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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.06.23 01:43:00 -
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So wait, if Ank is so hated, how did (s)he get elected?
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.06.23 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer So wait, if Ank is so hated, how did (s)he get elected?
Trolls, trolls everywhere. -------- All I want is a better mankind.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer So wait, if Ank is so hated, how did (s)he get elected?
Because 5% of CSM voters like her a whole lot, which is enough to get her voted in over the objections of the other 95%. It's how the system is supposed to work, to make sure that every player group of size can get representation, a lot of people just aren't fans of the representative in question.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.25 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 25/06/2010 09:23:15 Sok and some others start troll campaign against ankh, giving free publicity, people realise ankh got good points, people vote for ankh. That and people just vote for ankh because they got bored of the amount of trolls and flames coming from Sok and alts, and maybe preferred someone who actually had an opinion. (See Soks campaign thread, nothing in it regarding his opinion about stuff).
People want FW fixed, and looking at the voting results there were only two possibilities to vote on if you want that.
Quote: If you wanted it balanced, then there'd be a 50% chance that gate guns would fire on outlaws or those with a high sec status, and a 50% chance that Concord would gank pirates or their targets, and a 50% chance that pirates wouldn't give out universal kill rights when they're red flashy and instead those with 5.01 sec status would go flashy, and...
Wtf is it you smoke?
Sec status doesnt mean **** outside high sec, and for inside high sec they use alts. If you suicide gank an empty JF it costs the target way more than it costs you. New insurance helps a bit, before this it was always profitable to stage a suicide gank, even if it didnt drop anything. Now at least it needs to drop a tad before it is profitable, but still the target will always lose more than the gankers, even if empty.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Edit: But serious, if people would just look at what ankh actually proposes they wouldnt have to go emo about it. Look at her proposals in this CSM, is any of them a removal of pvp? I would say for everyone of them the vast majority of the eve players is in favour. And while i still dont get why other CSM members voted in favour of bugged FW, from what i understand they arent actually against a non-bugged FW.
What she proposes, and how she is an impossible, paranoid, beeatch to work with are two entirely separate things.
As it stands, the rest of the CSM are all puking all over her worthless behaviour, and she will get precisely 0 done.
I'd say it would be in the fluffy carebears' favour at this point if they sack her and take one a rational human being without the personality of a screeching hag. That way you may actually get some of what you want.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:40:00 -
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Ahhh, the traditional Ank-Partisan nonsense; anybody who disagrees with Ank must be a troll. Anybody who raises valid objections pointing out why Ank isn't suited for serving on the CSM they must be a troll too. And anybody who quotes Ank's own words showing that she's conceptually and perceptually incompatible with a PvP game on a single shard? Why, the only possible thing they can be is a troll since, after all, it is impossible to disagree with Ank unless you're somehow dishonest about it. Yah...
As for "fixing FW", it should of course be noted that most of Ank's suggestions for doing so are worse than useless and, in fact, display a marked ignorance about the mechanics involved. This is most likely due to her stunning lack of participation in the actual mechanics of FW (she has, what, 7 kills? 8?) The 'bears and beginning PvPers could have gotten an actual representative on the council rather than this creature.
Originally by: Furb Killer Sec status doesnt mean **** outside high sec, and for inside high sec they use alts. If you suicide gank an empty JF it costs the target way more than it costs you. New insurance helps a bit, before this it was always profitable to stage a suicide gank, even if it didnt drop anything.
Ah, so you have no clue how EVE works (why is that so common among Ank-Partisans?). Sec status matters because if you can make it back to a highsec gate, you can escape from a red flashy with pretty much 100% certainty. Pirates can't do the same. And I notice you skipped over all the actual balance examples in order to whine about, not balance, but the fact that people can take down larger targets if they work in groups and if those targets aren't defended. Gee, you think?
Your whine about "cost" also betrays ignorance. Pirates making a profit off ganking something with no loot? No, not ever. And the ability to gank a JF is no way means that the system isn't balanced. The situation is actually unbalanced in the direction of favoring non-pirates, and that still isn't good enough for you. If a non-combat ship can be destroyed by attackers well, then, call the waaaaaaaaambulance because you're about to cry and someone needs to deal with those pirates!!! |
Alyn'ah Arteis
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:27:00 -
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By replying and debating on Ankh's topic before the election, both Ankh's alts / allies & critics gave her visibility. Blame yourselves.
