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namron 7
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Posted - 2010.06.10 17:00:00 -
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Ive been a CEO for six months now and i have some questions
1. Do you ever see your job in EVE as herding sheep 2. Do you ever get burned out 3. Do you think that you cannot step down as there is no one else to take your place 4. Do you think that you could easily fire half the corp and it not impact on your productivity at all 5. Do you ever find that your senior members are dumb and act in a fantasy about a possible uncoming wardec 6. To you hate writing corp mails only to have every ask you the questions that were answered in the mail a few days or hours later. 7. Do you think that the corp would break apart if you you quit for a few weeks just to enjoy a bit of NPC doing nothing kind of time. 8. Do you ever wonder why you play this game as its a second job. 9. Do you ever just long to get in that cloaked warping ship that you have and just disappear into nullsec and live as a hermit (anyone who says its a dangerous place be aware that its mostly empty) 10. have you considered spending more time with your family
Other CEOs i feel your pain.
Lastly i would like to get about 20 CEOs into a new corp together for a short period of time and our only mission is to wardec our own corps just to prove to them that we were right all along and that they should be working as a team and not be a bunch of space tards who block up our team speak with there inane gibberings.
Ahh that felt better.
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Some Advisor
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Posted - 2010.06.10 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Some Advisor on 10/06/2010 17:22:18 ehh. its not nice to change your numbers and positions of the questions when i already answered them and now you messing them up :-/
nope a bit sometimes no worries, got a co ceo :P sure, but everyone likes some alts :P naa iam too lazy to write such mails nope nope were living in wh space, so basically were doing it on a much bigger scale, system with pos, production and all kind of fun :) nope nope whats family? i only got a cat, and shes so used to it that she sleeps ON my back of the chair to be close :P
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.06.10 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: namron 7 Edited by: namron 7 on 10/06/2010 17:07:22 Ive been a CEO for six months now and i have some questions
1. Do you ever see your job in EVE as herding sheep 2. Do you ever get burned out 3. Do you think that you cannot step down as there is no one else to take your place 4. Do you think that you could easily fire half the corp and it not impact on your productivity at all 5. Do you ever find that your senior members are dumb and act in a fantasy about a possible uncoming wardec 6. To you hate writing corp mails only to have every ask you the questions that were answered in the mail a few days or hours later. 7. Do you think that the corp would break apart if you you quit for a few weeks just to enjoy a bit of NPC doing nothing kind of time. 8. Do you ever wonder why you play this game as its a second job. 9. Do you ever just long to get in that cloaked warping ship that you have and just disappear into nullsec and live as a hermit (anyone who says its a dangerous place be aware that its mostly empty) 10. Have you ever tried to pull a war fleet together and found that people are asking you for fits when you emailed them one a week before 11. Have you ever had a war fleet were most of your corps cannot follow the most basic commands and it riles you as when you had some fleet training they were all absent for everyone as it was not productive for them. 12. have you considered spending more time with your family
Other CEOs i feel your pain.
Lastly i would like to get about 20 CEOs into a new corp together for a short period of time and our only mission is to wardec our own corps just to prove to them that we were right all along and that they should be working as a team and not be a bunch of space tards who block up our team speak with there inane gibberings.
Ahh that felt better.
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
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Tripoli
XenTech
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Posted - 2010.06.10 17:13:00 -
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1. At one point I did, but things are different these days. 2. Yes, I actually quit EVE for 2 months at one point. A move I regret to this day. 3. No, I have a close friend I met in EVE who has, and would once more, hold the reigns if needed. 4. I have done this. It had no effect. 5. In the past, but not a problem any more. 6. Yeah. 7. No, XenTech would live on, even with its fairly limited membership these days. 8. Occasionally. 9. I have wished for this, but real life restrictions prevent me from living a deep space life in EVE. 10. Yep. 11. Yep, this happened in CFS sometimes. 12. Considered? Yes. Do I?
