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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.29 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ankbar
Just seems to me that such players and being....I'll say 'mean' by forcing a type of game play on other people that they don't want. No one is forcing you to only mine or run missions in hi-sec and abstain from PVP, what is the reasoning for doing the reverse?
To put it in as simple a fashion as possible........
Because We Can.
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Aiden Vorlan
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.06.29 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Konstantin
Originally by: Frank d'Fairy
Originally by: Sagacious Z
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As a soldier, I will thank you not to compare this game to a tour of duty. If you do have a son in the service, do him a favor a show some respect.
@OP
4/10 because it's starting to draw the "THIS IS LIKE RL," crowd from c&p.
must be an infantard
I'd appreciate it if you didn't insult infantry like that. Infantry are lovingly referred to as the "smartest dumb people you'll ever meet". I know many PFCs in the Marine Corps who were 0311s and 0321s who could pull out advanced trigonometry answers without needing paper to do the work on. And they came out with the correct answers!
If you are going to insult anyone, please direct your sarcasm towards the ASVAB waivers in the 3531/3521 community - Motor Transport, or Motor T. Seriously, it requires a pulse to get into the Marines (current ASVAB requirements: 31, which means you passed 9th grade) and half my platoon in Okinawa, Japan and on Camp Lejeune, NC was ASVAB waivers. I swear it!
First to fight for right and freedom, And to keep our honor clean!
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Gumdrop
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Posted - 2010.06.29 12:16:00 -
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I dont know whats funnier. A dude baitin you then coming back in a t3 ship. Or the fact you were using a officer fitted kronos LOL!
One time some dude came in and started stealing stuff outta my cans. I finished the mission left my RR domi alt in the last pocket and went and fit a cheap trasher came back and popped the dude in the buzzard who was stealing my loot. I only did this because it was the first time i had seen someone ninja looting in a ship that wasnt a destroyer. Then to be safe I logged and played MW2 for the rest of the night xD!
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Sylka Kovacs
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:47:00 -
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sorry skipped to the end but laughed.
I mission lvl 4s in high sec and had a T3 pilot warp in whilst fighting - they even tried to aggro spawns and get between me and ships aggroing - thinking my missiles will hit him and get aggro - ffs just ignore them - or fight them don't winge - i've lost 2 hulks in short space of time guess what my fault it's the game
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druid 99
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Posted - 2010.06.29 14:10:00 -
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i have decided to reply to this topic in knid as the original said are thievs in eve not the same in real life my reply do thives in real life always get cought do the police in real life always arive straight away the anser is no
and there for to anser the post high sec should get a revam this i agree concord should respon slower for lower security systems like 0.5 and if a thive gets cought stealing then well tough got to the mercs and ay them to kill him lol
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Sagacious Z
Minmatar Megaton m3 Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.01 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Aiden Vorlan
I'd appreciate it if you didn't insult infantry like that.
I did not insult him. In fact, I thanked him for his service. Others did not insult him either.
What I did and what others did was factually imply he was ignorant or worse after making such a ludicrous statement, stating I "compared EVE to a tour of duty". That was a lie and a stupid stretch and we correctly pointed that out.
It is impossible to insult if you are factually correct.
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Cloak Molotov
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Posted - 2010.07.06 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ankbar
Don't try to excuse your PVP or ninjaing as some kind of public service.
Yeah they were joking :).
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foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.06 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jagged Bluetooth what about the carebears rights ?
Carebears have the right to remain silent. Anything they say can and will be laughed at in eveo forums. Carebears have the right to be farmed. If they cannot handle being farmed, they should play hello kitty online. Do you understand these rights as they have been showed in your face with barrage M? _______________________ Drink Eau du Nichup«, the taste of heaven. Now available as Nichup Citrus« as well! |
Dahk Myir
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Posted - 2010.07.29 15:14:00 -
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Everything in EVE is PVP. Seriously. Before you undock from the station, that part you buy? Someone made that, they're out to make a profit at the expense of another person's wallet. So are you.
