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Vikarion
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.06.29 04:15:00 -
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It pains me to report this, but in the early hours of 6/29, we became aware of a theft of LDIS property by one Benjamin Shepherd, who upon being contacted, refused to disclose his reasons for leaving, other than to claim that he did it at the behest of a Julianus Soter.
Fortunately, the theft was limited, as Mr. Shepherd did not have access to advanced hangars and assets. We regret that we did not foresee this event, and suggest others keep this in mind in the future when considering hiring.
Mr. Shepherd has claimed ideological reasons for his..."move", though he made no move to express discontent to us over any subject whatsoever prior to this incident. For the record, LDIS supports working together against the Sansha, we merely desire sufficient consideration of options rather than hap-hazard actions. We are not, in principle, opposed to Myxx, Soter, or any others, and have designated liaisons to help other empires with Sansha attacks in their territory. Therefore, it may well be considered that while we still view Soter and others as enemies of the Caldari people, we do not plan to avoid actual cooperation when necessary, and thus, any such justifications ring hollow.
Many regrets, -Vikarion - - -
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Hamish Grayson
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.06.29 04:36:00 -
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Edited by: Hamish Grayson on 29/06/2010 04:36:42 This is truly regrettable. I had considered Shepard-Jaijii a friend and thought him above petty theft.
As for Julianus Soter, attacking us, in this way while the entire cluster is under such a threat seems to be par for the course. Regardless of his past crimes against humanity or this vicious attack on the Infinity Systems family we will continue to share whatever intel we have on the Sansha and we will continue to put our lives and the lives on our crew on the line.
We will do this because unlike Soter we consider ALL human life to be important. Caldari, Gallente, Matari, Amarr we value them all.
We have been weakened by this attack but when the Sansha come we will still be there. ============================================
It is said the warrior's is the twofold way of pen and sword |
John Revenent
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.06.29 04:55:00 -
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It pains me to hear this, Mr. Shepherd from my encounters with him in the past I never thought I would see the day when he would turn his back on the people who looked to him as a respectful individual.
Now I don't know the details but if this is true on the subject that Mr. Soter could have been a factor in the theft, it would cause many supporters on his initative including some within Ishukone-Raata to rethink there involvement.
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Koronakesh
Amarr Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.29 05:15:00 -
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While I personally can't say whether or not anything was taken, as I obviously wouldn't have access to verifiable records to that respect, I can say Vikarion is a man of his word.
With respect to Mr. Shepherd, I feel no misgivings about informing Vikarion of the conversation we had in its entirety.
Mr. Shepherd communicated an alarmed and sickened feeling for Caldari politics, a dislike for a society he repeatedly called crazy, and that contacts were helping him with getting a place in the Federation after having an "enlightening" conversation with Mr. Soter.
Given his strongly evident feelings of distaste and expressed intent to defect, it comes as no surprise he would try to lash out by stealing from the closest symbol of the society he has come to despise.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.06.29 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 29/06/2010 05:21:29
Originally by: John Revenent Now I don't know the details but if this is true on the subject that Mr. Soter could have been a factor in the theft, it would cause many supporters on his initative including some within Ishukone-Raata to rethink there involvement.
... Which makes me wonder whether the thief might not have been in the employ of someone with a much different agenda. The timing is suspicious, the take pathetic, the supposed instigator very publicly concerned with certain other matters.
False flag, anyone?
Julianus, anything to say on whether you could possibly have been responsible for something this stupid?
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Originally by: Koronakesh [new information]
Aaah. Now that begins to sound less like something Julianus directed and more like something he inspired.
That would make more sense.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.06.29 05:28:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus LeHane on 29/06/2010 05:28:38 Julianus Soter claims innocence and I believe him. This was a clumsily transparent false flag operation and I suspect the only reason LDIS gave it a second glance was because it was made against a known Federation supporter.
Honestly, what would Soter have to gain from stealing from you guys? It's not like you're the pinnacle of economic success. And even if there was something worthwhile to be taken, do you think he'd be stupid enough to use someone who'd blab his allegience to the world the first opportunity he got? -----
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Vikarion
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.06.29 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 29/06/2010 05:30:42 I don't recall claiming that Soter stole from us. I've made no claims whatsoever on the behavior of Mr. Soter other than what Mr. Shepherd has claimed, and his recent relocation to Gallente space.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.06.29 05:40:00 -
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I'm aware of that. You're doing your usual thing of taking statements whose implications are obvious too literally. I'm merely stating that your allegations against Soter - namely, that he ordered the theft - are baseless. It's also no surprise to me that you were the one who made the press release. -----
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira. Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.06.29 05:58:00 -
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Edited by: Julianus Soter on 29/06/2010 05:59:01 I categorically deny any involvement with the alleged theft within LDIS. I had a conversation with Benjamin directly regarding this, during which I asked if he stole anything from the corporation.
