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Dubez
LEGION OF DEATHADDERS Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:51:00 -
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Quote:YouGÇÖve often told us that we promise too much and deliver too little, and this time we want to be certain that doesnGÇÖt happen.
You kind of just did that, again...
You just made an announcement of an announcement, in a Dev Blog. Take a step back for a minute and think how silly that sounds. |
Skaarl
United Amarr Templar Legion Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:51:00 -
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i wonder if zulu feels like colin powell did when bush sent him to lie to the united nations.... |
Steph Wing
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:51:00 -
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We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get hairy they instinctively stall for time. That, they certainly have done this week. First of we have the fallout over Incarna, an amazing example of company resource allocation gone wrong. A vision from years ago that has been re-purposed to serve as a prototype for CCP's other MMO project. It rolls out a midst massive controversy, in some cases larger than what has been seen before, this is the pinnacle of community insults. For all the hurf blurf and :promises: we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But CCP have done more, not only have they redefined their level of customer disconnect with Incarna but they have also defined what it really means to fail at communication, both internally a la resource allocation and externally a la CSM.
Naturally, they have caught the attention of the world. Only a few months ago they averted catastrophe over Monoclegate and now they have done it again by committing to their core purpose as a company by managing expectations.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having played this game for six years, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP do and less of what they say. Common sense takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
All that said, I couldn't be prouder of what we have accomplished as a community, knocking sense into Icelandic alpha males is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before. |
Chia Mulholland
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:51:00 -
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I am going to post my thoughts on this latest development soon. They're going to be super-exciting thoughts that I know you're all going to love.
Watch this space. |
Skeith Oumis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:51:00 -
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Honestly I would have rather seen no blog at all than seen that.
It's not confidence inspiring when all you say is "We're doing stuff because you asked us to!". The complete lack of even the lightest shred of details removes any credibility from your claim, and if anything it looks like a last minute stall post.
Look CCP, I don't claim to be the bittervet many other posters are, with only a few months of EVE under my belt (and a previous trial experience 2 years ago) I don't really qualify as the most jaded EVE player in the world.
But even I'm not so blind to see how hollow that post was. Most of us were expecting a "Big Update" this week. If this is that post, then, welp. |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:52:00 -
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"You've often told us that we promise too much and deliver too little, so we're going to promise something and deliver nothing." |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:52:00 -
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CCP's new release schedule is fine. It's what they've been releasing (and not releasing) that has been the issue.
As a former CSM and follower of this sort of thing, I've seen the "We hear you!" line used but not evidenced in later action. I will say this though, the TONE and SCALE of "We hear you!" is new.
CCP Zulu wrote:Over the past days and weeks, CCP has been doing extensive and intense introspection and revitalization. The result of this is a refocusing and reprioritization on a scale unheard of within our company.
That's new. It's long overdue (and always surprising it hasnt happened earlier each time i think about it) but if true and it's happening that's a very good sign.
I wont say I'm optimistic, but I WILL say I'm interested. |
thoth rothschild
Method of Destruction Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:52:00 -
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I'm pretty sure there can be a brilliant way to combine your prior visions of a future with great WiS elements and a new dawn to the old FiS and Spinning System. Just always ask yourself how would you like to experience the universe if you would be in space for real.
See your Ship approaching a large station, docking, a hughe hangar filled with ships and finally the experiience of being a small fly in a hughe station.
make everything just a smart adventure to expirience.
The solution always is a middle way of fixing, adding new things and making these new parts fitting perfectly within the already existing world. Smooth transition is the key. Constant change within the world. Enabling players to constantly change the world (sov) . The economist would say "stagnation is bad" as a player experience and as a process of development. |
Reyona
Nordic Innovations BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:53:00 -
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Well this is awesome. CCP really proves time and time again how amazing they are.
IBC, rly |
L1m9n1663r
The Treehugger Corp None Of The Above
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:53:00 -
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Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts... Do you? |
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Tanaka Aiko
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:53:00 -
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the link to the dev blog must be broken, as i don't find the shiny |
Taita Rama
Lightspeed Enterprises Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:54:00 -
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Jovan Geldon wrote:"You've often told us that we promise too much and deliver too little, so we're going to promise something and deliver nothing."
