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rmfHorus
Gallente Polaris Rising The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.06.30 11:15:00 -
[91]
Memento audere semper
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Wusti
Caldari The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2010.06.30 11:27:00 -
[92]
Originally by: cyclobs
Originally by: Hinkledolph
Originally by: Togae Alus
HTA was also not very smart in this transaction as they did not bother to check if the area was free to buy and if it would come without any other implications or consequences.
HTA didn't have to ask your permission if ATLAS already OKed the deal. If this is the case, then you will STFU and will keep your mouth shut.
<3 Mya, Camaris, Mukko(insert weird name)ovian
confirming atlas did gave us permission (and supported us) in the taking of SP before any transaction was made.
Atlas changed their mind after CoW and GC whinged to them about SP being their space that primary has no right to give away. Resulting in atlas changing their mind about the whole thing and telling us we don't get either SP or our isk.
If that's right I'd say that is game, set match wouldn't you?
Guru's spin just stopped spinning. _______________________
Welcome to The New Era
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Corvus Dove
Caldari Majestic. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:24:00 -
[93]
I'm now completely confused.
I still can't log in to EVE and won't be able to for about a week. That means, for local political news in 4-C and 1v, I'm having to follow...this thread.
Let me attempt a summary and someone correct me if I'm wrong:
1. Primary. leadership realized they'd gotten all the use they would get out of the corps they brought in recently and secretly brokered a deal with HTA to sell SP and split.
2. HTA jumped at it, but no-one informed COW and GC, so when it just up and happened, COW and GC were rather peeved. This deal took place to the cost of 32billion ISK. Primary. left everyone else behind (including me and my corp) wordlessly.
3. Goonfleet popped in and dropped some SBUs, which were taken down within hours. Sovreignty was retained by HTA.
4. The whole nightmare spoiled the deal; Primary. made off with the 32 bil, but was already on the other side of space by the time GC and COW complained to Atlas. Atlas has since, judging from the last HTA post on the thread other than myself, decided that Scalding Pass won't be going to HTA after all, leaving me and my assets docked and screwed.
That about right? ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal. |
Hinkledolph
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove I'm now completely confused.
I still can't log in to EVE and won't be able to for about a week. That means, for local political news in 4-C and 1v, I'm having to follow...this thread.
Let me attempt a summary and someone correct me if I'm wrong:
1. Primary. leadership realized they'd gotten all the use they would get out of the corps they brought in recently and secretly brokered a deal with HTA to sell SP and split.
2. HTA jumped at it, but no-one informed COW and GC, so when it just up and happened, COW and GC were rather peeved. This deal took place to the cost of 32billion ISK. Primary. left everyone else behind (including me and my corp) wordlessly.
3. Goonfleet popped in and dropped some SBUs, which were taken down within hours. Sovreignty was retained by HTA.
4. The whole nightmare spoiled the deal; Primary. made off with the 32 bil, but was already on the other side of space by the time GC and COW complained to Atlas. Atlas has since, judging from the last HTA post on the thread other than myself, decided that Scalding Pass won't be going to HTA after all, leaving me and my assets docked and screwed.
That about right?
You should have seen it coming when 2000 man alliance has 99% carebears and ppl who "can't log in" due to "serious RL buziness"...
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Ltd SpacePig
Amarr Immortal Council death from above..
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Posted - 2010.06.30 14:46:00 -
[95]
This thread just keeps on getting better and better
Now please continue this drama.. "Carebear gone bad" |
Guru
Caldari Woopatang Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 14:53:00 -
[96]
I will tell you what.. lets just list the facts "spin" free.
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We came along with GC and COW and shot at the same towers they did and fought the same people they did(which wasn't much) to attain the space we are speaking of in the 1V area.
We had our own renters, went on our own campaigns without consulting anyone, and even at times had different standings.
We didn't have to answer to them on any level. We chose to "try" to work with them. We worked out plans for the region, placements of towers, rules for our renters alongside with GC/COW.
Atlas is pretty much the only entity any of us had to answer to. Cow kicks and screams about it more then GC, but in the end.. what Atlas says goes.
We paid no rent whatsoever to anyone.
We did our best to cooperate with neighboring blues.
