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Aliea Konovalev
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:01:00 -
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I don't think anyone would care that it was a worthless ship if it didn't have such a good looking model.
In a game filled with ugly ass ships, to waste a good design on a useless ship like this just pushes the wrong buttons.
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Kinroi Alari
Gallente Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zelphinine Edited by: Zelphinine on 29/06/2010 20:47:27 The Primae looks amazingly cool. I wish it was useful - it's entirely different type of ship from an Interbus shuttle or what have you. By the stats it's meant to be a functional workship, not a semi-useful toy.
Boost (and fix) the PI cargohold, seed the market with BPOs. Call the improved version the Primae mk. II in the Gallente style. Maybe give it a relevant bonus based off your Planetology skill or something.
Gift ship with low stats is free, awesome model with good stats is buildable at a price and worthwhile, everyone is happy.
oooooh -- I don't mind the Primae "as is," but I REALLY like that idea! -- Nam Sibyllam quidem Cumis ego ipse oculis meis vidi in ampulla pendere... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Aliea Konovalev I don't think anyone would care that it was a worthless ship if it didn't have such a good looking model.
In a game filled with ugly ass ships, to waste a good design on a useless ship like this just pushes the wrong buttons.
True enough. It sure looks like it's received the same level of attention and detail as the Scorpoin redesign, but that said, they did say that they'd slowly be working through [some | most | all] of the other models so there's still hopeà ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
GankuVerymuch
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:36:00 -
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Me thinks it would have made a better splash with these bonuses "Initially devised as a deep space salvage vessel for large-scale ore retrieval from destroyed ORE fleets in pirate-occupied areas"
Salvaging ship anyone? haven't I seen that idea somewhere?
and a question if "its previous incarnation was made all but obsolete by the arrival of capsuleers on the interstellar scene" who flew it back then? was it a drone?
doesn't make sense, but it's the internet it never does.
It looks good though.
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Bankotsu Li
Minmatar Firehawks
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:37:00 -
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Personally, I love the design (she's pretty!). She's also FREE! Kinda like a rookie ship for PI people.
Would be nice if CCP continued with this thought process, and created a line of ORE ships that were designed specifically for PI, as mentioned previously. There have been some very constructive thoughts about this, and I think it's definitely the right direction to take with it.
Only little quirk I've found is that the Planetary cargo hold still restricts some items that are actually PI Items (First I noticed was Oxygen).
As far as "FREE" goes, I think it's brilliant. Definitely a nice little nudge to get those waffling about getting into PI, to actually do it. The markets will need it! Yes, it's sorely lacking in many respects, but seriously... put it in perspective. It's FREE. You can run Level 1's in a Rookie ship, but even some of those missions you'll need to warp out one or two times. And if you plan on looting everything? Definitely making a couple of trips. I think the Primae will really kick-start PI for some of the newer players in EVE. They'll start off with their free ship and a little ISK and start making more ISK. Before you know it, they discover the need to train for Industrials because the little Primae just can't handle the volume anymore... Kinda like the Rookie Ships can't handle Level 2 missions. It's an appropriately scaled ship (ISK:functionality), and I love it.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:43:00 -
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The noobie industrial you get from tutorial is also free, and has 3k cargo before cargo expanders.
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Gordon Fell
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:50:00 -
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Please, PLEASE, seed BPO's. Too pretty to die to oblivion except for a few collectors.
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Rain Valis
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Inquisitor Berthez Can't there at least be some things better about this ships, so it actually has use? i.e. Let it warp faster, let it have a low sig radius, or cloak even..
Cough cough, read Dev blogs?
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=772
A low signature radius (a holdover from its earlier manifestation) adds a layer of defense to the Primaeæs already decent plating.
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Kuman Mafais
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Kuman Mafais on 29/06/2010 22:18:54
Originally by: Rain Valis
Originally by: Inquisitor Berthez Can't there at least be some things better about this ships, so it actually has use? i.e. Let it warp faster, let it have a low sig radius, or cloak even..
Cough cough, read Dev blogs?
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=772
A low signature radius (a holdover from its earlier manifestation) adds a layer of defense to the Primaeæs already decent plating.
Great so it takes slightly longer to be locked. That doesn't alter the fact that it's also useless.
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Stupid McStupidson
Gallente Hoek Lyne and Sinker
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:24:00 -
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I too was stunned at the poor stats for the Primae. I really felt like I'd been robbed out of my hard earned ISK, and that.........oh wait.
HEY!! THIS FREE MEAL DOESN'T COME WITH A DRINK!!!!! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGEEEE!!!!
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Benco97
Gallente Carpe Diem inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tiiron Oh and CCP isn't anyone's grandmother, they aren't poor old ladies that put lots of love and effort into it. Bad anology I'm afraid.
My lack of mastery over the written word aside I believe the point was understood and stands. The Primae was given to us to look fancy, be approximately as useful as the previous free ships we have been given and maybe to show that a range of specialist ships with something to do with PI will be coming along in the future. That is all, it was never stated that it was going to be the be-all and end-all of PI and nobody should have expected that.
