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Mors Morde
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Posted - 2010.06.06 06:53:00 -
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First of, i've seen lots of old stories about people actually making profit in low sec space, solo pirating with a t1 frigate. Is this still viable? And fun?
If not, what is a profitable and fun PvP activity? Preferably something that you can get into with just a t1 frigate, and move up from there. Probably "up" as in t2 frigates, in my case. Also, preferably something that doesn't take an enormous amount of active time investment. I'm in college with a job and a girlfriend, so i usually only play while my girlfriend is at work and i don't have any homework and am not working. So not much.
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Mr Blue
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.06 07:30:00 -
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fun? Yes I guess. Profitable? Its like asking if its profitable to play poker. whatever u fly just improves ure ods, but in the end u always need some luck to find the profitable targets.
Also I cant say anything about your piloting skills ect. Your oppents piloting skills. So u will never get a "true" answer.
Only issue I got with frigs is that you limit your alrdy very limited targets in low sec.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.06.06 07:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ran Khanon on 06/06/2010 07:34:08 Solo pvp for profits ...
Maybe;
Highsec mission and miner baiting by flipping cans and killing them if they aggress (There are quite a few people who do this for a living) It can get tedious though, I suppose.
Or Factional Warfare; doing FW missions in lowsec to gain nice amounts of LP to spend on FW faction bs's (and hope you get some pvp while you are at it). I heard of people making loads of isk with this.
Empire wardecs on juicy industrial targets but you need a corp for that. You might be able to ransom them to drop the wardec. Goes well with pos bashing but that is not really a solo activity.
Roaming 0.0 / W-Space / Lowsec and hoping to get lucky.
edit: There is also infiltrating a corp and crashing their mission/mining party with your gank ship.
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devilsspawn
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Posted - 2010.06.06 07:50:00 -
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PvP in low sec can be profitable if you get lucky. There have been a few times where I have killed a hauler with goodies in it, such as POS's, and once i even got a hauler that dropped a nighthawk that it had JUST bought from an alliance mate.
It is really hit and miss with it.. It depends mostly on your skill and luck. If you fly a ship very well, and are very good with it, then chances are, you will make more ISK with it. However, you also stand the chance of getting ganked....
Ganking is pretty common nowadays...
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2010.06.06 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Yakov Draken on 06/06/2010 09:27:37 Fun, profitable, solo pvp is a big ask. The frigate approach works for Tuskers but I find the narrow range of targets frustrating.
You can make a lot of isk probing down mission runners in low sec mission hubs but it is not that much fun. Fun generally involves risk taking which makes it less profitable.
If you are part of a good team and make sensible choices of what to fly (T1 ships helps) you can make isk as a group of pirates and still be fairly aggressive. Heaps of scouts is a big one and RR works a treat as when you win you generally don't lose anything.
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eviwyn
Caldari Hellcats HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.06.06 11:25:00 -
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Living from lowsec piracy is possible. It never is easy to keep up the money just by messing with people. But it is possible if you manage to fly not too expensive. If you wanna get into the big stuffs then you will need some outside activities but you can all integrate that into each other if you play a bit with ideas. So I gues it all depends on what you want really..
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CyberRaver
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2010.06.06 12:14:00 -
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1, train for a typhoon 2, get a friend to scan haulers moving through a 0.6 or lower system 3, suicide a hauler carrying a few billion 3, hope some of it survives, and steal the shinies 4, profit?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.06.06 15:27:00 -
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ninja salvaging in low sec.
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SoC Darkord
Minmatar Silentium Mortalitas Mortal Destruction
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Posted - 2010.06.06 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: CyberRaver 1, train for a typhoon 2, get a friend to scan haulers moving through a 0.6 or lower system 3, suicide a hauler carrying a few billion 3, hope some of it survives, and steal the shinies 4, profit?
1, train for a typhoon 2, get an alt to scan haulers moving through a 0.6 or lower system 3, suicide a hauler carrying a few billion 4, hope some of it survives, and steal the shinies 5, profit?
fixed it for you cyber :D
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Raelyf
The Bastards
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Posted - 2010.06.06 16:42:00 -
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I make my isk pretty well exclusively through PVP, and fly solo most of the time. It's completely possible.
Doing it in a t1 frig is easy and profitable, however you'll really only make enough isk to keep you flying t1 frigs. Your targets are just too few, too far between and not very valuable. If you really wanna go this route, or start by this route, inties are fantastic targets which are easy to kill and typically t2 fit. The only other real possible targets are other frigs, and if they're t1 fit you get almost no profit while if they're t2 fit they'll typically kill you.
