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Mercury Alar
Harrison Jones Explorers Association
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Posted - 2012.07.18 11:02:00 -
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is it safe to set a pos in high sec for research? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.07.18 11:07:00 -
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Define Safe?
Definitions: 'You'll never be bothered because of it' : not safe. 'You'll always have time to pull it down before someone gets to attack it without concord intervening' : safe. 'Can't be blown up without a wardec' : Safe (well, probably. Technically it is possible to blow through defences with suicide ganks. Just very very expensive.) FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.18 11:12:00 -
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Yes. There's almost no chance you're going to lose it.
(1) It gets attacked randomly - CONCORD will destroy the attacker (2) Wardec - you have 24 hours to take it down and store it for the duration (3) Bothered. For a large dickstar in high sec, nobody will be bothered to (no dreads/cap ships in high sec).
Pretty much the only towers that get attacked and taken down in high sec are abandoned. |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.18 13:28:00 -
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Also, you can decrease the wardecs by putting the pos at the back end of forever.
I've had the same POS up for 4 years now, never a wardec, because it's a place nobody goes, nobody passes through. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
446
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Posted - 2012.07.19 01:37:00 -
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Mercury Alar wrote:is it safe to set a pos in high sec for research?
Do it in a system without a station and you'll be fine. -RubyPorto
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.19 02:19:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Do it in a system without a station and you'll be fine.
If you're using the POS for research or manufacturing, this is terrible advice. Labs or assembly arrays on a pos in a non-station system means anyone who sees it knows there are blueprints inside.
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
446
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Posted - 2012.07.19 02:24:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Do it in a system without a station and you'll be fine. If you're using the POS for research or manufacturing, this is terrible advice. Labs or assembly arrays on a pos in a non-station system means anyone who sees it knows there are blueprints inside.
Why does everyone have to ruin my fun.
@OP: FYI, most of what you need to know is available in public guides and other forum threads. Use those to try to figure out what the consensus is on various aspects of your project. Not all advice is good, let alone well intentioned. -RubyPorto
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
GreenSeed
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Posted - 2012.07.19 02:38:00 -
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Nothing is safe anywhere on eve, itGÇÖs a matter of how much do you **** people off.
Killing a pure ECM large tower in hsec needs atleast 10 people with a good 3 hours to spare.
If you bother to go defend the tower with atleast 2 PoS gunners, you will **** them horrendously unless they bring another 10 people.
So the question is, do you plan on pissing a lot of people off?
Pipa Porto wrote:(Oh, and I think I did the math on suicide ganking POSes once. IIRC it's something like 20b to gank a small without hardeners.)
How do you intend on ganking something that goes invulnerable when shields go down? |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
446
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Posted - 2012.07.19 02:52:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:(Oh, and I think I did the math on suicide ganking POSes once. IIRC it's something like 20b to gank a small without hardeners.) How do you intend on ganking something that goes invulnerable when shields go down?
You do 2 runs 1d17h apart. -RubyPorto
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
365
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Posted - 2012.07.19 06:08:00 -
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Don't put it up in a 0.5 system, that'll attract people to dec you. Also, don't put it up 4 jumps from Jita. The only time I had an issue with a tower both of those were true. Never lost it, but got dec'd a few times.
All other times no one cared. Hell, I didn't even have it online for months and no one touched it. You don't even need to anchor guns.
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Equus
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:30:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:Don't put it up in a 0.5 system, that'll attract people to dec you. Also, don't put it up 4 jumps from Jita. The only time I had an issue with a tower both of those were true. Never lost it, but got dec'd a few times.
All other times no one cared. Hell, I didn't even have it online for months and no one touched it. You don't even need to anchor guns.
How is a 0.5 system more likely to attract a war dec than a 0.6+? |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.19 17:11:00 -
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Put up a large d!ckstar, and you'll probably be fine. Put up a small, and some schlub with five accounts will wardec you just to blow it up. Tiny ***** syndrome, and all that.
Go medium in an out-of-the-way area, don't talk smack on forums/Local, and you'll probably be OK. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.19 17:11:00 -
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Equus wrote:Zifrian wrote:Don't put it up in a 0.5 system, that'll attract people to dec you. Also, don't put it up 4 jumps from Jita. The only time I had an issue with a tower both of those were true. Never lost it, but got dec'd a few times.
All other times no one cared. Hell, I didn't even have it online for months and no one touched it. You don't even need to anchor guns.
How is a 0.5 system more likely to attract a war dec than a 0.6+?
It's not. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
366
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Posted - 2012.07.19 18:30:00 -
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Equus wrote:Zifrian wrote:Don't put it up in a 0.5 system, that'll attract people to dec you. Also, don't put it up 4 jumps from Jita. The only time I had an issue with a tower both of those were true. Never lost it, but got dec'd a few times.
All other times no one cared. Hell, I didn't even have it online for months and no one touched it. You don't even need to anchor guns.
How is a 0.5 system more likely to attract a war dec than a 0.6+? Corps can get standing to put up a tower in a 0.5 system easier than 0.6+ Thus, more demand for the easier route to put up a tower. You put up a weak tower in a 0.5 system that has no free moons (very likely) then you will be more likely to get wardec'd by a corp that wants one. I.e. if you are a solo corp vs. a large corp? Who do you think is going to get dec'd first?