It's you vs everyone else in the grandest fashion in EVE, and if you don't learn the rules of playing the game on both sides of the law in EVE, You won't be the one making the profit at the end of the day.
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Killahchick
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Posted - 2010.07.29 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jagged Bluetooth In a game where you employ marketing analysts etc to make eve as real as possible..isn't there something fundementally wrong promoting theft. ie you allow these people to be dishonest and they then can't tell the difference in real life !!????
LOL.
Quote: Am seriously thinking of packing in my accounts .....you're going to lose your mature players almost as quick as you gained them....
Uhm. Well if you're the example of mature player, then I'm definitely not. Can I have your stuff?
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Alazontez Gallenteur
Gallente Wolf-Monkey Bastards WolfMonkey Bastards
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Posted - 2010.07.29 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: knentil
And this one time, I was doing the Damsel and I suddenly noticed a yellow stealth bomber wreck on overview, seems he was too close to the station when it blew.. oppps.
lol, I think that was me. And it was a Helios not a bomber.
This was like the first or second time (out of maybe 4) that I tried ninjaing because I was bored. Gotta say even though I lost a ship in a stupid manner, it was absolutely hilarious, I lolled about that fail for days. In fact, I'm lolling about it just remembering it. I really wanted that damsel so I could sell it back to you for 10M. ---------------------------------------------- There is no honor in war, only victory and defeat
Not needing a fleet and not bringing a fleet are 2 completely different things. - Lana Torrin |
Salen Kane
Amarr Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
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Posted - 2010.07.30 09:04:00 -
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Gankers and ninjas provide a valuable service to the world at large. If carebears could kill NPC rats in peace, they would start beliving they could do that IRL too(this stands to reason, since carebears always claim that EVE actions=RL actions)! Pretty soon, everyone who ever owned an illegal copy of windows, or pirated a game on their C64, would be hunted down and killed for their spare change by rabid carebears. This would cause a halt to most internet traffic as just about everyone who works with computers have pirated SOMETHING at some point, and those websites dont run themselves. This would result in untold losses in revenue for companies that do business online, eventually bringing in a new depression and causing the destruction of civilization as we know it.
ONLY PIRATING CAN SAVE THE WORLD ECONOMY! Gank, my friends! Gank for truth, freedom and the amarrian way! If you dont, the terrorists win! Those who would equate EVE violence with RL violence deserves to suffer both. |
Daisuke Aoki
Gallente Independent Coalition
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Posted - 2010.07.30 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ankbar
Equating in-game actions to actions in RL is also ridiculous. However, I am more interested in the attitude. Everyone knows that unless someone is in a war-dec'ed corp, someone running missions in hi-sec is probably doing that because at the moment they do not want to be involved in PVP. To grief them (am I using that word correctly) is simply inconsiderate. There are tons of people who are transversing 0.4 and below--they are obviously willingly engaging in the PVP aspect of the game, go play with them. (Unless it's an ignorant newb. I got taken out that way when I first started.) Yes, yes, if they undock they are agreeing to possible PVP, I get that. However, that arguement seems weak to me because there is no PVE-only version of EVE. If one likes the game that EVE is as a single-player, their only option is to fly in hi-sec. And they are not suited for the fight, so it's not like it's a challenge(the common reason why gamers in general prefer PVP over PVE.)
Just seems to me that such players and being....I'll say 'mean' by forcing a type of game play on other people that they don't want. No one is forcing you to only mine or run missions in hi-sec and abstain from PVP, what is the reasoning for doing the reverse?
Eve is an MMO, a *multiplayer* game. Even if you enjoy the game as a single player and want nothing to do with anyone, the game isn't designed that way - the very nature of it demands that you interact with other people, be it in a good way or a bad way. If you want to be left alone, play a single-player game. There is no PvE-only version of Eve on purpose. PvP is not meant to be optional, even in high security space, and even if it's not necessarily combat - you're always competing with other players for some type of resource.
