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Skittnator
Caldari Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:53:00 -
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I do not know how CCP has allowed people to keep doing this but its absolutely infuriating... Alot of people call it a game mechanic, but if done right nothing can stop you and you are invulnerable to all tackle, attack, etc [sounds like an exploit to me].... even orcas are doing it now in low sec which is disgusting... if you fly anything above a cruiser in low sec and null sec you should have to have a scout and play smart like everyone else or be shot up... damnit... And noone say anything about putting cans around the gate at 12 km, if there is any sort of lag had by the claoky it is an exploit. and I don't have 20 frig alts to orbit the gate. Do any other PVPer's have any way of beating this cheat? Angels of Death EVE Corporation is Recruiting New and Old Pilots!!! |
Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 16/06/2010 23:59:35
Pfft, there is an easy fix to that:
1) sit interceptor at gate with MWD active but not moving
2) when ship decloaks the first time, spam doubleclicks on overview
3) when your inty starts moving, spam "set max speed"
4) ???
5) profit
Edit: It is very simply and pretty much foolproof, I regularly decloak force recons that way, no mwd-cloak monkey will ever get away.
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Skittnator
Caldari Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:08:00 -
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we have tried, with 2 inties, but the point is that we don't like to use people who could be in a BS or BC to be in a frig orbiting the gate... and they cannot engage in low sec as they will be insta-poped by guns unless they do the ol' hit n' run. But the matter of the fact is that it seems 100% like an exploit and yet more and more and everyone along with their mum and hows your father are using it. but ya, the inties or frigs are the only solution, but it shouldn't have to be done to correct an exploit. Angels of Death EVE Corporation is Recruiting New and Old Pilots!!! |
Mrs Libra
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:31:00 -
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Poor little pirate :'(
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 17/06/2010 00:34:04
You obviously did it wrong when your inties were orbiting, it is a lot less effective that way.
Fact of the matter is you need only one pilot in an interceptor, and it has been stated numerous times it is NOT an exploit.
So I'd suggest you either bring that one ceptor, or deal with it and stop complaining.
Edit: And for the record, I think its the ultimate cowards move as well, but then again there are no sweeter tears than those of a coward. Since its so simple to catch them it is easy to make those tears flow, so its a win-win situation in the end.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:33:00 -
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Quote: we have tried, with 2 inties, but the point is that we don't like to use people who could be in a BS or BC to be in a frig orbiting the gate... and they cannot engage in low sec as they will be insta-poped by guns unless they do the ol' hit n' run.
Wait, WHAT?! You mean you have to sacrifice DPS to counter a specific strategy that has the sole purpose and benefit of getting through gatecamps! TERRIBLE!
Quote: But the matter of the fact is that it seems 100% like an exploit and yet more and more and everyone along with their mum and hows your father are using it. but ya, the inties or frigs are the only solution, but it shouldn't have to be done to correct an exploit.
You want to explain how it's an exploit? I'm pretty sure the fact that modules run for one cycle while cloaked is an intended game mechanic.
Guess what? Awhile back (I forget exactly what patch it was), CCP released a bugfix that, among other things, changed the way ECM worked while cloaking. This had the side-effect of preventing this "Exploit"...MWDs immediately deactivated when cloaks started.
Within a day, CCP made a post apologizing for the bug they had introduced and released a hotfix to revert it to previous behavior.
Working as intended.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Within a day, CCP made a post apologizing for the bug they had introduced and released a hotfix to revert it to previous behavior.
Well, lets be realistic here, CCP also broke covert ops cloaks with their fix and thus made 0.0 recon operations pretty much impossible, nobody apart from carebears would have complained if they just fixed regular cloaks.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:40:00 -
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Quote: Well, lets be realistic here, CCP also broke covert ops cloaks with their fix and thus made 0.0 recon operations pretty much impossible, nobody apart from carebears would have complained if they just fixed regular cloaks.
They didn't break covert ops cloaks. Covert ops cloaks function under the same mechanic.
It was a bugfix. Regardless of who would have complained, the ability for people to MWD for one cycle while under cloak is an intended game mechanic. If you'd like to argue that it's a bad mechanic, then go right ahead (though you'd be wrong; it's one of the few mechanics that makes lowsec safer than nullsec).
