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Ivo Eeinhad
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Posted - 2010.07.09 18:19:00 -
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A quote comes to mind when watching them: "Wipe them out, all of them..." -Lord Sidious
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Dan Somtaaw
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Posted - 2010.07.09 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar An attack on Jita? It would have to be atleast a twin titan backed fleet because more capsuleers would show up than flies to a pile of cow poo.
Also as it is the main market hub it is WELL defended by forces and merc groups. Sansha would be a pure moron to attack there.
And that's when they will get our core worlds. Gather hundreds of thousands of capsuleers there and then bam. Attack alarms begin to ring all over the universe.
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acidic Bull3t
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Posted - 2010.07.10 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Negro If they were able to find a weak spot in its mechanism, (like developing a jamming device which makes the capsule unable the commuincate with its own ship, or worse, emmiting such pulses/ray which is able "enslave" a capsuleer for a brief period of time)than they will have a huge advantage over any empire's technology superiority.
ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL
Sorry had to.
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Samiloth Justinian
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.10 22:43:00 -
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Who cares about the Jovians? If they wanted to kill us then they would have done so long ago, instead they gave us capsuleer technology and thus gave us more power. They don't want to wage war against us, they want us to wage war against someone else.
The thing that should concern us is what frightens the Jovians to such a degree that they arm us with new technology. We all know they have manipulated their genepool and weeded out basic and necessary instincts. They don't even have aggression. Combine that with the fact that they seek out the only State of warriors in New Eden, the Caldari, and give us capsuleer technology and it becomes pretty obvious what kind of plans they have for us all.
The Sleepers can't be the threat that worries the Jovians. They are just a pointless group of vagabonds, withering away while our capsuleers farm them for loot. Caldari tax collectors are a far more serious threat then the Sleepers. The Jovian boogieman is either Terrans or some unknown race we know nothing about yet. In either case, the Jovians will be our allies when the day comes when we will have to face this threat.
The size of the Jove fleet is not what we should worry about, if we now have to worry about the Jovians. It's their technology that can defeat us with the flick of a switch. I just hope that the Jovians let us fight with them willingly instead of hacking our capsuleer brains, or intercepting our signals when we clone, and reprogram us to become their drones. It would suck to wake up as a Jove warrior drone one day. Preferably, they would actually protect us so this unknown enemy don't mess with our minds in similar ways.
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Jovan Geldon
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Posted - 2010.07.10 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 10/07/2010 23:00:22 As I see it, the presence of Sansha forces in Jovian space can only mean one of two things:
1. The Nation and the Directorate are working together to some unknown end. 2. The Nation has attacked the Directorate and taken the system (or at least, the station) by force.
Despite the undoubted prowess of the Jovian Navy, the boastful communiques left in this forum by Sansha representatives combined with the reports of a battle in 3-CE1R lead me to believe that the latter is the more likely of the two.
Unlike some of my other capsuleer bretheren I make no claims to Godhood, or indeed precognitive prowess, but the way things are progressing I can envisage these events marking a new chapter in the history of New Eden. If my previous assumption is correct then the Jovians have shown themselves to be deficient in mataining their soverignty, and (albeit probably later rather than sooner) they may decide that their only recourse is to open their borders and elicit help from the capsuleers they themselves helped to create.
All this is of course speculation, and I do not mean to imply that the loss of one system marks a seismic shift in centuries-old Jovian foreign policy. Having said that, if things continue as they have been and more Jovian systems fall to Kuvakei's forces, then things could get very interesting indeed...
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente Mia Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.11 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon 1. The Nation and the Directorate are working together to some unknown end. 2. The Nation has attacked the Directorate and taken the system (or at least, the station) by force.
Despite the undoubted prowess of the Jovian Navy, the boastful communiques left in this forum by Sansha representatives combined with the reports of a battle in 3-CE1R lead me to believe that the latter is the more likely of the two.
Also, if Joves are helping them/working with them, why the need to acquire a jovian ship in the Ansem event, rather than asking for a specimen from their partners? --- Kat |
RavenTesio
Caldari Liandri Corporation
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Posted - 2010.07.12 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 10/07/2010 23:00:22 As I see it, the presence of Sansha forces in Jovian space can only mean one of two things:
1. The Nation and the Directorate are working together to some unknown end. 2. The Nation has attacked the Directorate and taken the system (or at least, the station) by force.
