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Doddy
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 04:58:40
Quote: It wasn't the T3 that really killed you. That pilot could have flown a T2 cruiser and you'd be just as dead. You probably would have died if he flew a T1 cruiser too.
i wish you weren't this ignorant, but sadly I have to live in a world with people like you.
He went through 5500 HP, modified to 12k effective HP via resists, in three volleys from his ship with T2 drones as well, so basically you're an idiot.
4000 dps? nice! Anyway with 12k ehp he would probably have killed you in a plate rupture or a thorax too. If he was really good he would have killed you in a rifter. In a way t3 just put you out of your misery faster.
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Dimdi
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:05:00 -
[122]
op is an idiot ^^
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Illumin Ice
Intergalactic Star Force
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:25:00 -
[123]
6/10 at trolling
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Aurelius Valentius
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:27:00 -
[124]
This is invalid.
T3 is not overpowered, nor are they that expensive.
T2 ships are often better than T3 in the roles they have, and generally can stomp on a T3.
Please state your calculations and your math used to come up with these outragious statements of 5x and 25x and such - this sounds like so much ranting - back it up with actual calculations and data.
The MAIN reason T2 and T3 are better than T1 is that the pilots SKILLS are more developed, and with the bonuses of the ship = a MUCH improved overall performance. IF you are a new player, and you just got into the game, no your not going to be able to do much against these ships at all, even a moderately skilled player will not succeed in a battle unless they are very lucky, blob the other ship or some other oddity.
However, a very skilled pilot in a T1 can and sometimes does stomp on T2/T3 ships of moderately skilled players and often times with new players just jumping into a T2.
SKILLS, bonuses and tactics in that order ARE why T2/T3 ARE better.
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Borisaurus
Venant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:34:00 -
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This guy is an excellent troll. -------------- Interested in a 750+ word story, character bio, war report, or homework assignment? - Click here! |
Shiho Weitong
Caldari Punken Dredophiles
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:40:00 -
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My bet.
A STD launcher kestrel with a long point would have owned the OP.
Originally by: Borisaurus This guy is an excellent troll.
True, though he's not really being innovative. ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare.
I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it.
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you. |
Tae'Lin Hynd
Golden Horse Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:43:00 -
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With the skills it takes me to get into a t2 and a t3 cruiser, i'd still smoke your stupid ass if we both were in t1 cruisers...
You are jealous is all it is that you can't afford your own t3 or even t2 ships i would imagine. Fail |
Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:06:00 -
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Op. Do humanity a favor and find something worth posting please. This drizzel you have brought up is most assuredly not a major concern.
Quote: As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
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Muddy Miner
Gallente Tiny Fleet
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child
Actually, when its an F22 vs. and F15, I wouldn't give the F15 3 seconds (after flight time, that is).
I see where your going with that, but you might want to pick a plane that has seen actual air to air combat. AFAIK the F-22 has not, where as the F-15 has a massively lopsided kill ratio that I suspect the F-22 may never see. My money is on the F-15 as it's proven, where as the F-22 is, shall we say the worst of the X planes but the cheapest so it won. *mourns the death of the YF-23*
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Ghaylenty
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:50:00 -
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im pretty sure a 600+ dps 35k EHP deimos would give a proteus a close run for his money, NO MATTER how the proteus is fitted. super tank? well the deimos is gonna catch up eventually. lots of dps? hope its more than him. lots of speed? lol.
if you're trying to compare a thorax or vexor to a ship that is 100 (heres text: ONE HUNDRED) times more expensive then you should be willing to accept that certain aspects of the more expensive ship will have an insurmountable advantage over the basic version of the ship. aaaaaand queue the catch phrase
'strategic cruiser' not 'solopwnmobile'
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:54:00 -
[131]
They ruined their game by letting people post on the forums.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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nafiy gnaw
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:16:00 -
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Serious point 1:
a good T3 does combine the DPS and tank of BC with the speed of a Cruiser plus it can do loads of other funny stuff such as being immune to the bubble, so yes, it is a very powerful ship, which is why a fully fit T3 is worth as much as 10 fully-fit Battleships and is worth almost as much as a fully-fit Dreadnaught.