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Skittnator
Caldari Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan And for the record, I think its the ultimate cowards move as well, but then again there are no sweeter tears than those of a coward. Since its so simple to catch them it is easy to make those tears flow, so its a win-win situation in the end.
<3 but why is it that this is so much of a problem now than before>? before this week i had only seen 1-2 MWD cloakies, but know everyone and thier mom are doing it, was there another popular carebear exploit post about it? plain and simple, you shouldn't be able to fly in low sec invulnerable, fly only what you are willing to lose in low sec... Angels of Death EVE Corporation is Recruiting New and Old Pilots!!! |
Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 17/06/2010 00:55:34
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
They didn't break covert ops cloaks. Covert ops cloaks function under the same mechanic.
No they dont, I get the impression you do not really understand the game mechanic there.
The covert ops cloak does not limit your speed, and thus does not need this little "trick" to get to warp speed.
Regular cloaks on the other hand limit your ship to a speed where it would not be able to warp immediately after decloaking. They can only do so due to a glitch when calculating max speed vs current speed after decloaking with a running MWD cycle.
A completely different mechanic, covert ops ships can instantly warp after dropping cloak (what they dont even need to do since they can warp cloaked) regardless if they have a MWD cycle running, regular cloaks can only do this in combination with the MWD.
Edit: To make it more clear, the issue is not being able to use MWDs under cloak for one cycle, the issue is regular cloaks can be abused to achieve instant warp after dropping cloak, which they are clearly not intended to do if we look at the module attributes carefully.
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z0mgAlt
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:38:00 -
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op sounds mad, this is totally legit tbh
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 02:19:00 -
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Quote: The covert ops cloak does not limit your speed, and thus does not need this little "trick" to get to warp speed.
Irrelevant, it's still the same mechanic. It's just that covops cloaks lack a speed reduction.
Quote: Edit: To make it more clear, the issue is not being able to use MWDs under cloak for one cycle, the issue is regular cloaks can be abused to achieve instant warp after dropping cloak, which they are clearly not intended to do if we look at the module attributes carefully.
Apparently CCP doesn't agree that it's a bug because they never changed it despite many opportunities to do so.
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Shade Millith
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.17 05:25:00 -
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The biggest problem with their 'fix' to that cloak thing, was that it caused people to warp stupidly quick with a MWD/Cloak
IIRC, someone posted a video of getting a carrier into warp in under 10 seconds without web assistance
A T1 hauler/BC/BS could get into warp in 2-3 seconds ------------------------
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.06.17 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Skittnator I do not know how CCP has allowed people to keep doing this but its absolutely infuriating...
blah blah rabble rabble
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Skittnator
Caldari Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Skittnator I do not know how CCP has allowed people to keep doing this but its absolutely infuriating...
blah blah rabble rabble
Welcome to 2007
WOW buddy, you can troll!!! what skills you have, thanx for contributing to the convo! for real!!!111!!!!!1! Angels of Death EVE Corporation is Recruiting New and Old Pilots!!! |
Ikonia
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Posted - 2010.06.17 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Skittnator I do not know how CCP has allowed people to keep doing this but its absolutely infuriating... Alot of people call it a game mechanic, but if done right nothing can stop you and you are invulnerable to all tackle, attack, etc [sounds like an exploit to me].... even orcas are doing it now in low sec which is disgusting... if you fly anything above a cruiser in low sec and null sec you should have to have a scout and play smart like everyone else or be shot up... damnit... And noone say anything about putting cans around the gate at 12 km, if there is any sort of lag had by the claoky it is an exploit. and I don't have 20 frig alts to orbit the gate. Do any other PVPer's have any way of beating this cheat?
Well, simple solution. Don't go gate camping. If they are to fast, you are too slow. --- Honker:"Damn! Ok, I'll go and loot my wife now..." --- HighSec Gankers? Well, every world has its psychpaths. |
foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.17 08:24:00 -
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Poor troll 2/10. _______________________ We come for our people! |
Sutskop
Minmatar PILSGESCHWADER
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Skittnator I want to sit on a gate with 5 buddys in battleships and just point and kill! after all I'm a pirate!