Despite the undoubted prowess of the Jovian Navy, the boastful communiques left in this forum by Sansha representatives combined with the reports of a battle in 3-CE1R lead me to believe that the latter is the more likely of the two.
Unlike some of my other capsuleer bretheren I make no claims to Godhood, or indeed precognitive prowess, but the way things are progressing I can envisage these events marking a new chapter in the history of New Eden. If my previous assumption is correct then the Jovians have shown themselves to be deficient in mataining their soverignty, and (albeit probably later rather than sooner) they may decide that their only recourse is to open their borders and elicit help from the capsuleers they themselves helped to create.
All this is of course speculation, and I do not mean to imply that the loss of one system marks a seismic shift in centuries-old Jovian foreign policy. Having said that, if things continue as they have been and more Jovian systems fall to Kuvakei's forces, then things could get very interesting indeed...
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You may have a point there Jovan. I mean in any of the scenarios other capsuleers have put forward, what I think the only thing we know for a fact here is Nation is in Jovian space.
Something that has particularly peaked my interest about the recent affairs, is how Nation has at their disposal the ability to create wormholes. While no doubt his followers would lead us to believe they have control over them, it is possible that they don't. In fact the relatively sparse number of attacks by Nation within the Core systems as well as the recent probe being sent from the outer regions that they still have an issue with locking a target location.
We see the same problem with Jump Drives, sure you could use them without Cynosural Field; but you could end up anywhere. Still... it is definately interesting.
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Havok Pierce
Gallente Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.07.13 06:17:00 -
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I wonder about the effectiveness of moving multiple capital-type ships through wormholes. My corporation specializes in deep-reconnaissance through unknown space and I've never seen (or heard of) a wormhole stable enough to transfer more than three or four dreadnaught-class capitals without collapsing.
Now, if the Sansha managed to figure out how to direct the formations of wormholes or artificially stabilize the beasts... whole 'nother game there. While I have some contacts in Stain, it's been years since I last worked those spaceways. |
Arthainas
Amarr Black Hand Templars The Veyr Collective
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:58:00 -
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Why don't you lowly commoners do alittle more then guess as to the outcome of this? Take charge and raid Stain herself. Surely answers lay there in Nations home. Albeit, commoners are not known for thinking, but surely one of you must have thought of this?
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.07.13 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 13/07/2010 23:27:19
Originally by: Arthainas Why don't you lowly commoners do alittle more then guess as to the outcome of this? Take charge and raid Stain herself. Surely answers lay there in Nations home. Albeit, commoners are not known for thinking, but surely one of you must have thought of this?
Back at the dawn of all of this, yes.
Intermittently since then, yes.
Stain is as it long has been: a slowly swelling mass of Nation conventional craft and facilities.
It's the lizard's twitching, blue tail, pilot: so obvious, so vivid, that it must be the most important part. Only, it appears to be entirely ancillary to Kuvakei's present doings. His fleet, wherever it originally came from, seems to be operating apart from and independent of the Nation's more easily-accessible holdings.
We can probably do the Nation some damage in Stain, but the potential is likely neither more nor less there than it ever has been. There is always the possibility of stumbling upon something crucial, but it seems at least equally likely to me that said "something" would be found somewhere usually not considered to be associated with the Nation at all.
Sort of silly to hide something important where you know people will go looking for it, yes?
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Price cheka
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Posted - 2010.07.14 06:30:00 -
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when you say 'launched a probe and retrieved images from the other side of the WH' how is this done in game? Or is it really just someone from CCP roleplaying someone and providing crumbs to drool over? Because I dont ever recall the option to drop a probe through a WH.
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Severice
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.07.14 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Doctor It's not Jovian. I'd be more worried about the Sleepers.
Sleepers remain to be positively identified as a threat. They are hardly more than mindless drones, any intelligence can easily be attributed to complex interaction, like termites or ants.
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Our own intel indicates some startling revelations 1. W-Space Talocan and Sleeper antimatter caches have recently gone missing, moved, or destroyed.
