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Jev North
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.07.20 17:16:00 -
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Hans Nardieu wrote:People of that sort need the order the Federation provides. Just like the in the fable of the Ring of Gyges, once the consequences are removed, that sort show their true nature, nasty and brutish. A lovely, very old story, and I'm pleased to be reminded of it. Rot, though. You were wise to hedge yourself against it the way you did; it's one of those stories who tell more about the storyteller than the subject. |
Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2012.07.20 19:34:00 -
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Hans Nardieu wrote:You'll note I had nothing to say about the rightness or wrongness of the Intaki exile, merely that the descendants of said exiles had devolved into villainous slime, clustered around floating spacetrash and peddling chemicals to their free brethren in Placid. You can't seriously disagree with this statement.
Col. Nardieu, it never ceases to amaze me how easy it is for defenders of the Federation to ignore the grievous wrongs it has committed while pointing out the shortcomings of others.
For all the good you claim your Federation has done, you seem to have forgotten the horror of the exile. As others have already noted that exile was not for nothing more than having an unpopular minority opinion.
For that they were stripped of land, possession and citizenship; sent to the harsh reality of wild space and told to build a new life for themselves. But were they given freedom? No, they were told that if they dared to settle a planet, if they were so bold as to colonize a moon that there would be even greater retribution laid down upon them.
So, left to carve a life for themselves with both hands tied behind their back, they were left to die in space. But they didnGÇÖt die, did they? They fought tooth and claw and not only did they live, but they thrived and built a society for themselves.
Sadly, that society isnGÇÖt everything that it could have been. Many of the traditional values of the Intaki have been lost, but that is the price they paid. They did not ask to have this evolution thrust on them, but they accepted it rather that allow themselves to be subjected to a slow execution.
But maybe IGÇÖm being unfair to cast stones at the Federation for this great travesty of its own core beliefs. After all, no one alive today was responsible for it. It was a mistake, a lapse in the true and inspired vision of the Federation, one that could never be repeated.
In todayGÇÖs enlightened age all men and women are equal under the Eagle and none are marginalized. We live in an unprecedented age of prosperity where all share equally in the bounty of the FederationGÇÖs greatness and voices of all are heard in the great halls of government.
Except that isnGÇÖt true, is it? We Intaki live in an age where the members of the government elected to represent us agreed to CONCORDGÇÖs plan for a proxy war that flooded our home systems with privateers and brigands sanctioned to wage war in our skies. And then, when it came time to us to voice our displeasure and to elect new leadership, we were disenfranchised and denied one of the most basic and fundamental rights of any citizen in a democracy.
No, Col. Nardieu, the population of the Syndicate is not perfect. But they are honest about their sins.
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
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Posted - 2012.07.20 20:53:00 -
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Ms Nardieu, maybe the Syndicate population is not the ones to be blamed for the actions of their shady or criminal leaders like the ex SOE Silphy en Diabel that took over 14 years ago. After all, as pointed above, it is not like most of them have any choice in the matter of their lives. |
Hans Nardieu
Federal Nationalist Party Federal Consensus Outreach
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Posted - 2012.07.20 22:29:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Ms Nardieu, maybe the Syndicate population is not the ones to be blamed for the actions of their shady or criminal leaders like the ex SOE Silphy en Diabel that took over 14 years ago. After all, as pointed above, it is not like most of them have any choice in the matter of their lives.
Madame, this is the real fallacy of this tragedy. They do have a choice and they've chosen it. And it is the youth of Placid whom organisations such as the IPI purport to defend that pay the price. Col. Hans Nardieu (ret.) Chairman, National Party of the Federated Union of Gallente Prime Office of the Party Headquarters, Villore VII-6 Senate Bureau Station |
Mammal Tafren
Ida Covenant Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2012.07.20 22:46:00 -
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Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumoured by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find anything that agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it. |
Bastian Valoron
Gallente Independent Progressive Alternative Federal Consensus Outreach
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Posted - 2012.07.21 23:15:00 -
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It is a misleading verbal trick to try to dub criminals as exiles. The least the Federation can do to protect travel and free enterprise is to try to limit the damage they are causing to the law-abiding citizens.
Any Intaki from the Syndicate can join their hard-working, conscientious and highly respected cousins living in the Federation just by following the procedures to demonstrate that they can be expected to be constructive and trustworthy members of the society.
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Syyl'ara
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2012.07.21 23:53:00 -
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Bastian Valoron wrote:It is a misleading verbal trick to try to dub criminals as exiles. The least the Federation can do to protect travel and free enterprise is to try to limit the damage they are causing to the law-abiding citizens. The Federation has had decades to address security issues along its "western" frontier. Either it has neglected to address the problem, preferring instead to direct resources to the central worlds in what could be described as a positive feedback loop or it has been attempting to improve the situation but has been ineffective to the point of ineptitude.
Bastian Valoron wrote:Any Intaki from the Syndicate can join their hard-working, conscientious and highly respected cousins living in the Federation just by following the procedures to demonstrate that they can be expected to be constructive and trustworthy members of the society. I have a number of issues here. First of all living in Syndicate and being hard-working, conscientious and highly respected are not mutually exclusive nor does living in the Federation automatically impart these qualities. Second, you drift off into vague rhetoric with your comment about "procedures and demonstrations of trust" which reads to many Syndicate residents as something like "bend over and capitulate or screw off." Finally, you seem to still not grasp the concept that maybe not everyone cares to live under Federation rule, especially when scornful and conceited judgmentalism from representatives like you seems to be the most frequent interaction they have with it. Syyl'ara Infrastructure Security Coordinator Ishukone Prosperity Exchange "Cooperation is the greater path than conflict" |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
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Posted - 2012.07.22 10:10:00 -
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Bastian Valoron wrote: Any Intaki from the Syndicate can join their hard-working, conscientious and highly respected cousins living in the Federation just by following the procedures to demonstrate that they can be expected to be constructive and trustworthy members of the society.
- Escaping from the Syndicate grasp. A station docking bays are easier to watch than land and spacelines boundaries. High probability of failure, and death or severe injury.
- Affording the black market cost of the travel, or traveling in a clandestine manner. Uncertainties of underground dealings also mean that there is a certain probability of being racketed and lured into a pirate/slaver trap. It is not uncommon.
- Entering Federation spacelines and passing through customs. High probability of being scanned out and returned to Syndicate.
- Providing identity cards or a federal citizen ID or risking to be exiled again. The Federation has never been the open beacon that everyone thinks it is. To a certain degree only.
- If one fails at this point, returning to the Syndicate can prove hazardous and dangerous. |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.07.22 12:02:00 -
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Valdezi wrote: Trust me, she is. She just doesn't know it yet.
What the ?.. |
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