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Vladimiru
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Posted - 2010.06.02 02:56:00 -
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our alliance can build a 100 million ehp+ Aeon? Yeah sure there's dps loss, but I hear the Aeon can do more dps than a pod.
Aeon, 100 million ehp
Nyx, can only get 25 million ehp mixing armor and shields tanks, and that's overloading them too!
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NoNah
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Posted - 2010.06.02 03:03:00 -
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Oh hai there misterexaggeration...
Where the Aeon gets something like 55m EHP, the nyx gets 35m. Yes, they can both be increased from there by mainly gang bonuses, but they apply same to both ships. The 60% ratio will more or less remain(there's obviously some minor differences thanks to a larger portion of EHP being in hull and/or shield). Different tools for different jobs, while both ships can do eachothers jobs adequatly there can only be a single ship best for any single task. Parrots, commence!
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Vladimiru
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Posted - 2010.06.02 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Oh hai there misterexaggeration...
Where the Aeon gets something like 55m EHP, the nyx gets 35m. Yes, they can both be increased from there by mainly gang bonuses, but they apply same to both ships. The 60% ratio will more or less remain(there's obviously some minor differences thanks to a larger portion of EHP being in hull and/or shield). Different tools for different jobs, while both ships can do eachothers jobs adequatly there can only be a single ship best for any single task.
This is no exaggeration.
Go on eft mod, fit the following: Draclira's Modified EM Hardener, Draclira's Modified Thermic Hardener, Draclira's Kinetic EM Hardener, Draclira's Modified Explosive Hardener, Shaquil's Energized Adaptive Membrane x2, Damage Control II.
Three Large Trimark II rigs
Set skills and fleet bonuses to V. Overload the hardeners.
Oh look you have over a 100 million ehp.
Please show me how to get a Nyx to half of that (45 - 50 million)
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NoNah
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Posted - 2010.06.02 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimiru
Originally by: NoNah Oh hai there misterexaggeration...
Where the Aeon gets something like 55m EHP, the nyx gets 35m. Yes, they can both be increased from there by mainly gang bonuses, but they apply same to both ships. The 60% ratio will more or less remain(there's obviously some minor differences thanks to a larger portion of EHP being in hull and/or shield). Different tools for different jobs, while both ships can do eachothers jobs adequatly there can only be a single ship best for any single task.
This is no exaggeration.
Go on eft mod, fit the following: Draclira's Modified EM Hardener, Draclira's Modified Thermic Hardener, Draclira's Kinetic EM Hardener, Draclira's Modified Explosive Hardener, Shaquil's Energized Adaptive Membrane x2, Damage Control II.
Three Large Trimark II rigs
Set skills and fleet bonuses to V. Overload the hardeners.
Oh look you have over a 100 million ehp.
Please show me how to get a Nyx to half of that (45 - 50 million)
Something tells me this alliance of yours does not fit your aeons like that. In fact I'd be willing to wager pretty wildly it doesn't. But fine, I'll play along.
81 mil EHP nyx
Oh and ironicly, all those modules exist too! And yes, it's still a crap metric. (And notice how you doubled the possible EHP on a nyx from your first to your second post, why IS that mr exaggeration?) Parrots, commence!
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Vladimiru
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Posted - 2010.06.02 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Vladimiru
Originally by: NoNah Oh hai there misterexaggeration...
Where the Aeon gets something like 55m EHP, the nyx gets 35m. Yes, they can both be increased from there by mainly gang bonuses, but they apply same to both ships. The 60% ratio will more or less remain(there's obviously some minor differences thanks to a larger portion of EHP being in hull and/or shield). Different tools for different jobs, while both ships can do eachothers jobs adequatly there can only be a single ship best for any single task.
This is no exaggeration.
Go on eft mod, fit the following: Draclira's Modified EM Hardener, Draclira's Modified Thermic Hardener, Draclira's Kinetic EM Hardener, Draclira's Modified Explosive Hardener, Shaquil's Energized Adaptive Membrane x2, Damage Control II.
Three Large Trimark II rigs
Set skills and fleet bonuses to V. Overload the hardeners.
Oh look you have over a 100 million ehp.