I can't imagine such things having value to anyone.
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2. A number Talocan and Sleeper technology caches and archeological sites in unknown W-space systems have recently disappeared.
Me, my corporation, and my entire alliance would have nothing to do with that.
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3. A number of Oruze Constructs have become at least partially active, indicating that at least one of these installations is now transmitting information to the others.
Ok, this one is our bad. I told Tempa not to go pushing buttons.
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4. A number of "Mirrors" seem to be displaying some strange readings, indicating at least one "mirror" in (what seems to be) a network of them has become fully functional.
The mirror facilities are of quite some use to those that know their inner workings. We've made quite some advancements in communication technology by getting them operational. Along with advances in Afterburner and Micro-warp-drive technology derived from Blackhole class systems, weapon and ecm advancements from magnetars, shield advancements derived from pulsar systems. These testing environments are beautiful works of art.
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5. The Nation is most likely in possestion of at least one Oruze Construct, its facilities, and its technology and is using said technology to open wormholes in targetted systems.
Who isn't? They're just there for the taking.
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6. Sansha architechture shares notable characteristics with Sleeper technology and Talocan installations. Even if only a visual similarity exists, it poses a few questions.
If my memory serves, Sansha ship design was done by a now deceased madman?
That fleet looks impressive, I've never seen a fleet all lined up so pretty before. Lets hope they fight as well as they dance.
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Arthainas
Amarr Black Hand Templars The Veyr Collective
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Posted - 2010.07.15 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 13/07/2010 23:27:19
Originally by: Arthainas Why don't you lowly commoners do alittle more then guess as to the outcome of this? Take charge and raid Stain herself. Surely answers lay there in Nations home. Albeit, commoners are not known for thinking, but surely one of you must have thought of this?
Back at the dawn of all of this, yes.
Intermittently since then, yes.
Stain is as it long has been: a slowly swelling mass of Nation conventional craft and facilities.
It's the lizard's twitching, blue tail, pilot: so obvious, so vivid, that it must be the most important part. Only, it appears to be entirely ancillary to Kuvakei's present doings. His fleet, wherever it originally came from, seems to be operating apart from and independent of the Nation's more easily-accessible holdings.
We can probably do the Nation some damage in Stain, but the potential is likely neither more nor less there than it ever has been. There is always the possibility of stumbling upon something crucial, but it seems at least equally likely to me that said "something" would be found somewhere usually not considered to be associated with the Nation at all.
Sort of silly to hide something important where you know people will go looking for it, yes?
First you'll properly address a member of Nobilty properly. Second the best places to hide anything my dear is in plain sight. Who would think to look under their own noses? Kuvakei is more then likely, laughing at us trying to figure out some far out space for his sercets, when we have not even cheacked under our noses yet. Through my dear, be through.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.07.15 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Arthainas First you'll properly address a member of Nobilty properly.
Shall I?
Quote: Second the best places to hide anything my dear is in plain sight. Who would think to look under their own noses? Kuvakei is more then likely, laughing at us trying to figure out some far out space for his sercets, when we have not even cheacked under our noses yet. Through my dear, be through.
Thorough.... I see.
Your insight is indeed great. Our technique is lacking it is true; clearly our inability to find the key facility of which you speak is due to our own weakness and negligence.
And yet, I fear our incompetence will not vanish just for the desiring. But surely, your diligence can sniff out this hidden, key link?
Please show us how it should be done.
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Amann Karris
Amarr Karris Family
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Posted - 2010.07.15 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Arthainas First you'll properly address a member of Nobilty properly.
This is not a Great Hall of the Empire. You'll find that certain customs will be more a detriment to your presentations here than a boon.
Quote: Second the best places to hide anything my dear is in plain sight. Who would think to look under their own noses? Kuvakei is more then likely, laughing at us trying to figure out some far out space for his sercets, when we have not even cheacked under our noses yet. Through my dear, be through.
I believe... this... is about as "in plain sight" as you can get without giving everything away. If it were as simple as mounting a strike against Stain, it would have been done by now. Not by capsuleers, but by the Empires.
No, there is nothing to find of Nation in Stain that will help the current situation. Things are also seldom hidden in plain sight, for the simple fact that it would be plain to see. Stain is a dead end, the broken remains of a once great society. "Nation" is reborn.
