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Potrero
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.09 21:39:00 -
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Swatted maybe 250 Guristas out of anomolies over the weekend.
Any idea how many rats get blasted every day in Eve? Between the anomolies, the belts, the gate camps and the missions we've got to be blowing up hundreds of thousands of rats a day. Billions of ISK.
This makes no sense when you think about it. How come these rats never get any smarter? They keep getting their butts kicked in wave after expensive wave, yet they keep coming back for more. Also, where do they all come from to begin with? Some Gurista planet that generates pirates and battleships by the thousands? Those aren't pirates, that's an entire nation. And, these are pretty lousy pirates, by the way. They've never taken anything from me (aside from tons of titanium sabot) but they seem to be on a non-stop charity mission to give me stuff.
Would we do better with a fraction of the number of rats, but much smarter and more dangerous? Why should the Ravens I encounter in missions and anomolies be any easier to kill than those I encounter on the PvP battlefield? Should their numbers be limited by some economic model that makes sense?
Seems a broken concept. Plus ratting is deadly boring anyway.
Just a thought.
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Terrax Norik
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Posted - 2010.06.09 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Potrero ...Also, where do they all come from to begin with? Some Gurista planet that generates pirates and battleships by the thousands? Those aren't pirates, that's an entire nation...
You should probably read the Backstories, and realize its just a gsme. Doesn't have to be completely plausible.
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Felia Zedani
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Posted - 2010.06.09 22:15:00 -
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Over 150k NPCs killed in the systems around Motsu. In the last 24 hours. Other mission running systems also reach 60k npc kills. Seems like a million npc kills per day in the universe is reached quite easily.
If you donŠt know: Dotlan (look at a region map and choose npc kills in the top right drop down box).
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Minchurra
Caldari Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.09 22:15:00 -
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Gameplay aside, I always found it strange only the weakest, smallest pirates found their way into highest security systems.
I would have assumed only the strongest ones would have been able to make it that far.
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Hobonator912
Gallente Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2010.06.09 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Minchurra Gameplay aside, I always found it strange only the weakest, smallest pirates found their way into highest security systems.
I would have assumed only the strongest ones would have been able to make it that far.
Perhaps ones that do get swatted by CONCORD ASAP.
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Ti'anla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.09 22:40:00 -
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I always figured it away as having a lot to do with us capsuleers being 'above' the normal NPC pirate crew. After all, most pirates operate against the NPC factions, not us - 90% of the time us blundering in and blowing up their stuff is just bad luck that a capsuleer got involved in operation might have seriously inconvenienced the NPC navies.
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aetherguy881
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.09 23:36:00 -
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It's definitely the Guristas, breeding like rabbits...
The ships are expensive to us because we get them by "difficult means." They go to the hangar and assemble a new one. It's like a drug lord wanting a hit of some of his product, he's got it readily available. ------------------- Always remember this about EVE:
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Diodotus Cleon
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Posted - 2010.06.10 01:05:00 -
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i assumed the rats come from massive deadspace complexes that, like in the eve book Eve: The Empyrean Age where the Minmitar and Thurkar tribes build massive cap fleets in the complexes
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Camios
Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.10 01:20:00 -
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Heh, Rats are stupid and it seems that they never learn.
There is no reason for them to be in the belts or mission complexes unless to be blown up... adding AI to rats would not work because they would understand that the best thing to do for them is commit suicide in order to get their own bounty.
lol
The question can be posed in another way: pirates are there to hunt something. Where are their preys? And actually ratting and missioning are boring as hell to grind... it's far funnier to probe out something like complexes and wormholes.
Maybe it would make more sense if players could manage some NPC for profit in a non exploitable way, so that there is a real mind at the root of NPC actions.
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Drifter Spaceblade
Caldari People of Random Nature
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Posted - 2010.06.10 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Minchurra Gameplay aside, I always found it strange only the weakest, smallest pirates found their way into highest security systems.
I would have assumed only the strongest ones would have been able to make it that far.
