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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kimbeau Surveryor There is of course no point in trying to explain the viewpoint of PvE-ers to PvP-ers. If they had any empathy at all, they wouldn't enjoy a game style which involves nothing except destroying other people's property!
Avoiding pirates in lowsec is not hard. In fact it is about as hard as avoiding people in 0.0 while ratting/plexing/running level 4s.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kimbeau Surveryor It's not hard, but it's boring. And extremely annoying when you slip up.
But it doesnt stop you from ever doing level Vs. The only thing that does stop people from doing level Vs is themselves.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kimbeau Surveryor
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Kimbeau Surveryor It's not hard, but it's boring. And extremely annoying when you slip up.
But it doesnt stop you from ever doing level Vs. The only thing that does stop people from doing level Vs is themselves.
Yes, true. But as I said earlier, this issue is really about whether missioneers will continue to enjoy Eve or not. Ultimately, the only thing stopping people from leaving Eve is themselves, too.
Well I know a few people who do level Vs in low sec with no problems. I also know people who run around doing missions in FW and in 0.0 with no problems and they all find it fun to do (or as fun as missions can be). These missions have always been advertised as a low sec activity and this change is not going to make any difference to the people who are wiling to take risk other than removing the risk of the high sec/low sec gatecamps which are far more widespread than roaming gangs of pirates with probers.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Capt Decker Why in the world or I should say in space did you people do this "However, while that particular distribution bug was fixed, agents may still occasionally send you to a 0.5 system for a level 5 mission. This quirk is being looked into; once it has been resolved, level 5 missions always occur in low- or null-sec systems." I am a mission runner/miner in High Sec only. I do not go into low sec - why- because I'm not wasting my decked out Golem or other expensive ships by get blow up by Criminals who just want to run in gangs and destroy people. Not my ideal of fun after a hard day at work, my ideal fun is PVC and mining. So why don't you Tech guys get with your PR people and you finance people and send out a survey to all the players and find out which is more important to the players, making people move to low sec (where you have to watch your back all the time because some one else just wants to destroy you for "their fun")because that is where you can only find updated and harder level missions, or High sec were you can do your thing without having to worry if someone or group is going jump you and destroy all you've worked hard for over the course of 4 - 5 years. I pay MY hard earned cash like everyone else, so I should be able to play my way with out worrying about getting destroyed. I would love to be able to run level 5 and maybe in the future level 6 missions in high sec all the time. Finding out the answer just may make your bottom line go up and not only keep current players, but get a lot of new ones to join and stay around longer then a month or 2. P.S. Please CCP, get in touch and we can discuss this further.
You are playing the wrong game.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Phasmatisss A very egotistical comment don't you think.
CCP promotes their sandbox publicly and heavily as a place for people to play any way they want. Yet you are telling him his game play/style is wrong. I guess some one promoted you to God while we were all sleeping.
He wants no risk in a game that offers risk vs reward. Quite simply EVE will not cater to his needs.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: NuNu GayGoBar Edited by: NuNu GayGoBar on 12/06/2010 15:01:58
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Phasmatisss A very egotistical comment don't you think.
CCP promotes their sandbox publicly and heavily as a place for people to play any way they want. Yet you are telling him his game play/style is wrong. I guess some one promoted you to God while we were all sleeping.
He wants no risk in a game that offers risk vs reward. Quite simply EVE will not cater to his needs.
Does eve really offer risk vs reward?
Level 4 missions in 0.0 are a hell of a lot better than in high sec.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kimbeau Surveryor I really don't see why the PvP-ers are moaning so much about our moans. We're not saying we want huge ISK-fawcets; we're just asking to be allowed to play Eve with the challenges we enjoy. By all means nerf the rewards if you think they're distorting the economy, but don't force us to play a game we don't enjoy. Unless CCP really do want PvE-ers to leave?
Level V missions were made for low sec so it stands to reason that they take place in lowsec.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.06.12 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kimbeau Surveryor I think I'd rather take the view "Eve was made to be fun for as many people as possible (presumably, since that maximises income for CCP), so it stands to reason that it should provide the gameplay to maximise the number of people who find it fun."
No I'll stick with them making level Vs for low sec to bring some worth into going into low sec. Thankfully CCP are continuing to stick to their guns and refuse to go after the non existent masses like many other failed MMOs have tried to do.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.06.12 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sandar Orontur The argument 'Lvl 5s were never meant to be in high sec' is just non-sense. If they weren't, CCP should have fixed it.
They are fixing it now. You also do not need a fleet to do them.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.06.12 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sandar Orontur
Originally by: baltec1
They are fixing it now.
Yes, after how many years...? Exactly my point. If you consider something a problem, you fix it. Even if you're CCP, it doesn't take several years to change this. In the meantime, you're just inviting people to use the available game mechanics.
I fly a vengence so I have a good idea of what it is like to wait on a fix. Also the rewards for level Vs is well worth the risk as a smart pilot wont get himself killed in low sec.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.06.12 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sandar Orontur
Originally by: baltec1
I fly a vengence so I have a good idea of what it is like to wait on a fix.
So you prefer CCP rather spend time on this oh-so-important lvl5 'problem' than fixing some real problems, e.g. with ships. I think we have somewhat different priorities here...
Originally by: baltec1
Also the rewards for level Vs is well worth the risk as a smart pilot wont get himself killed in low sec.
LOLs. Right, all those pilots who ever lost a ship in low sec only did so because they're simply stupid....
Risk/reward: Take e.g. a well fit passive rattler, that makes roundabout a bil. Now I haven't done the experiment to fly such regularly into low sec and see how long it takes to get probed out and what the chances are to still get outta there. But from flying other ships into plexes there, yes, you do get found and you do lose some fraction of those ships. Most people won't consider the risk/reward ratio worth it for doing the same in a 1 bil ship for the reward of a lvl5.
You dont need a passive rattlesnake to do level Vs. But if you did choose to use one then it will be as dangerous as taking one out in 0.0 space to do missions there. Quite honestly if you do not see the probes on scan or the people jumping into system then you deserve to get killed for your lack of attention. I take far more risks taking out my ratting ship in venal for far less reward.
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