He denied the allegations.
Indeed. I will let you know the true root of this situation.
On Sunday, I was organizing a joint-fleet exercise of trusted, available Coalition forces. The goal of these operations, which were scheduled at various times through the day, was to provide important training for fleet operations against capsuleers.
It was during this point that I invited Heiian College to participate in this operation. specifically, I requested Mr. Shepherd to do so, seeing he was available and willing, and to communicate the same invitation to Hamish Grayson and other leadership.
They declined, saying I was a warcriminal and that "I wanted to destroy every last Caldari" in the universe, or somesuch nonsense.
The operations went on without them, with a total of 20-30 different pilots attending at the various seminar sessions. We destroyed some lowsec pirates, returned to base.
It was at this point in time that Benjamin approached me, citing his frustration with LDIS's internal response towards my offer, and their subsequent "policy".
He stated that he wished to leave the corporation because of the dire nature of the threat against mankind, as shown by Nation's forces in 3-C. He was tired of the apparently apathetic reponse from LDIS leadership, who had stated that "everyday operations must not be interrupted" to participate in the joint-fleet exercises.
At this point, he stated he had talked to Nederland, feeding him an excuse that his father had passed away, requiring his personal attention to his will. He used that opportunity to leave the corporation on personal matters, and leave the State's space, fearing for his life.
The first I heard of any "theft" was from Vikarion's post in this forum.
Ladies and gentlemen, I would say we have more important things to deal with, but that would be an unnecessary repetition of fact. Whether or not there was theft, the evidence will demonstrate. And since it seems that no significant transfer high-ISK value assets even occured, I'm left suspicious of the nature of Vikarion's public statement.
Besides the fact that it also contains the fabrication that I was even involved, besides giving Benjamin the same advice I would give any friend.
Now, to get back to surveying this system . . .
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Sylorin
Caldari MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2010.06.29 06:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sylorin on 29/06/2010 06:15:11
I donÆt know if this is connected butà
In the course of a murder investigation of a Caldari national and a dozen or so Amarr slaves earlier this year, I was able to question, at length an ally of ôGeneralö Soter. He among others stood as witness to the interview.
I appreciated the candor and openness of the person I was interviewing. The long and short of the investigation is that while she freely admits to her having committed the murders, she cannot prove (and is not willing to prove) that her actions and the actions of her then corporation (who are now avowed Sansha loyalists) were not done as a prelude to the attacks.
Even if she was proven to be completely innocent of collusion with Sansha, she is still an admitted mass murderer and criminal. At a time when we should be trying to build bridges to fight against the Nation, Soter seems to be going out of his way to alienate and offend the Caldari and the Amarr. Keeping her on the payroll and privy to sensitive information can only add to public mistrust.
Backing or instigating the defection of Lai Dai personnel further erodes whatever trust the public could have had in ôGeneralö Soter. If heÆs going to surround himself with criminals, is it surprising that he is seen as one himself?
*The opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the opinions of MMZ Labs LLC |
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira. Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.06.29 06:22:00 -
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You mean the situation with Victoria Str-what's-her-name? Perhaps you'll notice she's not in my corporation, alliance, nor do we maintain diplomatic relations.
She is a person in The Synenose Accord's public channel, whose corporation had previously declared war against the Accord for petty reasons.
Is she ruthless? Of course she is. Is she a criminal? Probably.
However, I am more than willing to look beyond such things in a situation where the fate of the human race hangs in the balance. I won't be jotted down in the final, panicked annals of history for being the person who let the world go to hell because he didn't work with combat pilots with checkered pasts.
Thank you, however, for your comments.
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Hamish Grayson
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.06.29 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter It was at this point in time that Benjamin approached me, citing his frustration with LDIS's internal response towards my offer, and their subsequent "policy".
The current LDIS policy is the we will neither forgive nor forget your crimes against humanity but for the duration of the Sansha threat we will continue to share our intel with you in order to preserve human life. However, we will not fly under your command. We will meet the Sansha threat under our own fleet commanders.
This has already been explained to you. ============================================
It is said the warrior's is the twofold way of pen and sword |
Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira. Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.06.29 06:52:00 -
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That seems to be unlikely as I've been banned from your channel.
