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Cashews
Bastelrunde EV
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Posted - 2010.06.08 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound What makes you think the member likes to receive pity together with ISKs?
Does your corp member feel this way? Did the donator intended it this way?
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houndsnout
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Posted - 2010.06.08 14:23:00 -
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I wonder if OP is in breach of certain standards and practices in terms of corporation management.
*waits anxiously for investigation*
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Sedilis
Lead Farmers
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Posted - 2010.06.08 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator I have cleared this thread of off topic and troll replies.
Navigator you missed the OP
Obvious troll is obvious... in the extremely unlikely event the OP is not trolling he should probably consider himself lucky he only has a 4 member corp and is not worth the wardec.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Caldari Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Like not being pitied by other players while playing the game? I think it is worth something. The player would not only receive ISKs, but could get satisfaction from knowing that the donor got shot by a merc, who I hired, for pitying him.
Let me get this right.
- Random gives your Corp member a gift - You think your Corp member might be offended by being 'pitied' with a gift. - You then somehow think that the way to solve this, is for you to spend money getting the random podded a few times.
Call me dense... but if your Corp member would be offended sufficiently to be upset by recieving a gift of a few isk/ship (by reading into it that the person was pitying him), wouldn't he be just as equally upset and offended my you spending a ton of isk to sort his problem out (implying you think he can't handle his own problems - all the more insulting because this time he's being 'pitied' by a friend)? Non Moritur Cuius Fama Vivat He Dies Not Whose Fame Survives |
Zeta Zhul
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.08 15:46:00 -
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Okay....
1. Color me impressed. This has to be the strangest topic I've seen in quite some time.
2. Even though I'm still under 10m SP I'm a fairly established player. So occasionally I help out other players stuck in a run of bad luck or needing a ship. I've given away ravens, drakes, cruisers, destroyers, etc. I've given gifts of isk and loans when appropriate.
*shrug* I trade for my isk. meh.
Seriously. If you're of the opinion that you can never have too much isk then either you don't have any substantial amount of isk at all or you're frankly a bit too greedy.
3. Lighten up. You're coming across as a real psycho.
4. IMO if a member of your corps is getting gifts then that implies to me that a member of your corps needs some help and attention from his CEO. Leadership. It's not just a title of a skill group. ----- this signature line intentionally left blank. |
Ramiera DaMorre
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Posted - 2010.06.08 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ramiera DaMorre on 08/06/2010 15:56:56 Pity meeeeee! T__T
Ahem. Pity? Pretty harsh word for a friendly gesture. I was insulted this way only once and I promptly sent back the ISK with a court smile and a short explanation that it will be all the more satisfying getting my first BC on my own. Two days later I was happily tending to my flock of drones in my stout myrmidon. Never again came a benign "random" to offer me ISKies for my spessbuttplu... err, Avatar project. ;(
But I suspect this is pretty unrelated.
My advice is to chill.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aralyn Cormallen Let me get this right.
- Random gives your Corp member a gift - You think your Corp member might be offended by being 'pitied' with a gift. - You then somehow think that the way to solve this, is for you to spend money getting the random podded a few times.
Call me dense... but if your Corp member would be offended sufficiently to be upset by recieving a gift of a few isk/ship (by reading into it that the person was pitying him), wouldn't he be just as equally upset and offended my you spending a ton of isk to sort his problem out (implying you think he can't handle his own problems - all the more insulting because this time he's being 'pitied' by a friend)?
No, wrong. The player was pitied or more precisely patronized, which offended me. I am not going to tell you the details. It was however not a simple "Here, some free ISKs. Good bye!" --
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Ramiera DaMorre
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Posted - 2010.06.08 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
No, wrong. The player was pitied or more precisely patronized, which offended me. I am not going to tell you the details. It was however not a simple "Here, some free ISKs. Good bye!"
"Me me me me, all about me!"
Aaaand what about the "offended" party? Did HE* feel like that? Just because, you know, it's more like his business, not yours. Let him handle it else you'll be patronizing him.
*or her, but no grls on the internet, rite?
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 08/06/2010 16:44:54
Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre Aaaand what about the "offended" party?
Is it really that hard to read? He was not offended, he was pitied/patronized. I am the one who got offended. --
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Ramiera DaMorre
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Posted - 2010.06.08 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 08/06/2010 16:38:00
Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre Aaaand what about the "offended" party?