Please show me how to get a Nyx to half of that (45 - 50 million)
Something tells me this alliance of yours does not fit your aeons like that. In fact I'd be willing to wager pretty wildly it doesn't. But fine, I'll play along.
81 mil EHP nyx
Oh and ironicly, all those modules exist too! And yes, it's still a crap metric. (And notice how you doubled the possible EHP on a nyx from your first to your second post, why IS that mr exaggeration?)
Um, that only gives 38 million ehp when overloaded, unless my eft is really bugged hard. That pic was probably photoshoped dude.
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2010.06.02 03:31:00 -
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Edited by: Rajere on 02/06/2010 03:30:52 No it just has gang bonuses from an Erebus and mindlinked Gang Bonus Legion (all lvl 5 of course).
Not that it matters cus here's a 150mil ehp aeon -------------------------- F5F5F5F5F5F5F5 |
Vladimiru
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Posted - 2010.06.02 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 02/06/2010 03:30:52 No it just has gang bonuses from an Erebus and mindlinked Gang Bonus Legion (all lvl 5 of course).
Not that it matters cus here's a 150mil ehp aeon
Right but anyone in their right minds would actually kill the Erebus first, so does that bonus really mean anything?
Nice pic though btw :)
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Jotobarina
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Posted - 2010.06.02 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimiru Right but anyone in their right minds would actually kill the Erebus first, so does that bonus really mean anything?
Aren't you a clever boy posting all by yourself.
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Kapse Locke
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.02 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kapse Locke on 02/06/2010 05:29:21
Reading this thread is like watching people contest who is the best air guitar player, but by replacing the guitar with maskurbation.
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Thuranni
Eldjotnar
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimiru
Originally by: NoNah Oh hai there misterexaggeration...
Where the Aeon gets something like 55m EHP, the nyx gets 35m. Yes, they can both be increased from there by mainly gang bonuses, but they apply same to both ships. The 60% ratio will more or less remain(there's obviously some minor differences thanks to a larger portion of EHP being in hull and/or shield). Different tools for different jobs, while both ships can do eachothers jobs adequatly there can only be a single ship best for any single task.
This is no exaggeration.
Go on eft mod, fit the following: Draclira's Modified EM Hardener, Draclira's Modified Thermic Hardener, Draclira's Kinetic EM Hardener, Draclira's Modified Explosive Hardener, Shaquil's Energized Adaptive Membrane x2, Damage Control II.
Three Large Trimark II rigs
Set skills and fleet bonuses to V. Overload the hardeners.
Oh look you have over a 100 million ehp.
Please show me how to get a Nyx to half of that (45 - 50 million)
Nope, a all officer fit for a Aeon isn't exaggerated at all.
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Vladimiru
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Thuranni
Originally by: Vladimiru
Originally by: NoNah Oh hai there misterexaggeration...
Where the Aeon gets something like 55m EHP, the nyx gets 35m. Yes, they can both be increased from there by mainly gang bonuses, but they apply same to both ships. The 60% ratio will more or less remain(there's obviously some minor differences thanks to a larger portion of EHP being in hull and/or shield). Different tools for different jobs, while both ships can do eachothers jobs adequatly there can only be a single ship best for any single task.
This is no exaggeration.
Go on eft mod, fit the following: Draclira's Modified EM Hardener, Draclira's Modified Thermic Hardener, Draclira's Kinetic EM Hardener, Draclira's Modified Explosive Hardener, Shaquil's Energized Adaptive Membrane x2, Damage Control II.
Three Large Trimark II rigs
Set skills and fleet bonuses to V. Overload the hardeners.
Oh look you have over a 100 million ehp.
Please show me how to get a Nyx to half of that (45 - 50 million)
Nope, a all officer fit for a Aeon isn't exaggerated at all.
You don't think people slap officer mods on their SUPERCARRIERS (used to be motherships)?
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:38:00 -
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Why are we comparing EHP with overloaded hardeners? How long will it even take you to drop 150M EHP anyway? Its 50,000 dread seconds at 3K DPS/dread (15 minutes at 50 dreads).
