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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
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Posted - 2012.07.17 14:24:00 -
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Making sure "hull" and "armor" are differentiated sounds good. I can see how they got mixed up. The hull is usually considered the outer skin of a vessel. Want to upgrade it? Add armor.
Another way to get the differentiation is to rename all skills and modules to the word "Structure" if that is what they act upon. We would have "Small remote structure repair" modules.
But the word "Hull" is shorter, a consideration on our cluttered screens. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
183
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Posted - 2012.07.17 14:26:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Thanks for the devblog and cleaning things up!
Way back when the first wave of renaming happened, somethings were cool and somethings not so cool. Like renaming all of the implant sets to be functional indicators of their USE. Searching for EE-04 is perfect. Some renaming of things are the community has not been so forgiving over, such as adding "Prototype", "Experimental" to all of the meta 1-4 modules.
The reason this was not well received has arguably nothing to do with the idea of renaming the modules for greater clarity.
The reason is that meta levels across propulsion (MWD and AB) modules are inconsistent without clear pattern, so the renaming initiative (which is nothing more than adding a prefix to each meta level) failed to make things more clear. People noticed that things aren't really any clearer and it came across as renaming for the sake of renaming.
PS: FoxFour that's something you could also address. If it's not clear what I'm saying, take a look at the meta levels of frig/cruiser/battleship ABs and MWDs and then ask yourself if they make sense. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
699
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Posted - 2012.07.17 14:59:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Circumstantial Evidence wrote:While you're renaming things, please look at rigs. They are a jumbled mess when sorted alphabetically, would like to see the names lead off with a Group classification word.
(something like this) Medium Armor: Anti-EM Pump I Medium Armor: Aux Nano Pump I Medium Astronautic: Aux Thrusters I
Can you elaborate on this a bit? Rigs on the market currently look like: Ship Modifications -> Rigs -> Category -> Size -> Rig The rigs themselves are sorted first by meta level ensuring the tech 2 are at the bottom and tech 1 at the top. Then they are sorted alphabetically. Are you referring to a difficulty in searching rather then just browsing the market categories?
Personally I would prefer Rigs -> Size -> Category. In general I'm not looking for shield rigs of all sizes at the same time - I'm looking for various types of rigs to fit to my cruiser.
As far as implants go, I'm very glad you still keep the letter/number naming scheme. I realize that a new player wants a hint of what an item is doing in the item's name. However once you buy your implants for the hundredth time, you know exactly what you are looking for. And I know that it's enough to type "PG4" to get the 3% power grid implant.
A similar thing works with some modules - for example to get the meta 4 shield extender, you can just search for "F-S9". Shield transporters are "S95". However many modules are quite difficult to search for: for example the above mentioned rigs. Searching for a "Medium Core Defense Field Extender I" is impossible without either typing out almost the entire name, or getting a dozen unrelated results. I would be very glad if a similar set of numerical designations could be adapted to more families of modules.
The culmination of this is the Rhea. I recommend anyone to try to search for the Rhea on the market, or link it in chat. Although I realize this is not as simple as changing a field in a database, I would suggest that if your search returns an exact match, that match should be shown first among the results, regardless of alphabetical sorting. |
FireT
Royal Advanced Industries Imperial Hull Tankers
62
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Posted - 2012.07.17 15:13:00 -
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Nicely done good sir. You definitely have OCD, but then again I would have done the same due to it bugging me. Thank you for your time and dedication to the game (and OCD). |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
183
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Posted - 2012.07.17 15:15:00 -
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Viscount Hood wrote:Inherent Implants'Noble' Hull upgrades HG-1004 4% bonus to armor hitpoints
I really think that should read "Armor upgrades HG-1004" as it has nothing to do with hull (in Eve sense)
I shall look into this. :) Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
148
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Posted - 2012.07.17 15:39:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I'm still gonna call them FoFs, so take that CCP! But but... all my hard work :'(
You can have my precious FoFs when you pry them from my Cold, Dead Tengu.
*Jenn starts organization called NFA (National FoF Association) and hires the Ghost of Charleton Heston to be spokesman*.