She also had an ok PR campaign, and used the critics as a way to emerge as 'the champion of carebearing against evil trolling pirates'.
I wish that next time a proper 'carebear candidate' emerges, with good PR, and who doesn't feel more relevant in Puzzle Pirates than in Eve (coz' seriously, linked chatlogs were ranging between hilarious and seriously creepy).
Elections do not show who is the most competent, but certainly who is the most competent in selling his own image.
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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:16:00 -
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I tried to point this out in other (anti) ahnk threads. Ahnk got dam near 3 times as many votes as Sok, and twice as many votes as others... Lots of people have tried to tell me that its all because of how she went about campaigning... I have to believe that no small part of her success is because of two things:
#1 - She represents (on some level) ideas that someone agrees with...
#2 - All the negative press (in fact and general) *had* to get people who might not otherwise have voted motivated to vote. Since the negative press, attack threads and editorials seemed to share a particular slant (being from pvp'rs in general) - this gave some significant portion of the voting base a symbol to rally around. I don't think its stretching it to say we can all agree that symbols can be powerful motivators. My personal opinion (based on nothing more than my own experience) is that 1/4 to 1/2 of her votes came from people who felt a vote for Ahnk was "pvp'ing" those they disliked.
I do believe that the CSM is better off with one "Ahnk" than three other delegates with her ideas...
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:40:00 -
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Unofficial reports have surfaced of a fourth screaming meltdown from Ankh at the PvE roundtable in Iceland. Stay tuned, laydeez n' gennelmen - can this plucky contender keep up her 100% record over the months to come?
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Unofficial reports have surfaced of a fourth screaming meltdown from Ankh at the PvE roundtable in Iceland. Stay tuned, laydeez n' gennelmen - can this plucky contender keep up her 100% record over the months to come?
I'm excited.
Who's excited?
I'm excited.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Unofficial reports have surfaced of a fourth screaming meltdown from Ankh at the PvE roundtable in Iceland. Stay tuned, laydeez n' gennelmen - can this plucky contender keep up her 100% record over the months to come?
You mean someone actually believes what sok tells? Come on, if dierdra or something would tell something i would take it serious, but sok, he hasnt made a single post not flaming ankh the last year.
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:40:00 -
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WE HAVE AN ESCALATION!
Not content with simply raging at everyone around her, Ankh has flipped out ninja-style and taken to flinging cutlery at her fellow council members! Some accuse her of being anti-pvp, but they couldn't be more wrong; this woman is a stone-cold killer. She just does it in RL.
(I am not joking)
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ophelia Ursus WE HAVE AN ESCALATION!
Not content with simply raging at everyone around her, Ankh has flipped out ninja-style and taken to flinging cutlery at her fellow council members! Some accuse her of being anti-pvp, but they couldn't be more wrong; this woman is a stone-cold killer. She just does it in RL.
(I am not joking)
[CITATION NEEDED]
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.25 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ophelia Ursus WE HAVE AN ESCALATION!
Not content with simply raging at everyone around her, Ankh has flipped out ninja-style and taken to flinging cutlery at her fellow council members! Some accuse her of being anti-pvp, but they couldn't be more wrong; this woman is a stone-cold killer. She just does it in RL.
(I am not joking)
I would very much love to know whose alt you are.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.06.25 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Sok prolly alone managed to get ankh half her votes, i wonder if ankh is paying him tbh.
I probably didnŠt because I only made like 5 posts in any of the ankh hate threads and none of them was very comprehensive. One thing that definitely did help me getting in again was a certain guy named ŠNatanaŠ going full ****** on the eve germany boards against me and proposing her as a better alternative, making him the laughing stock of said forums and attracting a whole lot of attention to my campaign thread.
But hey, apparently there is a large audience that votes for her regardless of the lies and the incompetency and the shenanigans, which is fine with me. She doesnŠt get anything done any way. á
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Darth Vapour
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Posted - 2010.06.26 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
She doesnŠt get anything done any way.
So what did the non-Ankh CSM member accompolish ?
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Delilah Wild
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Posted - 2010.06.26 14:27:00 -
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This statement captures Sokratesz' problem. He wants to egg on this dispute, while sidestepping responsibility for it.