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
horrrus
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Why are we comparing EHP with overloaded hardeners? How long will it even take you to drop 150M EHP anyway? Its 50,000 dread seconds at 3K DPS/dread (15 minutes at 50 dreads).
-Liang
Eft warriors.
It gets even sillier when you factor in lag especially considering how bad it's been since Tyrannis. Losing your SC because lag wouldn't let you stop overheating and all your hardeners burnout would hilarious, for me at least.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: NoNah on 02/06/2010 14:10:00
Originally by: Vladimiru
You don't think people slap officer mods on their SUPERCARRIERS (used to be motherships)?
I do think very few slap shaqils eanm on them, yepp.
Originally by: Liang Nuren Why are we comparing EHP with overloaded hardeners? How long will it even take you to drop 150M EHP anyway? Its 50,000 dread seconds at 3K DPS/dread (15 minutes at 50 dreads).
-Liang
Truth to be told, I don't and didn't want to. I started explaining why it was such an obviously bad idea, but figured it doesn't really matter as long as they play on the same groudns it's just a percentual difference that... actually plays in the nyxes favour. So I scribbled the setup above down and rushed off to work.
I would still like to see the supposed 240 mil EHP aeon though(400% the ehp of a nyx), especially as in theory that relative figure should only grow as you enter the silly mods as the shield and hull parts diminish in relevance. Parrots, commence!
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:09:00 -
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Here's a silly notion.
Why not just limit the fit to T2 only, with no gang bonus's and then compare?
Why add all of the best mods and all of max bonus's to discuss this issue? Is the question "Why is the Aeon seemingly better than the Nyx"?
There we go. Discuss.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.06.02 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow Here's a silly notion.
Why not just limit the fit to T2 only, with no gang bonus's and then compare?
Why add all of the best mods and all of max bonus's to discuss this issue? Is the question "Why is the Aeon seemingly better than the Nyx"?
There we go. Discuss.
with t2 fits, the aeons extra low slot and res bonus, the aeon has 50% more ehp and 25% less dps.
50% is bigger than 25% so i guess the aeons better?
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Azshann
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow Here's a silly notion.
Why not just limit the fit to T2 only, with no gang bonus's and then compare?
Why add all of the best mods and all of max bonus's to discuss this issue? Is the question "Why is the Aeon seemingly better than the Nyx"?
There we go. Discuss.
Whenever you slap the same meta level mods on both supercarriers, you'll always see a 50-100% increase in ehp vs 25% increase in damage. The higher the meta level, the more the Aeon wins,
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Azshann
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Posted - 2010.06.03 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Azshann
Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow Here's a silly notion.
Why not just limit the fit to T2 only, with no gang bonus's and then compare?
Why add all of the best mods and all of max bonus's to discuss this issue? Is the question "Why is the Aeon seemingly better than the Nyx"?
There we go. Discuss.
Whenever you slap the same meta level mods on both supercarriers, you'll always see a 50-100% increase in ehp vs 25% increase in damage. The higher the meta level, the more the Aeon wins,
Holy crap, did I win the game! I beat EvE!
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Zin Zy
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Posted - 2010.06.03 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow Here's a silly notion.
Why not just limit the fit to T2 only, with no gang bonus's and then compare?
Why add all of the best mods and all of max bonus's to discuss this issue? Is the question "Why is the Aeon seemingly better than the Nyx"?
There we go. Discuss.
with t2 fits, the aeons extra low slot and res bonus, the aeon has 50% more ehp and 25% less dps.
50% is bigger than 25% so i guess the aeons better?
Don't compare two percentages that are in relation to different numbers. It give a wrong picture. If you have 100 DPS and 100,000 HP, increasing DPS by 50% and HP by 25% doesn't mean the DPS increase is "better" than the HP increase, does it?
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Tiberizzle
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Posted - 2010.06.03 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tiberizzle on 03/06/2010 08:03:18
Originally by: Zin Zy
Originally by: Dr Fighter
Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow Here's a silly notion.
Why not just limit the fit to T2 only, with no gang bonus's and then compare?
Why add all of the best mods and all of max bonus's to discuss this issue? Is the question "Why is the Aeon seemingly better than the Nyx"?
There we go. Discuss.
with t2 fits, the aeons extra low slot and res bonus, the aeon has 50% more ehp and 25% less dps.