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Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
14
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Posted - 2012.07.17 15:54:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Viscount Hood wrote:Inherent Implants'Noble' Hull upgrades HG-1004 4% bonus to armor hitpoints
I really think that should read "Armor upgrades HG-1004" as it has nothing to do with hull (in Eve sense) I shall look into this. :)
Except that the "Hull Upgrades" skill gives you +5% Armor Hitpoints per level. I've always thought it as somewhat confusing since Hull =/= Armor in EVE. Pew Pew Pew! |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
701
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Posted - 2012.07.17 16:36:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I'm still gonna call them FoFs, so take that CCP! But but... all my hard work :'( You can have my precious FoFs when you pry them from my Cold, Dead Tengu. *Jenn starts organization called NFA (National FoF Association) and hires the Ghost of Charleton Heston to be spokesman*.
I shall fit my CNR with FoF missiles. In the lows I will use a BCU and a PDU. Then I'll go run through a 0.0 region. |
Destoya
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
8
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:26:00 -
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Not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but there are still a few items that are missing off the market, for example augmented/faction drones and faction control towers and POS mods. Certainly forgetting a few; these two just stand out in my mind. |
Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
241
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:32:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:What's the definition of "content" in "content designer"? Wibbly-wobbly game-y wamey stuff.
Support Aegis Destroyers: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97610 |
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Emiko P'eng
23
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:38:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Huh, I thought that FoF could discriminate friends from foes... didn't knew they just slammed into whatever. Modern ones can with the use of FoF transmitters in the Vehicles/Aircraft.
The main problem was in the early days when they tried to develop autonomous missiles that could distinguish Soviet from Allied aircraft by say the frequency curve of the IR emissions from engines.
Modern ones rely on a data squirt from an on-board marker to identify it as a friend. But just like a tracer bullet that can work both ways
Back on Subject
FoF is still shorter than 'Auto-Targeting' when trying to minimise the size of on-screen tables. Also EVE is supposed to be militaristic!
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VaL Iscariot
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
47
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:40:00 -
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*swoon*
Everything I always thought needed fixed about implants that I never one time vocally complained about! Truly epic. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
523
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:01:00 -
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Great! |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
258
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:14:00 -
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ORCACommander wrote:Lord Helghast wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:ORCACommander wrote:STOP RENAMING STUFF!. what was wrong with it being called Friend or Foe? jesus christ does everything have to be dumbed down and made ambiguous? it used to be if you named something by just scourged you just told the person what sized missile and what type of damage, now it could be a any of a dozen missiles. HAMS need to stay hams because they were the counterpart to heavy missiles.
on the plus side the implants did need a massive reorganization and thank you for that. You're welcome. :) Well technically friend or foe, wasn't always a fat lol, trust me i had a FOF at one day way back when i started that hit a friend in highsec got concorded was quite funny, but ya it shoots foes or friends, so auto-targeting seems wiser, especially since the launchers are already changed. lol ouch i guess they should have gone with FAF: Fire and Forget
FoF missiles are a bit of a faff, yes.
Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
MAKC MAXHO
Zion Conglomerate
1
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:21:00 -
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If designers do not know the abbreviation f.o.f, that is their problem. No need to mock the terminology. And yes. Designers? And the text goes over the edge? Until then, these designers have washed the dishes, or herring fished? |
Ilsenae Alexandros
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
85
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:47:00 -
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I have a favorite Dev now, and his name is FoxFour. Ilsenae Alexandros Khross, Adjutant of the Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
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Pantheon Lea
Farmer Boyz
5
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:04:00 -
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Makari Aeron wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Viscount Hood wrote:Inherent Implants'Noble' Hull upgrades HG-1004 4% bonus to armor hitpoints
I really think that should read "Armor upgrades HG-1004" as it has nothing to do with hull (in Eve sense) I shall look into this. :) Except that the "Hull Upgrades" skill gives you +5% Armor Hitpoints per level. I've always thought it as somewhat confusing since Hull =/= Armor in EVE.
Just rename that skill too, then all guides out there is invalidated...