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Vikarion
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.06.29 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 29/06/2010 07:14:08
Originally by: Julianus Soter That seems to be unlikely as I've been banned from your channel.
Heiian is no longer an intel channel. Join the channel listed in the CDFC post if you so desire. And I should make a distinction: no one is claiming that Soter explicitly instructed Mr. Shepherd in a theft. - - -
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Sylorin
Caldari MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2010.06.29 07:47:00 -
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Smooth Soteràvery smooth.
Victoria (I like how you suddenly forgot her last name) gleefully and publicly admits to mass murder and furnishes evidence to the same effect and you say sheÆs ôprobablyö a criminal?
You disavow a corporate connection with her here, yet your public conversations with her make her hardly a mere ôacquaintance.ö And your private onesà
Collusion with the Sansha Nation and recent episodes of mass murder and she has a ôcheckered past?ö Amazing. When are you going to run for office?
Ok. IÆm beginning to go beyond the scope of my investigation. We needed to get evidence of her guilt in one specific crime. Not yours. Mission accomplished. Thanks for your assistance though.
*The opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the opinions of MMZ Labs LLC |
Myxx
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.29 08:10:00 -
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Thats unfortunate.
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.29 08:49:00 -
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ForgeTech Industries would like to express our sympathy and solidarity for our colleagues and honoured competition in LDIS, and our relief that this theft was only limited in nature. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.06.29 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion no one is claiming that Soter explicitly instructed Mr. Shepherd in a theft.
Who manufactures your wingmirrors? That's some impressive backpeddling you're doing there. -----
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Izanami Rei
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.29 12:37:00 -
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I would ask you all to closely examine this following line of text;
Originally by: Vikarion It pains me to report this, but in the early hours of 6/29, we became aware of a theft of LDIS property by one Benjamin Shepherd, who upon being contacted, refused to disclose his reasons for leaving, other than to claim that he did it at the behest of a Julianus Soter.
The fine difference between left and theft should be minded, no matter how prettily they may rime.
Word mincing should not be an excuse to call for hostilities.
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Van Cleef
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion It pains me to report this, but in the early hours of 6/29, we became aware of a theft of LDIS property by one Benjamin Shepherd, who upon being contacted, refused to disclose his reasons for leaving, other than to claim that he did it at the behest of a Julianus Soter.
I think that he said theft, the left part as most likely a result of the said theft.
Unless I missed your point. -----------------------------------------------
Admiral Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM |
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Izanami Rei
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Izanami Rei on 29/06/2010 17:51:17 Or the theft part was a result of him leaving, a crime of opportunity rather than a plot. Consider that he very well could have told himself, "I am angry and I will not return, I may as well burn this bridge and enrich myself in the process."
My point is that the statement says that he was asked for his reason to leave, answered that Mr. Soter Urged him to do so. It does nowhere claimed that Mr Soter was involved in or encouraged the theft.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente Risen Angels
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Posted - 2010.06.29 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Nikita Alterana on 29/06/2010 18:20:46
Originally by: Sylorin Smooth Soteràvery smooth.
Victoria (I like how you suddenly forgot her last name) gleefully and publicly admits to mass murder and furnishes evidence to the same effect and you say sheÆs ôprobablyö a criminal?
You disavow a corporate connection with her here, yet your public conversations with her make her hardly a mere ôacquaintance.ö And your private onesà
Collusion with the Sansha Nation and recent episodes of mass murder and she has a ôcheckered past?ö Amazing. When are you going to run for office?
Ok. IÆm beginning to go beyond the scope of my investigation. We needed to get evidence of her guilt in one specific crime. Not yours. Mission accomplished. Thanks for your assistance though.
I like Victoria, I know about her, and I know about her past, and have had quite a few pleasant conversations recently, she even paid me a visit at theater HQ in Stain. She really isn't that bad once you get to know her.
And you know, I really can't claim to have any less blood on my hands then she does, just because she is more open about her mass killings doesn't mean no one else is committing any. Why are you after her, trying to prove her guilty for some crime? What has she done that's so special it warrants an investigation? We're capsuleers, we can go where we want, do what we want, and kill who we want with impunity, she's not exempt from that because she knocked over your sandcastle.
We have a war to fight. The minmatar use hardened criminals as soldiers, and no one sees a problem with that. So I suggest you take that slimy, two bit political thug for hire attitude, and shove it where the sun don't shine.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Moira. Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:07:00 -
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Not every stroke of bad luck that befalls the Caldari is the fault of some individual or aspect of the Federation.
