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DocKevorkian
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Posted - 2010.06.26 00:29:00 -
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With Hulkageddon coming up once again, I'm left wondering why the miners put up with this.
While I think it's fine for Helicity to organize her week of madness and mayhem, what I can't understand is why the industrialists of the game don't organize a counter to it, using the biggest trump card they have: the market. Simply put, they should organize a strike.
Everyone knows where the real power of this game lies. To prove it, don't sell a single thing during the week or two prior to hulkageddon. Not one single unit of trit, not one battleship, not a single mod. Let the gankers pay rediculous prices for their gank ships when the industialists finally start selling again when the strike stops.
In this way, the extra profit from selling the gankers their suicide ships would go a long way to covering any losses.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.06.26 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 26/06/2010 00:32:54
Pretty simple, smart industrialists make a huge profit from this event. Not only the ones selling Hulks...
Your strike idea would be great for them to make even more profit since they dont need to share
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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2010.06.26 01:38:00 -
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who would organise such a movement? im busy with the anti-griefing, sorry :)
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.06.26 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Phoenix who would organise such a movement? im busy with the anti-griefing, sorry :)
lolwat?
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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shizzleprobe
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Posted - 2010.06.26 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: ****zleprobe on 26/06/2010 01:48:46 i think its a great idea its been needing to be done for ages the fact taht industrialists have never thought of this before is odd it only seems natural to fight back and how better then by what industrialists do best in respect to it being organised a website and the grape vine should suffice
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.06.26 01:55:00 -
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As head commissar of Decon Liberation Front[DLF] and the Miners Intergalactic Liberation Front [MILF], we could surely add this noble cause to the aims of my organization. But there are so many high-sec denizens that have been brainwashed by vile bourgeois propaganda.
The aims of the DLF and MILF is to combat imperialistic agendas and incursions where ever it is prevalent. We also liberate and rehabilitate miners from the clutches of those who would exploit the sweat of their brow for meager sums of currency.
Everyday our noble revolutionaries fight the oppression of the ruling class in the name of the Scottish Fold and for honour.
May the guns of revolution never fall silent!!
-Commissar FunzzeR
PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!! |
Kharylien
Gallente Masked Rider Project
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Posted - 2010.06.26 02:25:00 -
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Perhaps the problem is that many industrialists don't fly Hulks, and therefore don't care. Because, as has been mentioned, Hulkageddon can be extremely profitable for industrialists, and miners can't strike effectively - even if there weren't macrominers still feeding the market, which there will be, you're not just going to get that unified an action.
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Ferrus Manuss
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Posted - 2010.06.26 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Phoenix who would organise such a movement? im busy with the anti-griefing, sorry :)
yeah, good luck with that.
To the OP: It's about time the industrailists banded together
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DocKevorkian
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Posted - 2010.06.26 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kharylien miners can't strike effectively - even if there weren't macrominers still feeding the market, which there will be, you're not just going to get that unified an action.
I must respectfully disagree. Markets are fragile things -- it would only take a small percentage of the total pilots striking to have a disproportionate effect on the prices of things, and sector-specific strikes (i.e. miners) will simply have a limited effect on that sector, but those feeding that sector (i.e. miners) would reap the benefits. Regardless of which sectors strike, the end consumer would pay a higher price for the finished goods, which is the goal -- to punish the gankers.
Obviously, the larger the strike, the bigger the jump in prices, but as you can see, it does not require total unification to work.
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shizzleprobe
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Posted - 2010.06.26 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: ****zleprobe on 26/06/2010 02:51:52 miners could strike back by not selling ore, all industrals will benefit more from the strike then any gain they get from hulkageddon as the strike will drive prices up when the strike ends woop you can sell high.... and during the strike ppl can make ass tons of money
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.06.26 03:01:00 -
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There's this thing called supply and demand. Usually comes pre-packaged in a nice little visual display for those of us unable to comprehend simple economics.
TL;DR GTFO of Crime and Punishment with your idiot schemes and go back to S&I.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow.
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shizzleprobe
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Posted - 2010.06.26 03:10:00 -
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If that dude was talking about me i understand all well and good supply and demand. However in the short term in a strike like this it shouldnt matter to much as they still need the ships. If they dont buy the ships the hulkageddon is prevented if they do ppl make more money off of them seems a win win to me. Please if im wrong explain why.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.06.26 03:42:00 -
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Ah, but don't worry, I own a Catalyst BPO
Before you respond with something stupid, that's a reference to HUG II.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow.
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DocKevorkian
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Posted - 2010.06.26 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: captain foivos Before you respond with something stupid, that's a reference to HUG II.
Ah, but before you respond with an epic fail post of two completely incorrect statements in a disrepectful, judgemental tone, perhaps you ought to buy a clue.
First, while you're able to use a big concept of "supply and demand", you apparently fail to understand what happens when supply is constrained, say, by a strike. Here's a free clue: prices go UP.
Second, you seem to be unaware of the "punishment" part of "crime and punishment", that is, the idea of this thread is to "punish" the gank crowd by kicking them in the wallet.
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Corelous Alterrian
Amarr Beyond Evil and Good United Star Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.26 05:31:00 -
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Go ahead shut down production. Some other smart miner will still build his stuff and put it on the market and make a bank of isk. Also don't forget not all miners are in high sec. Ever hear of 0.0 or low sec? Christ who cares about some Macro miner or simple minded wanna be rain man moron who sets at his keyboard for 9 hours shooting roids. So go ahead, Shut it all down.
