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Vechtor
Intaki Chartered Company
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Posted - 2010.06.28 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Saxon Hawke
Vechtor,
For someone who couldn't be bothered to remain in the ILF, you certainly do seem to be rather concerned with its operation. For old times sake, though, I'll humor you.
Of course I do Mr. Hawke. I live in the same place you do. Your home is also my home and vice-versa. I can't turn my eyes blind on everything ILF do with regard to piracy and to be honest, you should continue doing so with everyone who lives there as well. Either you are an anti-piracy organization or you are not. There is no mid-logic on this issue.
Originally by: Saxon Hawke
As for the matter of the ILF "supporting" VETO, I think the choice of wording was poor, but the reasoning is sound.
In my understanding, you are not supporting VETO., as the fight against Nation is not a VETO. fight. In my view, VETO. as a marginal band of pirates who do business on ransoming inocent people decided to support the rest of the universe fight against Nation now because their dirigent(s) have become more directly involved with it.
Originally by: Saxon Hawke
Outside of Sansha encounters, we have no truce agreement with VETO and would expect their pilots to act in accordance with their widely-known rules of engagement (i.e. piracy for profit/ransom/etc.) ILF pilots will continue to operate under our current ROE.
Fair enough.
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Rainsdon
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 01:03:00 -
[62]
We are no turn coats to the side that offers us more power, we know who we are and we know where we stand.
Regardless of what many people sees us as - we are loyal, we are honourable.
In the current time we are living in; Loyalty isn't sold... nor is it bought and neither is it threatened.
Kuvakei can only buy loyalty with fear, he cannot earn it. Just shows you what type of person he and his Nation truly are.
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Kimochi Rendar
Veto.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 09:05:00 -
[63]
You don't even need me to tell you this Ethan, but I am beind you 100%.
If Kuvakei decides he wants to bring the fight to us as 'punishment' for all this, then I will fight him tooth and claw every step of the way - as I'm sure will every other pilot who wears the Veto badge.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.29 09:14:00 -
[64]
So 'Veto.' wishes to announce it's hostile intentions but is waiting to unleash it's force on Kuvakei until he attacks first, or "brings the fight to us"?
Have you been watching the news for the last two months? ------------------------------------------------
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Nauticaa
Gallente The Rising Phoenix
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Posted - 2010.06.29 11:37:00 -
[65]
If VETO comes under Attack becuase of this you have my sword Mr Verone. I suspect your intel sorces can tell you what it is.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:18:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Eran Mintor So 'Veto.' wishes to announce it's hostile intentions but is waiting to unleash it's force on Kuvakei until he attacks first, or "brings the fight to us"?
Have you been watching the news for the last two months?
Your bitterness is always amusing, blood traitor.
I'm sure that when that thick skull of yours allows you to grow a brain, you'll be able to answer you own stupid questions.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:54:00 -
[67]
Once a pirate, always a pirate. All that Verone wants is some good shansha loot.
So he is provoking Nation so Veto gets the fight and the loot.
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Demetri Slavic
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:11:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Once a pirate, always a pirate. All that Verone wants is some good shansha loot.
So he is provoking Nation so Veto gets the fight and the loot.
If all we wanted was loot, why not just let the sale of the Virus go ahead? We would make far more in that transaction than down this path.
Then again, why would you believe in the good intentions of a pirate, right?
Spits off screen in disgust as the feed cuts out
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Shalee Lianne
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:36:00 -
[69]
You pirates are amusing. You take offense from people calling you what you are. Don't think we forget for one moment that you make your livelihood on the misery of others. You plunder, you steal, and you ransom. There is nothing 'honorable' about that.
Your 'good intentions' probably boils down to the fact that you don't want people to die so you can continue to steal from them.
Just saying.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:07:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Shalee Lianne You pirates are amusing. You take offense from people calling you what you are. Don't think we forget for one moment that you make your livelihood on the misery of others. You plunder, you steal, and you ransom. There is nothing 'honorable' about that.
Your 'good intentions' probably boils down to the fact that you don't want people to die so you can continue to steal from them.
Just saying.
Run along back to your blood traitor lover, little girl.
The adults are talking now.
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Shalee Lianne
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:20:00 -
[71]
I should have pulled the trigger.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:22:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Shalee Lianne I should have pulled the trigger.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
I knew you were too weak.
