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Kybernetes Moros
Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.28 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kybernetes Moros on 28/06/2010 21:22:20 With the revelation of information relating to the Nation such as their apparent presence in Directorate space or their possession of the Kyonoke protein, much attention has been turned to them. However, it must not be forgotten that, at least for the time being, the success of their attacks is largely contingent upon the creation and maintenance of wormholes. Of course we must also analyse recent findings and work with them, but the fact remains that if the Nation's wormholes could be decisively countered their movements in empire space would be, for the moment, significantly hindered.
Of course, gravimetric ECM is effective to a certain degree, as has been shown by activities such as Operation Bad Moon. However, ECM attacks can only go so far and are susceptible to ECCM counterattacks. As such, I have revived some work of mine from some time ago with a number of alterations that it might provide a much more reliable counter to the Nation's wormholes -- Project Bellerophon, named for the testbed ship.
Put simply, Project Bellerophon takes the basic idea of using gravimetric ECM against the wormholes and amplifies it with the utilisation of large quantities of graviton pulse generators. Regrettably, due to computing, power and size requirements, the equipment necessary can only be fitted to battleship-class vessels or larger.
The ideal battleship for Project Bellerophon is the Scorpion, owing to the extended capacity for ECM built into its hull as standard, but hypothetically any battleship or larger would be suitable, though admittedly to varying degrees. In quantities varying with accordance to the available carrying capacity of the ship and indeed what ship is being used, the components required are as follows: - Graviton pulse generators - Sensor clusters covering all four spectra -- these allow for computer systems to modulate the output of the pulse generators to maximise efficiency in forcing a wormhole collapse - Quantum microprocessors -- the core component of the aforementioned computer systems - Antimatter reactors and oscillator capacitor units -- these provide supplementary power to the apparatus such that the vast majority of the ship's powergrid can be reserved for normal usage
I thus propose that capsuleers working to combat the Nation's incursions flying battleships fit such equipment. I would be perfectly happy to provide the quantities of components required given the class of the ship and additional cargo requirements, and, for that matter, technical information such that it may be rapidly and efficiently incorporated by typical in-station maintenance and fitting drones. Regrettably, I am by no means able to fund the purchase of components; I paid for those used on the Bellerophon, but I could not afford to do so for every battleship that may participate in the project.
As an example, the following were mounted on the Bellerophon, a Scorpion class with a base cargo capacity of 550 m^3, leaving 120 m^3 for spare ammunition and the like: - 390 graviton pulse generators - 5 sensor clusters for each spectrum (radar, ladar, gravimetric and magnetometric) - 5 antimatter reactors - 5 oscillator capacitor units - 10 quantum microprocessors
I am in no way suggesting that we lose sight of recent developments, or attempting to belittle their significance -- but we must also remember to counter what incursions there may be as best we can.
Doctor Kybernetes Moros γλωσσαι πασσαι εμοι Ελληνικη εισιν |
Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.06.28 23:14:00 -
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So what you're suggesting is that we take on one of the most dangerous weaponised manifestations of macroscopic quantum phenomena in recorded history with a jury-rigged hodgepodge of electronics hardware?
... I like it.
I like it a lot. -----
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2010.06.29 07:32:00 -
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The idea is brilliant but do you think those ten quantum computers have sufficient cpu power to calculate the flux field compensation that is needed to break into the string structure of that wormhole? Even a t2 cruiser needs thousand of them to function properly. I don't know how much power you have on that setup left, but the heavy calculations you have to do there should need a bit more muscles from your computers.
What about a wetware mainframe? But maybe that's a bit over the top, but a ray of recursive computing modules should be fine for this limited kind of task, while you have to think about a sufficient power source for those, of cause. But, silly me, of cause you already have tested it successful on a usual wormhole, yes?
So forget about my stupid idea. Go on. Good job. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Sylorin
Caldari MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2010.06.29 08:08:00 -
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This shows a lot of promise.
We'll begin construction of one immediately and start running some tests.
Do you believe the increased output would effectively counter ECCM modules?
Ms. Wildfire makes a good point. What would happen if this was used on or near what laymen refer to as a ônaturally occurringö wormhole?
Doctor Jhary Sylorin MMZ Labs, LLC.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.29 09:35:00 -
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I've considered the possibility of using a warp disruption field generator on the wormholes with targeted scripts. While I do not have one available for testing, I was wondering what physic theorists and other scientists think would result from this?
As little I know, warp disruption field generators use graviton particles to de-stabilize warp cores of star-ships. If the wormholes are being created by another object and are not "natural", would it be possible to prevent the passing of ships through a wormhole by using these warp disruption fields on them?
And is there anyone able and willing to try? ------------------------------------------------
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Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar Shadow Kitty Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.29 12:23:00 -
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Is it really a wise idea to go spreading this around on a public forum?
All it does is give Nation time to adapt before you even get to put it into practice.
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Grideris
Gallente Fleet Coordination Commission
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Posted - 2010.06.29 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor I've considered the possibility of using a warp disruption field generator on the wormholes with targeted scripts. While I do not have one available for testing, I was wondering what physic theorists and other scientists think would result from this?
As little I know, warp disruption field generators use graviton particles to de-stabilize warp cores of star-ships. If the wormholes are being created by another object and are not "natural", would it be possible to prevent the passing of ships through a wormhole by using these warp disruption fields on them?
And is there anyone able and willing to try?
This has previously been used by members of Operation Bad Moon. While I believe there was some success with this tactic, I would contact them to find out the actual results.