Are you really that stupid? He was not offended, he was pitied/patronized. I am the one who got offended.
Are your linguistic skills so lacking? Note the quotation marks and think about the multiple layers of meaning behind the expression itself and then finally FRIGGIN ANSWER MY QUESTION! Cruise control for posting cool, awright! Now let us not talk about you, mkay?
So, round two! What about the little one, the one who got patronized/pitied? If he/she doesn't mind, then you better not try to make it your internet white knight cause.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 08/06/2010 16:49:48
Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre So, round two! What about the little one, the one who got patronized/pitied? If he/she doesn't mind, then you better not try to make it your internet white knight cause.
He did mind, because he was in doubt of taking the offer. I then doubled it, which made it easier for him to accept it and to ignore the BS he was given. Now I have an open bill and I need someone to pay it. --
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.06.08 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 08/06/2010 16:38:00
Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre Aaaand what about the "offended" party?
Are you really that stupid? He was not offended, he was pitied/patronized. I am the one who got offended.
OK, you feel he was pitied/patronized... does your corpmate feel this way? Did you ask him if it bothered him that he recieved this gift? My advice, do some fact finding first. Is it truly that your corpmate felt this way? If so, ask your corpmate what action he would like taken. It will do far more to impress your corpmate, than say flying off the handle, sending mercs after the giver, only to find out your corpmate was happy with the gift. If the latter is true, sending mercs may actually encourage your corpmate to leave corp. I know I wouldn't want to be in a corp that sent mercs after someone who gave me a gift.
As for your feeling offended, well, why? Again, look into this. Is it simply you feel the need to earn your reward and work for something? If so, that is admirable. Make sure your corpmate feels the same way, and suggest that he put the retriever aside until he has mined enough minerals to pay for it. Put those minerals aside for corp use, and you both benefit. The corp makes some extra isk, and you both get to still feel that you are accomplishing your goals on your own term.
If on the other hand, you feel offended because someone else is doing something you wish you could do yourself (rewarding corp members for their hard work), then get to making your own isk to spend on such actions instead of declaring war on others for giving gifts.
Now if you are worried that this corp member is going to be drawn away by the gift giver, you best make sure your corp member knows it's in his best interest to stay with you. And I don't mean with threats of mercs or wardecs. You need to make sure the corpmate is happy, and has needs fulfilled within your corp. You'll have to talk to the corp member to see what would keep him happy, but I would try this.
Lastly, if you are more worried that this was payment for being a corp spy (who pays in ships?) or is some shady side deal, again, gather your facts. Watch the corpmate, don't give him any important roles, and just see what happens.
As for what I would do as CEO if one of my members was given something such as this, I would thank the gift giver and see if there is any simple task we can do to repay thier generosity. If it truly was just a gift, then say thank you, and later, help someone else out in a similar way. What I would not do is go hiring mercs to attack someone just for giving a gift, even if it was given in a patronizing, demeaning, or insulting manner. Any thing that helps my corp or my members, is good enough for me.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia ... does your corpmate feel this way?
Yes, it is the reason why I feel offended. --
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Ramiera DaMorre
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Posted - 2010.06.08 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
He did mind, because he was in doubt of taking the offer. I then doubled it, which made it easier for him to accept it and to ignore the BS he was given. Now I have an open bill and I need someone to pay it.
Did he actually express his contempt/discomfort about the offer or it was mere hesitation kickstarted by inherent politeness? What were his doubts about exactly? There's a difference between "Gee, that's mighty nice of you but you know I did nothing to earn it and come on, I'm not sure I can repay the kindnesswhatshouldIdonowohmygosh" doubt and "You trying to insult me right now? This smells like patronizing, you doubt my skills of money printing?! Or are you sincere? *paranoiarush*" doubt. :P You are too friggin vague, giving no details.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre Did he actually express his contempt/discomfort about the offer or it was mere hesitation kickstarted by inherent politeness?
Did my member act stupid, did he complain or whine? No. --
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NoChance Lance
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Posted - 2010.06.08 17:01:00 -
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Anyone get the feeling that some people are far too easily offended these days?
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: NoChance Lance Anyone get the feeling that some people are far too easily offended these days?
This is a PvP game. I can be offended and shoot you, or have you shot, or do nothing about it.
And welcome to EVE and to the Crime and Punishment forum. --
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.06.08 17:09:00 -
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So my take on this is....