We took isk for the space, just like we took isk for rent. Just like any of the other alliances that are sov holders, and not renters, do. Money changes hand every day for space at one level or the next.
We could have put a red in this space, but chose a mutual blue. That says something.
We gave our alliance a few options, one of which just included a change in the alliance tag.
GC/COW got very upset when they learned about all of this and started the drama fest.
GC/COW want some sort of monetary gain off of the space.
It is soley because of GC/COW that HTA may now not be able to attain the space they acquired.
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There is only one scam going here.. and it has to do with GC/COW and them scamming some of there blues. If HTA or any other renters want to be angry.. they should be angry at the treatment that was afforded to them by GC/COW.. who are supposedly there blues.
I give HTA credit for always bringing pilots to fights.. always.
If you cannot see what is right in front of your nose, there is not much I will be able to do to change that.
"Mind Over Matter: If I don't mind, it don't matter." WWW.EVE-WOOPATANG.COM |
CARY
Caldari Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 15:03:00 -
[97]
Nice Guru
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Corvus Dove
Caldari Majestic. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.30 15:04:00 -
[98]
I'd love to log in and find out the real story. Unfortunately, I can't even log in, so seeing my nose is necessary before seeing what is in front of it .
Oh well, I guess I'll just show up in about a week and adapt to whatever politics are going on in the systems at the time. ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal. |
EngIand
Caldari Irata III Trek Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:31:00 -
[99]
Ok, This is a story of how my corp (which was in Primary) got screwed by GURU ! I mean its kinda funny how the leadership decided to sell not only the space, not only the stations but every f**kin corp in Primary's space to HTA. Not only have HTA got screwed by this but every corp in Primary that isnt staying with the EX-so called leadership. There are stories floating around in Primary about how GURU has made out like a f**kin bandit, with between 70-100bil. I mean the station systems are worth like 30bil each, but now there are rumours that he didnt even get a good price for all of the people he sold out. All he got for the space, the stations and the people he sold to HTA was 32bil ? (We didnt just get sold out, we got sold out cheap)
The BS that people are spinning in this thread is awesome. COW and GC's spin is kinda cute, they got kinda screwed on the whole deal and are p****d, depending on your perspective you'd agree with them or not. Others are saying that Primary was failing and we only ever showed up with 5 or 10 people fleets ? That is a f**king joke. Regular PVP roams of 50-60-70 were run all the time. CTA's happening all the time. We (The people of Primary) just had no faith in GC or COW FC's. And it was common knowledge that COW and GC's CTA's werent mandatory and we only went if we felt like it. If we had a CTA and it was a formal thing, we'd easily pull together 200-250 and if planned in advance 300-350, EASILY !
But the Biggest B*****IT ! Comes from GURU himself and the people in FFW and Woopatang. About how they havnt doen anything wrong. THATS total BS !. They sold the space. the stations and EVERYONE in Primary for a cash payout. And then they have the nerve to try and spin the BS about how it was a good thing and how it could have been a whole lot worse. This is a bad as it gets. Having your alliance to sell you to not even the highest bidder. All the time, effort and ships and isk put into the area and the people of your alliance, just to have the leadership f**k you over. THATS the story of whats happening, happened and the marketing BS that the Primary leadership is putting around.
(All time best quote relating to the situation goes to Aratillion "They didnt sell out, they sold us..............")
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Guru
Caldari Woopatang Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:37:00 -
[100]
Originally by: EngIand Ok, This is a story of how my corp (which was in Primary) got screwed by GURU ! I mean its kinda funny how the leadership decided to sell not only the space, not only the stations but every f**kin corp in Primary's space to HTA. Not only have HTA got screwed by this but every corp in Primary that isnt staying with the EX-so called leadership. There are stories floating around in Primary about how GURU has made out like a f**kin bandit, with between 70-100bil. I mean the station systems are worth like 30bil each, but now there are rumours that he didnt even get a good price for all of the people he sold out. All he got for the space, the stations and the people he sold to HTA was 32bil ? (We didnt just get sold out, we got sold out cheap)
The BS that people are spinning in this thread is awesome. COW and GC's spin is kinda cute, they got kinda screwed on the whole deal and are p****d, depending on your perspective you'd agree with them or not. Others are saying that Primary was failing and we only ever showed up with 5 or 10 people fleets ? That is a f**king joke. Regular PVP roams of 50-60-70 were run all the time. CTA's happening all the time. We (The people of Primary) just had no faith in GC or COW FC's. And it was common knowledge that COW and GC's CTA's werent mandatory and we only went if we felt like it. If we had a CTA and it was a formal thing, we'd easily pull together 200-250 and if planned in advance 300-350, EASILY !