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Wolfcheck
Pack o' Wolves
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Posted - 2010.07.30 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Daisuke Aoki Eve is an MMO, a *multiplayer* game. Even if you enjoy the game as a single player and want nothing to do with anyone, the game isn't designed that way - the very nature of it demands that you interact with other people, be it in a good way or a bad way. If you want to be left alone, play a single-player game. There is no PvE-only version of Eve on purpose. PvP is not meant to be optional, even in high security space, and even if it's not necessarily combat - you're always competing with other players for some type of resource.
While I totally agree on this, I'm with ankhbar on the "attitude" thing.
If we were kids in kindergarten, we'd have an environment that in a way demands that you interact with others, yet you don't always feel like it. You sometimes just want to chill out. If someone comes and throws a ball at you the educators won't get involved, as it is normal interaction. Yet if you continue, that is the attitude of a jerk.
Not all the things that are permitted are also good natured or "ok". In fact, forcing pvp on someone that obviously isn't prepared, or willing, IS the action of a jerk. It's permitted, it's ok, I would NOT want CCP to rule it out: it's fine as it is. It is still not nice.
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Celonious Velador
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.01 23:20:00 -
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'Go play another game if you don't like it...' = possibly the worst reply ever PvP ships vs PvE ships are not a real fight, it is a joke(admit it)
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nafiy gnaw
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Posted - 2010.08.02 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Celonious Velador 'Go play another game if you don't like it...' = possibly the worst reply ever PvP ships vs PvE ships are not a real fight, it is a joke(admit it)
EvE warfare rules 101:
1. The only unfair fights are the ones you lose 2. Always make the fight unfair for the enemy 3. If you are in a fair fight, then either that your enemy has backup, or your enemy is stupid. 4. If you actively go out looking for fair fights, then you are an idiot
To summarise, if you want to find "fair" arena-styled pvp, go play another game. In EvE, nobody is gonna care if someone killed your ibis with a avatar.
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Celonious Velador
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.02 17:59:00 -
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EvE warfare rules 101:
1. The only unfair fights are the ones you lose 2. Always make the fight unfair for the enemy 3. If you are in a fair fight, then either that your enemy has backup, or your enemy is stupid. 4. If you actively go out looking for fair fights, then you are an idiot
To summarise, if you want to find "fair" arena-styled pvp, go play another game. In EvE, nobody is gonna care if someone killed your ibis with a avatar.
I am not concerned with 'fairness' whatsoever. The chestbeating and proud declaration that someone has destroyed a PvE fitted ship with a PvP fitted ship is lame. I did not speak of 'fair' at all. Read before you respond.
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nafiy gnaw
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Posted - 2010.08.02 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Celonious Velador
I am not concerned with 'fairness' whatsoever. The chestbeating and proud declaration that someone has destroyed a PvE fitted ship with a PvP fitted ship is lame. I did not speak of 'fair' at all. Read before you respond.
Oh, going a little defensive arent you? Your original argument is 'killing pve ship with pvp ship is lame', your argument now is 'boasting about killing pve ship is lame'. What a nice and quick way to abandon your own argument.
In term of killing PVE ships, it does depend on what kind of "PVE fitted" ship is killed isnt it? Is it just an "ordinarily fitted" PVE battleship? If yes, please point me to a thread in the forum where anyone is boasting about killing one. On the other hand, if that "PVE" ship is a multi-billion faction-fitted ship, or a hilariously fail-fit (such as a megathorn with lasers and missles), then tell me why we are somehow not allowed to lol at the hilarity.
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Little Tigerlilly
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Posted - 2010.08.02 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mel Lifera Edited by: Mel Lifera on 20/06/2010 13:48:48 In high-sec, you can shoot at someone who steals from your can. You even have the advantage, because the thief can't fire at you until you shoot at him first. But if you choose to shoot, normal combat rules apply - to wit: the better ship and pilot pops the other. It's like that all over New Eden.