My advice: Join a pirate corp which puts an emphasis on making isk through pvp. Even if you solo 90% of the time (which I do) you really want to be able to call in support when you need it for high value targets and such.
I'd pretty strongly suggest moving up from frigates or something semi-nano like hurricanes and ruptures. This will broaden your targets to pretty much anything sub BS, and if you choose carefully and stay out of web range you can pretty much always get out when things go south.
Mission busting and ransoms are a big, low risk isk maker. To do it properly though, you really need a prober, a tackler and a dps. You can combine some or all roles, but not cheaply.
tl,dr; Join a pirate corp.
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BobboAmarr
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Posted - 2010.06.06 16:44:00 -
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A.EMO TJ B.Badger C.??? E.Profit
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Soliscout
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Posted - 2010.06.06 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Raelyf I make my isk pretty well exclusively through PVP, and fly solo most of the time. It's completely possible.
stopped reading here
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z0de
The Bastards The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.06.06 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Soliscout
Originally by: Raelyf I make my isk pretty well exclusively through PVP, and fly solo most of the time. It's completely possible.
stopped reading here
http://the-bastards.com/ransom/ á á
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Soliscout
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Posted - 2010.06.07 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: z0de
Originally by: Soliscout
Originally by: Raelyf I make my isk pretty well exclusively through PVP, and fly solo most of the time. It's completely possible.
stopped reading here
http://the-bastards.com/ransom/
there it says:
Monthly average ransom: 162,500,000 ISK
Nice...you can make that amount in a few hours doing missions, or 1,5 days mining in highsec, or tradinga few items, or one successful scam
but that amount as a monthly average of income is...well
PATHETIC
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z0de
The Bastards The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.06.07 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: z0de on 07/06/2010 00:47:21 That the average payout per ransom this month. so far we've made 325m in ransoms and its only the 7th. Its not a huge income but its a fun income. Also doesn't include pos ransoms, pass sales, loot sales, singing ransoms, taking over the sites once we've ransomed people in them etc
Op asked if you can profit from pvp and you certainly can. á á
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Raelyf
The Bastards
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Posted - 2010.06.07 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Soliscout
Nice...you can make that amount in a few hours doing missions, or 1,5 days mining in highsec, or tradinga few items, or one successful scam
but that amount as a monthly average of income is...well
PATHETIC
I sure could! Then again, I play EVE to have fun not to grind isk. I've done level 4 missions, way back when, and I'd rather pvp in t1 fit t1 frigs forever than go back and do that again. I make more than enough doing piracy to pay for me to continue to do piracy and keep a decent stock of shiny ships in my hangar for when I feel like something a little extra.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.06.07 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/06/2010 02:47:26 I made, give or take a few hundred, about 7 billion net after losses/expenses/stuff, but most of it is sunk into shiny toys, only 1.25B in cash.
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Seurimas
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Posted - 2010.06.07 03:00:00 -
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I believe the general consensus is: Yes, but it may be slower than the more boring activities.
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Wallymarts
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Posted - 2010.06.07 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Wallymarts on 07/06/2010 10:51:45 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=10501822
Thats profitable right there. The control tower goes for an easy 600 mil :)
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Naxias
Pod Liberation Authority
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Raelyf I make my isk pretty well exclusively through PVP, and fly solo most of the time. It's completely possible.
Doing it in a t1 frig is easy and profitable, however you'll really only make enough isk to keep you flying t1 frigs. Your targets are just too few, too far between and not very valuable. If you really wanna go this route, or start by this route, inties are fantastic targets which are easy to kill and typically t2 fit. The only other real possible targets are other frigs, and if they're t1 fit you get almost no profit while if they're t2 fit they'll typically kill you.
My advice: Join a pirate corp which puts an emphasis on making isk through pvp. Even if you solo 90% of the time (which I do) you really want to be able to call in support when you need it for high value targets and such.
I'd pretty strongly suggest moving up from frigates or something semi-nano like hurricanes and ruptures. This will broaden your targets to pretty much anything sub BS, and if you choose carefully and stay out of web range you can pretty much always get out when things go south.
Mission busting and ransoms are a big, low risk isk maker. To do it properly though, you really need a prober, a tackler and a dps. You can combine some or all roles, but not cheaply.
tl,dr; Join a pirate corp.
Raelyf is wise. If you are experienced and you fly T1 you should break even or make a profit. Say your kill ratio is 10:1 and of those 10 kills half are from decent ships of a similar class. The math is obvious and you are in the black.
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Kajan Tormen
Minmatar Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.18 08:16:00 -
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profitable PvP is quite possible. Fly solo or in very small groups (so you don't have to split the loot/ransoms too much). Fly cheapish (T1 ships with mostly T2 fittings).
