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Heian
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:57:00 -
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Understand EvE.
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Swidgen
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Heian Understand EvE.
We can view reality from three perspectives. There's the way we perceive it, the way we want it to be, and the way it actually is. You are clearly not behind Door #3. |
Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:38:00 -
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Just because some of us had to play for years to skill up, does not mean its a bad idea to allow others to catch up. it's called "progress" tell me 3 ways this hurts you directly ? how does it effect your life or your game in the most minutest of ways.
You cant because it wouldn't at all, all the assembled "waa I am quiting if you dare to allow others to catch up to me", crowd complain for is to complain. It wont effect anyone in any way, what it will do is suddenly provide a HUGE influx of new blood into 0.0 (just because you have the SP does mean you will be any harder to kill in 0.0.
SO what if I played for years, who cares, if the guy who started yesterday, has to pay 100$ of his hard earned readies to catch up to me, its a fair trade. Means I get someone new to play with in 0.0 instead of the usual anel retentive ego maniacs, an narcissistic ******s that infest 0.0 corps now.
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StealthGerbils
Advanced Component Research Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:42:00 -
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Who cares if you can buy SP? The one thing you can't buy is experience!
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Criss AngeI
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:59:00 -
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sweet lets have 500 titan pilots in every corp in eve great idea
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:02:00 -
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An how would those 500 titan pilots afford it ? You still have to have the 60-80 billion isk (fitted). Isn't quite as easy as that. Even if they did do it, realistically how many are gonna spend 100$+ just to skill up a char in a computer game that has zero value.
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Epeen on 25/06/2010 04:07:47
Originally by: Criss AngeI sweet lets have 500 titan pilots in every corp in eve great idea
I'm down with that.
What's a Titan sell for now?
That's a lot of ISK getting blown up because doorknobs with money and no experience think Titan is endgame and want to be in one years before they should.
I say DO IT!!!
Mr Epeen
Edit: Erp. Zill jumped in before me :P
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Balsak
Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 25/06/2010 04:11:48
Originally by: Zill Just because some of us had to play for years to skill up, does not mean its a bad idea to allow others to catch up. it's called "progress" tell me 3 ways this hurts you directly ? how does it effect your life or your game in the most minutest of ways.
You cant because it wouldn't at all, all the assembled "waa I am quiting if you dare to allow others to catch up to me", crowd complain for is to complain. It wont effect anyone in any way, what it will do is suddenly provide a HUGE influx of new blood into 0.0 (just because you have the SP does mean you will be any harder to kill in 0.0.
SO what if I played for years, who cares, if the guy who started yesterday, has to pay 100$ of his hard earned readies to catch up to me, its a fair trade. Means I get someone new to play with in 0.0 instead of the usual anel retentive ego maniacs, an narcissistic ******s that infest 0.0 corps now.
You think this would allow you to catch up ? This would widen the gap between the new and old players. Old players would have the ISK or just as much real world cash as new players to buy skill points.
I would support the buying of skill points if they made every skill in the game work like tech 3 subsystem skills where you lost a level off every skill when you lost a ship.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zill Just because some of us had to play for years to skill up, does not mean its a bad idea to allow others to catch up. it's called "progress" tell me 3 ways this hurts you directly ? how does it effect your life or your game in the most minutest of ways.
This is extremely unlikely to ever happen. Even the most micromanagement heavy games often don't sell these kinds of advantages and in most of those games the players aren't in direct competition like in EVE. In a game like EVE where most actions affects other player directly or indirectly it would be naive to pretend it would not have affects on the game. I'm sure you wouldn't mind and can't or aren't interested in seeing the affects, but that doen't mean they aren't there.
The largest direct affect would be that it would increase the rift between richer and poorer players. This affects everyone not rich in a negative way. Currently they differ in the number of alts, but you can't buy your way around basic game mechanics. When you have to pay extra to stay competative, you will **** off a lot of people. Currently everyone is treated as equal in that regard and people have strong emotions about this kind of equality.