You were obviously not the better ship and pilot. It's nearly always like that when it comes to a fight between one of us and a carebear.
Wouldn't it be nice if you could call Concord to come deal with these situation? If they've flagged themselves as hostile in a high sec area like this you should be able to turn on a concord distress beacon and that person will have 60 seconds to depart the system or get his ship is ganked. That would solve the problem. No need to try and fight it out with them, what is the point, you're in high sec, let security escort him out.
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Celonious Velador
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.02 20:42:00 -
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If you do not agree with my position that is cool. If you do not understand what I am saying, then feel free to ask me to clarify. Destroying a PvE fitted ship is not difficult. I washed my hands earlier today. (an act not worth boasting or commenting on)
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Kharan JinDojan
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Posted - 2010.08.02 21:24:00 -
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The worst thing about the Ninja's and thier "pvp" ilk is the fact that they drop crappy loot. In my experiences with these uber leet "pvpers' has been rather sad. They tend to bail when the target has a chance of fighting back.
Last time I had a few corpies jump in to help me after the typical popped the frig then a gang warped in thing. Once they saw I had help, (they still had 1 more BS then us but we had a EW/Repper ship) they bailed leaving the tackled ships to us.
TBH...we've stopped doing this, while its nice to get a little payback its not worth the time/effort. My advice would just be to ignore them. After all they can't kill you unless you let them.
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Celonious Velador
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.02 21:38:00 -
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Absolutely true. It is a very expensive lesson usually, but it is a lesson to be learned by the unfortunate/uninformed and shared with corpies/friends. You can shoot a can flipping Daredevil in your mission, you have the right... But, the daredevil will likely point(scramble) and kill your mission running battleship. You cannot be engaged unless you shoot at him. If he flips your can you 'may' shoot him without Concord intervention, but you do not have to shoot him. If you do not engage the can flipper, he cannot engage you without Concord swooping in and popping his craft.
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Admiral Hawke
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Posted - 2010.08.03 01:44:00 -
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poasting in a thread that is too long and lolz.
I'm assuming, you don't ever use the forums until you need to bother someone about why this game allows such "tripe."
If you read the forums once in a while, you'd find someone whining about EvE is losing members because, they're being harrased while bearing. No one cared then, and no one cares now.
Yea it can suck. But you're either one of three types of players. You R: Take revenge. 2: Quit or D: Become the party you're whining about.
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Zyress
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Posted - 2010.08.03 16:50:00 -
[114]
Sounds like a business opportunity. There should be a method or contract with legal bearing in the game that would allow a guild to receive protection money from a player or guild to get kill rights on ninjas they have kill rights on. An anti-ninja service for the carebear crowd. I gotta admit I hate ninjas that come in my missions and my most satisfying kill ever was a ninja in a mission I had out of Motsu. He was in a typical ninja destroyer looting my wrecks. I left and came back with a frigate scrambled, webbed and slowly blasted him to bits, gawd that was good. He came back in a inty for revenge of course, I returned in my BC, he left and returned in his battleship, and then the agression timer ran out. I usually don't see them in my missions though, for one thing I don't mission in Motsu anymore its just ridiculous there, another is I clean my wrecks after each pocket before moving on to the next, they have a very small window of time to find them.
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Brickhead816
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Posted - 2010.08.07 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aiden Vorlan
Originally by: Drake Konstantin
Originally by: Frank d'Fairy
Originally by: Sagacious Z
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As a soldier, I will thank you not to compare this game to a tour of duty. If you do have a son in the service, do him a favor a show some respect.
@OP
4/10 because it's starting to draw the "THIS IS LIKE RL," crowd from c&p.
must be an infantard
I'd appreciate it if you didn't insult infantry like that. Infantry are lovingly referred to as the "smartest dumb people you'll ever meet". I know many PFCs in the Marine Corps who were 0311s and 0321s who could pull out advanced trigonometry answers without needing paper to do the work on. And they came out with the correct answers!