But the Biggest B*****IT ! Comes from GURU himself and the people in FFW and Woopatang. About how they havnt doen anything wrong. THATS total BS !. They sold the space. the stations and EVERYONE in Primary for a cash payout. And then they have the nerve to try and spin the BS about how it was a good thing and how it could have been a whole lot worse. This is a bad as it gets. Having your alliance to sell you to not even the highest bidder. All the time, effort and ships and isk put into the area and the people of your alliance, just to have the leadership f**k you over. THATS the story of whats happening, happened and the marketing BS that the Primary leadership is putting around.
(All time best quote relating to the situation goes to Aratillion "They didnt sell out, they sold us..............")
Like I said not everyone was happy..lol Eng, just chat with me in game.. and I can answer your concerns(or on our forums we left open for that purpose) that way you dont have to speculate. Unfortunately we couldn't invite every corp on the next endeavor. "Mind Over Matter: If I don't mind, it don't matter." WWW.EVE-WOOPATANG.COM |
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aratillion
Gallente Independent Coalition Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:41:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Guru Look 1 post up.
You could've let us start a new alliance, that could then take over the space.
I know you didn't like the idea of letting go of your "child" but this would have solved it, with a lot less drama.
My 2 cents
/aratillion
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Lord Kytano
Caldari More-Cowbell Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:43:00 -
[102]
Nice damage control....7/10....too bad this same thing happend to more then just his corp...but COW/GC is to blame for it all
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Bashiri
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:50:00 -
[103]
I like the story lines tht has pop up so far. All we are missing is the romance part with a happy ending.
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Raser Moonstrider
Caldari Woopatang Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 18:23:00 -
[104]
Originally by: EngIand And then they have the nerve to try and spin the BS about how it was a good thing and how it could have been a whole lot worse. This is a bad as it gets.
Right...because you got kicked out of the alliance immediately with no warning, didn't get the choice of staying in the region (in any way), were not given time to move your things, got attacked on-sight by your "alliance mates," had 30+ reds camping every station and in every system....shall I go on?
Yes, the deal you got by how the alliance was disbanded was just...so horrible...
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EngIand
Caldari Irata III Trek Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.30 18:37:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Raser Moonstrider
Originally by: EngIand And then they have the nerve to try and spin the BS about how it was a good thing and how it could have been a whole lot worse. This is a bad as it gets.
Right...because you got kicked out of the alliance immediately with no warning, didn't get the choice of staying in the region (in any way), were not given time to move your things, got attacked on-sight by your "alliance mates," had 30+ reds camping every station and in every system....shall I go on?
Yes, the deal you got by how the alliance was disbanded was just...so horrible...
**sniff** **sniff** **sniff** **sniff** I smell......**sniff** i smell..........marketing bull***t **sniff** **sniff**
Dont p**s in my pocket and tell me its raining. 75% of the so-called alliance got kinda screwed and your trying to bigup the good points ?
And we didnt get kiked out. We got told the space,stations and corps had been sold. And then COW/GC informed us that we had 48 hours before we get buttf**ked out of the area. Weve HAD to leave Primary, cause the people staying in Primary have already evacuated before making the announcment of what was happeneing. Leaving everyone who's not going with you left in the area being threatened by GC and COW. Weve had to leave the Alliance cause we are a target to everyone in the area and in need of getting out before getting screwed. Weve had 24 hours from the annoucement to get crap out and HTA's plans to take over have been turned down by Atlas. GC/COW/Cursed/Goons and everyone and their buttplug are now roaming through scalding looking for anyone to jump on.
