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Andrea Skye
Caldari The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.01 12:09:00 -
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Few steps to being a none blinky PvP'r!
- Get sum tiny balls. - Sit on the high sec gate smacking everyone in local, then jump out when trouble shows up. - ONLY EVER FIGHT ON GATES - Bring logistics and falcons to every fight. You dont want to lose a ship. - Always outumumber your enemy 5-1. You dont want a fight, just a killmail. - If you want be even more awesome, join faction war.
OR!
Scrap all that. Grow a pair. Shoot anything that moves and become a pirate.
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Doddy
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.01 15:14:00 -
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Pirates is generally considered Non-censentual pvp for gain in low security space though technically high sec ganking is piracy too.
War decs, faction warfare and 0.0 warfare are the same in essence but not considered piracy as they are outside concord jurisdiction. The faction warfare and some war decs (like red vs blue) are consentual pvp and might be more up your street.
Outside of the above your only real way to pvp is as an anti-pirate where you are acting in self defence. Good luck with that.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:16:00 -
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You shouldn't worry about "making other people's day worse" if you are shooting at stuff where concord doesn't exist, people that leave highsec know the risk they are taking and in most cases just want to shoot at stuff themselves.
And yes, you will die a lot, keep in mind 90% of the time you find some random person to shoot at they will have friends hiding just off grid, and you will more than likely lose.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Nef'Ayr
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:44:00 -
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If you want solo PvP then Red vs. Blue is your best bet. You could try low-sec, and probably have some fun, but it'll be harder and take longer to do it.
If you really want to PvP, and don't like pirates, find an anti-pirate corp/alliance to join. PvP is way more fun with a group.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.01 18:02:00 -
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Pvp is also fun if you find a random group of people shooting at eachother and start shooting at everyone :P
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Endoxa Corporation
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Posted - 2010.07.02 06:42:00 -
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To PeeWeePee without being a pirate: Do NOT wear an eye-patch, Do NOT have a peg-leg, Do NOT have a parrot and/or monkey on your shoulder, Do NOT say "Yarr!" or "Ahoy tharr!", Do NOT have your ships called a variation on "Jolly Roger".
Avoid any of the above, and you too can enjoy scurvy-free PeeWeePee!
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Scorpionidae
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Posted - 2010.07.02 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: zombiedeadhead zombiedeadhead
Why did you quite the Tuskers again?
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Wolfcheck
Pack o' Wolves
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Posted - 2010.07.02 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rin Vires PvP = Player vs player. If the guys at Red are players, and the guys at Blue are players. Then it is PvP. Your confusing what you think PvP should be with reality.
By your definition, two six years old playing with stick swords is a Pas d'Arme or a Tourney.
PvP *in EVE* is not just 1vs1 or get to shoot at another player. It's ambushes, neutral reppers, gate-hugging. It's baiting, getting the drop, calling for help. It's banter, insults. It's weird fits.
You're right that RvsB is technically pvp... but it's CONSENSUAL. While the vast majority of EVE's PvP is not necessarily consensual, nor fair, nor "honourable", nor balanced. You're having your experience in a controlled environment.
Quote: In fact, it might even be more "PvP" than pirating. At least both sides shoot at eachother. You can't say the same thing about ganking a hauler or miner. I know internet spaceships is srs business, but some people just like some light pew pew every now and then.
Agreed on that.
JMNERHO.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2010.07.04 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Napolie
Originally by: Pesht Now, I realize the definition of pirate here could be under debate, but in this situation, I'm using the term pirate loosely to mean anyone who attacks someone else for no reason other than their own enjoyment.
You know... I really love this part here "No other reason then their own enjoyment" isnt that something that holds true for all pvpers? Or are anti-pirates, 0.0 folks, general warbears and other tossers some sort of masochistic breed wich pvps since they find it to be royal pain?
Hello, I see you have trouble understanding written text. I'm here to help!
The key words in the sentence you quoted are "No other". See, in addition to their own enjoyment, they seek PvP which also satisfies their moral stance.
Most people draw the line somewhere. I would never go after empire bears myself, never lie or trick people into a trap through lies, and until CCP fixes the security rating system (it should go UP, when you attack negative sec rating people, not down) anti-pie isn't for me, and by now I hate local anyways. Nullsec I feel demands too big entities to achieve something, and I prefer small gang, as in 5 vs 5.
