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Skittnator
Caldari Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:53:00 -
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I do not know how CCP has allowed people to keep doing this but its absolutely infuriating... Alot of people call it a game mechanic, but if done right nothing can stop you and you are invulnerable to all tackle, attack, etc [sounds like an exploit to me].... even orcas are doing it now in low sec which is disgusting... if you fly anything above a cruiser in low sec and null sec you should have to have a scout and play smart like everyone else or be shot up... damnit... And noone say anything about putting cans around the gate at 12 km, if there is any sort of lag had by the claoky it is an exploit. and I don't have 20 frig alts to orbit the gate. Do any other PVPer's have any way of beating this cheat? Angels of Death EVE Corporation is Recruiting New and Old Pilots!!! |
Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 16/06/2010 23:59:35
Pfft, there is an easy fix to that:
1) sit interceptor at gate with MWD active but not moving
2) when ship decloaks the first time, spam doubleclicks on overview
3) when your inty starts moving, spam "set max speed"
4) ???
5) profit
Edit: It is very simply and pretty much foolproof, I regularly decloak force recons that way, no mwd-cloak monkey will ever get away.
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Skittnator
Caldari Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:08:00 -
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we have tried, with 2 inties, but the point is that we don't like to use people who could be in a BS or BC to be in a frig orbiting the gate... and they cannot engage in low sec as they will be insta-poped by guns unless they do the ol' hit n' run. But the matter of the fact is that it seems 100% like an exploit and yet more and more and everyone along with their mum and hows your father are using it. but ya, the inties or frigs are the only solution, but it shouldn't have to be done to correct an exploit. Angels of Death EVE Corporation is Recruiting New and Old Pilots!!! |
Mrs Libra
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:31:00 -
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Poor little pirate :'(
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 17/06/2010 00:34:04
You obviously did it wrong when your inties were orbiting, it is a lot less effective that way.
Fact of the matter is you need only one pilot in an interceptor, and it has been stated numerous times it is NOT an exploit.
So I'd suggest you either bring that one ceptor, or deal with it and stop complaining.
Edit: And for the record, I think its the ultimate cowards move as well, but then again there are no sweeter tears than those of a coward. Since its so simple to catch them it is easy to make those tears flow, so its a win-win situation in the end.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:33:00 -
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Quote: we have tried, with 2 inties, but the point is that we don't like to use people who could be in a BS or BC to be in a frig orbiting the gate... and they cannot engage in low sec as they will be insta-poped by guns unless they do the ol' hit n' run.
Wait, WHAT?! You mean you have to sacrifice DPS to counter a specific strategy that has the sole purpose and benefit of getting through gatecamps! TERRIBLE!
Quote: But the matter of the fact is that it seems 100% like an exploit and yet more and more and everyone along with their mum and hows your father are using it. but ya, the inties or frigs are the only solution, but it shouldn't have to be done to correct an exploit.
You want to explain how it's an exploit? I'm pretty sure the fact that modules run for one cycle while cloaked is an intended game mechanic.
Guess what? Awhile back (I forget exactly what patch it was), CCP released a bugfix that, among other things, changed the way ECM worked while cloaking. This had the side-effect of preventing this "Exploit"...MWDs immediately deactivated when cloaks started.
Within a day, CCP made a post apologizing for the bug they had introduced and released a hotfix to revert it to previous behavior.
Working as intended.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Within a day, CCP made a post apologizing for the bug they had introduced and released a hotfix to revert it to previous behavior.
Well, lets be realistic here, CCP also broke covert ops cloaks with their fix and thus made 0.0 recon operations pretty much impossible, nobody apart from carebears would have complained if they just fixed regular cloaks.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:40:00 -
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Quote: Well, lets be realistic here, CCP also broke covert ops cloaks with their fix and thus made 0.0 recon operations pretty much impossible, nobody apart from carebears would have complained if they just fixed regular cloaks.
They didn't break covert ops cloaks. Covert ops cloaks function under the same mechanic.
It was a bugfix. Regardless of who would have complained, the ability for people to MWD for one cycle while under cloak is an intended game mechanic. If you'd like to argue that it's a bad mechanic, then go right ahead (though you'd be wrong; it's one of the few mechanics that makes lowsec safer than nullsec).