Good for you, you got paid, you got out of the area. and everyone left behind got screwed. Its beautiful. For you. Playing up how everyone is happy and 75% of the people arnt. Your playing a marketing campaign by trying to spin of the good points of how 75% of 2000 people got screwed ? How considerate of you. ass***e
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8O2080208O2080208020
Minmatar Alliance Logo Inc Clown Punchers Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.30 18:52:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Swp I'm a lil confuse , So the Pets of the Pets tryed to scam their Pets ?
but after all the claims by CoW and GC that they were never anyone's pets, turns out they were Atlas pets all along? I too am now confused.
Strike up another victory for the drama queens of Scalding Ass and Dawsons Creek.
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Heofz
Caldari B4D W0LF M.U.T.I.N.Y.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Heofz on 30/06/2010 19:08:56 lol, why does this thread remind me so much of davet517's exploits at insmother region next door (leader of Reckoning.)
If there's one thing I learned from being in a corp that rented from Atlas, is trust f***ing NOBODY. We had a 2000 man alliance kicked out by Atlas because of one slimey ginger little prick.
Yep, our alliance diplo (davet517) turned out to be a complete snake. Careful planning and social engineering (plus a little conniving with Atlas with lots of bought isk) ensured our whole alliance were eventually kicked out, leaving him to form a new one as the leader.
tl;dr - Renting sucks.
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Uriel Wilde
Amarr Galactic Express Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:16:00 -
[108]
Originally by: EngIand
Originally by: Raser Moonstrider
Originally by: EngIand And then they have the nerve to try and spin the BS about how it was a good thing and how it could have been a whole lot worse. This is a bad as it gets.
Right...because you got kicked out of the alliance immediately with no warning, didn't get the choice of staying in the region (in any way), were not given time to move your things, got attacked on-sight by your "alliance mates," had 30+ reds camping every station and in every system....shall I go on?
Yes, the deal you got by how the alliance was disbanded was just...so horrible...
**sniff** **sniff** **sniff** **sniff** I smell......**sniff** i smell..........marketing bull***t **sniff** **sniff**
Dont p**s in my pocket and tell me its raining. 75% of the so-called alliance got kinda screwed and your trying to bigup the good points ?
And we didnt get kiked out. We got told the space,stations and corps had been sold. And then COW/GC informed us that we had 48 hours before we get buttf**ked out of the area. Weve HAD to leave Primary, cause the people staying in Primary have already evacuated before making the announcment of what was happeneing. Leaving everyone who's not going with you left in the area being threatened by GC and COW. Weve had to leave the Alliance cause we are a target to everyone in the area and in need of getting out before getting screwed. Weve had 24 hours from the annoucement to get crap out and HTA's plans to take over have been turned down by Atlas. GC/COW/Cursed/Goons and everyone and their buttplug are now roaming through scalding looking for anyone to jump on.
Good for you, you got paid, you got out of the area. and everyone left behind got screwed. Its beautiful. For you. Playing up how everyone is happy and 75% of the people arnt. Your playing a marketing campaign by trying to spin of the good points of how 75% of 2000 people got screwed ? How considerate of you. ass***e
70%? Holy ****! how big was primary.? Was I somehow missing a huge-ass portion of it? I thought we'd only had around 2000 members on the roster?
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Dissonance Corp Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 30/06/2010 19:18:00
Originally by: Heofz Edited by: Heofz on 30/06/2010 19:08:56 lol, why does this thread remind me so much of davet517's exploits at insmother region next door (leader of Reckoning.)
If there's one thing I learned from being in a corp that rented from Atlas, is trust f***ing NOBODY. We had a 2000 man alliance kicked out by Atlas because of one slimey ginger little prick.
Yep, our alliance diplo (davet517) turned out to be a complete snake. Careful planning and social engineering (plus a little conniving with Atlas with lots of bought isk) ensured our whole alliance were eventually kicked out, leaving him to form a new one as the leader.
tl;dr - Renting sucks.
dave517 must have been some sort of genius mastermind to convince Atlas that B4D W0LF were bad renters, still wondering how he did it... |
Corvus Dove
Caldari Majestic. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:18:00 -
[110]
My corp has some good guys in it. I like working with them.
But I gather by the time I can log in again, I'll be the only one of them in Scalding Pass.
Balls. Big hairy syphilitic testes to this mess. ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal. |
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Heofz
Caldari B4D W0LF M.U.T.I.N.Y.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:25:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Heofz on 30/06/2010 19:37:52
Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza dave517 must have been some sort of genius mastermind to convince Atlas that B4D W0LF were bad renters, still wondering how he did it...