Just, you know, putting it out there. ------------ Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores [TAGMA] Federal Defence Union |
Myxx
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Not every stroke of bad luck that befalls the Caldari is the fault of some individual or aspect of the Federation.
Just, you know, putting it out there.
Not every single one, just a fairly grand majority of them have something to do with the Federation.
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Benjamin Shepherd
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 00:46:00 -
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I'd like to clear this up, because the theft that my former associates claim I conducted is a blatant and utter fabrication. Not only is there no photographic proof of whatever I allegedly stole, but the inability for Vikarion to show what I have stolen seems suspiciously like he is out to give me a bad name. Which, in fact, is fine.
I left the State, as some have already said, for philosophical reasons. Of the fifty years before I became a capsuleer, forty-seven of those were spent serving Ishukone. The lack of action from my personal point of view and word-twisting corporate executives led me to pursue other areas of interest. Mr. Soter did indeed contact me, but to accuse him of forcing me to do this act of simply moving from one part of space to the other? Hah.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.06.30 03:05:00 -
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You did not need to provide me with a false excuse to depart.
If you informed us of the desire to be more involved in anti-Sansha operations, the corporation would have supported you in whatever way it could. If that meant departing the corporation and working with Mr. Soter, so be it. It however could have been done without lies and deception.
Instead, you quizzed us on our stance towards Nation incursions to provide Mr. Soter with "talking points." You contacted me and informed me of a need to attend to personal matters, which at this time I will assume are false.
As for the accusations of theft, they are being investigated.
To put the situation in corporate espionage terms:
LDIS's perspective is that a foreign agent developed an asset, used the asset, and provided the asset with a means to depart. One of LDIS's managers has stated a theft occurred alongside the departure and it is being investigated.
To clarify the LDIS position:
LDIS is not primarily a combat corporation. We invent and build Tech 2 modules and ships. Most of our personnel have a significant portion of their training in fields related to this endeavor.
We are a business. As a business, we cannot allow the Nation's incursions to impact our day-to-day operations. Many of our pilots can not drop what they are working on to go chase Nation or other enemies of the State.
Our members do not get paid based on kill counts or combat operations/week, but rather how well their team performs & grows and how much they contribute to said growth.
We owe it to our shareholders, employees, and customers to remain consistent in our efforts to bring our products to market. This excludes pursuing extended and unplanned combat expeditions.
To clarify the purpose of the Heiian College:
The Heiian College is intended to be a place to discuss Caldari culture, politics, and build relationships with other capsuleers. When Nation began its raids it was shoehorned into doubling as an intel channel. This was a mistake on the part of those of us who administrate the channel. We should have created a separate channel (one now exist)
As of now, I have unblocked Mr. Soter and Mr. Shepard and unmuted Mr. Inhonores. I blocked Mr. Soter and Mr. Shepard yesterday because I was angry (and still am just to a lesser extent) and did not want to deal with them. Mr. Inhonores was muted for what I considered grand standing.
The capsuleer community that supports Nation, select FDU corporations, and some prominent individuals remain blocked.
The more important note is that those who participate in the channel are in no way bound to take part in anything. I, nor any of the channel's other administrators, can dictate what others in the channel do outside of the channel, especially if they are outside our corporations.
As to the personal feeling of LDIS's executives towards Mr. Soter.
We hold some manner of respect for him, but it is not respect born out of friendship or common cause. To us, he remains an enemy of the State, as we remain enemies of the Federation.
We will discourage a subordinate relationship with Mr. Soter and other Federal or other foreign agents in our employees. This means LDIS's presence in international operations is going to be limited for the foreseeable future.
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
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Posted - 2010.06.30 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hamish Grayson
As for Julianus Soter, attacking us, in this way while the entire cluster is under such a threat seems to be par for the course. Regardless of his past crimes against humanity or this vicious attack on the Infinity Systems family we will continue to share whatever intel we have on the Sansha and we will continue to put our lives and the lives on our crew on the line.
We will do this because unlike Soter we consider ALL human life to be important. Caldari, Gallente, Matari, Amarr we value them all.
We have been weakened by this attack but when the Sansha come we will still be there.
I know you've got a lot going on right now, but seriously, does everything in the world stop because of what the Sansha have cooking? All other activities should cease because "the entire cluster is under such a threat"?
Come on, you can do better than that.
Anyway, I know Vikarion well enough to know that he doesn't just make stuff up without reasons. After all, he's got my soul in his possession, if I remember right.
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