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Shalee Lianne
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:37:00 -
[73]
Don't mistake being practical for weakness, 'sweetie'.
But you're right about one thing, hindsight is 20/20. If you ever step outside that little den of villainy without your guards, do let me know.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:38:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Shalee Lianne Don't mistake being practical for weakness, 'sweetie'.
But you're right about one thing, hindsight is 20/20. If you ever step outside that little den of villainy without your guards, do let me know.
I'll be sure to, darling.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:50:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Eran Mintor So 'Veto.' wishes to announce it's hostile intentions but is waiting to unleash it's force on Kuvakei until he attacks first, or "brings the fight to us"?
Have you been watching the news for the last two months?
Your bitterness is always amusing, blood traitor.
I'm sure that when that thick skull of yours allows you to grow a brain, you'll be able to answer you own stupid questions.
It's not bitterness, I just like pointing out fallacies when I see them. ------------------------------------------------
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Shalee Lianne
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:51:00 -
[76]
What, can't commit to a date? Name it, Ethan, and I'll be there. You bring the flowers, I'll bring the gun.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 18:00:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Eran Mintor
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Eran Mintor So 'Veto.' wishes to announce it's hostile intentions but is waiting to unleash it's force on Kuvakei until he attacks first, or "brings the fight to us"?
Have you been watching the news for the last two months?
Your bitterness is always amusing, blood traitor.
I'm sure that when that thick skull of yours allows you to grow a brain, you'll be able to answer you own stupid questions.
It's not bitterness, I just like pointing out fallacies when I see them.
Keep telling yourself that, I hear that the feeling dulls over time.
Originally by: Shalee Lianne What, can't commit to a date? Name it, Ethan, and I'll be there. You bring the flowers, I'll bring the gun.
Ah, so flattering sweetheart. Don't be too angry with yourself, you'll get over this little crush you have in time.
Regardless, I'm not interested in the incoherent drivel of a blood traitor, and the adolescent wailing of his probable owner.
I'm done with the pair of you, as amusing as watching you both bark is. Fly safe, kids.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.29 18:03:00 -
[78]
Don't trip on your ego on the way out... ------------------------------------------------
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.06.30 00:41:00 -
[79]
I think the only thing he's going to have to worry about tripping over is all the bull****. ----- *results may vary*
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.30 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Gorion Wassenar I think the only thing he's going to have to worry about tripping over is all the bull****.
TouchT, old friend.
Good to see you're well.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.06.30 11:37:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 30/06/2010 11:41:45
Originally by: Demetri Slavic
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Once a pirate, always a pirate. All that Verone wants is some good shansha loot.
So he is provoking Nation so Veto gets the fight and the loot.
If all we wanted was loot, why not just let the sale of the Virus go ahead? We would make far more in that transaction than down this path.
Then again, why would you believe in the good intentions of a pirate, right?
Spits off screen in disgust as the feed cuts out
I am an analytical mind, Demetri.
I rather come to conclusions after an analysis than foster believes.
It is surprising to me that my analysis angered you, as I do not see an insult in anything I said.
Just as the Jove, I like to study conflict.
So even though I am surprised by your reaction to my analysis, I am fascinated by your raging anger.
Again, this is not meant as an insult either. Anger and emotions, while potentially clouding judgement, can also be useful in battle, if channeled correctly.
Concerning the potential Sansha vs whomever war... Personally I have not picked a side yet.
No matter what, the developments of late are fascinating. I do appreciate them.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 30/06/2010 11:41:45
Originally by: Demetri Slavic
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Once a pirate, always a pirate. All that Verone wants is some good shansha loot.
So he is provoking Nation so Veto gets the fight and the loot.
If all we wanted was loot, why not just let the sale of the Virus go ahead? We would make far more in that transaction than down this path.
Then again, why would you believe in the good intentions of a pirate, right?
Spits off screen in disgust as the feed cuts out
I am an analytical mind, Demetri.
You're a clueless idiot, that's what you are.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:05:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 04/07/2010 22:08:08
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium I am an analytical mind, Demetri.
Are you really, pilot? Very well. Let's look at this analytically.
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Once a pirate, always a pirate.
This statement is based on empirical evidence, then? There's no means for, oh, say, becoming a hired killer for the empires (again)? Or a mercenary? Or an ideologically-driven terrorist?