Serious point 2:
You can kill a T3 cruiser with 2 appropriate T2 or 4 appropriate T1 cruisery. A fully-fit and rigged T3 is worth 5 times as much as a fully-fit rigged T2 or 50 times as much as a fully fit and rigged T1.That looks pretty balanced to me.
Serious point 3: WTF? 12k EHP on a maller? Even a T1 industrial can get more than that without rigs, seriously. If you somehow managed to have less than 25k EHP on a maller, you seriously need to download EFT.
Serious point 4: Learn to use intelligence (which refers to both intelligence information, and the intellect of your brain, which you quite frankly lacks both) to pick fights that you have a chance to win. And know when and how to GTFO when things go bad (obviously, both in game and forum).
Not so serious point: OP, you are a troll. If you really hate this game, stop playing it, EvE will become a better game without trolls such as you,
signed
nafiy
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Amanda Mor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: nafiy gnaw Serious point 1:
a good T3 does combine the DPS and tank of BC with the speed of a Cruiser plus it can do loads of other funny stuff such as being immune to the bubble, so yes, it is a very powerful ship, which is why a fully fit T3 is worth as much as 10 fully-fit Battleships and is worth almost as much as a fully-fit Dreadnaught.
Serious point 2:
You can kill a T3 cruiser with 2 appropriate T2 or 4 appropriate T1 cruisery. A fully-fit and rigged T3 is worth 5 times as much as a fully-fit rigged T2 or 50 times as much as a fully fit and rigged T1.That looks pretty balanced to me.
Serious point 3: WTF? 12k EHP on a maller? Even a T1 industrial can get more than that without rigs, seriously. If you somehow managed to have less than 25k EHP on a maller, you seriously need to download EFT.
Serious point 4: Learn to use intelligence (which refers to both intelligence information, and the intellect of your brain, which you quite frankly lacks both) to pick fights that you have a chance to win. And know when and how to GTFO when things go bad (obviously, both in game and forum).
Not so serious point: OP, you are a troll. If you really hate this game, stop playing it, EvE will become a better game without trolls such as you,
signed
nafiy
For the love of all that is holy, can you people STOP TELLING HIM TO GO AWAY AND STOP POSTING!?!?!? He might actually listen, and I haven't had this much fun reading threads since the days of Nathan Sanderson/ForumAlt4Laughs.
This guy is epic. ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that... |
Karak Terrel
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons.
No, they can kill YOUR T1 cruiser in 4 seconds and this is not the fault of the T3
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Aurelius Valentius
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:55:00 -
[135]
*looks at the small pile of ashes that was the OP and sighs, picks up a handbroom and dustpan and sweeps up*
...OZYMANDIAS
"I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed. And on the pedestal these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away."
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.06.29 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless.
so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob.
when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small.
T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship.
this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs.
Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****.
This is all i have to say to that
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Camel S
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Posted - 2010.06.29 19:10:00 -
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They nerfed dual MWD cruisers
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 22:34:24 so what you guys are saying, is that the cost justifies its power, yet its so easy to kill that 100m can kill 600m, and its not really that much more powreful. so how come you guys arent complaining that its too expensive and the SP loss also makes it so little worth it? Obviously it must have the power to stand behind its 600 mil pricetag and its SP loss cost, then obviosuly its far above and beyond the balance of cruiser sized hulls.
lte me make it clear. I have a 6 second alignment time, I warped in at 30km off the asteroid belt, he was 32km away, I saw him and by the time I aligned to warp off to another place, which was immediately after I saw him there, he was 8000m away and killed my shield and ate 10% of armor in one volley, then got through almost all armor in the next, then killed armor and hull in the third volley. and I was using resists. so please, lets not be ******s here. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 so what you guys are saying, is that the cost justifies its power, yet its so easy to kill that 100m can kill 600m, and its not really that much more powreful. so how come you guys arent complaining that its too expensive and the SP loss also makes it so little worth it? Obviously it must have the power to stand behind its 600 mil pricetag and its SP loss cost, then obviosuly its far above and beyond the balance of cruiser sized hulls.