W-space is the obvious choice for me, as I can rationalize attacks on PvE'ers by it actually having a tiny effect on market value of w-space goods, which is the business of my corp. I admit it's a rather arbitrary distinction between using the same justification for attacking k-space activities like mining or plexing or missionrunners/lp value, but the scale (of contributors to market) being so much smaller in w-space is actually what allowed me to circumvent my moral block. That, and it's nullsec, so it should be expected by all.
But I now, one year+ later, admit it's more of a rationalization because the difference isn't that big. Worked for me though \o/ maybe it can work for someone else
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.07.04 09:40:00 -
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Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 04/07/2010 09:41:26
Originally by: Gaven Darklighter how is it a moral dilemma? This is merely a game... right?
Actually, your brain doesn't know the difference between fake and real. Your conscious self might understand it intellectually, but the synapses that go to "be a **** and kill someone to make them cry" get fired and grooved deeper into use, just like a dirt road. Look at actors. Take the brokeback mountain guy who OD'd after playing the joker.
No wonder right? I mean, he plays an villain with an extremely singular (read psychotic, since anything that doesnt conform to the general population's belief or reality is psychosis by definition, which I think is stupid but moving on..) viewpoint on reality and simply wants to make hell on earth for everyone, and then off's himself after. He played a drug addict in his career defining role in whatever movie that was. and we are surprised he became it? They spend 100's of hours pretending to be anyone else but themselves. Take Tom cruise.
He seems like a regular actor guy in all movies until you see him jumping off sofas and reciting the scientology as if he were brainwashed. The easiest people to impress with ideas and values are people with little to no foundation of their own. Its not much wonder they all trade around and have 50 ex-spouses when they arent even themselves half the time.
Every action that is performed, every situation the brain is in, has an effect. The brain doesn't know whats real and whats not. They have studied this and found overwhelming evidence for this theory's efficacy.
Remember, practice makes perfect, because neurons get trimmed when they're no longer of use, or strengthened when they are of use. the more neurons fire for well performed actions, the more neurons that look for another avenue are trimmed, leading to better performance and so on in a cycle. So if you only have neurons in your head of how to be a **** to people, yeah, what will you get?
the amount of practicing not being one to people has to equal the amount you do practice being one, at the least. otherwise its a losing battle. Look at how the forums have degraded over 5 years, and yet its not that Eve online lost its niche status. its that we are constantly exposing ourselves to "tough luck, its a dark unforgiving game" and "piracy" and "smacktalk". Is it a wonder the forums have become like whats in the game?
Originally by: Ran Khanon Yeah, FW sounds nice but there isn't any non-consensual pvp involved; so no moral issues there I suspect.
Alternatively join a pvp focussed corp with people who don't have your deeply developed sense of altruism. That is what I did. If you do this your perception shifts from "Killing innocent people which I feel a little bad about" to "I am glad to help my friends out." It's the basic psychological trick to get people to shoot at other people in real life armies as well. I hope this helped :)
why oh why is there no /puke smiley? Since when does simply not wanting to be a **** to everyone equate to altruism? No wonder the worlds going to hell.. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
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Mr Wess
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Posted - 2010.07.04 11:15:00 -
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Kill pirates, you can easily find them by flashy signs, they drop good loot and will comply with your policy. They'll never send you hate mails.
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Niveon
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Posted - 2010.07.04 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Niveon on 04/07/2010 11:21:17
Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Proof or STFU. Surely by that logic no one's particulary nice, they're just repeating what mindset they're set into, it's not a decision any more. |
Nanita Imlae
Gallente Original Sin.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 04/07/2010 09:41:26 Actually, your brain doesn't know the difference between fake and real.
Yeah confirming that I just ganked a miner down the road, shouting in local, "hehe sucker", before I did a logoffski.
As you said, my brain can't tell the difference between fake and real.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.04 15:19:00 -
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Quote: How do you pvp without being a pirate?
Don't feel sorry after killing.
... Join M. Corp, see the Galaxy |
Obyrith
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Posted - 2010.07.04 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Niveon Edited by: Niveon on 04/07/2010 11:21:17
Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Proof or STFU. Surely by that logic no one's particulary nice, they're just repeating what mindset they're set into, it's not a decision any more.
That's the basis of a lot of psychological theory, yes. It's pretty clear where the confusion comes from if you sit yourself down and attempt to define what "making a decision" consists of in biochemical terms.
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.07.04 16:25:00 -
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Due to Eves sec status system, you pretty much are limited to "consensual" pvp unless you want to become a pirate. Faction war, RvB (which is a lot of fun, no matter who calls it "real" pvp) corp wars, canbaiting, etc., so you do not get hammered by sec status loss every time you kill something. Even piracy isnt bad, however, provided you dont pod too much.