Yea everyone knows where the real power lies in this game. Not the miners but with ISK and getting it anyway you can.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.06.26 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: DocKevorkian
Originally by: captain foivos Before you respond with something stupid, that's a reference to HUG II.
Ah, but before you respond with an epic fail post of two completely incorrect statements in a disrepectful, judgemental tone, perhaps you ought to buy a clue.
First, while you're able to use a big concept of "supply and demand", you apparently fail to understand what happens when supply is constrained, say, by a strike. Here's a free clue: prices go UP.
Second, you seem to be unaware of the "punishment" part of "crime and punishment", that is, the idea of this thread is to "punish" the gank crowd by kicking them in the wallet.
Damn straight I'm disrespectful and judgmental when dealing with you. You seem to be unaware of the "punishment" part of "crime and punishment." Your crime was stupidity. Your punishment is this.
In the meantime, start licking my pod clean because I actually do own a Catalyst BPO and that was a reference to the Hulkageddon II movie.
So, you can stop selling your ships, which removes your little itty bit of competition from the EVE market, thus allowing everyone else to make a little itty bit more ISK from selling their Catalysts. Good luck with that strike, buddy--let me know how it goes. I'll take bets that it's as much a failure as your posts.
Also, I have a surplus of clues on hand at the moment. I can lend you one, though, it looks like you need it. Just wire me 50M ISK in advance and I'll set you up with a month's supply.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow.
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Adelina Jasna
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Posted - 2010.06.26 05:41:00 -
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Because a true arms dealer is fueling both sides of the war. I am greatly in favour of this strike so that I may make more profit selling Catalysts and mining ships.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.06.26 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: Adelina Jasna Because a true arms dealer is fueling both sides of the war. I am greatly in favour of this strike so that I may make more profit selling Catalysts and mining ships.
This.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow.
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Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.26 06:27:00 -
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We couldnt possibly do that, in order to really do what you are saying you would have to form a non aggresion pact with 50% of eve then order them to do everything you want. Guide to 0.0
Step 1: Get an alliance Step 2: Invade a region Step 3: Get blobbed |
Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.06.26 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: ****zleprobe If they dont buy the ships the hulkageddon is prevented if they do ppl make more money off of them seems a win win to me. Please if im wrong explain why.
Well, three things you should take into consideration:
1) most people participating in Hulkageddon already bought their destroyers and fittings because prices always go up with the event
2) quite many of them also have the BPO sets and mineral stacks ready to build their own ships
3) these greedy smart industrialists that are doing bulk sales to the participants and make a pretty profit
So in short, good luck with a strike, its not gonna stop anything but at least you are helping other people getting rich
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Obyrith
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Posted - 2010.06.26 07:19:00 -
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lrn2capitalism
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t20
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.26 07:52:00 -
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Or learn to fit your friggin hulks!
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Modus Trollens
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Posted - 2010.06.26 07:56:00 -
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Because the guys doing the suicide ganking are industrialists themselves. Any toon that's been active for a few years and does pvp, will in pretty much all cases have a solid set of industrial skills and a bunch of BPOs. Especially in nulsec.
What you're seeing is industralists weeding out the macro miners and leeches who strip mine an entire belt within a mere hour after downtime. It's actually good for the economy, it benefits everyone and is a great source of lulz. |
Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Gith Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.26 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 26/06/2010 09:36:51 people are actually playing the market just by participating in hulkageddon.
Think about it, they're 0.0 industrialists, with billions, they come out and chew up your ships. You buy more ships from them Which increases the material prices which increases their profit even more =P
They're probably making money off your losses =P
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Kacer Xenro
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Posted - 2010.06.26 11:22:00 -
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OP, you suck, why dont you go lurk on the forums before you make a post like that.
1. the miners are nowhere near the only resource of minerals on the market, last i heard was that they only covered 40% of it 2. good luck in uniting all the miners, as if thats gonna happen *pft* 3. ??? 4. profit
besides, personally i dont suicide gank because of the earnings, i do it merely for the fun of it, and im sure im not the only one :)
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AterraX
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.26 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Phoenix who would organise such a movement? im busy with making things worse for myself, sorry :)
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Sir Rush
Caldari Sirrush Holdings And Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.26 15:09:00 -
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ITT: We forget that people are sitting on gigantic mineral stockpiles, so even if miners were to somehow 'strike', stockpiles would start being unloaded onto the market.
Albeit at a slightly higher price.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.26 16:04:00 -
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I have nearly 20 billion in assets, I don't think I'm going to run out of anything in a hurry.
The OP needs to realise just how hopeless this effort is... you won't even get 1% of miners/industrialists signing up and even if you managed to get a significant amount interested, this will just be exploited by the rest who are willing to profit off your stupidity.
Furthermore the notion that all hulkagedddon participants rely purely on the market for ships and modules is so beyond naive I feel sorry for you.
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Lord Abako
Just Us Guys In Space
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Phoenix who would organise such a movement? im busy with being the biggest joke in EVE, sorry :)
Fixed this for ya.
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Lifelongnoob
Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn Blood Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.26 23:39:00 -
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as a guy who mines from time to time (mainly when my pos is screaming for fuel) i fully support hulkageddon............ 1. it makes noobs not afk mine 2. it kills off lots of macros 3. it boosts ice and ore prices 4. it boost barge & exumer & strip miner prices 5. it ensures the tears of fail miners nourishes me!!!
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