--- All 397 skills trained.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.06.10 17:16:00 -
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All not so much of a problem if you don't recruit
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Syberbolt8
Gallente The Sacred Order of the Space Weasels Industrial Spearhead Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.10 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: namron 7 Edited by: namron 7 on 10/06/2010 17:07:22 Ive been a CEO for six months now and i have some questions
1. Do you ever see your job in EVE as herding sheep 2. Do you ever get burned out 3. Do you think that you cannot step down as there is no one else to take your place 4. Do you think that you could easily fire half the corp and it not impact on your productivity at all 5. Do you ever find that your senior members are dumb and act in a fantasy about a possible uncoming wardec 6. To you hate writing corp mails only to have every ask you the questions that were answered in the mail a few days or hours later. 7. Do you think that the corp would break apart if you you quit for a few weeks just to enjoy a bit of NPC doing nothing kind of time. 8. Do you ever wonder why you play this game as its a second job. 9. Do you ever just long to get in that cloaked warping ship that you have and just disappear into nullsec and live as a hermit (anyone who says its a dangerous place be aware that its mostly empty) 10. Have you ever tried to pull a war fleet together and found that people are asking you for fits when you emailed them one a week before 11. Have you ever had a war fleet were most of your corps cannot follow the most basic commands and it riles you as when you had some fleet training they were all absent for everyone as it was not productive for them. 12. have you considered spending more time with your family
Other CEOs i feel your pain.
Lastly i would like to get about 20 CEOs into a new corp together for a short period of time and our only mission is to wardec our own corps just to prove to them that we were right all along and that they should be working as a team and not be a bunch of space tards who block up our team speak with there inane gibberings.
Ahh that felt better.
This is why I quit being a ceo, Lack of leadership or people who gave a damn to do what they say they will do.
I'm much more happy a mindless drone when it comes to corp/alliance leadership, plus other activity's don't allow me time to play ceo anymore :( The Resurrection: Support the Revised Dead Horse Pos thread in Assembly Hall |
Letrange
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2010.06.10 17:16:00 -
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1. Do you ever see your job in EVE as herding sheep
Sheep? no. ADHD Cats? yes....
2. Do you ever get burned out
Yep. Since I blog it's even well documented
3. Do you think that you cannot step down as there is no one else to take your place
Been there done that. Volunteer someone you don't like >:D
4. Do you think that you could easily fire half the corp and it not impact on your productivity at all
No impact? Of course there would be an impact - it would improve.
5. Do you ever find that your senior members are dumb and act in a fantasy about a possible uncoming wardec
Yep, but remember it IS your job to steer that boat and bring the fantasies down to earth.
6. To you hate writing corp mails only to have every ask you the questions that were answered in the mail a few days or hours later.
That you get used to.
7. Do you think that the corp would break apart if you you quit for a few weeks just to enjoy a bit of NPC doing nothing kind of time.
Depends. It may be a sign you have too many hats. Nominate some lieutenants.
8. Do you ever wonder why you play this game as its a second job.
Dude you're a CEO, you wouldn't be doing it if you weren't slightly masochistic anyways.
9. Do you ever just long to get in that cloaked warping ship that you have and just disappear into nullsec and live as a hermit (anyone who says its a dangerous place be aware that its mostly empty)
Screw k-space, if you really want to get lost, you, your orca and an alt in wormhole space is much better.
10. Have you ever tried to pull a war fleet together and found that people are asking you for fits when you emailed them one a week before
Yep, roll without them and let em catch up.
11. Have you ever had a war fleet were most of your corps cannot follow the most basic commands and it riles you as when you had some fleet training they were all absent for everyone as it was not productive for them.
Yep.
12. have you considered spending more time with your family
Since I try to balance things so I have outside time anyways and EVE basically replaces 95% of what would be TV watching time, it's not an issue.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.06.10 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 10/06/2010 18:45:57
you might find the latest issue of Mittani's column at tentonhammer interesting to read.
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Jack Dant
Minmatar The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2010.06.10 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Letrange 1. Do you ever see your job in EVE as herding sheep
Sheep? no. ADHD Cats? yes....
So true
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Dek Kato
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.10 19:36:00 -
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1. No, there's more politics and coddling than with sheep. 2. Extremely. That's why I quit. 3. The CEO is central to the dynamic of the Corporation. Changing CEOs is VERY hard for a real Corp, especially if the replacement doesn't have much experience. 4. With all the inactives or people who would just sit in Corp and never talk or do anything with us, yes. Probably more like 75%. 5. Nope, we were never particularly afraid of them. We didn't go out of our way to get them, but it happens. 6. I learned to expect it and just be patient. You're going to repeat yourself, it's in the job description. 7. My Corp lasted less than a week when my computer died for a bit. Came back to a bunch of notifications and an empty Corp. 8. Yup. Another reason I quit CEOing. More work, no reward. 9. I just moved out to nullsec when the Corp fell apart. Being just a member of a Corp is so much easier and less stressful. 10. Nope, I tried to make sure everyone stayed prepared so this wouldn't happen. 11. Again, making sure people are prepared, or they get kicked from comms and left to die. Can't lose a fleet for some idiot who didn't learn when he should have. 12. That would require leaving my internet spaceships.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Thread locked due to troll convention.