Master Kuvakei has been named; has a single capsuleer commanding these Nation assaults claimed to be from "Sansha's Nation"?
Plain sight... my boy, everything is in plain sight if you know where to look. There is no sense in hiding it.
Quote: "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil" - The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3
Perhaps we should put our differences aside. Caldari, Gallente, Amarr and Minmatar, and as capsuleers face this threat where we can meet it; in space, on our terms. Let the Empires face the remnants of Kuvakei's shattered dream, let us, the heirs of a greater glory be the armor for those who can not protect themselves.
As capsuleers, our strength is not in never falling, but in raising ourselves up to even greater heights when we do.
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Noremac Cormyr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:49:00 -
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Unfortunately with the purported worm-hole abilities of the Nation, the nation may not have to face the empire navies directly. A strategic strike to cause chaos or severe damage or lose of life is more likely. The days of smashing fleets against each other may very well be over. A disabling strike against CONCORD (like the one purpritrated by the elder and thunker fleets during the same time as the attack on Caldari prime) or at major military production hubs could cause more damage than any frontal assault. If concord were to go down all most all capsuleers would be at each otherĘs throats. The cost of the losses would sky rocket to the billions in an hour. This would effectively eliminate most capsuleers as a threat and may very well tie up the navies as well while they attempt to quell the violence. If the Nation has any sort of strategic knowledge they would split that fleet into task forces and strike at important targets.
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Sylorin
Caldari MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2010.07.15 15:13:00 -
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Here's a thought about location and "plain sight."
Everyone is looking at that image and concentrating on the ships.
Take a close look at the sun. About what spectral class do you think? G or K? About how many AU from that star is this fleet? It looks like 1-5, very close in. LetĘs look at the traces gasses around this system.
Now let's look at the stars in the background. Can we see any known constellations? If we can correctly identify some of those stars, then we can (with some basic triangulation) determine if this image is indeed from Stain and not from, say, somewhere in Yulai.
Not that I doubt Captain NellĘs probe. But some extra verification on the location couldnĘt hurt.
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Arthainas
Amarr Black Hand Templars The Veyr Collective
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Posted - 2010.07.15 16:54:00 -
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The reason my dear boy that the Empire's or even Concord herself have not luanched an assusalt, is simply thus. None of them see Nation as a threat, not to mention each is unwilling to work with each other to gather detailed information on the subject.
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Amann Karris
Amarr Karris Family
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Posted - 2010.07.16 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Amann Karris on 16/07/2010 10:22:45
Originally by: Sylorin Not that I doubt Captain NellĘs probe. But some extra verification on the location couldnĘt hurt.
Perhaps CONCORD could put your concerns to rest.
Originally by: Arthainas The reason my dear boy that the Empire's or even Concord herself have not luanched an assusalt, is simply thus. None of them see Nation as a threat, not to mention each is unwilling to work with each other to gather detailed information on the subject.
I would again point to CONCORD's stance on the matter, cautioning against hubris. There is a reason no Empire has entered Jove space in a long, long time; at least without permission. If the Jove are silent, I doubt anyone would risk entering their space without prior consent.
Perhaps that is a clue, hmm?
Oh, I almost forgot. Exactly what is it that you are after?
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Arthainas
Amarr Black Hand Templars The Veyr Collective
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Posted - 2010.07.17 02:51:00 -
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What I seek is something ment only to be uttered to Kuvakei.
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Tanairi
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Posted - 2010.07.19 20:14:00 -
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Hello, all this is very interesting, but is that fleet really for killing, or is that a fictional story? sorry for the noob questions buy i find this rathher unbeleivable.
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Sibylla Aldanar
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Posted - 2010.07.19 22:02:00 -
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I believe this was already mentioned already, however I would like to restate this and emphasize this very important point. While the Prosper Vault station in 3-CE1R is likely not an important station in of itself (from a Jovian perspective), the point of primary concern here is the location of the station, 3-CE1R. As most of you may know (or not know), 3-CE1R is the capital of the Jove Empire. How the Sansha managed to capture a station in the capital system of the Jove Empire is not clear, although there were reports mentioned some time ago that a battle took place in that system a few days before capsuleer Mouse Nell discovered the Sansha fleet in front of Prosper Vault. I fear that the Nation might be receiving help from some unknown faction, be it a group of traitorous Jovians or a hidden Order that is more powerful than the Jove.