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Kybernetes Moros
Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alica Wildfire Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 29/06/2010 07:44:48 The idea is brilliant but do you think those ten quantum computers have sufficient cpu power to calculate the flux field compensation that is needed to break into the string structure of that wormhole? Even a t2 cruiser needs thousand of them to function properly. I don't know how much power you have on that setup left, but the heavy calculations you have to do there should need a bit more muscles from your computers.
The calculations are extremely efficient. It is important to remember that the calculations need not be overly intricate and the wormhole perfectly simulated; enough to force the wormholes to collapse. A wetware mainframe or a number of recursive computing modules would perhaps be an improvement, but compared to the vast increase in both power consumption and volume, I can confidently say that the benefits are far outweighed by the new hindrances introduced. The absolute ideal platform given unlimited time and funds for this project would be a freighter on account of the tremendous space available, but these ships also have to have some degree of survivability. As such, the quantum microprocessors are perfectly sufficient for the job.
Originally by: Alica Wildfire Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 29/06/2010 07:44:48 ...possibly a broadcast node should be needed to wield the power of the signal with the ship systems.
As above, the slight benefit would not be enough to warrant the significant increase to power consumption and volume given that battleships are being employed.
Originally by: Alica Wildfire Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 29/06/2010 07:44:48 But, silly me, of cause you already have tested it successful on a usual wormhole, yes?
After a fashion, and certainly enough to be confident in this project's success.
Originally by: Sylorin
Do you believe the increased output would effectively counter ECCM modules?
I do indeed. The output from the Bellerophon alone would very significantly augment current ECM efforts and, of course, multiple ships would continue to add to the effect. There is nothing, in theory, to prevent more powerful ECCM or another means of stabilising the wormholes from being deployed, however.
Originally by: Sujanra Acoma Is it really a wise idea to go spreading this around on a public forum?
All it does is give Nation time to adapt before you even get to put it into practice.
That is not all a public statement on the IGS does. It is overwhelmingly probable that the Nation will indeed attempt to adapt before it is first put into practice, but the question has to be asked as to whether such adaptation would prove effective. Likewise, in making the project public knowledge, I not only increase the resources available to the project as a whole, i.e. in allowing others to make similar alterations to their own ships, but also give them the chance to improve upon the device further. On that note, I would like to make one additional request: that, should anyone choose to try to modify the equipment, they tell me in advance. It would not only be interesting to see what others come up with, but I could offer assistance in the design and implementation of said modifications.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 19:47:00 -
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As we all know, it's always wise to publicly release explicit details of a system you're developing to counter an enemy technology, right under their noses, where they can read about it, and adapt their own technology to serve as a counter-counter.
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Kybernetes Moros
Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.29 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
As we all know, it's always wise to publicly release explicit details of a system you're developing to counter an enemy technology, right under their noses, where they can read about it, and adapt their own technology to serve as a counter-counter.
This is explicit detail, Mr. Verone? γλωσσαι πασσαι εμοι Ελληνικη εισιν |
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kybernetes Moros
Originally by: Verone
As we all know, it's always wise to publicly release explicit details of a system you're developing to counter an enemy technology, right under their noses, where they can read about it, and adapt their own technology to serve as a counter-counter.
This is explicit detail, Mr. Verone?
Trust me, with Kuvakei's grasp on technology and the innovative use of hardware he's shown so far, any detail is explicit.
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Kybernetes Moros
Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Trust me, with Kuvakei's grasp on technology and the innovative use of hardware he's shown so far, any detail is explicit.
That seems a reasonable assertion.
...forgive me. This makes me sound rather arrogant, I believe; that is not my intention at all. I do not find it particularly easy to express myself with a purely text-based means of communication. γλωσσαι πασσαι εμοι Ελληνικη εισιν |
Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:39:00 -
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While I support the initiative being taken here, Mr. Verone is correct.
Operational Security is paramount at this stage.
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Kybernetes Moros
Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:49:00 -
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Operational security is, indeed, of utmost importance. Consequently, I revealed minimal information with regards to the project. As Mr. Verone quite correctly said, with Mr. Kuvakei any details could be regarded as extremely telling -- but there is a limit to what can be extrapolated accurately.
Once again, the apparent arrogance. Once again, my apologies. γλωσσαι πασσαι εμοι Ελληνικη εισιν |
Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:52:00 -
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No need to apologise, no offence at all taken.
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Brakash
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:49:00 -
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Has anyone tried to...just shoot...at the wormhole?
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Kybernetes Moros
Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.07.01 20:39:00 -
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I do not know if firing upon the wormholes has been attempted, no. It would be difficult to say how effective it would be in a general sense, as well; how much such action would help, if it all, would be almost entirely dependent upon the type of weaponry used. Hypothetically, I would say that primarily kinetic ammunition would prove most useful against the wormholes -- but the question has to be asked as to whether I am correct, and then as to whether the effect would be great enough to warrant not using the ammunition on the Nation vessels instead. γλωσσαι πασσαι εμοι Ελληνικη εισιν |
Math'ra Hiede
Amarr Aureus Mashtori Auxilia
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Posted - 2010.07.02 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Brakash Has anyone tried to...just shoot...at the wormhole?
And you really think that is effective? What is the Capsuleer age coming to I ask.
To answer your question, the answer is yes and the result was nothing happened... what do you expect, it is an artificially created wormhole controlled remotely by whatever device the Nation has in place, which so far as we can understand is on the OTHER side of the wormhole. So, net result is you waste ammunition and do nothing to affect the stability of the hole itself.
I am not a sciencey-type but I can at least understand the principles enough to realise something that basic can be ruled out almost instantly.
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James Vayne
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Posted - 2010.07.02 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Brakash Has anyone tried to...just shoot...at the wormhole?
I don't know how in all of New Eden your education system decided you were suitable for Capsuleer Status when they were reviewing your Natural Skill Distribution
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