corp player stealing loot and then the whole fleet warps in to kill the mission runner coz your then marked red for the entire fleet) but thats not been touched on.
No, CCP said it was an exploit/bug and fixed it. You obviously don't know about the "lofty scam" hence you are very ignorant of this issue you are referring to.
Fact is that level 5 missions were never meant to be in high sec and whining that your *exploit* has been taken away is ridiculous.
That is actually false. The blog says "We're adding more Agent," "Levels 5 and up are all in 0.4 security and below," stating that lvl5 agents added are all in 0.4 sec and below, including a few that happens to be in 0.4 system neighboring highsec, which is true.
Of course, this does not necessarily mean lvl5s should be in highsec, only that your assumption that CCP originally intended the lvl5 missions to be in lowsec to be false. This is true only of agents placement, not missions themselves.
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Cthulhu F'taghn
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:00:00 -
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I can tell although you are a "man" you have feminine private parts.
Maybe grow some testes and go try some pvp then we can talk about the future of your missioning (do it to fund pvp not sell for irl $$$ on ebay).
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Libin Herobi
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Libin Herobi on 31/05/2010 19:20:15
Originally by: Co'chese Edited by: Co''chese on 31/05/2010 18:59:13
Originally by: JimboDeath
My time playing eve has gone from fun to f#@$ this. Fun was, logging on, fly a L5 mission near home base, sayin hi to my friends, and getting the f* out.
Now my game has turned from an arcade-styled evening into some perverted CCP form of cycling agents until my L5 carebear needs are fulfilled. I dont care what others do in this game, Im not one to get all ultra involved in wtf's plans, plots, or deceptions.
Originally by: JimboDeath And oh yeah ***gots, theres nothing you can say to convince me a L4 blitz krieg is gonna make more than L5's do. YOU ARE ****ing wrong P E R I O D.
so let me get this straight, you run missions because you like the arcade style gameplay but get angry that you isk/hr is hurt? why do you care how much isk you make if all you do is run missions. also if you learn how to run them in lowsec then your isk/hr is going to skyrocket past what you were making before. if you want a challenge try running lv4 missions in poorly fit ships or smaller ships, but it seems its all about the isk for you. i guess i don't get the people that run missions for the sake of running them, or so you claim.
So let me get this straight, someone likes to run missions "arcade style" (fast paced, possibility of losing, "action") and now this person has to wait 4 hours to ask for another "oops sorry, again in lowsec" and you don't understand that?
Then this same person states that L4 missions do not generate the same income, as a pre-emptive statement to everyone suggesting to "go to L4". I don't see a big contradiction in those two things. Do you?
And I haven't seen any indication of what the OP is doing with that income. How come you "know" he's running them, just to run them??
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Kirana Si
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:49:00 -
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@ Op
Successfull troll was successfull
10/10
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Bob McVities
Caldari Defiant Delerium
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
Originally by: Bob McVities Some say that high sec lvl 5s was an exploit, well, so is some of the gang/fleet options to gank mission runners (shooting a npc corp player stealing loot and then the whole fleet warps in to kill the mission runner coz your then marked red for the entire fleet) but thats not been touched on.
No, CCP said it was an exploit/bug and fixed it. You obviously don't know about the "lofty scam" hence you are very ignorant of this issue you are referring to.
Fact is that level 5 missions were never meant to be in high sec and whining that your *exploit* has been taken away is ridiculous.
the Lofty Scam is something entirely different to the fleet exploit im talking about, thats to do with inviting a war target into the gang/fleet, not the same thing. And CCP never said it was an exploit, they mentioned it was a bug with lvl 5s, NOT an exploit. As mentioned before, the devs should definitely have moved ALL lvl 5 agents much deeper into regions of low sec to make sure they would strictly only give low-sec missions, placing them RIGHT next to a bunch of high-sec systems wtf do you think will happen?
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Noob XIII
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Noob XIII on 31/05/2010 21:24:43 i was looking forward to doing level 5 missions every now and again in high sec, not as a means of isk generation but more of a challenge...not with 2 ships(for isk) like everyone else does... i was going to solo them completely, but now it seems ive wasted a good deal of time training for something that cannot work anymore....ccp give me my training time back plese.
ive done everything in high sec...mining, missions, plexs, ninja, etc and still fully intend to try for a high sec level 5 mission...but how many ships will i loose trying? especially since the pirates all arrived in the system the other day :(
pvp is not something i wish to learn...yet... and this new system seems to force pvp upon any level 5 mission runner. if you want to make level 5s harder, which is what youve done by sending all the pirates to level 5 sites, why not make the pvp harder too? or do you just expect to kill off level 5s? here are some things to level out a bit:
1.accel gates to allow only certain number of ships into a mission. this could be random so pirates can only possibly get in.
2.changing aggro/ or a fair distribution when new players come so that pirates can be shot at too...like sleepers....you know. Nothing says level playing field like 2000dps from npcs already being thrown at you when a pirate comes along.
3. multiple undock points at stations so its harder to camp them. pvp should be a fair playing field to new players not discriminate because they dont choose to be in a massive blob, this completely takes away a soloers edge....or station shields! pos's have them so why not no fighting around npc stations? - this would encourage more trading in low sec too
4. more level 5 agents...at least divide the pirates up a bit
step one: find level 5 agent in low sec but by high sec
step two: get gate camped on way into low/ station camped when you dock for missions/ scanned down and popped in mission
step three: give up and go back to l4 missions which are run by thousands of people but somehow have no regular new content...
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Haze zec
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Posted - 2010.05.31 21:38:00 -
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Would you be ok with running missions in low sec if CCP made these changes?
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.05.31 22:10:00 -
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I love the high sec carebear tears. I've always run the lvl5's in low sec, and do them almost exclusively with just one character. It's perfectly safe and very profitable if you use a little sense. I ran one last night, one today and will no doubt run another tomorrow.
At the moment I'm actually waiting out the rejection timer cause I pulled two in a row in high sec. As an outlaw, those are off limits to me obviously. So keep whining, I really wish they'd fully block them from high sec. It would significantly increase the value of LP and prevent problems like I currently have where I can't run them because they are in high sec.
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