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Skittnator
Caldari Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan And for the record, I think its the ultimate cowards move as well, but then again there are no sweeter tears than those of a coward. Since its so simple to catch them it is easy to make those tears flow, so its a win-win situation in the end.
<3 but why is it that this is so much of a problem now than before>? before this week i had only seen 1-2 MWD cloakies, but know everyone and thier mom are doing it, was there another popular carebear exploit post about it? plain and simple, you shouldn't be able to fly in low sec invulnerable, fly only what you are willing to lose in low sec... Angels of Death EVE Corporation is Recruiting New and Old Pilots!!! |
Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 17/06/2010 00:55:34
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
They didn't break covert ops cloaks. Covert ops cloaks function under the same mechanic.
No they dont, I get the impression you do not really understand the game mechanic there.
The covert ops cloak does not limit your speed, and thus does not need this little "trick" to get to warp speed.
Regular cloaks on the other hand limit your ship to a speed where it would not be able to warp immediately after decloaking. They can only do so due to a glitch when calculating max speed vs current speed after decloaking with a running MWD cycle.
A completely different mechanic, covert ops ships can instantly warp after dropping cloak (what they dont even need to do since they can warp cloaked) regardless if they have a MWD cycle running, regular cloaks can only do this in combination with the MWD.
Edit: To make it more clear, the issue is not being able to use MWDs under cloak for one cycle, the issue is regular cloaks can be abused to achieve instant warp after dropping cloak, which they are clearly not intended to do if we look at the module attributes carefully.
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z0mgAlt
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:38:00 -
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op sounds mad, this is totally legit tbh
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 02:19:00 -
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Quote: The covert ops cloak does not limit your speed, and thus does not need this little "trick" to get to warp speed.
Irrelevant, it's still the same mechanic. It's just that covops cloaks lack a speed reduction.
Quote: Edit: To make it more clear, the issue is not being able to use MWDs under cloak for one cycle, the issue is regular cloaks can be abused to achieve instant warp after dropping cloak, which they are clearly not intended to do if we look at the module attributes carefully.
Apparently CCP doesn't agree that it's a bug because they never changed it despite many opportunities to do so.
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Shade Millith
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.17 05:25:00 -
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The biggest problem with their 'fix' to that cloak thing, was that it caused people to warp stupidly quick with a MWD/Cloak
IIRC, someone posted a video of getting a carrier into warp in under 10 seconds without web assistance
A T1 hauler/BC/BS could get into warp in 2-3 seconds ------------------------
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.06.17 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Skittnator I do not know how CCP has allowed people to keep doing this but its absolutely infuriating...
blah blah rabble rabble
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Skittnator
Caldari Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Skittnator I do not know how CCP has allowed people to keep doing this but its absolutely infuriating...
blah blah rabble rabble
Welcome to 2007
WOW buddy, you can troll!!! what skills you have, thanx for contributing to the convo! for real!!!111!!!!!1! Angels of Death EVE Corporation is Recruiting New and Old Pilots!!! |
Ikonia
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Posted - 2010.06.17 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Skittnator I do not know how CCP has allowed people to keep doing this but its absolutely infuriating... Alot of people call it a game mechanic, but if done right nothing can stop you and you are invulnerable to all tackle, attack, etc [sounds like an exploit to me].... even orcas are doing it now in low sec which is disgusting... if you fly anything above a cruiser in low sec and null sec you should have to have a scout and play smart like everyone else or be shot up... damnit... And noone say anything about putting cans around the gate at 12 km, if there is any sort of lag had by the claoky it is an exploit. and I don't have 20 frig alts to orbit the gate. Do any other PVPer's have any way of beating this cheat?
Well, simple solution. Don't go gate camping. If they are to fast, you are too slow. --- Honker:"Damn! Ok, I'll go and loot my wife now..." --- HighSec Gankers? Well, every world has its psychpaths. |
foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.17 08:24:00 -
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Poor troll 2/10. _______________________ We come for our people! |
Sutskop
Minmatar PILSGESCHWADER
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Skittnator I want to sit on a gate with 5 buddys in battleships and just point and kill! after all I'm a pirate!
