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Khorsabad
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:41:00 -
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I am a fairly new player, Calderi Merc, who just finnished up the carrier trainer missions at the school of knowledge and am getting ready to load all my gear in my badger and head for the Sisters of EVE to start a Epic story arch. For combat right now I fly a fairly well equiped destroyer, the Cormerant. What ship, as far as a combat vessel, should I be training and saveing for? Thank you for your imput.
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Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:48:00 -
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Cormorant will get u through LvL 1 missions easily...then you are better off sticking on the Missile boats...natural escalation would be:
LvL 1: Cormorant (guns) LvL 2: Caracal (AML works fine) LvL 3: Drake (Passive tanked + HML) LvL 4: Raven (Active tanked + Cruise)
As you skills grow you can have a ton of options as a caldari pilot. For example ppl like running lvl 4s in Tengus now, meaning you can skip the BS class intensive training totally - but a ton of support skills are still required to maximize the potential for isk/hour making. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game! |
Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Diomidis Cormorant will get u through LvL 1 missions easily...then you are better off sticking on the Missile boats...natural escalation would be:
LvL 1: Cormorant (guns) LvL 2: Caracal (AML works fine) LvL 3: Drake (Passive tanked + HML) LvL 4: Raven (Active tanked + Cruise)
As you skills grow you can have a ton of options as a caldari pilot. For example ppl like running lvl 4s in Tengus now, meaning you can skip the BS class intensive training totally - but a ton of support skills are still required to maximize the potential for isk/hour making.
This is also a good progression if you want to stick with missioning and other related methods of making money. (For example, if you run DED sites, a Drake can handle most DED 4s, a Caracal, most DED 3s).
That said, you can also go the gun route for missions. This is harder as the Caldari gunships are not the greatest tanks, but they do well. In this case...
lvl 2 Moa lvl 3 Ferox lvl 4 Rokh... though let me say that this is far worse than a raven for PvE and mission running. However, you would train up gunnery skills this way which is a good stepping stone into PvP.
Also, this list is very depenant on how you want to make your money, or your path to profitablity.
For example, if you would prefer to mine for income, you would go for an Osprey Cruiser, then Retriever, Hulk, etc.
For hauling... Badger Mark 2, Transport ships, Charon.
For PvP... you may want to move a bit away from Caldari. People prefer speed or armor tanking and guns, which Caldari does not exactly excel at. Still, I went the Caldari Gun path, then switched to the missile boats. However, I'm thankful I did the gun route first. As I get more into PvP, I have the gun skills I need and I just added Minmitar Frigate and some armor skills to get a good start.
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Titax Mystral
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Titax Mystral on 01/06/2010 16:50:09
Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia For PvP... you may want to move a bit away from Caldari. People prefer speed or armor tanking and guns, which Caldari does not exactly excel at. Still, I went the Caldari Gun path, then switched to the missile boats. However, I'm thankful I did the gun route first. As I get more into PvP, I have the gun skills I need and I just added Minmitar Frigate and some armor skills to get a good start.
+1 to this.
Caldari do have arguably the best PVE ships in-game. The CNR and Golem are the most widely used.
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Khorsabad
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:55:00 -
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I plan on mostly PVE right now and hopefully finding a good RP guild once Im a little farther into the game. From what I understand though missle boats are better for PVE but not good for PVP? Calderi have the best missle boats? As far as mineing goes right now I use it as a way to suplement my income and right now Im useing a Badger 1 training to be able to use the badger 2 soon becuase of the HUGE cargo space for holding large ammounts of ore. Will someday look into mineing barges and such. For exploration I have a second destroyer equiped with probes, salvagers, mineing lasers, and the scanner and code breaker for finding the rare ore and still haveing the firepower to kill any defending pirates.
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Seraph Castillon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:46:00 -
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Do not put too much training into mining if you don't want to actually be a miner. The time training a mining barge you could spend on further improving your combat options and thus being able to run higher level missions for more income. With the income mining currently gives you ... well, lets just say it's reserved for bots and isk farmers.