50% is bigger than 25% so i guess the aeons better?
Don't compare two percentages that are in relation to different numbers. It give a wrong picture. If you have 100 DPS and 100,000 HP, increasing DPS by 50% and HP by 25% doesn't mean the DPS increase is "better" than the HP increase, does it?
If no other ships are involved and ignoring regen, then in fact it does mean the DPS increase is better. This is because they are in relation to the same quantity. DPS is HP/s of damage.
edit: basically the exact opposite of what you posted. you win at failing.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.06.03 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zin Zy
Originally by: Dr Fighter
Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow Here's a silly notion.
Why not just limit the fit to T2 only, with no gang bonus's and then compare?
Why add all of the best mods and all of max bonus's to discuss this issue? Is the question "Why is the Aeon seemingly better than the Nyx"?
There we go. Discuss.
with t2 fits, the aeons extra low slot and res bonus, the aeon has 50% more ehp and 25% less dps.
50% is bigger than 25% so i guess the aeons better?
Don't compare two percentages that are in relation to different numbers. It give a wrong picture. If you have 100 DPS and 100,000 HP, increasing DPS by 50% and HP by 25% doesn't mean the DPS increase is "better" than the HP increase, does it?
you win the thread well done.
its shocking to think that the super carriers follow the same sort of rules as the rest of their classes of ships.
Gall vs amarr tends to always be higher dps vs higher tank, so really no supprises here.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.03 10:15:00 -
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Because hitpoints are only relevant if they're shooting at you, where damage output is relevant when you're shooting at them.
The latter case happens more often.
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empire hauler
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Posted - 2010.06.03 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus Because hitpoints are only relevant if they're shooting at you, where damage output is relevant when you're shooting at them.
The latter case happens more often.
it took 22 posts for smone to tell the state of things as it is. up to this post i see wet dreams of mom-on-mom 1v1 action...
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kingofallgimps
Minmatar 11th Gimp Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.03 11:21:00 -
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Jesus H. Christ.
They're different ships.
Aeon has a resist bonus, nyx damage. you want higher resists: get an aeon. You want higher damage: Nyx.
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.06.03 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: kingofallgimps Jesus H. Christ.
They're different ships.
Aeon has a resist bonus, nyx damage. you want higher resists: get an aeon. You want higher damage: Nyx.
FFS end this shocking excuse for a thread already.
This.
P.S If its a whine thread that X ship sucks compared to Y ship - then make it clear ffs.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.03 13:18:00 -
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I too fit mods that don't exist in game such as Luthor Veron's Tachyons and Shaquil's EANMs to ships in EFT I've got no concept of actually flying in game.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.03 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: kingofallgimps Jesus H. Christ.
They're different ships.
Aeon has a resist bonus, nyx damage. you want higher resists: get an aeon. You want higher damage: Nyx.
FFS end this shocking excuse for a thread already.
indeed.
it's also a matter of aesthetics.
I mean, do you prefer the organic and beautiful Nyx or the archon-oversized-bestower crossover that is the Aeon? ---
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.06.03 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: kingofallgimps Jesus H. Christ.
They're different ships.
Aeon has a resist bonus, nyx damage. you want higher resists: get an aeon. You want higher damage: Nyx.
FFS end this shocking excuse for a thread already.
indeed.
it's also a matter of aesthetics.
I mean, do you prefer the organic and beautiful Nyx or the archon-oversized-bestower crossover that is the Aeon?
bais much?
could be alot worse *cough hel cough*
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.03 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: kingofallgimps Jesus H. Christ.
They're different ships.
Aeon has a resist bonus, nyx damage. you want higher resists: get an aeon. You want higher damage: Nyx.
FFS end this shocking excuse for a thread already.
indeed.
it's also a matter of aesthetics.
I mean, do you prefer the organic and beautiful Nyx or the archon-oversized-bestower crossover that is the Aeon?
bais much?
could be alot worse *cough hel cough*
c'mon, the Hel is awesome looking.
too bad it sucks on the rest tho ---
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Gh0st Rid3r
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Posted - 2010.06.04 08:21:00 -
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get them both
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