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Malevolent Miko
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:14:00 -
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Yawn....whats up pirate ? 'it's not fair, i'm having trouble ganking other players, they keep getting past my gate camp' B***h B***h B***h Moan Moan Moan
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Miilla
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 17/06/2010 11:35:16
Why can you not just be "smart" and find another way to achieve your goal without resorting to crying "it's not fair" on a forum?
Eve is a sandbox, go "discover" "methods" of "achieving" your "task".
Or perhaps eve isnt your cup of tea? Take a look at "KOTOR" MMO? (I am :)) |
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Arwen Tyler
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Skittnator I do not know how CCP has allowed people to keep doing this but its absolutely infuriating...
.... even orcas are doing it now in low sec which is disgusting... if you fly anything above a cruiser in low sec and null sec you should have to have a scout and play smart like everyone else or be shot up... damnit... Do any other PVPer's have any way of beating this cheat?........
Carebear ganker complaining people are getting away then claims he a pvp'er ! Cry much ?.......
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Skittnator you shouldn't be able to fly in low sec invulnerable
How are they invulnerable? You have been told quite early on in this thread how to conter this tactic and break the cloak on the 'carebear'.
Seems to me you are just complaining because this tactic makes carebears 'invulnrable' to you and your fail gatecamp mate.
------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Scout Ops
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:31:00 -
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Yet another griefers vs carebears emothread
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Casmy Blue
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Casmy Blue on 17/06/2010 13:27:55 Did we seriously need another thread where some stupid kid who's probably gate camped three times in his life *****es about how MWDs are ruining his playing experience?
And then all of the responses from people who probably haven't even done more than three hours of hauling through gate camps call him out on it?
I mean really, this one's been done to death guys.
I have a character that I FREQUENTLY run around in low-sec gangs with and I've FREQUENTLY also been hauling in remote systems with my PI-frenzied hauler alt. By the way kids, most of us don't only JUST PvP or JUST do industry. But back to the gate camping side of things, the number of people that are stupid and jump into a gate camp unprepared and get popped FAR OUTWEIGH the number of "HEY ITS AN ORCA WITH THE MWD/CLOAK TRICK" people that we see.
And no, catching them isn't as simple as "o just go decloak tehm with an inty np np". Yeah, it works once in a blue moon, but the ******s saying "DUDE YAH LOL WRKS EVRY TIEM NP IVE CAUGHT TEHM ALL" are idiots - they've also probably never tried it themselves.
On the flipside, if I'm IN AN ORCA and I've decided to take the risk of soloing through low-sec systems, much less gate camps, YOU CAN BET YOUR ASS that I'm going to be using the MWD/cloak trick.
You know how you can tell if Eve isn't the game for you?
You don't adapt.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:27:00 -
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Quote: but then again there are no sweeter tears than those of a coward
Maybe not as sweet, but with the added salt gankbear tears taste way better.
Proof: Gankbear tears
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Skittnator I do not know how CCP has allowed people to keep doing this but its absolutely infuriating... Alot of people call it a game mechanic, but if done right nothing can stop you and you are invulnerable to all tackle, attack, etc [sounds like an exploit to me].... even orcas are doing it now in low sec which is disgusting... if you fly anything above a cruiser in low sec and null sec you should have to have a scout and play smart like everyone else or be shot up... damnit... And noone say anything about putting cans around the gate at 12 km, if there is any sort of lag had by the claoky it is an exploit. and I don't have 20 frig alts to orbit the gate. Do any other PVPer's have any way of beating this cheat?
Use a bubble & stfu. - Support DISBANDING the Alliance CCP Renamed at the Alliance's Request |
Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:55:00 -
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I'm the guy (and my newbie corp mate) the OP is raging about. I'm sorry that all you do in EVE is fly big ships and rely on numbers without actuallly knowing what you're doing but there's no exploit at work. It's called knowledge and experience.
As long as you bunch of bozos keep hunting us with Vindicators, Bhaalgorns and similarly large crap like that you will never catch us. It's not rocket science now is it.
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:56:00 -
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Love the recruiting line thrown in at the bottom of every post, OP.
"We moan and cry and moastly fail - but come join us!"
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Gorp
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:34:00 -
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'exploit' lol. That word does not mean what you think it means.