One of the features of leadership, Sokratesz, is learning to take responsibility not only for your own actions, but for the actions of others working in your name or on your behalf. It is both a matter of honesty and maturity.
If you cannot take such responsibility, then you should stop participating in these threads, and ask your friends to move onto something more constructive.
The vast majority of us do not want to see this childish behaviour from you or anyone else on the CSM.
Please try to keep this in mind before you write your next post.
Delilah friendsofeve.wordpress.com
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Furb Killer
Sok prolly alone managed to get ankh half her votes, i wonder if ankh is paying him tbh.
I probably didnŠt because I only made like 5 posts in any of the ankh hate threads and none of them was very comprehensive. One thing that definitely did help me getting in again was a certain guy named ŠNatanaŠ going full ****** on the eve germany boards against me and proposing her as a better alternative, making him the laughing stock of said forums and attracting a whole lot of attention to my campaign thread.
But hey, apparently there is a large audience that votes for her regardless of the lies and the incompetency and the shenanigans, which is fine with me. She doesnŠt get anything done any way.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.06.26 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Delilah Wild
One of the features of leadership, Sokratesz, is learning to take responsibility not only for your own actions, but for the actions of others working in your name or on your behalf. It is both a matter of honesty and maturity.
If you cannot take such responsibility, then you should stop participating in these threads, and ask your friends to move onto something more constructive.
The vast majority of us do not want to see this childish behaviour from you or anyone else on the CSM.
Please try to keep this in mind before you write your next post.
I wasn't chosen to be a leader, and I will not adjust my behaviour based solely on your opinion. I know very few of the other people that are anti-ankh, which given my forum history is rather characteristic of the situation, while the ones defending her are easily counted and classified.
I felt that the first CSM 5 summit has been constructive, although I remain skeptical towards CCP's future projects. More on that later. á
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.26 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Furb Killer
Sok prolly alone managed to get ankh half her votes, i wonder if ankh is paying him tbh.
I probably didnŠt because I only made like 5 posts in any of the ankh hate threads and none of them was very comprehensive. One thing that definitely did help me getting in again was a certain guy named ŠNatanaŠ going full ****** on the eve germany boards against me and proposing her as a better alternative, making him the laughing stock of said forums and attracting a whole lot of attention to my campaign thread.
But hey, apparently there is a large audience that votes for her regardless of the lies and the incompetency and the shenanigans, which is fine with me. She doesnŠt get anything done any way.
The sad thing about Ankh is that her campaign of lies and spam pulled votes away from better but less ruthlessly self-promoting candidates who might have genuinely promoted the issues she claims to represent.
The only issue she actually cares about is fluffing her CV.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.26 17:31:00 -
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Delilah is just a troll, desperate to support and/or draw attention away from Ank any possible way, even if it's patently absurd.
Sok, we are to believe, is now responsible for Ank's behavior and the mere act of reporting on what she does is a grave breach. Because, of course, the only professional thing to do is keep Ank's voters ignorant of her mental instability and manifest unsuitability for work on the CSM and, instead, just shut up about it all.
Deliliah isn't even a good troll. More the pity, as she might at least work to be amusing I guess. |
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.26 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Delilah is just a troll
Aren't you the guy who takes offence to the idea that anyone anti-Ankh is a troll? If so, you'd do well to avoid saying the same thing in the other direction.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:09:00 -
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Indeed. I would do well not to say that anybody who supports Ank is a troll. Of course, I've never said anything like that, so I'm doing pretty well on that count.
I have pointed out that Deliliah's pattern of habitual dishonesty, deception and distortion marks her as a troll. That she happens to be a rabid pro-Ank partisan is orthogonal to that. |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 26/06/2010 19:11:34
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Furb Killer
Sok prolly alone managed to get ankh half her votes, i wonder if ankh is paying him tbh.
I probably didnŠt because I only made like 5 posts in any of the ankh hate threads and none of them was very comprehensive. One thing that definitely did help me getting in again was a certain guy named ŠNatanaŠ going full ****** on the eve germany boards against me and proposing her as a better alternative, making him the laughing stock of said forums and attracting a whole lot of attention to my campaign thread.
But hey, apparently there is a large audience that votes for her regardless of the lies and the incompetency and the shenanigans, which is fine with me. She doesnŠt get anything done any way.