Geesh, why don't you rename the target painters too, that would be pwnage....
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Circumstantial Evidence
43
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:16:00 -
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And please discuss renaming rigs so all owned items and blueprints sort neatly by type :) |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
506
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Posted - 2012.07.18 01:08:00 -
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Only one graph? You really must be new... Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Paul Clancy
Korpu no Byakko Tower of Dark Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.07.18 05:34:00 -
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FoxFour, 2 additions, if possible
1. Rename Hull Upgrades skill to Armor Upgrades, it's logical 2. Note as in your 'auto-targeting' screenshot your names meet the right border. |
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
826
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Posted - 2012.07.18 05:43:00 -
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A list of fixes for the new inventory
Dual Pane idea clicky |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
90
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Posted - 2012.07.18 05:57:00 -
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Whew I was scared no more little things would get touched with CPP Punkturis on holiday. Thank the gods someone without seniority had to stay and work.
Awesome changes are awesome. |
Viscount Hood
Gallivanting Travel Company Luna Sanguinem
30
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Posted - 2012.07.18 07:56:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Viscount Hood wrote:Inherent Implants'Noble' Hull upgrades HG-1004 4% bonus to armor hitpoints
I really think that should read "Armor upgrades HG-1004" as it has nothing to do with hull (in Eve sense) I shall look into this. :)
Actually to be even more picky thinking the "HG" is for Hull perhaps its should read "Armor upgrades AG-1004" |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
57
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Posted - 2012.07.18 10:32:00 -
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Not empty quoting...
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Sessym
Superstructure Exposure Service
24
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Posted - 2012.07.18 10:36:00 -
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So, suddenly common sense on the market! Thousands of them!
CCP Foxfour's text reminds me of the goblin Grovel +1 for you if you know where this Goblin appeared _________ ,,,,,,,,,,,,,;;;;;####;;-------======-]> --,,,,,,,,,.... //_###_________------;;;;;;;;;;;;'''----======-]> --'''''"""" //_____/ ------- |
Virr Kotto
Protagonists Of Doom
0
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Posted - 2012.07.18 11:46:00 -
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Soooooo....
Does this mean an epidemic of OCD will soon be sweeping CCP and we can see the full glory of Station Walking finally done ASAP ?
It's past time -- time to man up and get it done.
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Trax Chasmwalker
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.07.18 13:00:00 -
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Hey, I want my F.O.F back, I dont want this long long AutoTargetingMissilesBlaBlaBla |
Mr Beardsley
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.07.18 16:14:00 -
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Anything that addresses the horrible inconsistency and lack of meaning in EVE's item naming scheme is a good thing. To those whining that making things more intuitive and consistent = "dumbing down" the game, well...I'm making a gesture that's considered very rude in Western society. |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising The Kali Cartel
85
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Posted - 2012.07.18 16:50:00 -
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Love teh graph! "- You want a sandwich, Bacon?" Support horizontal scrollbars in Eve! Click here, tyvm. |
Moraguth
Ranger Corp
35
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Posted - 2012.07.18 18:44:00 -
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just gonna throw this out there - "fire and forget" was the hot new shiny (IRL) when a missile could acquire a target while still on the rail, be launched, and then fly to the target and blow it up without any direct action from the pilot besides pressing the fire button. before that, missiles would be guided (via radio control to the cockpit, laser designator from a third party, or sometimes via wire even) and even 'flown into' their target. in eve, all missiles are fire and forget, even the bombs. you have no control over them once you hit the launch key. friend or foe (FoF) indicates the missile is not only fire and forget, but also seeks out any hostile target (being defined as red boxed due to hostile actions in eve). The missile decides which targets to go after, in what order, regardless of your wishes at all. (closest thing IRL i can think of is the HAARM missile, just seeks out the biggest RF signal which is most likely coming from a hostile targeting radar. or maybe the old school heat seeking missiles... they go after anything hot... those sluts)
this random bit of knowledge aside, FoF is still way better than "Auto-Targeting". Screen real estate is a big enough problem as it is, let's not add excess verbiage to make matters worse. I can kill you with my brain too. It's genetic. |
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