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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:19:00 -
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The hate comes from...
Promises of great things were made...none were delivered and the broke things from Dominion are still pretty much broken. THAT is called "development resource managment".
/sarcasm off.
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Kyusoath Orillian
Haters Gonna Hate
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kyusoath Orillian on 04/06/2010 16:30:20 what i did like about this expansion is apart from a few ccp ball lickers, everyone is united in hate against ccp. posts that might be called 'trolling' are no longer trolling but just rage at the ineptitude of ccp.
fianlly a lot of players are getting what i, and a lot of other players have seen for a while, CCP don't seem to know what they are doing or care about the people who allow them to live in the relative luxury they enjoy. and the worst thing is the LIES. go look at the fanfest presentation. hear what they have to say about it, hear the promises. then go to sisi and see what they delivered.
fanboys will talk of 'this is just the first step!' well the next step better be ****ing huge then. where is the 'next step' for faction warfare ? remember that ccp , another expansion major feature that you can't seem to remember ?
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Hemp Invader
GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Hemp Invader on 04/06/2010 16:35:50 Want some "cheese" to go with your "whine"?
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:42:00 -
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"A picture is worth a thousand words".
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Jypsie
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Posted - 2010.06.04 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian
i will take the time to tell you why you are wrong.
if want some EMP M i could mine the minerals and then build it, and my isk cost is just the fees for manufacturing job, so it costs virtually nothing right ? you lose.
it costs whatever you could sell the minerals for. often it makes more financial sense to sell the minerals and buy the EMP M instead of using your own minerals. a lot of people in eve have made a fortune by knowing the cost per unit of an item and the mineral worth(the cost at current prices of the minerals in the item). if you produce your cheap EMP M and sell it cheaply cos those minerals you got didn't cost any isk, someone can buy that and reprocess it and sell the minerals for more than the 'cost' of that cheap emp m.
its just as true if you don't sell the item you make (eg EMP M) , it has a worth exactly the same. so the minerals it took to make it, however you get thm are worth the same.(what they sell for).
of course theres room for scamming and market manipulation(thanks to those guys in hek that buy my scourge HM at 22000 each cos its ammo right? its cheap you don't need to look at the price.) but dirty tricks do not change the fundamental worth of the materials used to build it.
funny thing is i like people that think that there minerals are somehow cheaper because they mined them, because i buy their **** in the millions and sell it in the billions.
x
Apparently you won't take the time to read and comprehend a one line post.
He said "pay the middleman mark-up."
He didn't say crap about free minerals or costs virtually nothing.
Jackass.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2010.06.04 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn It was supposed to be more than it is.
tis merely the beginning not the finished oak tree.
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JitaBum
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.06.04 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ehranavaar
Originally by: Crumplecorn It was supposed to be more than it is.
tis merely the beginning not the finished oak tree.
How many times have we been told THAT before
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Ekrid
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Posted - 2010.06.04 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ekrid on 04/06/2010 17:46:37
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Originally by: Crumplecorn It was supposed to be more than it is.
Largely this, but there is also the "we will whine about anything" factor we need to take into account, as well as the "this expansion doesn't personally tickle me" Quorum, and, of course, the "CCP ate my baby" crowd.
If CCP continue to develop PI, it has potential but if it's left in a half-completed state - like FW is - then the disappointment will continue.
this. why put in new crap you're going to abandoned if you haven t fixed the old crap you've abandoned. its a preemptive strike against future CCP incompetence based on a strong history of it. Also, I didn't ask for PI, I don't care about it, yet by paying a sub Im putting money ino the pot for them to produce it. you know what I want them to produce? More and intelligent interface options, maybe a revamp. Rocket fixes. Assault Frigate fixes. the constant crashes fixed. Faction Warfare fixed and not left to rot. just a few things I would love having my percentage of money going towards, but no, they're doing PI to support DUST which is also a game I couldnt give a **** about. So they're taking money from Eve players to support DUST.
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.06.04 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian Edited by: Kyusoath Orillian on 04/06/2010 16:30:20 what i did like about this expansion is apart from a few ccp ball lickers, everyone is united in hate against ccp. posts that might be called 'trolling' are no longer trolling but just rage at the ineptitude of ccp.
This. I have never seen the forums so united. Through the various changes I've seen over the years, NOS nerf, nano nerf, drone bandwidth introduction, Myrm and Eos nerf, 'Save our Carriers' campaign, the Mother Ship fiasco, each one has had endless posts arguing to and fro about the drawbacks/benefits of each change. PI on the other hand is almost universally condemned.