Ekrid, taking oxy from moron once more. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 22:34:24 so what you guys are saying, is that the cost justifies its power, yet its so easy to kill that 100m can kill 600m, and its not really that much more powreful. so how come you guys arent complaining that its too expensive and the SP loss also makes it so little worth it? Obviously it must have the power to stand behind its 600 mil pricetag and its SP loss cost, then obviosuly its far above and beyond the balance of cruiser sized hulls.
lte me make it clear. I have a 6 second alignment time, I warped in at 30km off the asteroid belt, he was 32km away, I saw him and by the time I aligned to warp off to another place, which was immediately after I saw him there, he was 8000m away and killed my shield and ate 10% of armor in one volley, then got through almost all armor in the next, then killed armor and hull in the third volley. and I was using resists. so please, lets not be ******s here.
Sounds like hax to me. Petition your loss under game mechanic exploitation.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:52:00 -
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The Sandbox has a solution .
T3 to me is a great target...worth losing dozens of t1 cruisers to get perhaps.
Using killboard efficiency makes flying a 300million ship a ticket to failure
KB efficeincy is for self-evaluation.. of course people can fake it if they want..although your corporates would probably notice it if you tried by most methods.
All about how you see it, but in a persistent game with people starting at different times you're setting yourself up for dissapointment if you start thinking that you'd find a fair 1 vs 1 or even 5vs 5 fight very often (even if you were all the exact same sp , you'd have chosen a diffferent mix of ships)
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BeanBagKing
Ch3mic4l Warfare STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2010.06.29 23:06:00 -
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Bleh, running out of lol's fast on page 5, and I doubt he'll produce a killmail so we can have more. Our only hope is that whoever killed him comes forward and posts the killmail himself =D
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Typherian
Minmatar Legio Invicta Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.06.29 23:09:00 -
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I really don't know what the op is talking about. Just killed a tengu the other day with 2 battleships. Probably could have done it with 1. T3 isn't overpowered it simply requires more planning to kill.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.29 23:15:00 -
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Op is a noob.
Here is my counter to tech 3.
Curse + Falcon.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.06.29 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Op is a noob.
Here is my counter to tech 3.
Curse + Falcon.
It's even simpler and cheaper than that both in isk and sp needed.
Celestis + Blackbird.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.06.29 23:50:00 -
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All I've gained from this thread is that it's apparently possible to make a "RUN AWAAAAAY" ship with t3 tech, so it might actually be interesting (let me do more puttering about in lowsec and 0.0 without fear) instead of a complete waste of my time for something that's no fun whatsoever (cap ships).
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Balsak
Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2010.06.29 23:58:00 -
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Wow, back on page 1 this thread was starting to die but it really picked itself up and got going nicely.
To those claiming this guy is a troll please don't do that, it's giving stupid people a way out of looking stupid. Stupid people should not be allowed the troll defense.
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.30 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Typherian I really don't know what the op is talking about. Just killed a tengu the other day with 2 battleships (you know, those things that have 12x more powergrid than cruiser size hulls, so can fit heavy neuts and have more lows and mids than cruisers, so can fit tons of tackle and DPS and tank gear). Probably couldn't have done it with 1. T3 isn't overpowered if you're planning to fight battleships with a curiser hull. it simply requires more planning to kill.
FYP for truth and clarity. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.30 00:45:00 -
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1Ekrid1, combat log or STFU>FO.
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.30 00:52:00 -
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ok tell me how to get a combat log while I dont have access to eve client? There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
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