Or, just be a pirate. Be warned...it is 99% boredom and 1% fun. But you can shoot the pods. Theyre full of candy. Being red is kinda fun, actually, its quite a relief. You dont have to wonder if the other people in system are out to get you; you know they are, every last one of 'em.
Oh, and ekrid, you are indeed an idiot. Space is fun! |
Elben Tsort
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Posted - 2010.07.04 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 rabblerabblerabble
Explain why Kirk Douglas only rarely wears a loin cloth.
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Hector Biggz
Devious Decorum Crazy Rainbow Attack Ponies
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Griffin I have met a lot of people who like PvP in low sec, but many of them aren't pirates.
Being a pirate is a state of mind.
The term pirate is a little dramatic for me. I don't rely on loot for isk. Ransoming is a PIA. Grief and tears is what motivates me and I prefer my criminal concord status to be labeled as Outlaw.
/me Fluffs my E-Peen.
Come to low sec the fights will find you and you wont have to worry about being the aggressor.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Elben Tsort
Originally by: 1Ekrid1 rabblerabblerabble
Explain why Kirk Douglas only rarely wears a loin cloth.
1. Ummmm. Isn't he 80 years old now? I'm pretty glad he's "rarely" wearing a loincloth. Cover that up dude!
2. PvP , metaphysics and morality. What can't C&P do?
3. Want solo pvp? Form a 1 person corp and wardec anything that moves.
4. Or go to low-sec/null-sec and shoot anything that moves.
5. Or go all out and insult everybody on this forum.
6. Or use a disco BS and suicide gank people at Jita-4-4 ... who just suicide ganked someone's transport.
Plenty of options. ----- this signature line intentionally left blank. |
1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.07.05 06:00:00 -
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Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 05/07/2010 06:02:09
Originally by: Niveon Edited by: Niveon on 04/07/2010 11:21:17
Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Proof or STFU. Surely by that logic no one's particulary nice, they're just repeating what mindset they're set into, it's not a decision any more.
how do you think brainwashing is possible? if we can ultimately decide for ourselves, how can we get brainwashed? look at the famous cases where, for their own survival, their own brain overrid their self to become brainwashed to help their captors. its something that snaps in the brain and we cant control it. Or are all brainwashed people really just liars?
the point is you're a clueless idiot because you live under a rock and havent paid attention to the last 100 years worth of science, psychology, and evolutionary theory. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.07.05 08:07:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 05/07/2010 08:08:17
Originally by: 1Ekrid1 you'll work for me then, and if you know me, you dont want that.
Ha. Well, you're right about this much. If you're afraid of taking your shadow for a walk, you're damned right I don't want you for my boss. Preferably, I want you nowhere near me.
I don't believe for a moment that there's anything less dangerous about a man who won't, even in fiction, imagine doing himself doing wrong-- what it would feel like, what it would look like. It would be more difficult for someone like that to know when he's crossing the boundary for real.
The danger of such people is another thing the last ten years (largely courtesy of George "The United States Doesn't Torture People" Bush, for one) has taught us.
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Popped Diaphram
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Posted - 2010.07.05 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 look at the famous cases where, for their own survival, their own brain overrid their self to become brainwashed to help their captors. its something that snaps in the brain and we cant control it. Or are all brainwashed people really just liars?
It's called the Stockholm Syndrome, and if it applies to video games in your life, you're doing it wrong. Seriously wrong.
Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Or is this person saying that since we "simulate it", we build "virtual neurons" that disappear once we exit the game? thats an utterly ******ed idea, the brain records and builds on experience, whether that experience is fake or not.
If someone can not tell the difference between conduct in a video game, and conduct in real life, they are ******ed. Any neural pathways that are formed to a specific act are just that. Specific. Considerable research on this has been done regarding addiction to things other than drugs and alcohol, I suggest you check it out.
Originally by: 1Ekrid1
its proven in the last 10 .....stuff...
At this point I'm convinced you're just trolling. If so, good job. It worked.
Personally, I agree with these guys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlSIqJpXI5A
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Kesta Valkorin
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.07.05 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Pesht How do you pvp without being a pirate?
Faction warfare and/or alliance blobs.
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2010.07.05 22:31:00 -
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1- you go into low-sec or 0.0 2- you find a likely target to kill 3- you start shooting till either your target or your own ship dies
Quite simple :) ____________________
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Lord Ryan
Draconian Armada
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Posted - 2010.07.06 15:51:00 -
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rat, than rat some more!
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