We might argue over whether any of those is a step up, exactly, Mr. Palladium, but there seems to be very little question that they are steps.
Pirates take them pretty routinely.
Quote: All that Verone wants is some good shansha loot. So he is provoking Nation so Veto gets the fight and the loot.
Pretty sure Kuvakei has more pressing needs than taking revenge on a circle of diehard combat pilots. Pretty sure that even if he doesn't, there are better ways of approaching it than engaging Veto head-on. Pretty sure Verone knows that, too.
Chances of Kuvakei turning up outside Veto's home station and challenging Ethan and company to a battle? Pretty near zero.
There's not much hope of loot, here, pilot. There's just a lot of future risk-- which Ethan likely considers his preparations adequate to handle, but that doesn't mean the risk isn't there.
Quote: I rather come to conclusions after an analysis than foster believes.
That being the case, please feel free to explain your comments above in terms of the analysis used.
Quote: It is surprising to me that my analysis angered you ...
It truly shouldn't be.
Quote: ... as I do not see an insult in anything I said.
Which may be your most bizarre statement to date. You've seemingly portrayed pirates, as a class, as not only greedy and immoral, which is a typical assessment, but also brainless, which is ... sort of an idiot's analysis, if you'll forgive my saying so.
Quote: Just as the Jove, I like to study conflict.
Can you point me to a particular reason to think that the Jove especially like studying conflict, pilot?
Any more than the next civilization, that is?
Quote: I am fascinated by your raging anger.
Capsuleers are notoriously touchy, pilot, and it seems as though pirates are, if anything, less touchy than most (if only because we get more insults than most). There seems relatively little reason either for surprise or fascination when you've spoken in such provoking terms.
Quote: Again, this is not meant as an insult either.
... Okay ...
Quote: Anger and emotions, while potentially clouding judgement, can also be useful in battle, if channeled correctly.
Let me get this straight. You're telling Mr. Slavic, "You're (by implication, irrationally) emotional, but that's not so bad (pat, pat); I'm sure it helps you kill people?"
So, I'm trying to work out-- how is this not exceedingly patronizing, hence offensive? If you did not mean this as an insult, you've nevertheless managed to deliver very much as though you did.
Quote: Concerning the potential Sansha vs whomever war... Personally I have not picked a side yet.
Let's see-- do you intend to retain your individual autonomy? Do you mean to continue being a capsuleer, an "heir to a mistake," as the Nation puts it? If the answer is "yes"....
Quote: No matter what, the developments of late are fascinating.
I do appreciate them.
Yes, they are, aren't they. Can you point out to me the intellectual and analytical rigor in neutrality under circumstances that threaten your ability to exercise intellectual and analytical rigor?
Of course, I'm terribly partisan in this matter. The Nation and I have been at odds since it stripped a friend of mine, one of "our" fellow scholars, of his free will. So maybe I'm not looking at this from the proper analytical angle, but ...
... claiming aloof neutrality in a conflict that eventually will include you if it proceeds doesn't seem very ... clever, to me.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.05 11:36:00 -
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Veto are still our enemy, but you have earned some more respect.
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:41:00 -
[85]
How come every other thread these days becomes a a feast of insults and mud slinging?
Sansha is knocking at the door. If I can stop shooting reclaiming crusaders to shoot at them, you can stop calling each others names.
If you don't have something constructive to say, cram it.
Yes Eran, you too.
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Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
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Sonkut
Minmatar The Motley Few
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sonkut on 05/07/2010 15:55:17 Edited by: Sonkut on 05/07/2010 15:52:04 Good afternoon, I am but a humble spectator in most things, however I tend to notice things others do not, in this case IĘm sticking my nose in to point out some things that may be of mutual interest. The question is always where to start.
So Kuvakei has offered you the Kyonoke Virus? I will point out the options and their respective effects. First, you accept his offer and take the virus, this means you would then be able to a) sell it for profit b) use it or c) destroy it in the heat of the power core of your largest ship, after making this choice you could then either stay true (and possibly spy on Kuvakei for the other nations) or turn on Kuvakei(shoot him in the back?) and join everyone else (you are a pirate after all).
Your second option would be to eventually turn him down and risk being the first target of the Virus, congratulations; we may yet be celebrating Veto as a martyr corporation.