Kind of like how only the strongest players stay in high sec? :p
Low skill rats stay where low skill players are because neither are strong enough to make it in lawless space. Think of it was recruit rats are given recruit quality ships.
Think about the millions of rats this way:
On Earth today, gangs, militias and armies constantly replenish their ranks with new recruits. During WW2, thousands of men would be lost by both sides in a single battle, but the war raged on with armies bringing in fresh troops.
Now, multiply that by hundreds of solar systems, thousands of planets, and potentially billions living on hospitable worlds. Just like gangs recruit people in cities, rats recruit people on worlds. There are always eager volunteers to join up with gangs, and everyone else always facepalms as it's probably the dumbest thing they'll ever do.
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.06.10 02:52:00 -
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Please consider that a Megathron battleship has 7000 crew. Now consider how many of these ships you blow up everyday. Collectively, I think we have wiped out the human race multiple times. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.10 03:41:00 -
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to cut costs, they build their ships using a mixture of glue, polystyrene, selotape and a large amount of hope and dreams. Most expensive part is probably the metallic paint that makes them so shiny. (turns out their ships are so cheap to produce, they can blow each other up repeatedly for the CONCORD bounties and actually make a profit for an unlimited source of income)
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.10 03:49:00 -
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there all pod pilots. . . there just not any good at what they do considering but how many times Ive looted miss matched weapons ammo and modules. . . . Id say its painfully obvious
and frankly they must all have there own Wspace systems that they massivly overmine for minerals
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Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2010.06.10 04:21:00 -
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Someone has to mine the belts in low-sec and 0.0. They lose so many ships because they have mining fits on those "combat" ships. But, as they say, the ore they mine is free so replacing them is easy.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.10 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Minchurra Gameplay aside, I always found it strange only the weakest, smallest pirates found their way into highest security systems.
I would have assumed only the strongest ones would have been able to make it that far.
I've been hoping for quite a while high sec rats get some serious boosts... Like BC or the occassional BS in .5-.6.
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Sphit Ker
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Posted - 2010.06.10 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Potrero How come these rats never get any smarter?
dead stuff don't learn, duh
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Infinitus Maximus
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Posted - 2010.06.10 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin Please consider that a Megathron battleship has 7000 crew. Now consider how many of these ships you blow up everyday. Collectively, I think we have wiped out the human race multiple times.
proof or you just made this figure up
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Ekrid
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:50:00 -
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Well lets look at it this way;
Capsuleer - The most elitist person evarrr!! can jump clones, control an entire ship on their own, yet somehow get paid dirt wages to kill of pirates and other nonsense for empires. Have a horrible time putting together the isk to buy a ship, and get set back a long time if they lose it.
Meanwhile in oppositeville:
Pirates: Can afford to lose billions of lives on ships, can afford to replace their ships like candy, no matter the size or fit, and can afford to have horrible gunners manning their weapons, and just keep on coming. alts are for people with a USD/life ratio higher than adolfs K/D in WWII. - Ekrid
" i'll log my alt in and check if the station is clear". -Yeah, such a fierce carebear pirate you are- |
ChickenOfDoom
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Posted - 2010.06.12 03:32:00 -
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Its a military industrial complex conspiracy. Think about it. Insurance in eve loses billions of isk a day, clearly a tax subsidized industry, money that indirectly goes into the pockets of ship manufacturers. All the pirate corporations hire braindead, headstrong pilots without a tactical thought in their head and no concept of what they can handle, send them to certain destruction, and as a consequence also lose billions of isk a day, money that is regularly paid out to their own manufacturers for replacements. All the powers in eve are in the back pockets of the industrialists.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.12 03:33:00 -
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Quote: So, where are all these rats coming from anyway?
...sinking ships? _______________________
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Culmen
Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.06.12 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Originally by: Taedrin Please consider that a Megathron battleship has 7000 crew. Now consider how many of these ships you blow up everyday. Collectively, I think we have wiped out the human race multiple times.
proof or you just made this figure up
Thats incorrect, Megathrons have a crew of 6900.
Proof Source, Old blueprint image. and further more why do i even need a sig? |
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