This. |
ADMlNlSTRATOR
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:54:00 -
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Here is me making a forum post after 4 pages of forum posts on a forum post about a dev blog post that announces some future dev log posts.
:words: |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:54:00 -
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Came expecting information, left disappointed. About par for the course. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:54:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:This blog is a content-less pile of crap.
CSM is once again being ignored in favor of some lofty vacuous corporate goal.
The funny thing is, it's so lofty we can't even see what it is.
Heck, at this point, I don't even think CCP knows what it is.
Care to give us a hint, guys? Please tell us it's not "keep them distracted until we can fix the CSM7 election and release DUST." |
Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:54:00 -
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What the hell was the point of posting this vacuous dribble? I've seen Tea Party announcements with more intellectual basis.
Is there some sort of genetic defect in Icelandians that makes you allergic to Public Relations? Go hire some Americans to tell you how to post BS and make it look good.
Yeesh. |
ShadowFire15
BOAE INC BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:54:00 -
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/me feels real good about this. I'm pro faction spawn |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:55:00 -
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Two step wrote:While the basic message of this dev blog is a good thing, I am extremely worried by the lack of details that have been communicated to the CSM previously. It would seem to me that the only reason to leave them out is to change direction. We all want more time and energy on spaceships, but we *need* the critical game breaking issues resolved, not just a pile of new things.
I have to say it would be prudent to learn from past mistakes and not decide on the details of this new direction wtihout running it by the CSM first.
I don't doubt that you have the best intentions, but there "has" been a tendency in the past to get enthused about something you are sure the player base will be behind 100%... but after the original good idea has been kicked around internally for a while the final proposition ends up missing the mark completely.
Just sayin' (in a hopefully tactful way).
I think that most will be pretty happy with a more equitable distribution of dev resources between projects old and new, internal and external to EVE. Especially if the resources devoted to iteration come up with a really well thought out way to solve major issues we have been dealing with forever. New shiney's have their place, and so does actually making Incarna interesting... but little things like making FW or PI or mining or SOV warfare worthwhile, interesting, and FUN should be the main focus.
We know you have committments elsewhere, but here is hoping that the heavy lifting on those other projects is done (18 months) and this refocus can happen without kicking them in the teeth. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
S0ulR3ap3r
Synergy Holdings Inc Cascade Associates
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:55:00 -
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(3:47:00 PM) dedddddddd *** directorbot: CCP have give us their bold vision for the future! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=91434 Absolutely not full of grade A bullXXXX (screw you solo filter). This is the result of months of negotiation and hard work. They took what we gave, gave us lofty words, then shat in our mouths. The time for negotiation is over, the time for anger has arrived. Express your feelings about their "meat filled (3:47:00 PM) dedddddddd *** This was a broadcast from vile_rat to all, replies are not monitored ***
get them bas t ards |
Bring Stabity
Magellanic Itg Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:55:00 -
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L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts... Do you?
not emptyquoting |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:56:00 -
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CCP Zulu wrote:Watch this space.
We've been watching it since H1 2009. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:56:00 -
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Katsura Kotonoha wrote:This is great news. I'm glad to hear that you are finally doing something about all of the.
You and I must have read different dev blogs... WHAT are they doing? |
FalconX Blast
Fly Drunk Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:56:00 -
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Stuff we had before is coming back. Maybe it should not have been taken away in the first place?
So, for those that never dock and live out of a POS and only care about the In Space Experience (as in outer space, among the stars, flying in a spaceship) when can we expect an update?
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EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:56:00 -
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L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts... Do you?
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:56:00 -
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L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts... Do you?
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Alina Wize
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:56:00 -
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L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts... Do you?
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azurisk
Space Tech Innovations S.T.C.
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
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Only one thing came to mind...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHfOejlvVsY
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Trevor Nokkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
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L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts... Do you?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
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Quite frankly, outside of the crowd of mouthbreathers that subscribe for a few months before burning out of boredom with level 4 missions in highsec, nobody cares about the fucking abortion that is Incarna. Bringing back ship spinning? Great, that's worthy of a footnote in the changelog, but we want to know what you're doing about iterative ship balancing. We want to know if you're reworking POS mechanics. We want to know if you're taking any serious look into nullsec. |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
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L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts... Do you?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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