What else does this mean? Today we found that Kuvakei has a Jove station and a fleet of at least 3 titans and a wagon load of other ships all guarding this station. This fleet is not significant; there are several Corporations in eve able to wipe it out alone without the 4 great nations getting involved. However itĘs also now obvious he is recruiting large corporations capable of fielding large fleets to the cause.
We also know that there was a battle at said Jove station and that Nation won, This may have been the first test of the Virus, and the battle was the struggle of the last surviving Jove on the station. If this is the case Kuvakei may have a cure for the Virus so that he could loot the station for technology without trouble.
Anyhow, just food for thought, I would love to jump in my Machariel and come along for the final battle but I feel I have more pressing matters to attend to. DonĘt forget to record their downfall so we can all watch KuvakeiĘs demiseą. I mean secondą. Never mind. P.S. is that fleet really everything he has or do you think itĘs a reasonable defence force for an asset of that nature? P.S.S or maybe the virus was just a bluff and thats why the initial negotiations failed, and maybe this was a ruse to make us think he has the virus when really it poses as much threat to him as to everyone else.
*skulks back into the shadows*
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Corin Nebulon
eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.05 16:40:00 -
[87]
So Verone confirms that to some extend the "worst case scenario" actually isn't only possibility but a fact. Many people seem to have only little understanding, and Verone himself the least, of the consequences of his revelation. Fact is, as long as there was a possibility for Kuvakei having access to the virus, we would have considered that in our further planing. However we had no idea that the Rabbit might have been involved in this.
So who is Mr. Verone actually damaging and whom is he helping? Kuvakei wanted to hire Veto. Veto's indirect pay would have been the delivery of the Virus to the Rabbit. So Verone denies the deal and releases this bit of information. However who was back stabbed ?
Kuvakei? Maybe, he will have to find other pilots working for him. I guess there are enough people out there that would do that for isk.
The Rabbit? If he was interested in the deal, then Verone just busted it. And with that a maybe never returning chance for profit for the Guristas. Ransoming 4 Empires and countless factions, and afterwards maybe selling all samples of the virus to people who could deal with it. A dangerous yet extremly profitable venture.
Maybe all this was just to much of a hazzle for Verone and he just to lazy do play along? Or the bitter loss of his sister caused him to make this rather unintelligent decisions. In fact this could be seen as an huge advertisement for Kuvakei's plans, a busted business deal for the Rabbit and a lot more insecurity for the empires. Because Sansha doesn't seem to have big plans for the virus, why otherwise would he give it away? Now his mind might change and with that casualties will rise ... drastically.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.05 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sonkut Kuvakei has a Jove station and a fleet of at least 3 titans and a wagon load of other ships all guarding this station. This fleet is not significant; there are several Corporations in eve able to wipe it out alone without the 4 great nations getting involved.
A fleet that size wouldn't be a worry by itself, but with access to advanced technology such as the ability to create artificial wormholes it is a massive threat. A hit-and-fade force of incomparable size and mobility.
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Max Dercad
Minmatar Mercury Mercenaries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.05 20:42:00 -
[89]
You seem to be missing one distinct possibility. As with the video feed from the Nation's wormhole - the so-called 'master' Kuvakei stated, that we see only, what he wants us to see. One has to wonder now, why the Kyonoke deal has been offered to mr. Verone - who, as Istvaan Shogaatsu so wisely observed - is known to have 'morals'.
Personally I am inclined to believe, that what we are seeing now is another PR play by Kuvakei, who used Veto to inform us all about his ability to unleash Kyonoke plaque upon the cluster.
One also can't fail to notice, that we didn't see any proof of Kuvaeki's claims - neither these concerning his oh-so-powerful fleet, hidden cleverly behind the drone's field of view, nor his possession of Kyonoke virus. All we really got is a low-quality video feed, one disclosed text message and ton of Kuvakei's cryptic rambling. And speaking of rambling, I am truly amazed how he managed to rally several people behind his 'cause' with it. Some capsuleers must be terribly bored nowadays...
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Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.07.05 21:27:00 -
[90]
Two things,
1- We believe whatever their motives, VETO is sincere in their desire to fight the Nation. That's good enough for us.
2- Originally by: Neu Bastian How come every other thread these days becomes a a feast of insults and mud slinging?
Sansha is knocking at the door. If I can stop shooting reclaiming crusaders to shoot at them, you can stop calling each others names.
If you don't have something constructive to say, cram it.
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