I would also like to second the fact that you should think twice about training battleship level skills. Alot can be achieved with strategic cruisers these days.
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:01:00 -
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Missile boats are *easiest* for PvE; if that is better for you, then they're better for you. There are many many ships faster. Gunnery takes a while to skill up, it's good to start on it early.
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Capita List
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Seraph Castillon . With the income mining currently gives you ... well, lets just say it's reserved for bots and isk farmers.
This. My accounts are currently Industry/Miner and Pirate. Years ago mining used to pay the bills for both accounts without much issue. These days i'm working twice as hard to get by in mineral income and have spent recent months training trading skills instead. I don't bother mining much now unless the market is really slow or volatile. As far as PVP goes, my pirate is Caldari so you can make it work. We have some very underrated pvp vessals that don't get a lot of press on the forums (which I like a lot since it suprises my prey more often than not ).
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Indeterminacy on 01/06/2010 20:04:57
Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia
For PvP... you may want to move a bit away from Caldari. People prefer speed or armor tanking and guns, which Caldari does not exactly excel at. Still, I went the Caldari Gun path, then switched to the missile boats. However, I'm thankful I did the gun route first. As I get more into PvP, I have the gun skills I need and I just added Minmitar Frigate and some armor skills to get a good start.
-1 to this.
just because you train caldari ships now does not mean you can't fly them now and use them in their appropriate roles whilst you train other ships.
some people are told caldari are bad at pvp and just believe it. others actually fly caldari in pvp, with success.
cruisers are your next step. Caracal or Moa. It's time to pick a medium weapon to specialize. Caracal = missiles, Moa = hybrids. Pick one and try it. If you don't like, do the other.
edit:to fix my fail quoting
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Khorsabad
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Posted - 2010.06.02 11:37:00 -
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Thanks for all the advice. I revamped my training que to learn more missle skills. I figure that along some time spent training sensor skills to increase range and decrease lock on time should pay off in the long run. Im about to head to start the Lv 1 Epic mission arch with the sisters of EVE. I have my destroyer to get me through and when Im done I hope Ill have the money to either buy or build my first cruiser. I appreciate your insights. Thanks and fly safe!
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Seraph Castillon Do not put too much training into mining if you don't want to actually be a miner. The time training a mining barge you could spend on further improving your combat options and thus being able to run higher level missions for more income. With the income mining currently gives you ... well, lets just say it's reserved for bots and isk farmers.
I would also like to second the fact that you should think twice about training battleship level skills. Alot can be achieved with strategic cruisers these days.
I agree that you dont neccessarily need BS skills anymore to do quite well in many disciplines. The only area that BS's are strictly required these days is in large fleet fights.
The caveat to this however is that at the moment strategic cruisers are more expensive than a BS, and more painful to lose.
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LordThyGod
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:48:00 -
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if you wanna go missiles go for it, but don't let anyone tell you rokh is worse at missions than a raven. I always out ran missions of any similarly sp'd raven in my corp for years. Even for belt ratting i would prefer my rokh over my tengu, however once you start running high end anomalies/plex's your gonna want the t3 ease of tanking and ganking at same time.
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Ruban Spangler
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse True Reign
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ruban Spangler on 04/06/2010 07:59:02
Originally by: Khorsabad I plan on mostly PVE .... For exploration I have a second destroyer equiped with probes, salvagers, mineing lasers, etc etc.
For now I would aim for a Drake as a medium term goal. Its a bit of a predictable choice but for a good reason. It is easy to fit and fly and will do an adequate job of PVE, PVP, wormholes and exploration (it's less good at mining). If you are just starting out try and balance your skills between weapons, tank and fitting. Just avoid training one set of skills immediately up to level 5 at the expense of all the others.
Edit - Forgot to mention that a BC is much much cheaper to buy and rig than a BS Bene Gesserit is recruiting. |
r3voo
No Limit Productions Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.06.04 14:21:00 -
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tengu is best ratting mission plex ship in the game. Getting over 1000 dps on my beast.
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