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Malevolent Miko
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:14:00 -
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Yawn....whats up pirate ? 'it's not fair, i'm having trouble ganking other players, they keep getting past my gate camp' B***h B***h B***h Moan Moan Moan
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Miilla
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 17/06/2010 11:35:16
Why can you not just be "smart" and find another way to achieve your goal without resorting to crying "it's not fair" on a forum?
Eve is a sandbox, go "discover" "methods" of "achieving" your "task".
Or perhaps eve isnt your cup of tea? Take a look at "KOTOR" MMO? (I am :)) |
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Arwen Tyler
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Skittnator I do not know how CCP has allowed people to keep doing this but its absolutely infuriating...
.... even orcas are doing it now in low sec which is disgusting... if you fly anything above a cruiser in low sec and null sec you should have to have a scout and play smart like everyone else or be shot up... damnit... Do any other PVPer's have any way of beating this cheat?........
Carebear ganker complaining people are getting away then claims he a pvp'er ! Cry much ?.......
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Skittnator you shouldn't be able to fly in low sec invulnerable
How are they invulnerable? You have been told quite early on in this thread how to conter this tactic and break the cloak on the 'carebear'.
Seems to me you are just complaining because this tactic makes carebears 'invulnrable' to you and your fail gatecamp mate.
------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Scout Ops
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:31:00 -
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Yet another griefers vs carebears emothread
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Casmy Blue
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Casmy Blue on 17/06/2010 13:27:55 Did we seriously need another thread where some stupid kid who's probably gate camped three times in his life *****es about how MWDs are ruining his playing experience?
And then all of the responses from people who probably haven't even done more than three hours of hauling through gate camps call him out on it?
I mean really, this one's been done to death guys.
I have a character that I FREQUENTLY run around in low-sec gangs with and I've FREQUENTLY also been hauling in remote systems with my PI-frenzied hauler alt. By the way kids, most of us don't only JUST PvP or JUST do industry. But back to the gate camping side of things, the number of people that are stupid and jump into a gate camp unprepared and get popped FAR OUTWEIGH the number of "HEY ITS AN ORCA WITH THE MWD/CLOAK TRICK" people that we see.
And no, catching them isn't as simple as "o just go decloak tehm with an inty np np". Yeah, it works once in a blue moon, but the ******s saying "DUDE YAH LOL WRKS EVRY TIEM NP IVE CAUGHT TEHM ALL" are idiots - they've also probably never tried it themselves.
On the flipside, if I'm IN AN ORCA and I've decided to take the risk of soloing through low-sec systems, much less gate camps, YOU CAN BET YOUR ASS that I'm going to be using the MWD/cloak trick.
You know how you can tell if Eve isn't the game for you?
You don't adapt.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:27:00 -
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Quote: but then again there are no sweeter tears than those of a coward
Maybe not as sweet, but with the added salt gankbear tears taste way better.
Proof: Gankbear tears
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Skittnator I do not know how CCP has allowed people to keep doing this but its absolutely infuriating... Alot of people call it a game mechanic, but if done right nothing can stop you and you are invulnerable to all tackle, attack, etc [sounds like an exploit to me].... even orcas are doing it now in low sec which is disgusting... if you fly anything above a cruiser in low sec and null sec you should have to have a scout and play smart like everyone else or be shot up... damnit... And noone say anything about putting cans around the gate at 12 km, if there is any sort of lag had by the claoky it is an exploit. and I don't have 20 frig alts to orbit the gate. Do any other PVPer's have any way of beating this cheat?
Use a bubble & stfu. - Support DISBANDING the Alliance CCP Renamed at the Alliance's Request |
Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:55:00 -
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I'm the guy (and my newbie corp mate) the OP is raging about. I'm sorry that all you do in EVE is fly big ships and rely on numbers without actuallly knowing what you're doing but there's no exploit at work. It's called knowledge and experience.
As long as you bunch of bozos keep hunting us with Vindicators, Bhaalgorns and similarly large crap like that you will never catch us. It's not rocket science now is it.
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:56:00 -
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Love the recruiting line thrown in at the bottom of every post, OP.
"We moan and cry and moastly fail - but come join us!"
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Gorp
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:34:00 -
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'exploit' lol. That word does not mean what you think it means.
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Tozmeister
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:47:00 -
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Marko, just start a thread in C&P about which gates these guys camp in their Bhaalgorns then sit back and watch the fireworks.
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