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namron 7
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Posted - 2010.06.11 02:50:00 -
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Those were some great answers and im glad to know that i am not suffering alone. Perhaps we should start some form of CEO support group
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.06.11 03:00:00 -
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did it for about 2.5-3 years. then i ran RAN , left the corp i had founded with my friend in '04 and decided to be a little guy. hopped corps a couple times and honestly, i don't think i could ever do it again
don't get me wrong, it was a great experience. i took a lot away from it and was very proud of my guys but in the end it was simply more work than I could juggle while keeping my RL intact.
the trick? find a couple very capable guys that do not like each other, make them your 2nds in command take a break when you need to. when your gone. those 2 run the show. if they can agree and move forward on something, it will likely be the right move. "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Ocih
Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.11 03:02:00 -
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Dal Thrax
Polaris Rising The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.06.11 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: namron 7 Edited by: namron 7 on 10/06/2010 17:22:09 Edited by: namron 7 on 10/06/2010 17:07:22 Ive been a CEO for six months now and i have some questions
1. Do you ever see your job in EVE as herding sheep
Maybe herding cats but not sheep.
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2. Do you ever get burned out
Yes
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3. Do you think that you cannot step down as there is no one else to take your place
Actually I was amazed that somebody wanted to job when I stepped down.
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4. Do you think that you could easily fire half the corp and it not impact on your productivity at all
Why would I want to kick my friends out of the corp? (No not really, though when we moved out to 0.0 I did have some hair pulling moments with more carebear oriented members).
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5. Do you ever find that your senior members are dumb and act in a fantasy about a possible uncoming wardec
No. Then again we were out in low sec. I think our members correctly understood the meaning of a wardec in low sec.
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6. To you hate writing corp mails only to have everyone ask you the questions that were answered in the mail a few days or hours later.
Corp mails stuck around in the old days but yes.
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7. Do you think that the corp would break apart if you you quit for a few weeks just to enjoy a bit of NPC doing nothing kind of time.
No, but extreme prolonged absences can be bad.
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8. Do you ever wonder why you play this game as its a second job.
When I was a CEO, yes. A lot of that was dealing with alliance level politics though.
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9. Do you ever just long to get in that cloaked warping ship that you have and just disappear into nullsec and live as a hermit (anyone who says its a dangerous place be aware that its mostly empty)
My successor as CEO basically did that, though it was going down a wormhole and never coming back.
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10. Have you ever tried to pull a war fleet together and found that people are asking you for fits when you emailed them one a week before
Um can't you save corp fits these days?
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11. Have you ever had a war fleet were most of your corps cannot follow the most basic commands and it riles you as when you had some fleet training they were all absent for every one as it was not productive for them.
No, but I've known some (supposedly PvP!) corps in 0.0 who fit that description to a tea.
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12. have you considered spending more time with your family
Why the hell did I just waste ten minutes of my life answering these questions. Time to go watch mythbusters with the family...
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Other CEOs i feel your pain.
Lastly i would like to get about 20 CEOs into a new corp together for a short period of time and our only mission is to wardec our own corps just to prove to them that we were right all along and that they should be working as a team and not be a bunch of space tards who block up our team speak with there inane gibberings.
Ahh that felt better.
Um no.
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Kohana Chayton
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.11 03:12:00 -
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A long time ago, in a land far far away, on a now defunct account (I lost the account information, don't ask, long story, and it involves women) I was a ceo of a 30 man corp. We had a bunch of great guys and gals (2 real life chicks in 1 corp!) but as with everything in life, the corp eventually imploded due to real life, personality conflicts, and several core members quitting eve (most due to RL issues).
I had a few of the problems you described, but overall my experience was very positive. Would I do it again? Maybe.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist OK everyone, please play nicely. There is no need to start getting angry or show off your Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Troll impression.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.06.11 04:34:00 -
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1. Do you ever see your job in EVE as herding sheep Yes, which is why I stopped trying. My corp is mainly social now, and everyone who wants to join is told this up front. It's a social group, don't expect many big benefits, but in return, I don't expect any major commitments.
2. Do you ever get burned out Yup - to the point where I ended up getting a second account so that I can play Eve and not be bothered all the time.
3. Do you think that you cannot step down as there is no one else to take your place Yes. I would like to step down, but I have yet to find someone in my corp that is capable of taking things over.