We were fine actually. Atlas were absolutely happy with us except for the fact that dave was stirring **** from the beginning (read again: "social engineering").
With all this spinning and bull**** flying around you, can you honestly say you were able to trust dave with 100% confidence?
If you do, then I pity you.
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Ms Twitch
Caldari Geo Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:27:00 -
[112]
I feel sorry for HTA in one hand being scammed out of all the money, although I do think you didn't research the situation fully.
Wooptang and Guru are s****for betraying the trust of Primary. and it's members who made the alliance what it was and, it was all done so they line there own pockets.
My 2 cents worth.
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Raser Moonstrider
Caldari Woopatang Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:43:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Raser Moonstrider on 30/06/2010 19:44:51
Originally by: EngIand
Originally by: Raser Moonstrider
Originally by: EngIand And then they have the nerve to try and spin the BS about how it was a good thing and how it could have been a whole lot worse. This is a bad as it gets.
Right...because you got kicked out of the alliance immediately with no warning, didn't get the choice of staying in the region (in any way), were not given time to move your things, got attacked on-sight by your "alliance mates," had 30+ reds camping every station and in every system....shall I go on?
Yes, the deal you got by how the alliance was disbanded was just...so horrible...
**sniff** **sniff** **sniff** **sniff** I smell......**sniff** i smell..........marketing bull***t **sniff** **sniff**
Dont p**s in my pocket and tell me its raining. 75% of the so-called alliance got kinda screwed and your trying to bigup the good points ?
And we didnt get kiked out. We got told the space,stations and corps had been sold. And then COW/GC informed us that we had 48 hours before we get buttf**ked out of the area. Weve HAD to leave Primary, cause the people staying in Primary have already evacuated before making the announcment of what was happeneing. Leaving everyone who's not going with you left in the area being threatened by GC and COW. Weve had to leave the Alliance cause we are a target to everyone in the area and in need of getting out before getting screwed. Weve had 24 hours from the annoucement to get crap out and HTA's plans to take over have been turned down by Atlas. GC/COW/Cursed/Goons and everyone and their buttplug are now roaming through scalding looking for anyone to jump on.
Good for you, you got paid, you got out of the area. and everyone left behind got screwed. Its beautiful. For you. Playing up how everyone is happy and 75% of the people arnt. Your playing a marketing campaign by trying to spin of the good points of how 75% of 2000 people got screwed ? How considerate of you. ass***e
You said that it is as bad as it could get, I gave examples of how it is not. Should you still feel this way, please join this new startup alliance called Aggression. and come back in 6 months.
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FreedomCalls
Minmatar S0utherN Comfort Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:51:00 -
[114]
I could list the number of alliances that GC/Cow have collectivly screwed over but I wont, Primary. is however fully aware of the list of the number of people they have decided to **** over relentlessly, and as such has made a decent decision to GTFO. Just because they are switching up the norms, doesn't mean they were failscading or w/e other crap is posted in this thread. Primary. was a healthy, active and successful pvp and industry alliance just 1 week ago. They want some isk to jump start there new endeavors, doesn't sound that crazy to me. The only shame in all this is that a portion of the alliance cant be taken along with the bulk of the alliance to the new endeavor. It is a shame that some of the people in primary. alliance are going to get the benefit of the work of the whole alliance. But hey, sometimes people get left behind.
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EngIand
Caldari Irata III Trek Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.30 20:02:00 -
[115]
Originally by: FreedomCalls It is a shame that some of the people in primary. alliance are going to get the benefit of the work of the whole alliance.
Yeah , i agree. Its totally f***ed.
Originally by: FreedomCalls But hey, sometimes people get left behind.
Yeah, i agree. F**k them.
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Guru
Caldari Woopatang Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 20:23:00 -
[116]
Originally by: FreedomCalls I could list the number of alliances that GC/Cow have collectivly screwed over but I wont, Primary. is however fully aware of the list of the number of people they have decided to **** over relentlessly, and as such has made a decent decision to GTFO. Just because they are switching up the norms, doesn't mean they were failscading or w/e other crap is posted in this thread. Primary. was a healthy, active and successful pvp and industry alliance just 1 week ago. They want some isk to jump start there new endeavors, doesn't sound that crazy to me. The only shame in all this is that a portion of the alliance cant be taken along with the bulk of the alliance to the new endeavor. It is a shame that some of the people in primary. alliance are going to get the benefit of the work of the whole alliance. But hey, sometimes people get left behind.