Indirectly for example it affects the way the game is being developed in a negative way. You can take a look at games where microtransactions are in use and they all have huge ammounts of extra gamestore items being developed while the core game suffers from the lack of dev time. Instead of creating a great game and a living world for everyone, the focus is directed to intentional inconveniences and selling solutions for them or catering to the whims of rich players wants no matter how badly they fit the gameworld/timeline.
Originally by: Zill You cant because it wouldn't at all, all the assembled "waa I am quiting if you dare to allow others to catch up to me", crowd complain for is to complain. It wont effect anyone in any way, what it will do is suddenly provide a HUGE influx of new blood into 0.0 (just because you have the SP does mean you will be any harder to kill in 0.0.
You would be unlike to catch up to too many players, since the people addicted to EVE are more likely to spend more money on it. Ofcourse you are catching up to the veterans already in effectiveness, so there really isn't a need for a this kind of system for the sake of new players. Cathing up in total SP count isn't that important. It allows variation, but that can be achieved by buying alt accounts. I also think the "I am quitting, if you dare to allow people to circumvent normal game restrictions with RL cash" crowd and "I'm quitting, if you dare to ruin this game with microtransactions" crowd would also be somewhat vocal after this kind of move. Combined they are much more important than the "I have too much cash and I want all things NAO!!! or I'm going to quit" crowd.
Originally by: Zill SO what if I played for years, who cares, if the guy who started yesterday, has to pay 100$ of his hard earned readies to catch up to me, its a fair trade. Means I get someone new to play with in 0.0 instead of the usual anel retentive ego maniacs, an narcissistic ******s that infest 0.0 corps now.
Well I care, if a new player can just pay a 100$ and catch up, since that would be too little and that kind of advantage over regular players should always be kept to a minimum. 1000$ would be the bare minimum he should have to pay to catch up to me and be considered even remotely a fair trade. It is also a principle issue to some, so they will be gone the day CCP does this no matter how fair the deal is.
PS: You seem mad about 0.0 and how people have treated you more than anything else. Do you think this will get better or worse for you, when they find out you actually bought everything on your character with RL cash instead playing like most of them? Because they sure as hell wouldn't be ****ed or envious or anything and treat you totally different, than other players, right?
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:54:00 -
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I fully support this thread!
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Fortum Peccavi
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:06:00 -
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Wait what? What's going on here? I leave for a little bit and come back and you people are all talking about these crazy ideas of buying SP and stuff... this can't be true, can it? What horrible monster thought up this idea?
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suckitdonks
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:15:00 -
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Buying SP with $$$ is never going to happen since that would kill the character bazaar which CCP makes money off all the transfers
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Ryhss
Caldari Victory Fleet Systems C.H.A.L.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ryhss on 25/06/2010 06:33:11 Would this be the only way to train skills, by buying them? That would suck chickens. If they institute sp buying or any micro transactions, I'll leave the game I love, I know one guys opinion will not change anyones mind, but it's my opinion, and I'm allowed to have it. And allowed to share it.
Originally by: Abrazzar I don't know what's going on but I am terribly upset about it.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: suckitdonks Buying SP with $$$ is never going to happen since that would kill the character bazaar which CCP makes money off all the transfers
Unlike if you would buy SP with $$$, then CCP doesnt make money, right...
The issue is that all people here are getting a pavlov reaction when buying SP with money is mentioned. Same when WoW is mentioned, if blizard would have boosted rockets in WoW, everyone here would say rockets need a nerf.
Personally i say it is a bad idea, it would give huge advantage to people who just spend more money (fun facts: people who are so vocal against buying SP with money are usually also the same ones who tell new players it doesnt matter they got 100M less SP, dont ask me why buying SP would matter if difference in SP doesnt). However I also think character bazaar en GTC trade (although last one understandable) are not fair.
But something simple like char name changes are then not allowed, which wouldnt give any trouble (assuming there is something like char name history like employement history).
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Zitus
NON PROPERO
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zill
You cant because it wouldn't at all, all the assembled "waa I am quiting if you dare to allow others to catch up to me", crowd complain for is to complain. It wont effect anyone in any way, what it will do is suddenly provide a HUGE influx of new blood into 0.0 (just because you have the SP does mean you will be any harder to kill in 0.0.
