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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 And isn't organizing a massive "griefing" (there's no isk benefit to you, read about my thread of epic logical half-nelson against suiciders Here FTW) against the rules, so this thread should be reported for doing that and here I go. We cant have people thinking its okay to organize a large scale constant grieffest, particularly in suicide ships to get around concord protection, now can we?
You are wrong, and I can prove it.
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Azishkra'elhykai Mizamel
New 'U' Unity Technologies
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson
buttmonkeys.
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: 1Ekrid1 And isn't organizing a massive "griefing" (there's no isk benefit to you, read about my thread of epic logical half-nelson against suiciders Here FTW) against the rules, so this thread should be reported for doing that and here I go. We cant have people thinking its okay to organize a large scale constant grieffest, particularly in suicide ships to get around concord protection, now can we?
You are wrong, and I can prove it.
griefing is against the rules, whether against macroers or not.
Griefing: an act designed to cause destruction to another player for the sole benefit of inconeniencing them, without any reason other than to make them rage.
EULA: Griefing is forbidden.
There is no clause which states in the EULA that it is okay so long as its against macro miners.
its like saying racist comments arent okay except when used against (insert a random group that everyone will dislike here).
The griefing is forbidden rule extends to al layers, even rule breakers, and here's why:
1, you cant know if someone is a macro miner or just somene who doesnt speak your language.
2, eventually this will just cause maco miners to use the "intelligent response" software they have out there where people go into chat rooms and talk for days on end to someone they think is real, but who is in fact jst a bot.
3, becuse of 1 and 2, innocents WILL get caught in the crossfire.
4, Organizing a grief campaign against individuals via the forum is explicity against the rules.
So either the CCP you quoted was an idiot and wrong, or their rules don't actually apply. which will you vote on? Griefspaceships Onilne, here were come, a la slippery slope. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: Helicity Boson on 20/06/2010 09:15:33
Originally by: 1Ekrid1 *snippity snip*
>implying a senior designer is wrong and calling her an idiot >implying there are not CCP devs participating in my events >implying implications
Dig greedily and dig deep little one!
...and then crawl back under your rock, if they thought you were right, they'd have stopped Hulkageddon I and II and jihadswarm.
Thank you for playing, next contestant!
P.S. mmmm salty
Addendum: it would be against the rules for me to organize a hulkageddon solely against you as a person. Hence "individual".
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 20/06/2010 09:27:35 macro miners are individuals, or are you dehumanizing them? like it or not, people get to have personal opinions and its a country where u can still speak freely.
There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 macro miners are individuals, or are you dehumanizing them?
By your reckoning a series of guerilla attacks against an opposing alliance's holdings are also griefing.
You don't "get" EVE. I hear there is free trials for WoW that way ->
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: 1Ekrid1 macro miners are individuals, or are you dehumanizing them?
By your reckoning a series of guerilla attacks against an opposing alliance's holdings are also griefing.
You don't "get" EVE. I hear there is free trials for WoW that way ->
then go sub up. I hear its just your game. you can corpse camp people all day and get away with it. have fun. I like your style, havingno argument and falling back on the "you just dont get it" failgument. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
Dracoknight
Gallente U-208 Blade.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:32:00 -
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I find it humouros that the one that claim rules to being broken actually is the one that never understood them in the first place...
So the "griefers" and "buttmonkeys" in here obviously know the rules better than you... ____________________
I wish my Thorax could use missiles... |
1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:47:00 -
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you didnt even read the link I gave did you? read it in its entirety, I know the rules, it seems you d not. What is effectually being said here is that the rules are subject to the arbitray enforcement of people who may decide not to enforce them.
I find it funny you can type but cant read. amazing skill to have.
There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:54:00 -
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btw, I never called anyone buttmonkeys, just in case your poor little brain was confused. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
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Dracoknight
Gallente U-208 Blade.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 you didnt even read the link I gave did you? read it in its entirety, I know the rules, it seems you d not. What is effectually being said here is that the rules are subject to the arbitray enforcement of people who may decide not to enforce them.
I find it funny you can type but cant read. amazing skill to have.
Then you should already know that Highsec suiciding, scamming, betraying, and general mischef is allowed and even promoted by CCP personell as EVE online gameplay allows stuff like this....
in short: there is NO INNOCENCE in EVE, the time you made a account you agreed to get shot at any oppetunity which seem fit for the shooter.
If you did read the thread however, there is a CCP Dev that have given the support to this event, so why dont you take five and wonder: why would CCP break their own ELUA ? ____________________
I wish my Thorax could use missiles... |
Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 you didnt even read the link I gave did you? read it in its entirety, I know the rules, it seems you d not. What is effectually being said here is that the rules are subject to the arbitray enforcement of people who may decide not to enforce them.