4. Do you think that you could easily fire half the corp and it not impact on your productivity at all There would be an impact on my productivity - it would be a positive one. I spend time taking care of things so that everyone has access to a tower for research purposes, and I try to keep some diplomacy going with a few other people so that things are nice and peaceful. If I didn't have to do that, I could spend a lot of time benefiting me.
5. Do you ever find that your senior members are dumb and act in a fantasy about a possible uncoming wardec A war dec? Ha. Most of my guys wouldn't see the outside of a station if a war dec came in.
6. To you hate writing corp mails only to have everyone ask you the questions that were answered in the mail a few days or hours later. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
7. Do you think that the corp would break apart if you you quit for a few weeks just to enjoy a bit of NPC doing nothing kind of time. I doubt it, but you never know. I had someone who wanted to war dec Suddenly Ninjas because some salvage was "stolen". Can you imagine what kind of trouble that kind of attitude could cause?
8. Do you ever wonder why you play this game as its a second job. Well, something has to fund my second account's PVP expenses... And I like to help people. Just... I wish I didn't like to help people so much.
9. Do you ever just long to get in that cloaked warping ship that you have and just disappear into nullsec and live as a hermit (anyone who says its a dangerous place be aware that its mostly empty) Precisely why I have my second account. I can disappear and enter a world of zero politics. My pew pew pirate critter is barely even in a corporation with how dead it has been there... And I love it!
10. Have you ever tried to pull a war fleet together and found that people are asking you for fits when you emailed them one a week before Yup. I have had roams into low sec and WH space. I was happy to help with fits. What do I get? Idiocy that, to this day, dumbfounds me. It's hopeless!!!
11. Have you ever had a war fleet were most of your corps cannot follow the most basic commands and it riles you as when you had some fleet training they were all absent for every one as it was not productive for them. Yes.
12. have you considered spending more time with your family My familiy consists of my dogs, and they get plenty of attention as it is.
Quote: Lastly i would like to get about 20 CEOs into a new corp together for a short period of time and our only mission is to wardec our own corps.
Why not hire a merc corp and giggle while watching it fall apart from the inside?
I'm often disappointed in my boys but I'm not vindictive. It's like a young ******ed child - they can't help it, they're just born dumb.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.11 04:59:00 -
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1. Nope 2. No I have directors take some of the load 3. CO-ceo ftw 4. nope 5. nope 6. never happens 7. prolly 8. Nope i lvoe my second job. 9. only if i can bring my director staff with me. 10. nope 11. yes 12. yes.
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Golden Helmet
Caldari The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.11 07:10:00 -
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1: More like herding lemmings, in my corps case. But truthfully, I've scored the CEO jackpot, my guys generally don't need me around to keep their ducks in a row.
2: I used to, but not since my corp was formed. The key, I think, is to form a corp that does what YOU want, then just recruit likeminded people that want to do the same stuff you do. That way you're always in good company, and always doing something you enjoy.
3: Easily, our corp is structured to allow exactly that if needed. We've always run with a dual-CEO system, so if one needs to step away for whatever reason, the other is still there. Since both myself and the other co-CEO had rl **** at the same time, now we have a triple-CEO system
We also have the corp shares set up so that in the event whoever is holding the formal CEO title goes MIA (car accident, ninjas, whatever), the others can reclaim the formal CEO position. Handy little precaution to take, just incase the worst-case scenario hits.
4: I could boot half the corp, but then the other half would hate me and leave. Doesn't mean I'm not tempted sometimes though
5: They wouldn't be senior members if they were dumb. If you have dumb people as directors \ sub-directors, then you yourself are stupid and shouldn't be CEO.
6: I've given up. The most common question with my lemmings is "What are we doing?" "Where are we?" "Guys, what's going on?" Goddamn lemmings can't read a damn mail....
7: Not a chance. Like I said, we run a multi-CEO system, so I could easily wander off to goof around and not worry about my corp going poof.
8: It's only a second job if you make it one. Like I said, I hit CEO jackpot. I'm the laziest damn CEO there ever was and we still survive (Thanks in no small part to the other two CEO's and our sub-directors. They enable my laziness.)
9: Nope.
10: If they can't figure out a basic fit, they won't last long in this corp
11: We're pirates, we blow stuff up every day. Occasionally someone will jump through the gate when instructed not to, but apart from the occasional ****** who gets booted after a week, we don't have that problem.
12: I have, and I do. See previous points about the multi-CEO system.
Also, in case anyone from my corp reads this, insert the mandatory "PYTHON IZ DYING!11!1!!!" here.