If you are going to insult anyone, please direct your sarcasm towards the ASVAB waivers in the 3531/3521 community - Motor Transport, or Motor T. Seriously, it requires a pulse to get into the Marines (current ASVAB requirements: 31, which means you passed 9th grade) and half my platoon in Okinawa, Japan and on Camp Lejeune, NC was ASVAB waivers. I swear it!
And just for the record, it doesn't take just a pulse to get into the Corps. Our asvab requirements are about the same as every other branch and higher then the army. |
Sibil Vane
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:19:00 -
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Bating pve ships and RP-pirates how special. gg.
Now OP you go roll a Griefer alt, just to **** with people. Do it! All men are prepared to accomplish the incredible if their ideals are threatened. |
lord xavier
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2010.08.08 05:41:00 -
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I am sorry but just wow. You demand a ship reimbursement for being can flipped. If you don't like how people outsmart you, learn how to outsmart them. Simple as that. Biomass is free (of) Eve4life! |
Xorv
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jagged Bluetooth High sec should be just that ...."high sec"
I agree with you, High Sec should be High Sec, and as such every single RAT and combat mission should be removed from High Security space... well they can keep a few really weak RAT frigates for newbies to practice on and we can pretend they snuck by Concord somehow. As it's space already heavily populated and controlled by the major factions, mining should be pretty limited as well, as you would think it would already have been depleated or claimed by one of the many NPC industrial Corps. Exploration sites can go to, as surely everywhere has already been explored in high Sec.
There High Security Space, where you can work on Industry, the market, and do courier missions.
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Admiral Heihachiro
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse True Reign
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Posted - 2010.08.09 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jagged Bluetooth you allow these people to be dishonest and they then can't tell the difference in real life !!????
I can personally confirm that every griefer, pirate, can flipper, suicide ganker and highsec wardeccer is a criminal IRL.
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5nake pliskan
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Icegaard Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 21/06/2010 04:00:03
Originally by: Jagged Bluetooth Over the past year or so I have heard dozens and dozens of people complain about how guys can steal mission rewards / flip cans and a myriad of often more complicated rules and tripe to kill carebears. Why do eve condone this ? Is a thief in eve surely not exactly the same as one in real life.
High sec should be just that ...."high sec" Everyone goes on about the rights of player killers etc ...what about the carebears rights ?????
In a game where you employ marketing analysts etc to make eve as real as possible..isn't there something fundementally wrong promoting theft. ie you allow these people to be dishonest and they then can't tell the difference in real life !!???? Am seriously thinking of packing in my accounts .....you're going to lose your mature players almost as quick as you gained them.... This is not a whine and I am not asking you to replace my ship... sort it out eve !!!!!!!
Yeah, I know. But EvE is far from the worst MMOG. I used to play this other game called WWII online. But it was TOTALLY unplayable! Where ever I went I got shot at, or stabbed or blown up by bombs or grenades. I liked to fly, so I took a Spitfire or a Hurricane for a ride. But without fail someone came after me trying to shoot me down and destroy my plane. And all this was done to me by other players!
Needless to say I petitioned this to the GMs and surely you understand my shock when I learned that they condoned all this antisocial and murderous behavior. They came up with all kinds of weak excuses such as that their game were about World War II and that stuff like this happened there.. blah blah blah.
Gives me nightmares when I think about all the horrible people playing that game.
Or, perhaps Im being sarcastic Is OP really serious?
Edit: My point being that perhaps people should check the short-stories and try to understand the ôsettingö of the game before they subscribe. Then they don't have to be surprised when other players tries to interact with them in a way that leads to the destruction of their achievements.
I know some players think that they can choose not to subscribe to the PVP side of the game as they often give voice to the notion that they are entitled to immunity from unwanted PVP.
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