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Ivas Tiffy
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Posted - 2010.06.28 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ivas Tiffy on 28/06/2010 01:46:22
Originally by: JitaArse may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
gosh i hope so...
the tears from all the guys that didnt skill up properly is going to be epic. waaaaa i only got 500k sp from learning to spend and others got upto 5+m sp each.. WHY ARE YOU SCREWING OVER THE SMALL GUSY CCP?!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go ahead and clap. Mediocrity deserves applause. Why don't we go find Pandemic Legion and clap around them! |
Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.28 10:12:00 -
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Learning skills:
Remove, reimburse SP, Set Training Speed up to 5/5 rate: Everyone happy. Old players wont mind the income of free SP, new players wont mind the removed necessity to train learning skills.
Whoever is against such an idea has a weird mind imho.
If they were going to slow training down or not reimburse SP that would be bad
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Bryg Philomena
Don't Taze Me Bro
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Orion GUardian Learning skills:
Remove, reimburse SP, Set Training Speed up to 5/5 rate: Everyone happy. Old players wont mind the income of free SP, new players wont mind the removed necessity to train learning skills.
Whoever is against such an idea has a weird mind imho.
If they were going to slow training down or not reimburse SP that would be bad
Nah, I like learning skills. Sure they suck to start, and realistically you don't need to max them at all. But it shows who invested the time into their character's development. Who planned to play long enough to utilize the skills.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.29 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: ViolenTUK on 29/06/2010 04:12:29
Originally by: Orion GUardian Learning skills:
Remove, reimburse SP, Set Training Speed up to 5/5 rate: Everyone happy. Old players wont mind the income of free SP, new players wont mind the removed necessity to train learning skills.
Whoever is against such an idea has a weird mind imho.
If they were going to slow training down or not reimburse SP that would be bad
No not everyone would be happy. Many people would be very unhappy. If learning skills were that much of a problem then giving everyone the skills would cause the least amount of anger. I said least amount.
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Badmin
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Posted - 2010.06.29 07:21:00 -
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I love how this turned from "What are you going to do with your Free SP" to "OH what i would do if they took away Learning skills (or not)".
Good job to stay on topic everyone.
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Seraphina Kan'Dori
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:05:00 -
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I'm pretty sure it says that it's simply a reimbursement for the extended DT. But I'm sure everyone noticed that, and didn't blow anything out of proportion.....
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Thelarian Prime
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:36:00 -
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well Personally I am just going to put my free points towards one of my learning skills and be done with on both of my accounts. Thats what the topic was what we are going to do with the skill points right.
How many are we getting though that would be nice to know though. always nice to get a few extra SP's not gonna complain about that.
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Socio Stan
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:55:00 -
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Reimbursing learning skill SP would make Pottsey correct about advanced charisma. If it can get refunded in full at some point, all learning skills are a very good investment.
Unfortunately, Pottsey will never be correct about anything, so we will not receive a learning skill reimbursement. Thanks Pottsey. |
Morago
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:17:00 -
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I have a character on my account who has more SP than my main, who I'm developing now. They should assign bonus SP for account, not character.
On removing learning skills: learning skills play filter role for new players, a harsh filter. Most new players become bored early and quit trying to max learnings before anything else, because someone says it's best way, and that's the nature of learning skills. However, those who stay are more dedicated, self-controlling. The question is what is better: more general players or few dedicated ones.
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Razean
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Morago However, those who stay are more dedicated, self-controlling. The question is what is better: more general players or few dedicated ones.
Dedication to an arbitrary training hurdle that has absolutely zero influence on actual gameplay is meaningless. It's nothing more than a dedication to asinine time syncs that provide no entertainment value whatsoever. Hardly the sort of dedication that should be valued in anyone.
I've got all my attribute learning sets at 5/4 (except Charisma, which is at 4/4), and frankly I would have no problem with CCP removing them even if I weren't reimbursed for them myself. They are simply a detriment to Eve as a whole and should not be supported in any way.
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0lIO15
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:13:00 -
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I wish people would STFU about learning skills. THEY AREN'T REQUIRED. You don't want to waste time training them? Then don't. They reduce training time overall, so you're not actually wasting any time. Any idiot with half a brain should be able to figure out that the time savings comes with higher rank skills. Saving or not saving 30 minutes off Gallente Frigate 4 is hardly a game buster. If you want to get started with a basic tackle/L1 mission runner, you can be good to go in a few days. Learn how to do some f*cking math and don't forget the training bonus. |
Jadonnis Searstorm
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Posted - 2010.06.29 18:54:00 -
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To get back OT:
Being fairly new to the game, I will prob apply my extra SP to my learning skills.
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Luis Graca
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:58:00 -
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is this bonus forever or do i have a limit in time to use it?
the reason is that i don't whant to lose the 100% bonus for having less than 900k SP
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Iscuron
Gallente Atomic Battle Pigeons
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Luis Graca is this bonus forever or do i have a limit in time to use it?
the reason is that i don't whant to lose the 100% bonus for having less than 900k SP
Quote from the Skill Reimbursement article on EVElopedia: "Please note: There is no time restriction to the skill points. You will keep them until they are spent."
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Archestratidas
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Posted - 2010.06.29 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Iscuron Quote from the Skill Reimbursement article on EVElopedia: "Please note: There is no time restriction to the skill points. You will keep them until they are spent."
I like the Tax Evasion skill in the screenshots, where do I get that sack of awesome
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.06.30 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Morago On removing learning skills: learning skills play filter role for new players, a harsh filter. Most new players become bored early and quit trying to max learnings before anything else, because someone says it's best way, and that's the nature of learning skills. However, those who stay are more dedicated, self-controlling. The question is what is better: more general players or few dedicated ones.
It's sort of a bull-like, stupid dedication though, since a moderately intelligent player will see the diminishing returns on that level 5 of the advanced learning skill, make the (new total attribute)*(4->5 training time) = (time to break even if you only train skills with that attribute) calculation, and settle into a 4/4 configuration, with learning itself at 5 and maybe a 5/4 on the primary learning for their favorite skill set.
They will do this because a basic understanding of the system and statistical systems will tell them that that four days saved over five years (or whatever, depending on remaps and such) is going to be absolutely dwarfed by the time wasted on false-starts down skill trees, patches with buffs/nerfs causing you to take new directions, and simple boredom driving you into new paths that leaves that Hulk in the station collecting dust along with its tens of millions of SP.
The people that lack long-term planning skills aren't the ones that stop before 5/5 in this hypothetical of yours. If you were to set a planning and intelligence filter on EVE players based on learning skill investment, you'd have to cut out the high end as well as the low.
//Short version: Learn to min/max, lad. I recommend D&D 4e as an intro to dealing with the statistics of dynamic systems. Do the officially sponsored play and actually read the eratta as they come out, and see what the attitude/strategy of the owners of the most robust characters is.
//NEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS
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David88x77
Galactic Express
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Posted - 2010.06.30 04:58:00 -
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Edited by: David88x77 on 30/06/2010 04:58:41 I liked the 100k sp... was nice to bump up some training time.
On the topic of getting rid of learning skills... Get rid of them. Make the base 5/5 and refund people's skill points or else I will be angry
I would enjoy 5.376 million skill points all at once.
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