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Uzbard
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.20 00:47:00 -
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Could it be that these two groups are working together or at least that the Sansha has something that the Jove desperately need? Could the Jove's very survival as a race depend on what support the Sansha can provide? "Life's purpose is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy smoke...what a ride!" |
West McDonald
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Posted - 2010.07.20 13:35:00 -
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....Every time I read into this game I find that it is SO much deeper than I thought. It's posts like this that make me (a lowly 3-5 month old subscriber) feel EXTREMELY insignificant. There appears to be forces at work here that I know NOTHING about....and here I was thinking that we just got war dec'd by a corp with no more than 7 people in it was a big deal....good lord. 0.0
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Forsaken Legions Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2010.07.21 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 21/07/2010 09:34:57 The comments about the Jovians not being all that I think are misleading, as previously experienced in Z-H2MA, of course if the Sansha's have managed to somehow insinuate themselves into the Jove military and slave key commanders.. it might already be too late.
We need a diplomatic mission out there right NOW to find out what the hell is going on and see if the Jove actually need our help ~~~~
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a newbie
Caldari Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie
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Posted - 2010.07.24 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: a newbie on 24/07/2010 16:43:31 I have arrived late into this discussion, but it appears that each detachment is made up of the following:
Each Division (Per Titan) 1x Titan 2x Wyvern 4x Moros 9x Chimera 180x Nightmare 360x Phantasm 900x Succubus
Under the assumption that 3 Titans were all that were present, that would present figures in the range below: 3x Titan 6x Wyvern 12x Moros 27x Chimera 540x Nightmare 1080x Phantasm 2700x Succubus
Now this leaves the structure in the background. Its size is indicative of a titan or mobile command platform. That's one bothersome fleet there. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Sibylla Aldanar
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Posted - 2010.07.24 20:55:00 -
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That's a Jovian station,apparently captured by Kuvakei. It is called the Prosper Vault, (formerly) owned by the Jovian finanial corporation, Prosper.
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Ghaylenty
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Axemaster
Originally by: Veron Daerth Firstly, to address the issue of a titan impacting a planetary surface. Collision between objects in a spatial environment DO NOT calculate the same, since explosions,concussion, and energy propagate differently in space than an atmosphere. I dont have the equations directly handy, but a 10,000 meter diameter iron asteroid traveling at 60m/s (max speed for a stock Avatar) with an overall desity of 8.0grams/cm3 (basic iron asteroid) impacting a temperate world with a standard oxy-nitro atmosphere at an impact angle of 90degrees will release 1,790 megatons of explosive force and will create a crater just shy of 16.5 km across and just over 1 km deep at its epicenter. An Avatar, for comparison, is 13km in length along its long axis, and masses in at 2,278,125 metric tons. You can safely assume its density is much greater than a standard asteroid.
60m/s is very very slow, so I find it extremely hard to believe that you would get any crater at all. More like a big rock pile. I mean, 60m/s is what you get if you drop it from a few stories up. Your analysis is ludicrous.
60m/s is QUITE fast for something that large. A planetary collision event with something larger than a mid-sized iron asteroid WILL result in a catastrophic explosion that would be the release of many thousands of megatons of force, resulting in the extinction of most species on a planet. i actually fly amarr |
Wrecker Red
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:49:00 -
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Pitiful fools, bow before the might that Kuvakei has assembled in the name of Lord Sansha's dream. When our fleet is launched, no Empire shall be left unscathed as the Nation expands it's reaches to the four corners of of New Eden!
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Midori Amiiko
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.29 00:14:00 -
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I question the ability of the Sansha to control wormholes. Where did this information come from? A Sansha meat puppet perhaps? Where's the proof? Anyone who's lived in W-space knows that a wormhole's natural characteristics can be exploited without resorting to high technology, allowing for limited direction of it's exit.
As for some dreaded Sleeper attack, I welcome it.
I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way John Paul Jones |
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