Switching forums for such things is handy, you claimed same thing on tweakers, where an easy search on eve-search showed you made 10+ ankh hate posts in a couple of days, let alone the amount you made totally.
Ankh made many good proposals, deal with it. Which one of her proposals was bad? Why should i care if she plays puzzle pirates, hello kitty or whatever other game, she has made good proposals, i support her. You shot down FW improvements, i dont support you.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Ankh made many good proposals, deal with it. Which one of her proposals was bad? Why should i care if she plays puzzle pirates, hello kitty or whatever other game, she has made good proposals, i support her. You shot down FW improvements, i dont support you.
How many of those were in relevant threads on EVE-O? How many were directly aimed at her and not at that raving lunatic, Natana? (eveger)
Claiming that her good proposals outweigh the numerous bad things only shows that you are willingly casting a blind eye to the latter. á
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:16:00 -
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Many of Ank's proposed FW "improvements" are simply foolish and progress from a potent lack of understanding of how EVE works. My favorite example is her suggestion that people need an incentive for PvPing.
Evidently somehow the entire rest of EVE manages to PvP because it's fun, it generates killmails, and ships drop loot. But Ank with her lifetime total of, what, a whole half dozen kills believes that the devs need to do something to encourage PvP in FW.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 26/06/2010 19:18:19 Edited by: Furb Killer on 26/06/2010 19:17:44 I dont care she likes puzzle pirates or whatever, i just look at what she did in the past as CSM member and what she promised to do in the future. And i liked that, and from the topics she made it looks like she sticks to those promises. She makes good proposals, so i support her, and i really dont care about all the smear crap arround it.
I did the same with you, you had no promises for future and nothing in the past that was different from what every CSM member did.
(Btw, and i just support her ideas, it isnt like i think she is always right, for example the other election she was in i thought her ideas were horrible (pirate party for national elections), but not for CSM elections).
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
I dont care she likes puzzle pirates or whatever, i just look at what she did in the past as CSM member and what she promised to do in the future. And i liked that, and from the topics she made it looks like she sticks to those promises. She makes good proposals, so i support her, and i really dont care about all the smear crap arround it.
I did the same with you, you had no promises for future and nothing in the past that was different from what every CSM member did.
(Btw, and i just support her ideas, it isnt like i think she is always right, for example the other election she was in i thought her ideas were horrible (pirate party for national elections), but not for CSM elections).
boy do I have a surprise for you á
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:43:00 -
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No, that's the point. It's an opinion that shows someone simply does not understand the game. The very fact that anybody think that FWers need even more of an incentive is loopy. Literally each and every single other PvPer in all of EVE finds enjoyment in PvPing even without special rewards. But that's not good enough for some folks? Riiiiight.
And not only do FWers not actually need anything special, they already have many bonuses far and away more than what all other PvPers have. To start with, they get eternal, free wardecs. They can go hunting anywhere in New Eden for 100% free. They also can earn LP's redeemable for valuable loot just by running basic missions.
The idea that, on top of that, FWers need to be held by the hand and patted gently on the head by CCP so that they'll PvP is the kind of thinking that shows folks simply don't get PvP. |
Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: FinnAgain Zero No, that's the point. It's an opinion that shows someone simply does not understand the game. The very fact that anybody think that FWers need even more of an incentive is loopy. Literally each and every single other PvPer in all of EVE finds enjoyment in PvPing even without special rewards. But that's not good enough for some folks? Riiiiight.
And not only do FWers not actually need anything special, they already have many bonuses far and away more than what all other PvPers have. To start with, they get eternal, free wardecs. They can go hunting anywhere in New Eden for 100% free. They also can earn LP's redeemable for valuable loot just by running basic missions.
The idea that, on top of that, FWers need to be held by the hand and patted gently on the head by CCP so that they'll PvP is the kind of thinking that shows folks simply don't get PvP.
I disagree slightly. There are a lot of bugs in FW atm, if they were fixed there would be a lot less to cry about. á
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.26 20:02:00 -
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Certainly, FW is buggy. But fixing the structure of FW doesn't give folks more of an incentive to find ways to gank each other. I played in FW for the first few weeks after it was released and I went out looking for fights as often as I could.
Are there elements of FW which could use some work? Sure. But is it CCP's responsibility to ensure that players shoot at each other? No. |
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