Corpmate (Let's call him Fred) was mining in a belt in an Osprey, trying to earn his way up to a retriever. We've all been there, or at least done something similar, be it run L2s in a Cruiser to afford our first Battle Cruiser or what not.
A mining op is taking place in the same belt... hey all, look at the noob, still mining in an Osprey (or maybe it was a badger Mrk 1). Seriously, total noob! Wow, what a noob... hey noob, here's a retriever, learn to be a real miner.
Now in the above scenario, I could see the gift giver being insulted a bit. Still, even if this were the case, Fred should accept the retriever and move on. In no way is Fred under any obligation to assist or gift back to the giver. So just move on, and let it go.
As for involving mercs, look, you've made this public on the forums. If you send mercs, there's a good chance you will be found out. If these people can toss around retrievers as gifts... do you really think any mercs you hire will be enough to protect you and your corp from retribution? I doubt it.
So really, accept the gift, move on.
And if the above is not the scenario, please provide more details otherwise, you're asking for advice without providing enough information for us to give constructive advice.
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NoChance Lance
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Posted - 2010.06.08 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
And welcome to EVE and to the Crime and Punishment forum.
Umm... thanks? Is everyone here as batshirt crazy as you appear to be?
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: NoChance Lance Umm... thanks? Is everyone here as batshirt crazy as you appear to be?
Yes. --
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Master Zeuth
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Posted - 2010.06.08 17:17:00 -
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Would be a good dec if he had >4 members.
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Doccia Ellicis
Caldari Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 08/06/2010 16:49:48
Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre So, round two! What about the little one, the one who got patronized/pitied? If he/she doesn't mind, then you better not try to make it your internet white knight cause.
He did mind, because he was in doubt of taking the offer. I then doubled it, which made it easier for him to accept it and to ignore the BS he was given. Now I have an open bill and I need someone to pay it.
- You feel that your corpmate was done wrong because some person gave him an X amount of money. - So you solve it by giving said corpmate 2X amount of money.
I'm offended that you feel the need to increase the amount of pity and patronization felt by your corpmate by tripling the amount in the original gift. By doing so, you were implying that the original amount was not enough to help him succeed at this game, thus, patronizing/pitying him further.
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Ramiera DaMorre
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Posted - 2010.06.08 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Doccia Ellicis
- You feel that your corpmate was done wrong because some person gave him an X amount of money. - So you solve it by giving said corpmate 2X amount of money.
I'm offended that you feel the need to increase the amount of pity and patronization felt by your corpmate by tripling the amount in the original gift. By doing so, you were implying that the original amount was not enough to help him succeed at this game, thus, patronizing/pitying him further.
Damn thee to the seventh blazing nook of Hell! I wanted to do this!
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Doccia Ellicis - So you solve it by giving said corpmate 2X amount of money.
Unconditional free stuff, yes. No strings attached. The way it should have been in the first place. --
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Lightningshade
Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2010.06.08 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 08/06/2010 16:49:48
Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre So, round two! What about the little one, the one who got patronized/pitied? If he/she doesn't mind, then you better not try to make it your internet white knight cause.
He did mind, because he was in doubt of taking the offer. I then doubled it, which made it easier for him to accept it and to ignore the BS he was given. Now I have an open bill and I need someone to pay it.
What the fark is going on here. You are offended by someone showing pity on your corp member, then you double it? Honestly mate, you are fking delusional.
The "bill" created was created by yourself, dont be such a douche man. Noones going to pay it for you you egotistical moron.
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Ramiera DaMorre
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Posted - 2010.06.08 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Doccia Ellicis - So you solve it by giving said corpmate 2X amount of money.
Unconditional free stuff, yes. No strings attached. The way it should have been in the first place.
So why wasn't it that way in the first place?
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Waci
Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2010.06.08 18:58:00 -
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He's already proven himself incapable of explaining that.
Originally by: Whitehound
This is a PvP game. I can be offended and shoot you, or have you shot, or do nothing about it.
The fact that you continue to exist offends me. PLEASE, shoot me.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre So why wasn't it that way in the first place?
It is a mystery. --
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Ramiera DaMorre
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Posted - 2010.06.08 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre So why wasn't it that way in the first place?
It is a mystery.
Seems pretty clear to me.
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Doccia Ellicis
Caldari Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre So why wasn't it that way in the first place?
It is a mystery.
Whitehound has officially ran out of steam.
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