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Tozmeister
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:47:00 -
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Marko, just start a thread in C&P about which gates these guys camp in their Bhaalgorns then sit back and watch the fireworks.
+++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++ |
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Mfume Apocal
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:07:00 -
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Only exploit I see is exploiting terrible players and terrible techniques.
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Danny Lonnegan
Caldari Nex Somes Ubertas Venator Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:27:00 -
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OH NOES, THOSE CHEATING CAREBEARS HAVE ADAPTED TO OUR FAIL GATECAMP TACTICS! EXPLOIT!
OP basically blew whatever credibility he had when he whined about having to station interceptors to decloak haulers. Heaven forfend pirates have to adapt, amirite?
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Drake Konstantin
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Konstantin on 17/06/2010 19:58:26
people still think theyre funny or something when they mix in ones with exclamation marks?
what is this the late 90s
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/06/2010 20:22:32 Flashy bhaalgorns on gates? Sounds interesting.
Also, MWD-cloak has been with us for a very very long time. Everyone has just recongized that there's no point in whining about it, and it's hardly a exploit (look up at what a exploit is, ffs). As a mechanic, it's reasonably well balanced. You need to screw your locktime, cpu and a very useful spare high to have a chance not to die in a camp (and there's still the chance of dying). That sounds reasonably well balanced to me.
Next you'll whine about covops alts which do the same on top of actually not forcing me to sacrifice my locktime and everything else, and enabling me to probe, receive gang bonus and so on (which is really really far superior to having to fit cloak, which is more of a poor man's recourse).
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Aralieus
Amarr The Inf1dels En Garde
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:10:00 -
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You could..you know..stop hugging gates Or fit a Sensor Booster :gasp: Or better yet, fight somebody that actually has a chance with you and not flash your E-peen faction BS, which you are you phailing to use anyway besides commit NPC genocide. Get yourself a Titan, a baitdrake and find some poor soul ratting away and hotdrop him, lots of lols there.
Fortune favors the bold!!!
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UrMomLvsEmo
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:25:00 -
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Can someone explain what the "exploit" is, i'm not quite understanding the OP. is this when you burn back to the gate after decloaking, wait the cycle, then recloak? Or decloak, burn, wait a cycle, cloak, align, then warp? Or something else?
Thanks for helping us noobs out
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DILIGAF
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:42:00 -
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Your pirate tears fuel my industrial
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Black Dranzer on 17/06/2010 22:32:03 Edit: Fixed some typos.
Originally by: UrMomLvsEmo Can someone explain what the "exploit" is, i'm not quite understanding the OP. is this when you burn back to the gate after decloaking, wait the cycle, then recloak? Or decloak, burn, wait a cycle, cloak, align, then warp? Or something else?
Thanks for helping us noobs out
I have never done this before, but based on second hand reports, I think it goes something like this:
The trick requires a Microwarp Drive and a regular cloak. This trick doesn't really apply to people with covops cloaks.
The logic is based around the idea that, if you activate your cloaking device, your currently active modules stay active for the rest of their cycle before deactivating.
Regular cloaks get penalties to velocity; When cloaked with a regular cloak your velocity drops to about 25% depending on which cloaking device you're using, I believe.
Here's the idea:
You've just jumped into a system, and there's a gate camp. You look around and locate a place you want to warp to. Next, within a very short period of time (almost instantly), you click "align", activate your MWD, and activate your cloak, in that order.
What happens is that your ship decloaks from the autocloak after you move, then activates its MWD giving it a 500%~ bonus in speed, then your cloak activates, giving you a 75%~ nerf in speed. From that point on, your MWD goes through one cycle. In this time, you are basically going a little over full speed whilst aligning to your target and being cloaked.
Now, the idea is, just before your MWD's cycle dies, you deactivate your cloak (and possibly your MWD?). Your ship decloaks, losing the speed penalty, and the MWD deactivates, lowering your speed cap. You've just come out of cloak and you're aligned to a celestial object going at about 125% of your max speed. You can then warp without any delay.
What it basically does is let you align to a celestial object without having to worry about being locked on to and warp scrambled.
I THINK.