It is just a little something special for subscribers and it fills that role very nicely. Would people have preferred nothing?
I see people saying that no effort was put into this ship, I fail to understand what they mean, free ships will never be powerful because then they are encroaching upon the toes of "actual" ships present and future, if the ship was so good that everyone used it...then everyone would use it and that would be just as bad.
I totally agree that we need a ship like the Primae with nice spacious holds and little twirly bits but I would really rather that it was provided through the normal means of player production than simply given to us.
However, My previous post was a little obtuse and I apologise to anyone who I may have offended, I can be a little hot-headed sometimes and all that achieves is me putting my foot in my mouth.
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Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Rain Valis
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:47:00 -
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Great so it takes slightly longer to be locked. That doesn't alter the fact that it's also useless.
Oh Im sorry, was I supposed to be defending it? I thought I was just informing someone that it actually does have a low sig.
Sheesh, talk about missing the context!
Sure its useless, I agree but what did you expect considering its free?
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Aebh
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Posted - 2010.06.29 23:09:00 -
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i can't be the only person that looks at the primae and thinks "Agamemnon". at least the front bit
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Matches 42
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Posted - 2010.06.30 00:05:00 -
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Anyone who thinks this new ship is just great, really great, than can I have all the ships in your hanger this wonderful beasty will replace.....?
-see how none of that makes sense? A big Big BIG WTF to CCP! Really guys? Really? Ya can't......you can't even reprocess the darn thing into ANYTHING!
The only bright side to this is that there is finaly something that sux vastly more than the 'rookie' death-trap and 1 frigging unit of Trit you get when you get blown to bits and pod back to station.
And when grandma sends my a little pink bathing suit, I am not ungratefull, or unkind to her....even though I am a 32 year old MALE. Do you know why? Cause grandma is C R A Z Y as bat crap, thats why. CCP isn't. This was more insulting that being given a single unit of Trit. Shame on you!
P.S. now the SP gift was awesome, thanks to the few completely NOT insane and cruel members of CCP that thought of that one. Please go beat the living daylights out of the posers that issued stats to the Hello-Kitty ORE-ship on behalf of ALL the player of this great game.
Cheers!
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Lofkin Almar
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Posted - 2010.06.30 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
My lack of mastery over the written word aside I believe the point was understood and stands. The Primae was given to us to look fancy, be approximately as useful as the previous free ships we have been given and maybe to show that a range of specialist ships with something to do with PI will be coming along in the future. That is all, it was never stated that it was going to be the be-all and end-all of PI and nobody should have expected that.
It is just a little something special for subscribers and it fills that role very nicely. Would people have preferred nothing?
I see people saying that no effort was put into this ship, I fail to understand what they mean, free ships will never be powerful because then they are encroaching upon the toes of "actual" ships present and future, if the ship was so good that everyone used it...then everyone would use it and that would be just as bad.
I totally agree that we need a ship like the Primae with nice spacious holds and little twirly bits but I would really rather that it was provided through the normal means of player production than simply given to us.
I agree completely. Granted, I was a disappointed that the ships I already had ships that did more than this one. However, I also started to get excited at the possibility of other PI ships being introduced. I think this ship, as limited as it is, is possibly CCP's way of wetting our appetite for things to come.
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Snow Banshee
Amarr Ruatha Holding
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Posted - 2010.06.30 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available. ... It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning ...
Dear Greyscale, i hope you dont mind if i quote part ( and the core) or your statement because there is a major flaw in what tou wrote:
Covert ops are quite skill intensive ships, probing need dedicated ships, cloacker T2 need skill at L5 and last "but not least" you are coparing a dedicated T2 ship with a 0 skilled gift ship.
The case of Primae its quite different because is is not just worse compared to the "best T2 trasport ship available" . It's simply worst that the worst T1 industrial ( iteron mark i (?) ). And we all know its not that long to train indutrial I. We can even create a char that can already use an industrial ship so i think so can safely say that the training time to fly a better ship is 0 . Plain and simple.
I agree when you say that its a gift so we should accept it and be grateful anyway, and so am i. But in my humble opinion that way you wasted your time designing a nice model just to trash it in the wosrt way. You worked for nothing, and even wasted a dedicated rule for a ship that could have been made worth to fly and seeded and built by players.
I dont know how do you feel when you wasted days in a job just to finish it and then your employee just trash the whole thing, but when this happens to me in my job im quite disturbed for the wasted effort i gave.
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Barga Hi'che
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Posted - 2010.06.30 06:53:00 -
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can't you make it dock with the rockets in space and haul them en masse like a tug using the left and right "wings" and the huge thing that looks like a claw underneath the front, even GSC's!!!! it's a beautiful ship and the price is perfect it just needs summink so it will be used moar.
Thanks for the freebie, sorry for the gripe
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Achmed TheDead
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Posted - 2010.06.30 07:04:00 -
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the Primae is useless over any other industrial.
cant even compair it to the zephyr, b/c it (zephyr) is actually VERY usefull for its role.