Only the fanatic Eve fanbois (and you have to be a real fanatic to find anything good about PI) are defending it, and even then they are basing their defence on there being 'more to come' regardless of CCPs poor record in this regard.
I hope CCP are listening ------------------------------------
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.04 20:20:00 -
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points down to my sig
now let me be say this unequivicaly
Its a total, Gigantic, Putrid, Rancid Pile of crap compared to virtualy EVERY Resouce management game out there including all of the Evony clones, almost any game you can name on facebook, and Ogame.
Bascialy im sittig here the wondering how the hell they came up with this pile of dung in the ammount of time it took them from before anouncine it untill they put it on the live servers, and just what the hell they were doing all this time.
yes you can make poses with it. but in design and execution its kind of like being tazered over again just to get to that point.
*.* *.* *.* *.* *.* *.* *.* *.* a (Long) Guide to Pi
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.04 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ehranavaar
Originally by: Crumplecorn It was supposed to be more than it is.
tis merely the beginning not the finished oak tree.
Welcome to the last 5 expansions where this was claimed, yet never done anything with the oak tree.
Like crumple said, CCP made us all happy pandas with all kind of fascinating stuff you could do with PI, like they did with many other stuff, and then they release something that consists of 4 different dots and lines between them.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.06.04 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Spaceman Jack I have to admit - I did not see the intrigue of PI at first. Seemed like a version of Farmville in EVE.
But after seeing what you can produce with it, as a T2 producer and POS owner - I was floored.
PI gives allainces the ability to produce an amazing variety of items, including T2 items, with MUCH LESS dependence on traveling to Empire. No need to go to empire for POS parts and fule, Sov parts and fule, T2 base components sold by NPC market.
As an alliance, makes 0.0 that much more self sustaining. As as a T2 inventor and producer, it just potentilly reduced my out of pocket expenses by at least 15%
How all we need to so is open up more stations to trade. What is to hate?
Every single point you've made is exactly why PI is horrible. Less dependence upon transport of materials back and forth between empire and 0.0 just means less opportunity for combat, which is bad for everybody.
The more self contained and perfectly efficient each entity becomes, the more stagnant the game is. WTZ ruined a large part of PVP opportunities, PI will only further this problem.
Self sustaining anything is bad. PI is bad. Carebears are bad. -
Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. |
Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
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Posted - 2010.06.04 21:39:00 -
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I think one issue is that CCP doesn't want to create Sim City In Space, and Sim City In Space is pretty much what players (maybe not all, but certainly myself and definitely a lot of others) actually want. Connect the dots is fine if it's a small part of a bigger feature, but as of right now, it's the only part of the feature.
There's no tyranny in Tyrannis. __________
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.06.04 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Flamewave There's no tyranny in Tyrannis.
I wasn't aware of any content, let alone tyranny. ------------------------------------
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Administrator Burns
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Posted - 2010.06.05 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Spaceman Jack What is to hate?
There isnt much in it hold the attention of anti-social players so they come to the forums and be anti-social here.
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Culmen
Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.06.05 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Stupid McStupidson
Originally by: Rawr Cristina you know all that stuff in the fanfest vid we were teased about like districts and trade agreements and population management etc? and then seeing how it actually turned out?
THAT is why
Plus past history tells us that after Tyrannis, the PI content will never be touched again.
This really.
Remember the promise for the expansion of factional warfare as a revitalization of Low Sec? Or most recently the promise of "Treaties" for 0.0 in Dominion.
They were making promises that didn't even remotely appear up till the teaser trailer. Remember "Rule with Benevolence or Ruthless Tyranny"?
We aren't ruling at all, we're mining with a different type of strip miner. and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Circumstantial Evidence
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Posted - 2010.06.05 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus Every single point you've made is exactly why PI is horrible. Less dependence upon transport of materials back and forth between empire and 0.0 just means less opportunity for combat, which is bad for everybody.
PI may make 0.0 a bit more self sustaining, but, it will also give 0.0 dwellers new reasons to haul things to empire. Highsec won't be able to produce on the scale of 0.0, 0.0 dwellers ought to make better isk selling in highsec, and rule that market.
People generally and everywhere will be hauling piles of goo around, because you can't make P4's on just one planet type, and I suspect very few unknown space (wormhole) systems have a complete planet selection.
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Quin'gan
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Posted - 2010.06.05 11:14:00 -
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But, if anyone can make it anywhere, who will buy the stuff?
I will buy the end products, as one of the few im sure - i play this game for flying spaceships, not for playing a watered down simcity.
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