THE ABOVE IS WHAT I HAVE DEDUCED IN MY MIND BUT I COULD HONESTLY BE TALKING OUT OF MY ASS. PLEASE DON'T BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF ME IF I'M MISTAKEN, BUT PLEASE DO CORRECT ME.
Thank you.
Incidentally, if my assumptions are true, this seems kind of derpy. I don't give much of a crap either way (especially considering that in nullsec you've got bubbles to deal with) but it would stand to reason that activating a cloaking device would cause your active speed mods to break.
Just my opinion though.
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pashared
Gallente Instigators Incorperated Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: pashared on 17/06/2010 22:54:31
Originally by: Tozmeister Marko, just start a thread in C&P about which gates these guys camp in their Bhaalgorns then sit back and watch the fireworks.
^this
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 23:43:00 -
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Black Dranzer has it basically right. It means that DSTs thrive in lowsec, because even if you get a point on me, I will still warp away. Hell, even if you get two points on me, I will still warp away. You basically need a HIC with quite a bit of sensor boosting and scan resolution plus a focused warp disruption script to lock me fast and use that infinite point. Using BRs in lowsec is phail -- those work best in nullsec due to bubble camps.
Also, this points out why I say that simply having a non-aggressive play style doesn't make a carebear.
Whining and crying because you don't want to adapt to other people's winning tactics makes you a carebear.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2010.06.17 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer Next, within a very short period of time (almost instantly), you click "align", activate your MWD, and activate your cloak, in that order.
Align, cloak, MWD also works, so long as you do it within ~2 seconds. The timing isn't as critical as you make it out to be.
I would never MWD, cloak, align, though. That's just herf derfderfderf.
-- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
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Onivek
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Posted - 2010.06.17 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs Libra Poor little pirate :'(
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Spinal Tapp
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Posted - 2010.06.18 07:45:00 -
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Take a look at my losses on the kill board, i lost 2 prowlers last week due to gate camps. I'm also skilled at this MWD-cloak business, some players just know what they are doing when they camp a gate, it's blatently obvious, you sir....do not!
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Rebecca Aventine
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rebecca Aventine on 18/06/2010 09:50:43 Confirming the technique is:
(1) Align. (2) Pause for a moment and then Cloak. (3) MWD. (4) Just after the MWD cycle ends Decloak. (5) Warp.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.18 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sutskop
Originally by: Skittnator I want to sit on a gate with 5 buddys in battleships and just point and kill! after all I'm a pirate!
This.
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Altair Alhammajid
Minmatar Swift Redemption Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.18 11:39:00 -
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I love how he claims this is an exploit but wants to fight with BC and up. Basically all I'm hearing is "I don't want to fly something specifically built to compete against the cloak + mwd so I think CCP should just get rid of this "exploit" (game mechanic)." Seriously, buck up. It's a mechanic, CCP said it is not an exploit. If it was a lot of people would be getting warnings or losing their accounts, as per the EULA. Eve is a game of situations and if you're not willing to live up to it, gtfo. I'm sick of "I hate this ship or that mechanic so CCP should get rid of it." CCP doesn't want this to be easy, that's what keeps people here. If you want that bull****, join another MMO.
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Voodoo Ido
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Posted - 2010.06.18 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rebecca Aventine Edited by: Rebecca Aventine on 18/06/2010 09:50:43 Confirming the technique is:
(1) Align. (2) Pause for a moment and then Cloak. (3) MWD. (4) Just after the MWD cycle ends Decloak. (5) Warp.
Confirming this is correct and also expanding for clarification:
1. Click 'Align'. ( Sooner than later after jump-in, so the camp will have less time to react. )
2. Pause for a 'moment', then hit cloak (F1 key) -( A half second to 1 second max, just enough time for the server to register your decloak. Otherwise, you get a message about mods not activating because you're still under gate cloak. Keep an eye on the mods to ensure activation. "Double-tap" if necessary. 'Improved' cloak works best, since it allows for higher speed while cloaked. )
3. Activate MWD (F2 key). - ( Do this after cloaking so the 500% sig-bloom doesn't get you instalocked. Mods can still be activated within a few seconds after cloaking, and will run for one full cycle before deactivating. )
4. Just *after* the MWD cycle ends, Decloak. - ( The MWD cycle ends when the cycle 'timer' indicator goes out, not actually when the mod stops flashing. Wait until the precise moment when MWD is truly deactivated to avoid the nasty 'insta-lockable' sig-bloom. You want to decloak just as you start to decelerate, so as to get as much speed benefit as possible while avoiding the penalties. )
5. Warp. - When done correctly, you will find yourself fully aligned and at close to max speed, which allows you to 'instawarp' before you can be locked. Practice in hisec until you get it down, so you don't 'freeze up' under pressure.