Will it be stellar profits? of course not. But enough to keep you in ships to continue doing what you do.
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Napolie
Gallente The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:50:00 -
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Profitable PvP is possible but you are sure as hell not going to be rich (unless you hit a jackpot) and you need to fly relativly cheap ships (And not suck at PvP).
I highly reccomend running T1 Cruisers and BC's since they give you the widest target range for the lowest price.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.18 11:25:00 -
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As stated here making isk with piracy is clearly possible, I do it myself. Its not stellar if your only income in piracy, but its certanly possible. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Urn Keller
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:26:00 -
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If you do it for the good fights, it can be way fun. As realyf said, popping interceptors in T1 frigs can be very profitable. A rail incursus will set you back ~4 mil ISKs for a T2 fit a bit more for a rifter, you'll make about that much on average from an inty. Try to minimize loss potential too. Don't carry 12000 rounds of ammo (in said rail incursus, I put 250 spares), don't carry nanite paste if docking post-fight is an option, etc. T1 frigs are very hit or miss. AFs can be very hard to impossible.
Thrasher can be a great frig killer too.
Shield-gank fitted rupture is a nice ship. Owns anything frig sized (or at least makes it out alive). A lot cheaper then the trimark/plate fit. Shield-gank cane is basically the same ship with 4 extra modules (2 guns, 1 shield mod, 1 gyro, 2 med neut instead of med+small, that's it) and amazing value.
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Rouge Drone
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:10:00 -
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Solo pvp and low sec piracy used to be insanely profitable but over years those parts of the game have been really neglected to the point where they've virtually been patched out.
I think your only hope of cutting a profit without relying on other people is to probe out mission runners or to gate camp for haulers in something cheap but effective like a t1 fitted rax or rupture. The belts might be dead but there will always be stupid people with haulers using gates they shouldn't.
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Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mors Morde First of, i've seen lots of old stories about people actually making profit in low sec space, solo pirating with a t1 frigate. Is this still viable? And fun?
If not, what is a profitable and fun PvP activity? Preferably something that you can get into with just a t1 frigate, and move up from there. Probably "up" as in t2 frigates, in my case. Also, preferably something that doesn't take an enormous amount of active time investment. I'm in college with a job and a girlfriend, so i usually only play while my girlfriend is at work and i don't have any homework and am not working. So not much.
Not very likely now since the faction ship patch. Now 1 out of every 2 frigs you see will be a Dramiel. IF you do manage to find a target you can take solo in a t1 frig, it'll probably be a nub, will be trash fitted and you'll wonder why you bothered to turn on your scram.
Also, falcon alts.
As people have already said, it can be done- just not in a t1 frig unless you come across something that differs from the current status quo.
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Capita List
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Posted - 2010.06.19 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Capita List on 19/06/2010 16:50:12 Depends on how well you select your targets, how patient you are, how well you fit your ship (given a budget), and most importantly: where you choose to pirate.
You -can- make a tidy profit using t1 ships(frigs probably aren't your best choice, i'd reccomend a cruiser hull at minmum) and ransoming/popping indies and more expensive pve fits in some areas. That being said, it's a waiting game, and unless you're easily amused by chatting in local/corp or something else while you wait, you'll find yourself taking on higher risk targets and loosing as much or more than your gains. However, if you're like me and you're just out to hunt and have fun, profit is the last thing on your mind until the wallet gets really empty.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.06.19 18:14:00 -
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Ransoming would be profitable but people ruin that by dishonoring them.
Years ago, real "pirate" players found a balance of ransoming, target selection, and tactics to profit. But now it's people just killing everything that moves and there is no profit in that.
The only profit coming from PVP is the alt of the PVP'er mining or mission running in high sec.
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Andrea Skye
Caldari The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Andrea Skye on 19/06/2010 20:21:46 I've been pretty much breaking even past few weeks, but i fly nano ALOT (nano gila, vaga, huginn etc). I rarely die and do manage to get some decent kills.
Ransom Pods whenever its possible (or non combat ****s that are expensive ie: frieghters. Most of the time i just ending up sploding them tho)
Whenever I step in a battleship however... i get blobbed and wrecked and due to ****ty insurance... thats the only way i lose isk now.
So my advice to you is, learn to nano. Specialise for it, and you will barely break even.
Profit is overated.
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Naxias
Pod Liberation Authority
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Posted - 2010.06.19 21:29:00 -
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Fully 100% of my income comes from PvP. You make a sustainable stream from killing other PvP ships. You get rich by killing the odd faction-fitted ship or the fool in a hauler, e.g., death.
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