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Dr Oktober
Analogue Limited Engineering
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Posted - 2010.06.30 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available.
(Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.)
Sorry, but that's logic straight out of the "minerals I mine are free" school of philosophy.
These ships are trading for 15 Million and that's now. As they get rarer to losses as time passes they get only more valuable. Any noob flying it and gets suicide-ganked to provide someone with a rare killmail is just doing himself out of the 15+ million he could have had.
Now apply that to your "It is, however, the most cost-effective PI ship available".
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.06.30 07:25:00 -
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You get a Wreathe for free during your tutorial missions. That one has 3300 base cargo space, without skills or mods. That's 600 more than the Primae and it has no restriction on what one can put in. Most cost effective PI ship? I don't think so. -------- All I want is a better mankind.
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Aebh
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Posted - 2010.06.30 07:40:00 -
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yeah, damn, sorry you paid so much for the free ship guys.
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if you don't like it, sell it. blow it up. ram it into a sun. it's not like it costs you MONEY to have the thing sit in a hangar collecting dust and looking cool. shut yer traps already. if it helps, think of it as a spiffy shuttle.
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Dr Oktober
Analogue Limited Engineering
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Posted - 2010.06.30 07:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Oktober on 30/06/2010 07:47:02 You mean these Free Ships?
Edit:- and yes, it does cost you money to have it sat in your hanger gathering dust.
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Aebh
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Posted - 2010.06.30 07:50:00 -
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costs nothing until it comes time to liquidate it. don't start with 'opportunity cost' on a collector's item, you act as if it will depreciate in value as time wears on.
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Suicida1
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Posted - 2010.06.30 09:36:00 -
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a better solution would be to: - Seed BPO (ore stations) - add 1-2 high sltos, 2 med slots - add PI related bonuses that depend on PI skills
that way we have a nice new ORE ship
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Teinyhr
Minmatar Nor'akho Matar
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Posted - 2010.06.30 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist Wait a year and then test the bolded hypothesis. I'd be willing to wager you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Think of it less as a ship, and more as an investment. In MMOs, scarcity = value, and as time goes by, these will only become more scarce.
Apotheosis & Zephyr are worth 5-10 million. That's not a lot of ISK for someone who's been around long enough to have gotten the Apotheosis for example. They're not really that rare because nobody flies them, because they are a "kill me" sign if you take them out on lawless space and even at times in high sec. I doubt Primae will be any different, lot of people will keep them spinning in a hangar, waiting for prices to go up, which they'll never do because nobody loses them.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.06.30 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available.
(Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.)
I think you over estimate the Primae.
The Jovian shuttle is much more useful than the Primae. If you havent trained Industrial - seriously you dont care about PI at all.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Dr Oktober
Analogue Limited Engineering
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Aebh costs nothing until it comes time to liquidate it. don't start with 'opportunity cost' on a collector's item, you act as if it will depreciate in value as time wears on.
Please go back and re-read my first post. I said quiet clearly that it will go up in value.
The fact it has value, and considerable value at that, makes the whole statement of "It is, however, the most cost-effective PI ship available" complete rubbish.
Also, you seem to not understand the whole opportunity cost of not liquidating it thing. Would you like an example of how it works?
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2010.06.30 14:25:00 -
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All of the free ships we've gotten are basically rookie ship for whatever. The zephyr is a rookie exploration ship. The primae is a rookie PI ship. It is free and its to give the newbies a ship to try out stuff they have never considered with zero risk.
CCP will NEVER give out free stuff that is even comparable to the ships that people use for it at the moment. Just because the zephyr arguably has some uses (it is not 'very useful in its role') the only realistic thing to do in it is go sightseeing in WH space. Thats not exactly mind blowing.
The primae is pretty and I like it. As for usefulness, its supposed to be on a par with a rookieship, but with a PI focus. Thats it. Or should rookie ships be totally changed ?Because in like 3 days you can fly a rifter thats totally awesome, and no-one would fly an ibis because a rifter is SO much better.... That kind of rationale is bull****.
Don't you think it would be rather worse if CCP had given out FOR FREE, a ship that requires no SP, and at a stroke obsoleted every other ship for PI ? So all that training time is suddenly totally pointless because any 1 day noob can do the same as you... Think of the consequences of what you are asking for, then ask yourself if it makes more sense.
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Packrat Kuru
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:04:00 -
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Even rookie ships get bonuses. Some rudimentary bonuses to the pi cargo would make it loads better.
Not saying I don't love it. I'm floating in wormspace right now in a pos bubble cause I like it that much. It's just a missed opportunity in my opinion.
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Larsonist
Darkwave Technologies Blade.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:25:00 -
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Hi. To all those primae is useless peeps, contract your ship to me for 5 mil a pop and I'll take this useless ship off your hands. Larsonist > i still enjoyed the pew pew though, all the pos sh!t ive been doing lately had me feeling like smeagle without his precious. |
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