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Jamie Banks
Gallente Wasted and Still Mining
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Posted - 2010.06.11 09:41:00 -
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Only bad thing about acting as CEO imo is the lack of accountability.
This inherently isn't a CEO issue, it is an EVE wide dilemma.
The wide lack of accountability due to no logs/evidence being left for when Corp Assets are modified and the inherent nature of EVE being the cold dark and harsh place which rewards selfishness and backstabbing is why I believe being a CEO is such a pain in the ass job; A 'job' ith high risk, limited reward (depending on the corpies) and normally a thankless job.
This is why I believe a good corp is one, where you all know each other in real life, keep the numbers low to ensure trust and tight-knit friendships where you have accountability, trust and know what to expect from each other. _____________________________
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.06.11 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Letrange 1. Do you ever see your job in EVE as herding sheep
Sheep? no. ADHD Cats? yes....
Like this? :)
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.06.11 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: namron 7 Do you ever see your job in EVE as herding sheep
I think the clichT you're looking for is "herding cats".
And also, I went to the office supply store and bought you some question marks, They look great on the end of questions. They don't go bad, so you can use them whenever:
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.11 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Marko Riva on 11/06/2010 11:20:32 1 sometimes 2 sometimes 3 for the cohesion of the corp yes 4 no, I hand pick members for the corp and keep an eye out 5 see 4, also members are picked on not being stupid, not neccesarily good eve pilots yet, but more on the promise that they can and want to learn 6 not an issue with us, see 5 7 no 8 I don't 9 nope 10 nope, see 4&5 11 nope, see 10 12 hell no
In short, you reap what you sow. If you just take on members, don't help them in learning stuff (either because your cba or you're incapable of explaining stuff) and not make sure you value quality over quantity then you'll get lemmings.
Your own fault.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.11 14:25:00 -
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On and off ran a w-hole corp with a group of friends.
1. Do you ever see your job in EVE as herding sheep At times, though this meant a lot of the time they were making use of the corp facilities independently.
2. Do you ever get burned out I ended up completely burnt out, left to be a nobody in a PvP corp. Still have an alt in the corp.
3. Do you think that you cannot step down as there is no one else to take your place Over 18 months that corp has had 7-8 CEOs, some people have been CEO multiple times. Someone always setps up with new / renewed energy and improves the corp.
4. Do you think that you could easily fire half the corp and it not impact on your productivity at all Only the half inactive half, and they'd just reapply when they came back. In fact the corp tends to clear it's ranks of inactive members fairly frequently.
5. Do you ever find that your senior members are dumb and act in a fantasy about a possible uncoming wardec They don't end up as a senior member if they're dumb, on the one occasion a director went too far he was quietly demoted.
6. To you hate writing corp mails only to have everyone ask you the questions that were answered in the mail a few days or hours later. Forums are your friend, that corp was born from a forum so unsurprisingly members make good use of the corp forum.
7. Do you think that the corp would break apart if you you quit for a few weeks just to enjoy a bit of NPC doing nothing kind of time. See 3.
8. Do you ever wonder why you play this game as its a second job. I reached that stage and quit the role, then RL got rather too serious and I joined DMNA to turn it more into relaxation.
9. Do you ever just long to get in that cloaked warping ship that you have and just disappear into nullsec and live as a hermit (anyone who says its a dangerous place be aware that its mostly empty) See 8.
10. Have you ever tried to pull a war fleet together and found that people are asking you for fits when you emailed them one a week before 11. Have you ever had a war fleet were most of your corps cannot follow the most basic commands and it riles you as when you had some fleet training they were all absent for every one as it was not productive for them. Corp sent people on the Agony course, those who would fight go on roams, forums are filled ship fits and discussions. Newer players get plenty of help and advice. So while this may not be perfect, if you're not taking yourself too seriously nothing too embarrassing ever happens. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards. |
Kuar Z'thain
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.11 15:17:00 -
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You think that's bad, try holding Sov while being a CEO.
Anywho, moral of the story: DELEGATE DELEGATE DELEGATE. Don't try to do everything yourself; you can't.
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Amanda Mor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.11 17:17:00 -
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These problems don't crop up as much if you have a small corp - however, I just got back from a 4 day break, and my 8 man corp had been kicked from our recently joined alliance due to my director ****ing off a few of the higher ups; he also attempted a hostile takeover of the corp, but that was just a joke...
If you're CEO of a corp large enough to have those problems you listed, then you better be the type that enjoys it or you'll kill yourself (in RL). ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that... |
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