If you want to get larger hulls through low-sec with some amount of security against camps, this is one of the more commonly used techniques, especially if you're going solo.
And for those that don't fly T2 transports, a Mammoth with 13k m3 cargo hold can pull this off quite nicely as well.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Voodoo Ido [4. Just *after* the MWD cycle ends, Decloak. - ( The MWD cycle ends when the cycle 'timer' indicator goes out, not actually when the mod stops flashing. Wait until the precise moment when MWD is truly deactivated to avoid the nasty 'insta-lockable' sig-bloom.
What cycle timer are you refering to? I usually pulse the mwd then when it turns off (red background and white circle light turns off) I end the cloak and warp. Sometimes I get caught though, maybe do to pilot error or lag or I'm not watching the right timer.
This is simply how you move ships through low sec. Asking a corpmate to scout for you every time you want to move something bigger than a frigate through low sec is pretty lame.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Muad' Dib
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 18/06/2010 16:07:03
Originally by: Marko Riva Edited by: Marko Riva on 17/06/2010 14:10:18 I'm the guy (and my newbie corp mate) the OP is raging about. I'm sorry that all you do in EVE is fly big ships and rely on numbers without actually knowing what you're doing but there's no exploit at work. It's called knowledge and experience.
As long as you bunch of bozos keep hunting us with Vindicators, Bhaalgorns and similarly large crap you will never catch us. It's not rocket science now is it.
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I moved my tiny corp into Aridia low sec to have members get used to low sec, having to pay attention, understanding how important the logistics chain is etc etc.
So far, these guys just puffed themselves up going "you better leave now" while posing with big bad ass battleships (oh we're so scared), we rat a bit (trying to show that we mean no harm and for the newbies to get some cash) and joke around, haven't killed anyone at all.
We do move through some systems these guys claim as theirs (in low sec...) and we do have some fun with them when they again try to chase us, camp us or kill us. They tried really hard to kill my Vaga, fiercely shooting it with a bunch of BS's and whatnot, same for my Scimi. They simply don't understand EVE combat other than "bring BS, be in blob".
But rest assured, in a few days we'll leave the area for a bit and you can go back to being nice little alts/pets doing PVE in your faction BS's.
p.s. you simply chased us with your BS blob, you have not used anything smaller than a HIC.
As a former piwate, i can say that when you gatecamp and something juicy does the mwd-cloak, you are very ****ed, but when you are on the other end, facing a gatecamp of 10-15 in bs's drooling after your wee-bit of a BC/Cruiser, you start to understand the necessity of it. NJ Marko, and gl to your guys, if you really did that to teach them low-sec, you have probably achieved more than eve-uni will ever achieve with their clases. :)
As for the ppl just reading, this might have been ok to be fixed a few months ago, but 2 things : 1 - ccp tried to fix it and ****ed it up even more 2 - you cannot clear agression in 0.0 by just jumping gates anymore, so if you get agressed in system A, you will stay agressed in system B. Add to this the way probing is now - very easy and fast, and you soon realize that for solo roamers in 0.0 in vaga's and above the mwd-cloak is quickly becoming a necessity.
Originally by: Tozmeister Marko, just start a thread in C&P about which gates these guys camp in their Bhaalgorns then sit back and watch the fireworks.
Your going to convo spam them before cynoing in ? --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:20:00 -
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It's difficult to find players who are willing to learn, pay attention and enjoy putting in effort (and in our case, having fun being an annoying **** ), and we can certainly can use more of those but yeah they learned to enjoy being chased while flying a fricking Cane through gatecamps and "traps", purely on knowledge and having practised stuff beforehand.
Just to be sure, the OP isn't a bad ass pirate at all but it's funny nonetheless.
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