SO what if I played for years, who cares, if the guy who started yesterday, has to pay 100$ of his hard earned readies to catch up to me, its a fair trade. Means I get someone new to play with in 0.0 instead of the usual anel retentive ego maniacs, an narcissistic ******s that infest 0.0 corps now.
You're probably the kind of guy who walks in on a Monopoly game in progress and asks to join in with as much cash and property as the winning guy right now.
Now would you let someone else join a game where you were losing already, and then they instantly have as much cash and property as the winning guy?
To the second poster in the thread, Yeah. Door 1 is what you see, door 2 is how you want it, door 3 is how it is. But when will the rest of the friggin world understand that there's a door number 4, and its how the game treats every single person out there.
But what do I care? I'm a three year old vet. Go ahead and make SP marketable. I'll be glad to exploit it to the fullest, I got the isk to. I wouldn't need to spend a penny.
Everyone that posts here wants a leg up on everyone else. But they don't ever realize that that advantage is given to everyone.
Take something extraordinary, and give it to everyone? It ceases to be extraordinary. ------------------ I'm not sure if my eyes are actually bleeding, or if it's merely my brain bleeding out through my eye sockets, but either way, it hurts to read what you just wrote |
TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:45:00 -
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One reason for not selling sp or even entertaining the idea.
Delayed gratification. In an offline game like GTA, buying the game, throwing in all the cheats, getting evrything and getting board after 15min is fine because you already bought the game.
In Eve, subbing the game, buying a load of sp\isk, floating around not getting it then getting board and ****ing off back to wow means less money for CCP.
Would it be fun to have all lvl 5 skills? For 15min, sure, why not, that's what sisi is for.
Infact, even on sisi it's often a terrible idea, like when they want to test capitals so give everyone cap skills. People that don't have cap skills tend not to know how to use a capital properly.
On TQ? Hell ****ing no.
The switch from T1 to T2 drones was totally worth the training time and made me happy. Speeding into a bs to discover how crap it is without support skills only to go away, train up all the backup skills then come back months later to an awesome boat made me happy.
Starting and getting everything instantly just makes a game boring. If they do that, then they've sunk to a new low and I'll go find some other game :( --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:53:00 -
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I'm not angry mate,I got ****ed by XXdeath shadows, an FCON so the fact I "attempted" to hire IT to invade an destroy FCON should not be seen as "angry" lol
but seriously, I guess if I think on it more, it could have an effect on the game, but realistically you wont have every man an his dog spending hard earned on the game, it is after all a game, the chars have no value so you are not gonna poor cash into it.
Besides after a certain point SP doesn't really have that bigger effect on a player. 70 mil sp v 120 mil sp does not mean one will always kill the other.
If you had Chribba go up against say, "Digital Wanderer" the fact one has 130 mil an one has 140 mil sp wouldn't make an ounce of difference.
SP rates are guesses, I have no idea what chribba has.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari TerraNovae
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:58:00 -
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The main thing that always attracted me to EVE was the no XP grind. Only way to get better is by training and then use what you trained.
The whole buying of SP is a bad idea for several reasons.
People who think that being able to buy SP would close gaps for them towards people with more SP are very mistaken.
In one year you can have a character specialised enough for about any role you want to set it for. The only advantage older players have is that they have several specialisations they can choose from, but then again they played a heck of a time longer than those who started in 2009 or 2010.
As for having a Titan and be a socalled dndgame"player. This isn't WoW where you need the high end epics to be able to participate in endame stuff.
A trained Inty pilot is just as essential as capship pilots for that and you can get into an Inty pretty fast with skills good enough to fly it well.
This whole bullcrap about speculating what CCP is planning to do only gives the playerbase yet another stick to hit eachother with and I wish CCP would finally understand that the major part of EVE players can't handle speculations so best to not hint towards revamps of that magnitude till there are more concrete plans which can be shared.
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Blasphemour
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:03:00 -
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Shouldn't you guys wait untill more information becomes available? Buying SP hasn't been confirmed by CCP yet, has it?
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Steve Celeste
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:09:00 -
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Welcome back to Tranquility.
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:30:00 -
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OP lacks content.
Thread locked.
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