I find it funny you can type but cant read. amazing skill to have.
Poor boy, it's CCP who decide what is griefing, not you. Your opinion of what constitutes griefing is entirely irrelevant.
You lose.
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ObviousTroll Alt
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: ObviousTroll Alt on 20/06/2010 10:59:28
Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 20/06/2010 09:06:28
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: 1Ekrid1 And isn't organizing a massive "griefing" (there's no isk benefit to you, read about my thread of epic logical half-nelson against suiciders Here FTW) against the rules, so this thread should be reported for doing that and here I go. We cant have people thinking its okay to organize a large scale constant grieffest, particularly in suicide ships to get around concord protection, now can we?
You are wrong, and I can prove it.
griefing is against the rules, whether against macroers or not.
Griefing: an act designed to cause destruction to another player for the sole benefit of inconeniencing them, without any reason other than to make them rage.
EULA: Griefing is forbidden.
There is no clause which states in the EULA that it is okay so long as its against macro miners.
its like saying racist comments arent okay except when used against (insert a random group that everyone will dislike here).
The griefing is forbidden rule extends to al layers, even rule breakers, and here's why:
1, you cant know if someone is a macro miner or just somene who doesnt speak your language.
2, eventually this will just cause maco miners to use the "intelligent response" software they have out there where people go into chat rooms and talk for days on end to someone they think is real, but who is in fact jst a bot.
3, becuse of 1 and 2, innocents WILL get caught in the crossfire.
4, Organizing a grief campaign against individuals via the forum is explicity against the rules.
So either the CCP you quoted was an idiot and wrong, or their rules don't actually apply. which will you vote on? Griefspaceships Onilne, here were come, a la slippery slope.
I will repeat it for the sake of clarity to TL;DRs, Griefing is against the EULA, and there is no clause which states it may be used against people who break rules, such as b otters. If it could be used against them, we could agrue it can be used for people with foul mouths, to run THEM out of the game as well. There's a reason there's rools.
I am suiciding Hulks for profit. That doesn't make it greifing. Others are suiciding them for profit (the possibility of winning a prize, ergo... profit) that doesn't make it greifing.
YOU might not be able to tell if someone is a Macro Miner (you are kinda slow), but I can after watching them for an extended amount of time. Human beings, are not able to mine, 23/7/4/12. Macro's on the other hand ARE able to do that, so it isn't difficult to be able to tell the difference between the two with a little patience, and a small amount of effort. I know of three characters in the QUIER system that are macro's from personal observation, and I suspect two others but haven't had the time to properly observe them.
Your argument falls somewhat short of reality. Try again.
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Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:20:00 -
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Hulkageddon will have some effect on macro mining?
Why all the references to miner's tears? Macro miners will just shrug if you shoot them twice a day for a year.
You don't even believe your own crapola, do you?
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I know the rules
Bitter HulkageddonI+II+Jihadswarm-Victim-Bot-Alt is bitter...
Ifly
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eviwyn
Caldari Hellcats HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:57:00 -
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:D
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.06.20 12:10:00 -
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Why do I always have to be the smart one..
First off.. Please find the bit in here when it defines griefing and forbids players to do it..
Secondly, by your definition greifing is "an act designed to cause destruction to another player for the sole benefit of inconeniencing them, without any reason other than to make them rage." Last time I checked the idea of Hulkageddon was to win prizes, therefor by your own definition its not griefing (as it doesn't matter who the target it and there is a reason to do it other than just to make them rage)
I wont even go in to the implausibility of causing a computer program to rage...
Nowhere in the hulkageddon rules does it say 'only macros' so the whole 'innocents will get caught in the crossfire' is a moot point. We don't care who gets killed..
You can organize a campaign again a group of people or wardecs would be against the EULA... A minier is an individual, miners are a group aren't.
So back to my original question.. You could POSSIBLY try and argue it against clause 3 as it MAY be considered a 'hate-mongering philosophie' and you MAY be able to argue against it with clause 16, although I believe this relates more to intentionality spamming a node to kill it or lag it.
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Jeneroux
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.20 14:26:00 -
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If you could press button to instantly remove all griefers in Eve, the universe would tip over.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.06.20 19:53:00 -
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Please don't feed the EULA troll alt.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.06.21 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth Please don't feed the EULA troll alt.
Trolls need to feed trolls.. That way someone tasty will pass by, see the trolling and not realize its trolling and get eaten by both of us..
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