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Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
33
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:08:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:How is a 0.5 system more likely to attract a war dec than a 0.6+? Corps can get standing to put up a tower in a 0.5 system easier than 0.6+ Thus, more demand for the easier route to put up a tower. You put up a weak tower in a 0.5 system that has no free moons (very likely) then you will be more likely to get wardec'd by a corp that wants one. I.e. if you are a solo corp vs. a large corp? Who do you think is going to get dec'd first? [/quote]
tbh there are so many empty moons, the area i got my tower in has 4 empty moons, one offline tower with plenty of mods to plunder if one so wishes. 2 small towers with just a lab each..
0.5 sec system.
i wouldnt worry too much about that tbh. now if you are in caldari space near jita.. yes then it is a consideration but if you move out a bit.. no one cares. plenty of space available
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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
119
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:44:00 -
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I wouldn't worry about it too much. The most important thing is that you make it a dikstar. Only time people will care to bother you is if you specifically tell them to come at you bros
Second most important is that it's off the main highways. Doesn't have to be in some hole, just off the beaten path.
I've had a pos 4 jumps away from jita, in a 0.5 and next to low sec for years. So many "rules" broken... |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
236
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Posted - 2012.07.20 15:07:00 -
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I had a large POS up in 0.5 space, 4 jumps from Jita. It had ZERO defences mounted, let alone turned on. It was exclusively labs and mfg arrays, and my corp size fluctuated between 15 and 18 chars.
I kept it up for close to a year. Not once was I bothered, by anyone.
Only reason it is still not up is most of my friends in the corp have grown tired of the game in its current state, and so have I.
The biggest problem you will have with a large POS in high sec (I state again Large), will be the fueling and doing a huge amount of industry required to justify the existence of the POS. |
JonnyRandom
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Posted - 2012.07.30 13:23:00 -
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What is a d*ckstar that everyone keeps referring to? I'm assuming it's a POS with EWAR defences that makes it a royal pita to take down? |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2012.07.30 14:28:00 -
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JonnyRandom wrote:What is a d*ckstar that everyone keeps referring to? I'm assuming it's a POS with EWAR defences that makes it a royal pita to take down?
High resists and a lot of EWAR.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dickstar |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
148
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Posted - 2012.07.30 18:32:00 -
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I had a small tower in a busy high sec system with no defense other than a couple anchored offline hardeners for over a year without a single war dec, three labs and corp hanger in use.
I have now upgraded to a large tower. In my experience high sec POSes are very safe.
If someone wants to bash your POS they must war dec you first. 24 hours is plenty of time to move out anything valuable if not take it down completely before they can attack it. It costs them 50 mil to war dec and will take 6 ships with 8 large guns each several hours to pop a small tower. That is with no defenses. Even small towers have a decent shield recharge rate. It would take 20-30 ships to take down a high sec POS in any short amount of time. Who would bother with that amount of work and coordination with so little chance of any worthwhile loot.
POS bashing is very boring and nobody does it just for fun. At least not in high sec. There is almost no chance of them even making enough to pay for ammo unless they know you have something valuable in it, and know you will not be around to clean it out before they can take it down.
That generally means a spy. Why would anyone want to spy on you? Unless you are a huge corp or assosiated with a PVP character they hate you are safe.
If you have no enemies that are willing to go out of there way and do boring activity like POS bashing just to hurt you with very little return, you are very safe.
Do not do anything to make these types of enemies, keep your indy corp separate from your PVP activity. And never POST on the forums about having a POS with any active character that can be taced to said POS.. That is what forum alts are for.
This character, for example is in a private corp but not an active corp with assets to hit. I use him for forum posting, as a market alt for checking the active market in different hubs. Eventually he may become a PI and cyno alt but will never be linked to my main or indy toons through post or corp. Any one can war dec this corp, but they will never see a target in game, unless it is a market alt traveling between hubs in a noob ship.
No link to my indy corp, or my active characters.
It is very easy to keep a high sec POS very safe.
That does not mean you can not get war dec'ed, but there is very little chance if you avoid making yourself a target. |
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JonnyRandom
30
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:49:00 -
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From your experience, a moon close enough to a trade hub is not worth the time and effort to take down whatever 1-man corp set up a POS there? |
Pipa Porto
578
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:56:00 -
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JonnyRandom wrote:From your experience, a moon close enough to a trade hub is not worth the time and effort to take down whatever 1-man corp set up a POS there?
Near a Hub you might have some issues. In an Ice belt might also have some issues.
5-6 jumps out of a Hub and you're probably fine. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
897
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Posted - 2012.07.31 21:57:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:JonnyRandom wrote:From your experience, a moon close enough to a trade hub is not worth the time and effort to take down whatever 1-man corp set up a POS there? Near a Hub you might have some issues. In an Ice belt might also have some issues. 5-6 jumps out of a Hub and you're probably fine. Within 1-2 jumps, you are usually in the same constellation. Once outside that constellation, the number of possible systems increases exponentially. You can quickly be into a different region.
Typically being in the same region is preferable for remote trading, so you may want to go further from the hub to stay in the same region.
Location. Location. Location.
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