I agree and dont agree at the same time..
Guru isnt getting any money.. I have been broke in game since 2003 and it doesnt bother me that much..lol
Some of the corps with the biggest gripes it appears are the shortest term members of Primary. Thats not to say that your any less important.. but you have the least invested in the alliance. Billions upon billions of isk have been spent on towers, upgrades, start up costs, and monthly fuel all of which most were not covered by alliance dues. Who do you think paid for these things? I am starting to feel like I am explaining to my son as to why I cant buy him a transformer every friday..lol The isk is going back towards endeavors of the corps who are losing out the most by starting somewhere else. This is not unreasonable.
Thats about all I have for this discussion.. once again your welcome to contact me in game or on our forums for more details..
The facts are in this thread as well as the hurf.. and you get to decide. "Mind Over Matter: If I don't mind, it don't matter." WWW.EVE-WOOPATANG.COM |
NL1GHT3D
Gallente Feudum Chalybis
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:07:00 -
[117]
if only most of the people that post here couldve read the leadership section of Primary.'s forums. The alliance bill was just to cover the costs and indeed, the upgrades were personal investments a lot of the time. Who do you think paid for all that ****? Guru took a dump and got a fishing net to get the TCU out of his toilet?
Let's say guru took 32 bil and bought a new rifter for it. He 'disbanded' alliance and left just like now, and you would have to find a new home. Or let's say guru didnt take 32 bil and had to earn the rifter by refining velators and selling civilian blasters. He 'disbanded' alliance and left just like now, and you would have to find a new home.
So the situation for the rest of primary actually isn't anything different, wether he took isk or not. And if he did: good for him, sucks for hta but it's GC/COW's fault HTA didn't "get anything in return". They did get something in return, GC/COW just took it because they are selfish. The trade was fair (else hta wouldn't have paid it in the first place), cow/gc's action is less than fair to HTA...
this is of course all based off of caod drame (which is pretty darn funny tbh ^_^)
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EngIand
Caldari Irata III Trek Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:16:00 -
[118]
Yeah your right, some have lost more than others.Some had invested more than others. Some have moved onward happy and the other 75% of the 2000 have been forced to split up and go in their own directions. And to be truthful who wouldnt want to be told that this is for their own good. And have the benefits of being expelled from the space that youve lived in and fought for and lost billions of isk in ships for.
Your time and effort have been appreciated, but, its just that time, GFTO we dont want you here anymore. We are happy, you arnt. Why are you b**ching ? why are you focusing on the reality of the situation ? cant you just focus on how we didnt make it as bad as it could be ? we did these things for you, for your benefit, were not so bad, our actions are understandable, just and fair.
You talking about this in public is pointless, your just letting people know how you feel, you dont have to do that when we have left the forums available for anyone. Stop posting the truth, stop telling people what you think. Its just not right. Yes youve kinda been screwed over, but please, cant you just die quietly in the corner, why do you have to say or think anything ? dont you understand free speech or that no one who is benefiting from this cares about you or your situation ? i mean come on stop being such a downer on this whole situation. Your starting to ruin how good we really feel about this whole thing.
(I am English, so the sarcasm maybe a little too subtle for some people. Please ask someone with more intelligence than you to explain it for you)
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Raser Moonstrider
Caldari Woopatang Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:26:00 -
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You know, I'm still trying to figure out where this 75% thing came from.
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Mya ElleTerego
Amarr The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:27:00 -
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Time goes by, it seems so long But it was only days ago when things were going wrong What happened to the love, to the love we knew The days we shared were so short and so few And baby I miss you Baby I miss you Remember when it didn't rain Will I ever see the sun again And baby I miss you Baby I miss you And I only wish that I could share your love again I thought about leaving for some new place Somewhere where I, I don't have to see your face 'Cause seeing your face only brings me out in tears Thinking of the love I've wasted all through the years Alliance Recruit thread Alliance Homepage/Killboard |
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